Is Marcus a lot more intelligent then most give him credit for?

[Taijitu]

Can anyone confirm if this contains an exact qoute from Marcus?



Marcus: You can be identical yourself, but not be yourself
Tom: What? That doesn't make any sense Marcus


If so then given the gramma used (not saying "identical to") it would mean expressing or resulting in identity.

The sentence could then be seen as meaning you could express an identity of yourself (one for show you most commonly use in a fake environment), but not be yourself (since the identity you are expressing isnt your true nature but mearly a facet of it used to diguise the whole).

I didnt see the conversation so dont know the context but it would be ironic if people who call Marcus crude (i.e. lacking in intellectual subtlety) do so partially because he is actually too subtle for them to understand.

Just a though.:bigsmile:

[InOne]

He is pretty intelligent, he just overshadows it with the way he acts. He is clearly quite switched on.

[IsleOfWeather]

gramma?



:laugh2:

[BB22]

He is obviously not educated to a particularly high level but he is definitely much more intelligent than many people on this forum give him credit for. Also, many of his observations during the course of this series, both about events in the House and the way people are perceived on the outside, have been very astute.

[Zien]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BB22]

Originally posted by Zien
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, admittedly, thinking that Charlie is his friend is kind of dumb. :whistle:

[karezza]

Marcus last night - "Conflict of the human heart is to do what is wrong when you know what's right."

Legendary Big Brother philosopher Marcus the Wise.:love:

[ElProximo]

He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

[karezza]

Originally posted by ElProximo
He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

He has a high IQ.
Lisa is a moron.

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by ElProximo
He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

He has a high IQ.
Lisa is a moron.

That isn't what Marcus says. He credits Lisa with keen perception and consistency.
Oh oh.. now what do you do?

At least I can say he gets some obvious things right once in a while.
:joker:

[Niamh.]

I think he is pretty intelligent 90% of the time but then he says something completely stupid and spoils it!!

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by ElProximo
He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

He has a high IQ.
Lisa is a moron.

How could you possibly know what his IQ is! He probably doesn't even know that himself! Most people don't!

[karezza]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by ElProximo
He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

He has a high IQ.
Lisa is a moron.

How could you possibly know what his IQ is! He probably doesn't even know that himself! Most people don't!

There IQs were measured by Big Brother.:eureka:

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
gramma?



:laugh2:

You are so mean!:tongue:

I was suggesting Marcus is bright not me!


P.S. you also overlooked I missed the t off of thought at the end.:bigsmile:

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by ElProximo
He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

He has a high IQ.
Lisa is a moron.

How could you possibly know what his IQ is! He probably doesn't even know that himself! Most people don't!

There IQs were measured by Big Brother.:eureka:

Did bb tell us their IQs? If so - what is his then?

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by ElProximo
He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

Yes indeed I think it can often be very easy for some people to have an exaggerated view of their own intelligence.

We are all only human after all not computers.

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by ElProximo
He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

He has a high IQ.
Lisa is a moron.

How could you possibly know what his IQ is! He probably doesn't even know that himself! Most people don't!

There IQs were measured by Big Brother.:eureka:

Did bb tell us their IQs? If so - what is his then?

122, Sophia had the highest and Freddie had 125 2nd highest

[karezza]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by ElProximo
He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

He has a high IQ.
Lisa is a moron.

How could you possibly know what his IQ is! He probably doesn't even know that himself! Most people don't!

There IQs were measured by Big Brother.:eureka:

Did bb tell us their IQs? If so - what is his then?

Sophia was top, followed by Freddie, followed by Marcus. Saffia was bottom & Lisa second bottom. Saffia & Lisa are morons.

[Niamh.]

anyone know what Beas IQ was?

[karezza]

Originally posted by Niamhxo
anyone know what Beas IQ was?

They haven't revealed the IQs of the newer housemates.

David's would be very low.:conf:

[Zizz6]

Originally posted by InOne
He is pretty intelligent, he just overshadows it with the way he acts. He is clearly quite switched on.

When Marcus was called into the diary room when he had an argument with Sree it became very obvious that he is not stupid, far from it.

Even in this very tense situation he defended himself very logically. With proper education he may have made a good lawyer perhaps.

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by Niamhxo
anyone know what Beas IQ was?

They haven't revealed the IQs of the newer housemates.

David's would be very low.:conf:

Yeah, I d say so! Would be curious to know Beas, she reckons she's clever but I'm not so sure she quite as clever as she thinks!!

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by BB22
He is obviously not educated to a particularly high level but he is definitely much more intelligent than many people on this forum give him credit for. Also, many of his observations during the course of this series, both about events in the House and the way people are perceived on the outside, have been very astute.

Shame he doesn't put that 'intelligence' to better use then!

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by Zizz6
Originally posted by InOne
He is pretty intelligent, he just overshadows it with the way he acts. He is clearly quite switched on.

When Marcus was called into the diary room when he had an argument with Sree it became very obvious that he is not stupid, far from it.

Even in this very tense situation he defended himself very logically. With proper education he may have made a good lawyer perhaps.

yeah, he's like "naturally clever" where as Beas cleverness was bought and paid for by mummy & daddy and it shows!!

[bansheewails]

At least Marcus tries to behave in an intelligent and logical way. Some of the rest of them seem to take pride in being stupid and not knowing anything. I hope my children never play the 'dumb' card for any reason.

:rolleyes:

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by BB22
He is obviously not educated to a particularly high level but he is definitely much more intelligent than many people on this forum give him credit for. Also, many of his observations during the course of this series, both about events in the House and the way people are perceived on the outside, have been very astute.

Shame he doesn't put that 'intelligence' to better use then!

Please can you check your inbox as I am scared now an earlier message may have been sent to the wrong person. :sad:

[scot]

I was unaware he was ever percieved/considered as not being very intelligent? He's the smartest guy in there, has been from day one.

[Taijitu]

Dont know if it is interesting but from what I remember the original IQ tests carried out in the USA seperated Italian immigrants from English speaking ones due to their lack of ability to understand instructions given to the tests.:rolleyes:

I know IQ tests have come a long way there but sometimes do wonder what being able to fit a triangle in a box a certain way round or finding a missing number in a sequence can mean to life's challenges. In fact a true genius would probably think stuff up the examiner doesnt ever recognise as being a potential "right answer".

Always wondered how a person could ever be able to work out if he spoke to the most intelligent how intelligent that person was without being on the same level.

But then I am sad and think about stuff like that WAY too much.:bigsmile:

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by scot
I was unaware he was ever percieved/considered as not being very intelligent? He's the smartest guy in there, has been from day one.

If the IQ levels given on the forum are correct - then he is not the most intelligent - Freddie was most intelligent of the males! A female (Sophia) was the most intelligent of the bunch!

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by scot
I was unaware he was ever percieved/considered as not being very intelligent? He's the smartest guy in there, has been from day one.

Dont know I started taking an interest after I saw Bea and Kenneth in the garden and was too facinated by Bea to notice Marcus.

He came over as a bit dumb at the time to me and thought that quite a few folk had that impression of him.

[karezza]

Sophia, Freddie & Marcus scored about 130.

Lisa & Saffia scored about 50.

Noirin scored 80.

The others were about average - between 90 &100.

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by scot
I was unaware he was ever percieved/considered as not being very intelligent? He's the smartest guy in there, has been from day one.

If the IQ levels given on the forum are correct - then he is not the most intelligent - Freddie was most intelligent of the males! A female (Sophia) was the most intelligent of the bunch!

Do you really feel IQ tests are a very good indication of different types of intelligence?

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by karezza
Sophia, Freddie & Marcus scored about 130.

Lisa & Saffia scored about 50.

Noirin scored 80.

The others were about average - between 90 &100.


My ex had higher then all of them and she went out with me!

I think that proves how much they tell you.:laugh3:

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by karezza
Sophia, Freddie & Marcus scored about 130.

Lisa & Saffia scored about 50.

Noirin scored 80.

The others were about average - between 90 &100.

I'm sorry - but they don't sound right to me!

80 is a low score - about equal with someone with downs syndrome! I don't believe Noirin was only 80!

And 50 - that is too low - my understanding is that 50 would be backward! Lisa is actually quite sharp - no way is she 50!

[RCW1945]

Bans
"Some of the rest of them seem to take pride in being stupid and not knowing anything. "
I really don't think they have any choice, it's a natural gift!

[bansheewails]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by scot
I was unaware he was ever percieved/considered as not being very intelligent? He's the smartest guy in there, has been from day one.

If the IQ levels given on the forum are correct - then he is not the most intelligent - Freddie was most intelligent of the males! A female (Sophia) was the most intelligent of the bunch!

Do you really feel IQ tests are a very good indication of different types of intelligence?

IQ tests just measure logical thought processes. You can teach yourself to be more intelligent (if that makes sense!) by repeatly doing the tests you can up your score. I think there are other types of tests to measure different thought processes.

[bansheewails]

Originally posted by RCW1945
Bans
"Some of the rest of them seem to take pride in being stupid and not knowing anything. "
I really don't think they have any choice, it's a natural gift!

I know Charlie is more intelligent than he pretends to be, therefore he is dumbing down to appear approachable and get the 'aw a dimwit' vote! He takes pride in 'appearing to be' stupid, and it is irriatting!

:hugesmile:

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by karezza
Sophia, Freddie & Marcus scored about 130.

Lisa & Saffia scored about 50.

Noirin scored 80.

The others were about average - between 90 &100.

I'm sorry - but they don't sound right to me!

80 is a low score - about equal with someone with downs syndrome! I don't believe Noirin was only 80!

And 50 - that is too low - my understanding is that 50 would be backward! Lisa is actually quite sharp - no way is she 50!

128 Sophia
125 Freddie
122 Marcus
99 Siavash
97 Charlie
94 Angel
92 Kris
92 Cairon
80 Noirin
89 Rodrigo
79 Karly
74 Sree
69 Saffia
60 Sophie
55 Lisa

[scot]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by scot
I was unaware he was ever percieved/considered as not being very intelligent? He's the smartest guy in there, has been from day one.

If the IQ levels given on the forum are correct - then he is not the most intelligent - Freddie was most intelligent of the males! A female (Sophia) was the most intelligent of the bunch!


The validity of IQ tests are notoriously debatable with many beileving that they are culturally weighted in favour of the communities who design and construct them i.e. well educated middle class academics and etc.

That said, if we are to go with the BB IQs then i think that Fred and Marcus where serperated by a couple of points at(if my memory serves me)123 and 125.

With the scores being so close it could be put down to performance on the day.

I think we should take the BB scores with a very sceptical pinch of salt though as many of the house mates were given IQs that actually are more consistent with being very mentally challanged. I think Lisa got 55!!! I think it's probable that it would be very difficult to function in society with an IQ of less than 75(again i think quite a few of the HM had IQs lower than or around this mark)

Anyway even if Fred has a higher IQ then marcus, Fred lacked the ability to mix sucessfully with the rest of the house. Probably due to thje fact that the environment of Statley homes, boarding schools, and oxbridge whilst perhaps engendering high IQs leaves one unable to 'get on with' others from mixed socio economic groups.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Can anyone confirm if this contains an exact qoute from Marcus?



Marcus: You can be identical yourself, but not be yourself
Tom: What? That doesn't make any sense Marcus


If so then given the gramma used (not saying "identical to") it would mean expressing or resulting in identity.

The sentence could then be seen as meaning you could express an identity of yourself (one for show you most commonly use in a fake environment), but not be yourself (since the identity you are expressing isnt your true nature but mearly a facet of it used to diguise the whole).

I didnt see the conversation so dont know the context but it would be ironic if people who call Marcus crude (i.e. lacking in intellectual subtlety) do so partially because he is actually too subtle for them to understand.

Just a though.:bigsmile:

Back to OP. Marcus is of course wrong. It is not possible to not BE yourself. You can pretend not to be yourself but that is another thing all together.

Nevertheless, yes Marcus has a high Intelligence Quotient which he uses exclusively for his own advantage. His low Emotional Quotient allows him to do this without compunction for the harm he inflicts on others.

You can't blame him for this, after all, he cannot help BEING himself. He CAN pretend to be other than himself, as he has done when he has led Siavash, Freddie and Bea to believe that he is their friend.

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by bansheewails
Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by scot
I was unaware he was ever percieved/considered as not being very intelligent? He's the smartest guy in there, has been from day one.

If the IQ levels given on the forum are correct - then he is not the most intelligent - Freddie was most intelligent of the males! A female (Sophia) was the most intelligent of the bunch!

Do you really feel IQ tests are a very good indication of different types of intelligence?

IQ tests just measure logical thought processes. You can teach yourself to be more intelligent (if that makes sense!) by repeatly doing the tests you can up your score. I think there are other types of tests to measure different thought processes.

For me Psychology had some amizing tests that could change ones whole view on social interaction but IQ tests always stuck me as an aweful way to go about it.

How well a person does in a test can depend on what food they ate that morning or what mood they are in.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by bansheewails
Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by scot
I was unaware he was ever percieved/considered as not being very intelligent? He's the smartest guy in there, has been from day one.

If the IQ levels given on the forum are correct - then he is not the most intelligent - Freddie was most intelligent of the males! A female (Sophia) was the most intelligent of the bunch!

Do you really feel IQ tests are a very good indication of different types of intelligence?

IQ tests just measure logical thought processes. You can teach yourself to be more intelligent (if that makes sense!) by repeatly doing the tests you can up your score. I think there are other types of tests to measure different thought processes.

Oh I know that - which may explain Freddie's high score - as he had the best education money can buy and may well have had many 'practice' IQ tests!

But if people want to judge it on behaviour - then Marcus doesn't do very well does he! He has been one of the most immature in there with all his childish stunts etc - so in the end I guess people will use whatever type of measure they see fit to show their favourite in a positive light!

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by Taijitu
Can anyone confirm if this contains an exact qoute from Marcus?



Marcus: You can be identical yourself, but not be yourself
Tom: What? That doesn't make any sense Marcus


If so then given the gramma used (not saying "identical to") it would mean expressing or resulting in identity.

The sentence could then be seen as meaning you could express an identity of yourself (one for show you most commonly use in a fake environment), but not be yourself (since the identity you are expressing isnt your true nature but mearly a facet of it used to diguise the whole).

I didnt see the conversation so dont know the context but it would be ironic if people who call Marcus crude (i.e. lacking in intellectual subtlety) do so partially because he is actually too subtle for them to understand.

Just a though.:bigsmile:

Back to OP. Marcus is of course wrong. It is not possible to not BE yourself. You can pretend not to be yourself but that is another thing all together.

Nevertheless, yes Marcus has a high Intelligence Quotient which he uses exclusively for his own advantage. His low Emotional Quotient allows him to do this without compunction for the harm he inflicts on others.

You can't blame him for this, after all, he cannot help BEING himself. He CAN pretend to be other than himself, as he has done when he has led Siavash, Freddie and Bea to believe that he is their friend.

Unless I set it out wrongly I thought I was saying that he didnt suggest that it was possible to not BE yourself.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by karezza
Sophia, Freddie & Marcus scored about 130.

Lisa & Saffia scored about 50.

Noirin scored 80.

The others were about average - between 90 &100.


My ex had higher then all of them and she went out with me!

I think that proves how much they tell you.:laugh3:

Hmmmm, past tense... WENT out with you, perhaps THIS tells you something of her high IQ? Obviously pretty low really, if she let you go! :kiss:

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by bansheewails
Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by scot
I was unaware he was ever percieved/considered as not being very intelligent? He's the smartest guy in there, has been from day one.

If the IQ levels given on the forum are correct - then he is not the most intelligent - Freddie was most intelligent of the males! A female (Sophia) was the most intelligent of the bunch!

Do you really feel IQ tests are a very good indication of different types of intelligence?

IQ tests just measure logical thought processes. You can teach yourself to be more intelligent (if that makes sense!) by repeatly doing the tests you can up your score. I think there are other types of tests to measure different thought processes.

Oh I know that - which may explain Freddie's high score - as he had the best education money can buy and may well have had many 'practice' IQ tests!

But if people want to judge it on behaviour - then Marcus doesn't do very well does he! He has been one of the most immature in there with all his childish stunts etc - so in the end I guess people will use whatever type of measure they see fit to show their favourite in a positive light!

He saw out the race issue which others havent before. Survived acting like a complete moron with Noirin and seen out one of the favourites in the house (with the help of Noirin).

He will not lose this weeks eviction and given the aim of the game seems to me to being doing very well indeed to be honest.

Edit: Anyhow the Edinburgh festival is on and Im missing it so tata.:xyxwave:

[scot]

we need to seriuosly dismiss those BB IQ scores.

IQ scores are calibrated so that the 'average' score of a population will always be 100. these scores are suggesting that many of the HMs are thick(for want of a better word)beyond imagination.

[scot]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
!

But if people want to judge it on behaviour - then Marcus doesn't do very well does he! He has been one of the most immature in there with all his childish stunts etc - so in the end I guess people will use whatever type of measure they see fit to show their favourite in a positive light!


I think this is where Marcus has shown he has supreme intelligence and insight. It has been exactly this kind of 'immature behaviour' that has endeared him to many and taken him so far. Never forget this is a game show and airtime and creating a compelling persona are paramount to success. Marcus has fully grasped that and has indeed created a compelling persona. Marcus has to a large extent dominated BB10.

[bansheewails]

Take for example a tribe that has lived in the Amazon all their lives. They would score low on an IQ test because of lack of education. But they survive hostile environment, can feed and cloth temselves, know where to look for water. While we would probably die within a few days of arriving, (until we took Ray Myers in oursuitcase which would be cheating). There are lots of different types of intelligence, the western world put too much emphasis on 'BOOK' intelligence.

[J-Rock]

Just for the record an IQ of 120-129 is considered 'superior' IQ. The average is indeed 100. Tests can vary and we cannot be sure how accurate BB tests were, but given they employ 'psychologists' I would have thought they would give a good indication.

Look, aswell as being both very funny when he wants to be and quite dull at other times (e.g. Noirin phase, duvet hugging), Marcus is intelligent. There is no doubt.

He is playing the game for all it's worth. Remember he calls himself the Irrepressible Dark Horse and in life he is probably what many would consider to be an underdog (background etc.), yet seems to be able to come through adversity (very strong and streetwise person). He is also very manipulative when he wants to be, yet can be kind and helpful (e.g. emotional support for Freddie and even Bea!).

I think he is quite a multiplex character, like Freddie, and it is only these two HMs, with their mix of intelligence, humour, charisma and immaturity (leading to some legendary moments), that have MADE BB10.

[scot]

Originally posted by J-Rock
Just for the record an IQ of 120-129 is considered 'superior' IQ. The average is indeed 100. Tests can vary and we cannot be sure how accurate BB tests were, but given they employ 'psychologists' I would have thought they would give a good indication.

Look, aswell as being both very funny when he wants to be and quite dull at other times (e.g. Noirin phase, duvet hugging), Marcus is intelligent. There is no doubt.

He is playing the game for all it's worth. Remember he calls himself the Irrepressible Dark Horse and in life he is probably what many would consider to be an underdog (background etc.), yet seems to be able to come through adversity (very strong and streetwise person). He is also very manipulative when he wants to be, yet can be kind and helpful (e.g. emotional support for Freddie and even Bea!).

I think he is quite a multiplex character, like Freddie, and it is only these two HMs, with their mix of intelligence, humour, charisma and immaturity (leading to some legendary moments), that have MADE BB10.

agreed with every point made. :thumbs:

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by J-Rock
Just for the record an IQ of 120-129 is considered 'superior' IQ. The average is indeed 100. Tests can vary and we cannot be sure how accurate BB tests were, but given they employ 'psychologists' I would have thought they would give a good indication.

Look, aswell as being both very funny when he wants to be and quite dull at other times (e.g. Noirin phase, duvet hugging), Marcus is intelligent. There is no doubt.

He is playing the game for all it's worth. Remember he calls himself the Irrepressible Dark Horse and in life he is probably what many would consider to be an underdog (background etc.), yet seems to be able to come through adversity (very strong and streetwise person). He is also very manipulative when he wants to be, yet can be kind and helpful (e.g. emotional support for Freddie and even Bea!).

I think he is quite a multiplex character, like Freddie, and it is only these two HMs, with their mix of intelligence, humour, charisma and immaturity (leading to some legendary moments), that have MADE BB10.

agreed with every point made. :thumbs:

Those scores are not right!

Although not generally a bright bunch - anything below 70 is mentally retarded! Lisa cannot be 55 - that is ridiculous!

[DrTheKay]

I wouldnt say he is intelligent, I just believe (as I had done since the Sree incident) that Marcus has the ability to put into words what others are unable to say.

[BB22]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by J-Rock
Just for the record an IQ of 120-129 is considered 'superior' IQ. The average is indeed 100. Tests can vary and we cannot be sure how accurate BB tests were, but given they employ 'psychologists' I would have thought they would give a good indication.

Look, aswell as being both very funny when he wants to be and quite dull at other times (e.g. Noirin phase, duvet hugging), Marcus is intelligent. There is no doubt.

He is playing the game for all it's worth. Remember he calls himself the Irrepressible Dark Horse and in life he is probably what many would consider to be an underdog (background etc.), yet seems to be able to come through adversity (very strong and streetwise person). He is also very manipulative when he wants to be, yet can be kind and helpful (e.g. emotional support for Freddie and even Bea!).

I think he is quite a multiplex character, like Freddie, and it is only these two HMs, with their mix of intelligence, humour, charisma and immaturity (leading to some legendary moments), that have MADE BB10.

agreed with every point made. :thumbs:

Those scores are not right!

Although not generally a bright bunch - anything below 70 is mentally retarded! Lisa cannot be 55 - that is ridiculous!

A quick google search discovers this:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1047547

Assuming that it has reported BBLB correctly, and I have no reason to doubt it, then those were the figures given.

[BB22]

On an added note, an IQ of 55 places a person in the category "mild mental disability".

Also, we should keep in mind that we do not know the conditions of the tests carried out, nor if multiple tests were carried out to give a more accurate reading, and we should remember that all such measurements have standard deviations.

[scot]

i agree that the BB IQs are no way to be trusted...anything below 80 has got to be very questionable and a score of 55 is just nonsense!!! :shocked:

[J-Rock]

Actually, 'mental retardation' is not defined so rigidly and usually involves other scales (e.g. adaptive scales) before a diagnosis is made:

Based just on IQ, the following would apply:

Class IQ
Profound mental retardation Below 20
Severe mental retardation 20–34
Moderate mental retardation 35–49
Mild mental retardation 50–69
Borderline intellectual functioning 70–79

So Lisa only has 'mild' mental retardation (haha).

I'm clever aren't I??

(Just copied it from text on retardation) :cheer2:

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by BB22
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by J-Rock
Just for the record an IQ of 120-129 is considered 'superior' IQ. The average is indeed 100. Tests can vary and we cannot be sure how accurate BB tests were, but given they employ 'psychologists' I would have thought they would give a good indication.

Look, aswell as being both very funny when he wants to be and quite dull at other times (e.g. Noirin phase, duvet hugging), Marcus is intelligent. There is no doubt.

He is playing the game for all it's worth. Remember he calls himself the Irrepressible Dark Horse and in life he is probably what many would consider to be an underdog (background etc.), yet seems to be able to come through adversity (very strong and streetwise person). He is also very manipulative when he wants to be, yet can be kind and helpful (e.g. emotional support for Freddie and even Bea!).

I think he is quite a multiplex character, like Freddie, and it is only these two HMs, with their mix of intelligence, humour, charisma and immaturity (leading to some legendary moments), that have MADE BB10.

agreed with every point made. :thumbs:

Those scores are not right!

Although not generally a bright bunch - anything below 70 is mentally retarded! Lisa cannot be 55 - that is ridiculous!

A quick google search discovers this:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1047547

Assuming that it has reported BBLB correctly, and I have no reason to doubt it, then those were the figures given.

Thanks for that!

Those were obviously the figures given - but I still doubt the the legitamacy of them! They can't be a normal, standard IQ test - maybe they are bb's own type of test - not connected to the standard IQ test!

All seems rather odd!

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by Taijitu



Marcus: You can be identical yourself, but not be yourself
Tom: What? That doesn't make any sense Marcus


Unless I set it out wrongly I thought I was saying that he didnt suggest that it was possible to not BE yourself.

How you set it out is immaterial. Marcus's quote demonstrates his confusion about an ability to not be yourself. (Contrary to his claim you can't not be yourself. Whatever you do, you will be yourself.)

[setanta]

I wouldn't place much faith in the iq tests and results to be honest with you, especially after witnessing Marcus' pathetic attempt at the word game. 18 words with B? That doesn't seem right to me if he possesses a superior intellect, as the test results would suggest.

[scot]

for what it's worth:

Low IQ & Mental Retardation

5% of people have an IQ under 70 and this is generally considered as the benchmark for "mental retardation", a condition of limited mental ability in that it produces difficulty in adapting to the demands of life.

Severity of mental retardation can be broken into 4 levels:

50-70 - Mild mental retardation (85%)

35-50 - Moderate mental retardation (10%)

20-35 - Severe mental retardation (4%)

IQ < 20 - Profound mental retardation (1%)


from the link:

http://wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by setanta
I wouldn't place much faith in the iq tests and results to be honest with you, especially after witnessing Marcus' pathetic attempt at the word game. 18 words with B? That doesn't seem right to me if he possesses a superior intellect, as the test results would suggest.

Properly conducted IQ tests do everything possible to remove any stress or pressure. The BB House aims to accentuate stress and pressure as this enhances the entertainment value. How Marcus responded in the word task is not significant.

[charliecharles]

''Marcus: You can be identical yourself, but not be yourself
Tom: What? That doesn't make any sense Marcus''

It lacks a coherent meaning and suggests to me Marcus hasn't studied Philosophy, Psychology or English.

Had Tom replied Marcus are you seeking to comment on Satres idea of the 'false self' I doubt he would have known what to say.

IQ to a degree measure a persons ability to do IQ tests and think rationally, he may have an average 'intelligence' but to say he was an eduicated chap would be a long shot.

[scot]

Originally posted by setanta
I wouldn't place much faith in the iq tests and results to be honest with you, especially after witnessing Marcus' pathetic attempt at the word game. 18 words with B? That doesn't seem right to me if he possesses a superior intellect, as the test results would suggest.

it is these kinds of tests that have discredited IQ tests in that they are culturally balanced in favour of people who have high cultural capital i.e. people from advantaged socio economic backgrounds who have access to better education and parents who encourage learning and etc

that kind of test measures 'knowledge' not 'intelligence' the two, though linked, are quite seperate.

[setanta]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by setanta
I wouldn't place much faith in the iq tests and results to be honest with you, especially after witnessing Marcus' pathetic attempt at the word game. 18 words with B? That doesn't seem right to me if he possesses a superior intellect, as the test results would suggest.

Properly conducted IQ tests do everything possible to remove any stress or pressure. The BB House aims to accentuate stress and pressure as this enhances the entertainment value. How Marcus responded in the word task is not significant.

Didn't seem too stressed to me to tell you the truth.

[WOMBAI]

Grade Range Percent
Genius 144 0.13%
Gifted 130-144 2.14%
Above average 115-129 13.59%
Higher average 100-114 34.13%
Lower average 85-99 34.13%
Below average 70-84 13.59%
Borderline low 55-69 2.14%
Low <55 0.13%

Got these IQ categories off the net! Not sure of accuracy!

[setanta]

Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by setanta
I wouldn't place much faith in the iq tests and results to be honest with you, especially after witnessing Marcus' pathetic attempt at the word game. 18 words with B? That doesn't seem right to me if he possesses a superior intellect, as the test results would suggest.

it is these kinds of tests that have discredited IQ tests in that they are culturally balanced in favour of people who have high cultural capital i.e. people from advantaged socio economic backgrounds who have access to better education and parents who encourage learning and etc

that kind of test measures 'knowledge' not 'intelligence' the two, though linked, are quite seperate.

I agree with what you're saying, but from listening to Marcus over the weeks it seems perfectly reasonable to assume he'd fair better than that, especially when he seems to have a fairly good command over the english language.

[scot]

Originally posted by charliecharles
''Marcus: You can be identical yourself, but not be yourself
Tom: What? That doesn't make any sense Marcus''

It lacks a coherent meaning and suggests to me Marcus hasn't studied Philosophy, Psychology or English.

Had Tom replied Marcus are you seeking to comment on Satres idea of the 'false self' I doubt he would have known what to say.

IQ to a degree measure a persons ability to do IQ tests and think rationally, he may have an average 'intelligence' but to say he was an eduicated chap would be a long shot.

No, in fact Marcus, though not an academic, was articulating an existentialist concept of 'the self'. Marcus may not have heard of Satre but that makes his 'awareness' (undeveloped as it may be) all the more impressive. If Marcus had had all the advantages in life as Satre and other 'academics' who knows?

Satre - 'hell is other people'...a rather fitting quote re BB house!

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by setanta
I wouldn't place much faith in the iq tests and results to be honest with you, especially after witnessing Marcus' pathetic attempt at the word game. 18 words with B? That doesn't seem right to me if he possesses a superior intellect, as the test results would suggest.

it is these kinds of tests that have discredited IQ tests in that they are culturally balanced in favour of people who have high cultural capital i.e. people from advantaged socio economic backgrounds who have access to better education and parents who encourage learning and etc

that kind of test measures 'knowledge' not 'intelligence' the two, though linked, are quite seperate.

I agree with what you're saying, but from listening to Marcus over the weeks it seems perfectly reasonable to assume he'd fair better than that, especially when he seems to have a fairly good command over the english language.

fairly good command over the english language? ("and fings like vat" and "blah, blah, blah"). Pity he keeps switching his brain off, perhaps it's too much effort.

[setanta]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by setanta
I wouldn't place much faith in the iq tests and results to be honest with you, especially after witnessing Marcus' pathetic attempt at the word game. 18 words with B? That doesn't seem right to me if he possesses a superior intellect, as the test results would suggest.

it is these kinds of tests that have discredited IQ tests in that they are culturally balanced in favour of people who have high cultural capital i.e. people from advantaged socio economic backgrounds who have access to better education and parents who encourage learning and etc

that kind of test measures 'knowledge' not 'intelligence' the two, though linked, are quite seperate.

I agree with what you're saying, but from listening to Marcus over the weeks it seems perfectly reasonable to assume he'd fair better than that, especially when he seems to have a fairly good command over the english language.

fairly good command over the english language? ("and fings like vat" and "blah, blah, blah"). Pity he keeps switching his brain off, perhaps it's too much effort.

Of course he does; his legendary diary room rants are proof. That's what makes his 18 words so pitiful.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by J-Rock
Actually, 'mental retardation' is not defined so rigidly and usually involves other scales (e.g. adaptive scales) before a diagnosis is made:

Based just on IQ, the following would apply:

Class IQ
Profound mental retardation Below 20
Severe mental retardation 20–34
Moderate mental retardation 35–49
Mild mental retardation 50–69
Borderline intellectual functioning 70–79

So Lisa only has 'mild' mental retardation (haha).

I'm clever aren't I??

(Just copied it from text on retardation) :cheer2:

According to that - Lisa and Sophie have 'mild' mental retardation!

I don't buy that - not with either - but particularly not with Lisa!

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by J-Rock
Actually, 'mental retardation' is not defined so rigidly and usually involves other scales (e.g. adaptive scales) before a diagnosis is made:

Based just on IQ, the following would apply:

Class IQ
Profound mental retardation Below 20
Severe mental retardation 20–34
Moderate mental retardation 35–49
Mild mental retardation 50–69
Borderline intellectual functioning 70–79

So Lisa only has 'mild' mental retardation (haha).

I'm clever aren't I??

(Just copied it from text on retardation) :cheer2:

According to that - Lisa and Sophie have 'mild' mental retardation!

I don't buy that - not with either - but particularly not with Lisa!

Sophie did think that cans of Tuna that did not have "dolphin Friendly" printed on it had Dolphin meat in it!!

[setanta]

Originally posted by Niamhxo
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by J-Rock
Actually, 'mental retardation' is not defined so rigidly and usually involves other scales (e.g. adaptive scales) before a diagnosis is made:

Based just on IQ, the following would apply:

Class IQ
Profound mental retardation Below 20
Severe mental retardation 20–34
Moderate mental retardation 35–49
Mild mental retardation 50–69
Borderline intellectual functioning 70–79

So Lisa only has 'mild' mental retardation (haha).

I'm clever aren't I??

(Just copied it from text on retardation) :cheer2:

According to that - Lisa and Sophie have 'mild' mental retardation!

I don't buy that - not with either - but particularly not with Lisa!

Sophie did think that cans of Tuna that did not have "dolphin Friendly" printed on it had Dolphin meat in it!!

You're joking right?

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by Niamhxo
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by J-Rock
Actually, 'mental retardation' is not defined so rigidly and usually involves other scales (e.g. adaptive scales) before a diagnosis is made:

Based just on IQ, the following would apply:

Class IQ
Profound mental retardation Below 20
Severe mental retardation 20–34
Moderate mental retardation 35–49
Mild mental retardation 50–69
Borderline intellectual functioning 70–79

So Lisa only has 'mild' mental retardation (haha).

I'm clever aren't I??

(Just copied it from text on retardation) :cheer2:

According to that - Lisa and Sophie have 'mild' mental retardation!

I don't buy that - not with either - but particularly not with Lisa!

Sophie did think that cans of Tuna that did not have "dolphin Friendly" printed on it had Dolphin meat in it!!

You're joking right?

No.

[Irishguy16]

My opinion on it is that he's very intelligent in the sense that he's a good judge of character and that he's always very aware of people and what they're thinking.

He's emotionally retarded, though.


ALSO, there is no need to quote EVERYTHING so stop, it's just annoying.

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by Irishguy16
My opinion on it is that he's very intelligent in the sense that he's a good judge of character and that he's always very aware of people and what they're thinking.

He's emotionally retarded, though.


ALSO, there is no need to quote EVERYTHING so stop, it's just annoying.

bossy boots!!

[setanta]

Originally posted by Niamhxo
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by Niamhxo
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by J-Rock
Actually, 'mental retardation' is not defined so rigidly and usually involves other scales (e.g. adaptive scales) before a diagnosis is made:

Based just on IQ, the following would apply:

Class IQ
Profound mental retardation Below 20
Severe mental retardation 20–34
Moderate mental retardation 35–49
Mild mental retardation 50–69
Borderline intellectual functioning 70–79

So Lisa only has 'mild' mental retardation (haha).

I'm clever aren't I??

(Just copied it from text on retardation) :cheer2:

According to that - Lisa and Sophie have 'mild' mental retardation!

I don't buy that - not with either - but particularly not with Lisa!

Sophie did think that cans of Tuna that did not have "dolphin Friendly" printed on it had Dolphin meat in it!!

You're joking right?

No.

Maybe she is smarter than we think: laying claim that we all have Dolphin meat and blood on our hands when we choose to eat from cans that aren't Dolphin friendly. Very profound use of language to highlight our own culpability. Well played Sophie lol

[Niamh.]

You're joking right? [/quote]

No. [/quote]

Maybe she is smarter than we think: laying claim that we all have Dolphin meat and blood on our hands when we choose to eat from cans that aren't Dolphin friendly. Very profound use of language to highlight our own culpability. Well played Sophie lol [/quote]

Maybe..................:laugh2:

[Irishguy16]

Noobs.

[Niamh.]

Oh yeah, in the same conversation she said that Sharks only try and kill people cos they think we are sea-horses

[setanta]

Originally posted by Niamhxo
Oh yeah, in the same conversation she said that Sharks only try and kill people cos they think we are sea-horses

Ah, you're just making stuff up now.

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by Niamhxo
Oh yeah, in the same conversation she said that Sharks only try and kill people cos they think we are sea-horses

Ah, you're just making stuff up now.

I'm not.

[setanta]

Originally posted by Niamhxo
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by Niamhxo
Oh yeah, in the same conversation she said that Sharks only try and kill people cos they think we are sea-horses

Ah, you're just making stuff up now.

I'm not.

Does she even know what sea-horses are and what size they are in relation to sharks? It's a real Father Ted moment here..... these are near, those are far away. lol

[Niamh.]

Does she even know what sea-horses are and what size they are in relation to sharks? It's a real Father Ted moment here..... these are near, those are far away. lol [/quote]

haha, Dougal rocks , Sophie is the new Dougal!! Eamon.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by Niamhxo
Oh yeah, in the same conversation she said that Sharks only try and kill people cos they think we are sea-horses

Ah, you're just making stuff up now.

She is actually not that far off!

Sharks often mistake people for seals - and that is why they attack them!

[setanta]

Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by Niamhxo
Oh yeah, in the same conversation she said that Sharks only try and kill people cos they think we are sea-horses

Ah, you're just making stuff up now.

She is actually not that far off!

Sharks often mistake people for seals - and that is why they attack them!

Yes, we're all aware of that professor. That's what makes it funnier. She must think sea-horses are fecking huge or something.

[Niamh.]

She is actually not that far off!

Sharks often mistake people for seals - and that is why they attack them! [/quote]

How do they know that the shark thought the person was a seal though?? Did he have a munch and then say, "Oh, Sorry about that sir, Could have sworn you were a seal there!!" hehhehehehe

[setanta]

Originally posted by Niamhxo
She is actually not that far off!

Sharks often mistake people for seals - and that is why they attack them!

How do they know that the shark thought the person was a seal though?? Did he have a munch and then say, "Oh, Sorry about that sir, Could have sworn you were a seal there!!" hehhehehehe [/quote]

That actually does happen..... they have a nibble on humans becuz they're similar in shape and size to seals and then let go when they realise there's no good eating in us. Alot of shark attacks never end up being fatal because it's just a case of mistaken identity.

[Niamh.]

That actually does happen..... they have a nibble on humans becuz they're similar in shape and size to seals and then let go when they realise there's no good eating in us. Alot of shark attacks never end up being fatal because it's just a case of mistaken identity. [/quote]

Are we not as tasty as seals then or are they being racist???

[scot]

Originally posted by Niamhxo
That actually does happen..... they have a nibble on humans becuz they're similar in shape and size to seals and then let go when they realise there's no good eating in us. Alot of shark attacks never end up being fatal because it's just a case of mistaken identity.

Are we not as tasty as seals then or are they being racist??? [/quote]

no, but they are defo being speciesist

[setanta]

Originally posted by Niamhxo
That actually does happen..... they have a nibble on humans becuz they're similar in shape and size to seals and then let go when they realise there's no good eating in us. Alot of shark attacks never end up being fatal because it's just a case of mistaken identity.

Are we not as tasty as seals then or are they being racist??? [/quote]

Lol, no we're not..... too much bone and cartilage for their tastes. They love their fatty little seals. Maybe that's why they love American waters- more chance there of grabbing a tubby swimmer hee hee.

[Niamh.]

Lol, no we're not..... too much bone and cartilage for their tastes. They love their fatty little seals. Maybe that's why they love American waters- more chance there of grabbing a tubby swimmer hee hee. [/quote]

:laugh2::laugh2:

[Niamh.]

Are we not as tasty as seals then or are they being racist??? [/quote]

no, but they are defo being speciesist [/quote]

Feckin' speciesist sharks!!

[jimmymckooel]

I thought it was Marcus who came first on the IQ tests in BBLB and Freddy 2nd. I mind that sophia scored highly too.

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by jimmymckooel
I thought it was Marcus who came first on the IQ tests in BBLB and Freddy 2nd. I mind that sophia scored highly too.

no, I'm pretty sure it was Sophia then Freddie the Marcus

[HalfwitFTW]

He is the most intelligent housemate in there. Very switched on, and very aware. I think he lacks emotional intelligence though

[loverlane]

Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by VOICEOFREASON
Originally posted by karezza
Originally posted by ElProximo
He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

He has a high IQ.
Lisa is a moron.

How could you possibly know what his IQ is! He probably doesn't even know that himself! Most people don't!

There IQs were measured by Big Brother.:eureka: And were broadcast on BBLB a few weeks ago.

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by Taijitu



Marcus: You can be identical yourself, but not be yourself
Tom: What? That doesn't make any sense Marcus


Unless I set it out wrongly I thought I was saying that he didnt suggest that it was possible to not BE yourself.

How you set it out is immaterial. Marcus's quote demonstrates his confusion about an ability to not be yourself. (Contrary to his claim you can't not be yourself. Whatever you do, you will be yourself.)

Ill try one time to explain what I ment by the first post.

When you go to work you put on a persona. It isnt fake as such because it is indeed us as we need to be in that situation. We are still ourselves but we are displaying an identity that only represents one fecet of ourselves. It isnt the whole.

We are rearly in our "true" full nature though Marcus seems to have recently been caught pretty close to it.:bigsmile:

Imagine how Bea would have reacted if it had been her caught. I think it would have been a very different situation as she is very conscious of only displaying facets of her nature rather then the whole.

I take what Marcus said to mean that while you can be creating a one faceted image of oneself you are not actually being yourself as a whole (obviously pedantically one can only be oneself but that is being unnecessarily obtuse).

Throughout the show Marcus has been very careful to try to display his most vulnarable side as much as possible and in doing so is the least vulnarable when an "image" is cut through.

Bea targeted vulnarable house mates who had round themselves images which much have taken years to build (Freddie and Kenneth) and I believe that is why they were effected so badly when she stripped them of it.

Bea herself has now, to my mind, lost momentum as the rest of the house mates are far more self assured. Ironically I think the effect of the housemates laughing at her effected her so much because her image (that of a rational minded victim always able to keep carm and agrue her way out) was destroyed, all be it completely unintentionally.

This at least is what I take from Marcus' statement and the meaning of it is far more important to me then pedantics.

Anyway thanks for all the interesting posts! It has been fun reading them.:cheer::elephant::cheer:

Edited: For clumsiness in first posting.

[Taijitu]

And shamelessly bumped as it just took me ages to write that and it is about to be drowned.:tongue: