So why didn't Siavash request everyone to nominate him, like Marcus did in the past?

[AhmedFan2004]

If he really doesn't want a free ride and is wanting to go up, then why didn't he just ask everyone to nom him, like Marcus did in the past, thus ensure a Marcus vs Siavash eviction. He told Charlie that he didn't want this because it would be Marcus vs Siavash. Why not this scenario then?

Going by what Siavash CALCULATED IN HIS MIND, not nomming David ensured a likely 3-way, putting himself up with Marcus and David. This scenario seems fine to him! By doing this, both himself and David would have 3 noms each. It turned out he made an error RE Rodrigo in the end.

My only logical conclusion is that he's happy with a likely 3-way eviction, but NOT happy with a 2-way eviction. LOOK HEROIC FOR NOT NOMINATING THUS PUTTING HIMSELF UP + 3-WAY EVICTION WITH UNPOPULAR DAVID = TOP RESULT! :eureka:

He admitted a risk of a 2-way eviction, it was a risk he was willing to take. Playing the 'heroic' card. Also he would look BAD if he tactically tried to ensure a David vs Marcus eviction; contradicting his 'I want to be up, 'No Free Rides', 'Anti-Scheming' ethos. So this wasn't a good option RE public image!

Why else not ENSURE a 2-way eviction by asking others to nom him like Marcus had done the past 3 weeks, if he wants to go up THAT much? :whistle:


FULL SCHEMING EXPLANATION: thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=143725

Evict Siavash this Tuesday! Charlie/Lisa votes will split and he could go! :thumbs:

[AhmedFan2004]

Thoughts guys? It's the biggest Q IMO. Why not ensure a 2-way eviction by requesting people to nominate him, as per Marcus? Must be scheming, surely.

[GypsyGoth]

Cause everyone would have just picked Marcus and him.

So maybe Siavash thought that might be unfair on Marcus.

[Tom4784]

He doesn't really wanna go, he just wants to play the hero to ensure that he wins. It's all very transparent.

[CaudleHalbard]

Becuase Siavash is almost as much of an airhead as Sophie, Charlie, and the rest (Marcus excluded).

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Cause everyone would have just picked Marcus and him.

So maybe Siavash thought that might be unfair on Marcus.
Marcus is going up anyway, so it makes no difference to Marcus. And he cannot control whether Marcus goes up or not, the others do.

So why not do a 2-way eviction? Scared? :rolleyes:

[luminoussun]

Siavash messed up big time and i hope it swings it for marcus to stay

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Cause everyone would have just picked Marcus and him.

So maybe Siavash thought that might be unfair on Marcus.
Marcus is going up anyway, so it makes no difference to Marcus. And he cannot control whether Marcus goes up or not, the others do.

So why not do a 2-way eviction? Scared? :rolleyes:

He is not scared. Did you see the way he went out to face the others at the bus stop on the HL show? He is very brave.

[setanta]

Originally posted by Dezzy
He doesn't really wanna go, he just wants to play the hero to ensure that he wins. It's all very transparent.

Yep, exactly. Want's to play the windswept, kind natured voice of reason to us all while in reality he's always been rooted in the game, constantly deliberating and scheming. One of the biggest players in there and wouldn't believe anything he's saying.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Siavash messed up big time and i hope it swings it for marcus to stay
People on here moan about Charlie but that means nothing, because he's not up for eviction and is in the final.

But this Q is the crux of it, and IMO completely shows Siavash up. He will not ask people to nominate him and ensure a 2-way eviction.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Cause everyone would have just picked Marcus and him.

So maybe Siavash thought that might be unfair on Marcus.
Marcus is going up anyway, so it makes no difference to Marcus. And he cannot control whether Marcus goes up or not, the others do.

So why not do a 2-way eviction? Scared? :rolleyes:

Maybe he does have a master gameplan...and then you would respect him for it apparently...so what difference does it make :wink:

Also please dont bring my posts into your arguements.

[Jords]

As he knew the other HMs didnt wanna talk about nominations.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth

He is not scared. Did you see the way he went out to face the others at the bus stop on the HL show? He is very brave.
Scared is probably not the best word, let's say inconvenient. But you have to answer the Q this thread title poses.

He will not ensure a 2-way eviction, he only fixes things to ensure a 3-way. He only puts himself up as long as David is in the mix.

David is the safety net, whilst he doesn't nominate and tries to make himself look heroic.

Unless you can bring up another reason as to why he didn't ask others to nominate him!

[free3]

siavash dosent want to go up 1 to 1. he wanted every 1 or at least david in the mix, simple, think ppl think

[HalfwitFTW]

Because Rodrigo, Lisa, David and Charlie dont like talking about who they are going to nominate anyway and would have said he is just trying to mess with the nominations again

He tried to bring it up yesterday and they started having a go at him so he just left them to nominate as they wanted

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Maybe he does have a master gameplan...and then you would respect him for it apparently...so what difference does it make :wink:

Also please dont bring my posts into your arguements.
I didn't want to take credit for your calculations, so I mentioned your thread. But I'm glad you admit that he is scheming.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Because Rodrigo, Lisa, David and Charlie dont like talking about who they are going to nominate anyway and would have said he is just trying to mess with the nominations again

He tried to bring it up yesterday and they started having a go at him so he just left them to nominate as they wanted
All of them apart from Rodrigo would be more than happy to nominate him upon request. They nominated him WITHOUT request ...

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by -BB~Jordan-
As he knew the other HMs didnt wanna talk about nominations.

Yes THIS ^

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by GypsyGoth

He is not scared. Did you see the way he went out to face the others at the bus stop on the HL show? He is very brave.
Scared is probably not the best word, let's say inconvenient. But you have to answer the Q this thread title poses.

He will not ensure a 2-way eviction, he only fixes things to ensure a 3-way. He only puts himself up as long as David is in the mix.

David is the safety net, whilst he doesn't nominate and tries to make himself look heroic.

Unless you can bring up another reason as to why he didn't ask others to nominate him!

Siavash might believe he is more popular outside. He doesn't want to be up against Marus and have Marcus go. Especially when Marcus pleaded with Charlie and co. about not nominating him.

Also Siavash figured it would be just David and Marcus if he wasn't up as well.

By Siavash's calculation, him not nominating was the only way to be up. He figured if he voted for David it would be just David and Marcus.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

He will not ensure a 2-way eviction, he only fixes things to ensure a 3-way. He only puts himself up as long as David is in the mix.

David is the safety net, whilst he doesn't nominate and tries to make himself look heroic.


And again, this is where your arguement falls apart, siavash does not know that david is unpopular outside, he could be the fave as far as they know.

So...how could he be using dave as a safety net if it could actually ensure that siavash himself leaves. Being up against two faves and all:whistle:

He even said that he wasnt exactly sure about the nominations so would be prepared to take the risk that rodrigo didnt vote in the way sophie said, which would mean it was 1v1 with him and marcus. If rod did vote that way, it was a 3 way...

Would you of preferred him to nominate david? Whilst thinking that this would make sure marcus and david were up?(even though in reality it wouldnt have made a difference) Would that make you feel better?

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by GypsyGoth

He is not scared. Did you see the way he went out to face the others at the bus stop on the HL show? He is very brave.
Scared is probably not the best word, let's say inconvenient. But you have to answer the Q this thread title poses.

He will not ensure a 2-way eviction, he only fixes things to ensure a 3-way. He only puts himself up as long as David is in the mix.

David is the safety net, whilst he doesn't nominate and tries to make himself look heroic.

Unless you can bring up another reason as to why he didn't ask others to nominate him!

Like I said in another thread, this is the one thing I don't have an answer to, unless he thought somewhat naively that people wouldn't put him up just because he asked them to.
Sophie and Rodrigo both pretty much told him they would never nominate him, he wouldn't expect Marcus to (and he didn't nom Marcus when he asked to be put up because he 'wanted to go home'). The only people he could guarantee getting a nomination from by asking would be Lisa, Charlie and David and that may not be enough to get him put up.

That does sound like a pretty weak explanation I know, but it's the only one I can come up with.

I'm not denying at all that this could all be a massive game plan on his part, and that he is trying to appear to be 'the nice guy with morals'. If that's the case it has backfired on him bigtime, but I do understand his reasoning for the most part, and fair play to him for having a game plan tbh.

I still believe he's one of the nicer HM's this year, yes he's ****ed up and made mistakes but he's still a likeable character imo.

[Viper29]

To answer your question AhmedFan....

Siavash has siad this many times, and was trying to say it to the squealing hyenas last night if they listened, that he doesn't want a free ride to the finals, he would rather have EVERYONE up for eviction to see who the public would want to be there. When this was put to the other people in the house they were scared of being up so didn't go along with his plan as they knew they'd have a chacne of leaving. He knew this week that they wouldn't go along with it again so he was trying to orchestrate a situation were he could get the most people up ( including himself ). By calculating out who he thought would be nominated by everyone he brought it down to Himself, David and Marcus. So didn't nominate to get the most people up that he could.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Siavash might believe he is more popular outside. He doesn't want to be up against Marus and have Marcus go. Especially when Marcus pleaded with Charlie and co. about not nominating him.
But Marcus was going up anyway? What's the difference?

Also Siavash figured it would be just David and Marcus if he wasn't up as well.

By Siavash's calculation, him not nominating was the only way to be up. He figured if he voted for David it would be just David and Marcus.
Yes, but another way was to ask everyone to nom him and ensure a 2-way eviction. But he wouldn't have this, he needed David in the mix. :whistle:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

Maybe he does have a master gameplan...and then you would respect him for it apparently...so what difference does it make :wink:

Also please dont bring my posts into your arguements.
I didn't want to take credit for your calculations, so I mentioned your thread. But I'm glad you admit that he is scheming.

Note the word MAYBE.

Dont even attempt to twist the things I write Ahmed, it doesnt work. Nice try though, again.

[GypsyGoth]

Siavash said if he asked people to nominate him, that would mean just him and Marcus up. How is that fair on Marcus?

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

He will not ensure a 2-way eviction, he only fixes things to ensure a 3-way. He only puts himself up as long as David is in the mix.

David is the safety net, whilst he doesn't nominate and tries to make himself look heroic.


And again, this is where your arguement falls apart, siavash does not know that david is unpopular outside, he could be the fave as far as they know.

So...how could he be using dave as a safety net if it could actually ensure that siavash himself leaves. Being up against two faves and all:whistle:

He even said that he wasnt exactly sure about the nominations so would be prepared to take the risk that rodrigo didnt vote in the way sophie said, which would mean it was 1v1 with him and marcus. If rod did vote that way, it was a 3 way...

Would you of preferred him to nominate david? Whilst thinking that this would make sure marcus and david were up?(even though in reality it wouldnt have made a difference) Would that make you feel better?

Yes I agree, surely if he had nominated David simply to make sure that David was up (as he believed he already had 3 votes) that would be worse? Because that way he would DEFINITELY be seen as trying to avoid being up himself AND/OR it being a head to head between himself and Marcus.

He couldn't know 100% what the outcome was going to be, in my mind he was simply ensuring that he would be up this week, EITHER in a 2 way or 3 way.

[Vicky.]

See, as usual, you ask for examples and then just say they are not good enough.

No use talking to you. :rolleyes:

[santaa]

Siavash has it all worked out. Got it wrong.No David

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
And again, this is where your arguement falls apart, siavash does not know that david is unpopular outside, he could be the fave as far as they know
He said that he thought it was gonna be a close eviction between David and Bea. And Bea went in a 3-way, means she was most hated out of 3 people. Chances are, David is in the firing line next. Especially since Vash and Marcus have survived many evictions.

This answers your Q perfectly - Siavash is confident against David.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

He will not ensure a 2-way eviction, he only fixes things to ensure a 3-way. He only puts himself up as long as David is in the mix.

David is the safety net, whilst he doesn't nominate and tries to make himself look heroic.


And again, this is where your arguement falls apart, siavash does not know that david is unpopular outside, he could be the fave as far as they know.

So...how could he be using dave as a safety net if it could actually ensure that siavash himself leaves. Being up against two faves and all:whistle:

He even said that he wasnt exactly sure about the nominations so would be prepared to take the risk that rodrigo didnt vote in the way sophie said, which would mean it was 1v1 with him and marcus. If rod did vote that way, it was a 3 way...

Would you of preferred him to nominate david? Whilst thinking that this would make sure marcus and david were up?(even though in reality it wouldnt have made a difference) Would that make you feel better?

Yes I agree, surely if he had nominated David simply to make sure that David was up (as he believed he already had 3 votes) that would be worse? Because that way he would DEFINITELY be seen as trying to avoid being up himself AND/OR it being a head to head between himself and Marcus.

He couldn't know 100% what the outcome was going to be, in my mind he was simply ensuring that he would be up this week, EITHER in a 2 way or 3 way.

Ahmedfan wont see it like this though...watch :wink:

Im looking forward to seeing how he attempts to totally disprove it...because he cant accept that sometimes he may be wrong:tongue:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Siavash said if he asked people to nominate him, that would mean just him and Marcus up. How is that fair on Marcus?

Good point that. Especially seeing as Marcus has now decided that he doesn't want to go home.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Yes I agree, surely if he had nominated David simply to make sure that David was up (as he believed he already had 3 votes) that would be worse? Because that way he would DEFINITELY be seen as trying to avoid being up himself AND/OR it being a head to head between himself and Marcus.

He couldn't know 100% what the outcome was going to be, in my mind he was simply ensuring that he would be up this week, EITHER in a 2 way or 3 way.
He said if he nominated David, then that means David vs Marcus. NO SIAVASH. Agreed?

So yes he wants to be up.

But why do it like this, a 3-way, why not ask everyone to nominate him and ensure a 2-way eviction of Marcus vs Siavash?

Why does David have to be in there?

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
If he really doesn't want a free ride and is wanting to go up, then why didn't he just ask everyone to nom him, like Marcus did in the past - And thus ensure a Marcus vs Siavash eviction.

He told Charlie that he didn't want this because it would be Marcus vs Siavash. But he didn't elaborate on what was so bad about that.

Going by Vicky's post about what Siavash CALCULATED IN HIS MIND, not nomming ensured a 3-way; inc David. So this scenario seems fine to him.

My only logical conclusion is that he's happy with a likely 3-way eviction, but not happy with a 2-way eviction. Thus LOOKING GOOD FOR NOT NOMINATING + 3-WAY EVICTION WITH DAVID = RESULT.

I know he admitted a risk of it being a 2-way eviction ANYWAY, but it seems like it was a risk he was willing to take.

Why else not ENSURE a 2-way eviction by asking others to nom him as per Marcus of the past 3 weeks, if he wants to go up so bad? :whistle:
heres why genius.. had siavash begged to be nominated as charlie suggested,siavash would be accused of game playing and would of been told to "****" as they can choose who ever they like,charlies reason for nominating marcus this week was because marcus had asked to be nominated before and has now had a change of heart,so had siavash asked,they would only use this as ammunition to target siavash even more so than before..

so while you see siavash as "Scared" the truth is,house mates have broken rules at their leisure,yet siavash is somehow wrong this week.. for some reason siavash not adhering to one rule is oh so immoral yet every other housemate is okay to do so? sophie didnt nominate last week and charlie didnt have much of an issue with it,marcus has done much the same in the past.. but yeah lets persecute siavash,that seems fair

[setanta]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Siavash said if he asked people to nominate him, that would mean just him and Marcus up. How is that fair on Marcus?

Good point that. Especially seeing as Marcus has now decided that he doesn't want to go home.

More like how is it fair to him. Come on lads, he's trying to avoid eviction and assume the moral highground here. Dull stuff.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Siavash said if he asked people to nominate him, that would mean just him and Marcus up. How is that fair on Marcus?

Good point that. Especially seeing as Marcus has now decided that he doesn't want to go home.

More like how is it fair to him. Come on lads, he's trying to avoid eviction and assume the moral highground here. Dull stuff.

Marcus has more of a chance of staying if David (or any other housemate) is up, rather than just Siavash and Marcus. Siavash considers Marcus a friend, why would he wan t to increase Marcus's chances of going.

Hope this makes sense.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Yes I agree, surely if he had nominated David simply to make sure that David was up (as he believed he already had 3 votes) that would be worse? Because that way he would DEFINITELY be seen as trying to avoid being up himself AND/OR it being a head to head between himself and Marcus.

He couldn't know 100% what the outcome was going to be, in my mind he was simply ensuring that he would be up this week, EITHER in a 2 way or 3 way.
He said if he nominated David, then that means David vs Marcus. NO SIAVASH. Agreed?

So yes he wants to be up.

But why do it like this, a 3-way, why not ask everyone to nominate him and ensure a 2-way eviction of Marcus vs Siavash?

Why does David have to be in there?

He didn't KNOW that David would be in there, that's my point. He was looking at ALL the scenarios, based on what he knew about other people's nominations.

He listed the options of it being David v Marcus, himself v Marcus, and a 3 way, he wasn't to know for sure what would happen so he just took the chance!

I don't even think he particularly WANTED it to be David up this week, he said all along he would prefer for EVERYONE to be up. He just assumed that David was in the mix based on Sophie and Marcus's noms and what he was told by Sophie about the way Rodrigo would have voted.

Siavash isn't singling David or anybody out, his sole aim was to just be up himself in some fashion.

And if you look back through the thread I already gave my view on why he didn't ask to be put up.

[santaa]

Hope Marcus doesnt roll over and let him win

[RobertaH]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Siavash said if he asked people to nominate him, that would mean just him and Marcus up. How is that fair on Marcus?

By the time Siavash nommed? Marcus was already up.

[setanta]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Siavash said if he asked people to nominate him, that would mean just him and Marcus up. How is that fair on Marcus?

Good point that. Especially seeing as Marcus has now decided that he doesn't want to go home.

More like how is it fair to him. Come on lads, he's trying to avoid eviction and assume the moral highground here. Dull stuff.

Marcus has more of a chance of staying if David (or any other housemate) is up, rather than just Siavash and Marcus. Siavash considers Marcus a friend, why would he wan t to increase Marcus's chances of going.

Hope this makes sense.

Nope, it doesn't becuz I feel Siavash would have been genuinely worried about facing Marcus head on.

[AhmedFan2004]

If Siavash asked everyone to nominate him, they would have done. Nearly all of them did WITHOUT request. So it's no big deal.

Someone suggested he didn't want a 1-1 eviction of Vash vs Marcus because that could mean Marcus leaving; his friend. So he's worried about that.

This is a possibility, and the best alternative reason produced so far in this thread.

But then that still means David being a possible safety net, for the pair of them. Again, it means that himself and Marcus have a possible safety net.

And like I said, Vash figured that David vs Bea was a close eviction, and since Bea went, he must think David is next in the firing line. AHEAD OF MARCUS.

So he's trying to fix a result.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
If Siavash asked everyone to nominate him, they would have done. Nearly all of them did WITHOUT request. So it's no big deal.

Someone suggested he didn't want a 1-1 eviction of Vash vs Marcus because that could mean Marcus leaving; his friend. So he's worried about that.

This is a possibility, and the best alternative reason produced so far in this thread.

But then that still means David being a possible safety net, for the pair of them. Again, it means that himself and Marcus have a possible safety net.

And like I said, Vash figured that David vs Bea was a close eviction, and since Bea went, he must think David is next in the firing line. AHEAD OF MARCUS.

So he's trying to fix a result.

He actually said to Bea that he thought between her and David, it was 60% (her) to 40% (David) that she would go.

Hardly that close, and this is all based on assumption anyway!

[Vicky.]

You do make me laugh Ahmedfan..I'll give you that :laugh2:

[setanta]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
If Siavash asked everyone to nominate him, they would have done. Nearly all of them did WITHOUT request. So it's no big deal.

Someone suggested he didn't want a 1-1 eviction of Vash vs Marcus because that could mean Marcus leaving; his friend. So he's worried about that.

This is a possibility, and the best alternative reason produced so far in this thread.

But then that still means David being a possible safety net, for the pair of them. Again, it means that himself and Marcus have a possible safety net.

And like I said, Vash figured that David vs Bea was a close eviction, and since Bea went, he must think David is next in the firing line. AHEAD OF MARCUS.

So he's trying to fix a result.



He actually said to Bea that he thought between her and David, it was 60% (her) to 40% (David) that she would go.

Hardly that close, and this is all based on assumption anyway!

But that's the whole point Kitty. The guy is so immersed in a game that he has stated is of no concern to him, and yet he continues to process information and act accordingly. Everything he does is carefully thought out and deliberated over. Not the actions of a guy who doesn't give a fu$k about it all.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
He didn't KNOW that David would be in there, that's my point. He was looking at ALL the scenarios, based on what he knew about other people's nominations.

He listed the options of it being David v Marcus, himself v Marcus, and a 3 way, he wasn't to know for sure what would happen so he just took the chance!

I don't even think he particularly WANTED it to be David up this week, he said all along he would prefer for EVERYONE to be up. He just assumed that David was in the mix based on Sophie and Marcus's noms and what he was told by Sophie about the way Rodrigo would have voted.

Siavash isn't singling David or anybody out, his sole aim was to just be up himself in some fashion.

And if you look back through the thread I already gave my view on why he didn't ask to be put up.
In his mind it was likely that David got 3 noms, and he got 3 noms. See Vicky's thread. I agree there was a risk element. I agree he wasn't singling David out, it's other HMs nomming David; Sophie, etc.

But even if it was true that Siavash didn't want a 1-1 eviction against Marcus because that could mean his friend leaving, that still means he's trying to fix a result to ensure a 3-way, with David. So David gets the rap.

And as I explained, he thought Bea vs David was a close eviction call. So logically David is ahead of Marcus in the firing line. He's the safety net.

It still goes back to Siavash wanting a 3-way. Either to save his own skin and look like a hero to the public, or to save Marcus and be loyal there.

And since Siavash has backstabbed Marcus and appears to be a huge gameplayer, this 'loyalty to Marcus and not wanting to see him go' theory does seem rather farfetched.

But EVEN if true, he's still trying to fix a result. With David as the safety net.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by setanta
Nope, it doesn't becuz I feel Siavash would have been genuinely worried about facing Marcus head on.

I agree that Siavash would have more of a chance of going (as would Marcus), to understand his true motives you would have to be him at that moment.

I like Marcus too, I hate that it is Siavash and Marcus up.

There are soo many useless ones let into the final week without our say so.

Anyway Siavash wanting to be in the final week doesn't bother me, or if he wanted to increase his (and his friend's) chances of making the final.

The Vash is best of them left in there. He is head and sholders above the rest.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

He actually said to Bea that he thought between her and David, it was 60% (her) to 40% (David) that she would go.

Hardly that close, and this is all based on assumption anyway!
And then the next day, he reduced that to 50/50, in the garden, day time. But in either case, he believes Marcus was least likely to go of the 3.

Which means David is more likely to go than Marcus, in his mind. Simple Maths. :rolleyes:

[setanta]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
Nope, it doesn't becuz I feel Siavash would have been genuinely worried about facing Marcus head on.

I agree that Siavash would have more of a chance of going (as would Marcus), to understand his true motives you would have to be him at that moment.

I like Marcus too, I hate that it is Siavash and Marcus up.

There are soo many useless ones let into the final week without our say so.

Anyway Siavash wanting to be in the final week doesn't bother me, or if he wanted to increase his (and his friend's) chances of making the final.

The Vash is best of them left in there. He is head and sholders above the rest.

I agree that they're useless in there but I don't agree that Siavash stands above them in this - that's exactly what he wants you to believe. I personally don't want any of them to win but Siavash is just as bad as the rest in some of his actions and behaviour. He's an extremely deliberate individual.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by setanta
I agree that they're useless in there but I don't agree that Siavash stands above them in this - that's exactly what he wants you to believe. I personally don't want any of them to win but Siavash is just as bad as the rest in some of his actions and behaviour. He's an extremely deliberate individual.

Siavash is caring, brave, romantic, handsome, loyal, funny, stylish, fast, strong, smart... :lovedup: you get the idea.

I think he is great

[setanta]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
I agree that they're useless in there but I don't agree that Siavash stands above them in this - that's exactly what he wants you to believe. I personally don't want any of them to win but Siavash is just as bad as the rest in some of his actions and behaviour. He's an extremely deliberate individual.

Siavash is caring, brave, romantic, handsome, loyal, funny, stylish, fast, strong, smart... :lovedup: you get the idea.

I think he is great

Oh, I get the idea darling. Don't you worry. :tongue:
Ah, l'amour

[AhmedFan2004]

It's very very convenient that Siavash believes that David is ahead of Marcus in the firing line, and that it would be a 'close call' between David and Bea in last week's 3 way eviction with Marcus.

60/40, then reducing that to 50/50 in the garden the next day.

So it seems so convenient to ensure that David is in the mix with them. Most likely to look like a hero whilst he survives, or to be loyal to Marcus and not have a 2-way eviction incase Marcus goes (unlikely).

But in either case; most likely because he wants to stay WHILST looking heroic, David is that safety blanket that holds the scheming together.

You need David in all of this, that's my point. He needs to be there. So it's fixing a result. :whistle:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

He actually said to Bea that he thought between her and David, it was 60% (her) to 40% (David) that she would go.

Hardly that close, and this is all based on assumption anyway!
And then the next day, he reduced that to 50/50, in the garden, day time. But in either case, he believes Marcus was least likely to go of the 3.

Which means David is more likely to go than Marcus, in his mind. Simple Maths. :rolleyes:

We're going round in circles here. :rolleyes:

Even it is is all a gameplan with Siavash, and he was trying to create a situation with less risk of either himself or Marcus who he still seems to consider a friend of going, then I still don't see what the big deal is.

And anyway it hasn't worked out for him has it?

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
I agree that they're useless in there but I don't agree that Siavash stands above them in this - that's exactly what he wants you to believe. I personally don't want any of them to win but Siavash is just as bad as the rest in some of his actions and behaviour. He's an extremely deliberate individual.

Siavash is caring, brave, romantic, handsome, loyal, funny, stylish, fast, strong, smart... :lovedup: you get the idea.

I think he is great

I so knew you would come round to my way of thinking about him eventually. :laugh::hug:

[setanta]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
I agree that they're useless in there but I don't agree that Siavash stands above them in this - that's exactly what he wants you to believe. I personally don't want any of them to win but Siavash is just as bad as the rest in some of his actions and behaviour. He's an extremely deliberate individual.

Siavash is caring, brave, romantic, handsome, loyal, funny, stylish, fast, strong, smart... :lovedup: you get the idea.

I think he is great

I so knew you would come round to my way of thinking about him eventually. :laugh::hug:

Good lord, he's going to have at least two stalkers when he gets out. Go and have a cold shower you two!

He's as big a tit as the rest of them in there darlings.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
I agree that they're useless in there but I don't agree that Siavash stands above them in this - that's exactly what he wants you to believe. I personally don't want any of them to win but Siavash is just as bad as the rest in some of his actions and behaviour. He's an extremely deliberate individual.

Siavash is caring, brave, romantic, handsome, loyal, funny, stylish, fast, strong, smart... :lovedup: you get the idea.

I think he is great

I so knew you would come round to my way of thinking about him eventually. :laugh::hug:

:hug: He gets me going.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

He actually said to Bea that he thought between her and David, it was 60% (her) to 40% (David) that she would go.

Hardly that close, and this is all based on assumption anyway!
And then the next day, he reduced that to 50/50, in the garden, day time. But in either case, he believes Marcus was least likely to go of the 3.

Which means David is more likely to go than Marcus, in his mind. Simple Maths. :rolleyes:

We're going round in circles here. :rolleyes:

Even it is is all a gameplan with Siavash, and he was trying to create a situation with less risk of either himself or Marcus who he still seems to consider a friend of going, then I still don't see what the big deal is.

And anyway it hasn't worked out for him has it?


Ahmed on the block vote

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Has to bloc vote to ensure his final place! No mercy in this game! :rolleyes:

Basically...a hypocrite...its ok for charlie and co to ensure them and their friends are ok, but not for siavash to make sure him and his mate are ok.

Siavash is a demon for doing the exactt thing ahmed is praising charlie/lisa etc for...:rolleyes:


(IF this is indeed the case with Siavash, that he is using david as a safety net for him and his friend)

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
I agree that they're useless in there but I don't agree that Siavash stands above them in this - that's exactly what he wants you to believe. I personally don't want any of them to win but Siavash is just as bad as the rest in some of his actions and behaviour. He's an extremely deliberate individual.

Siavash is caring, brave, romantic, handsome, loyal, funny, stylish, fast, strong, smart... :lovedup: you get the idea.

I think he is great

I so knew you would come round to my way of thinking about him eventually. :laugh::hug:

Good lord, he's going to have at least two stalkers when he gets out. Go and have a cold shower you two!

He's as big a tit as the rest of them in there darlings.

Only if he can join us in that cold shower! :laugh::wink:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

We're going round in circles here. :rolleyes:

Even it is is all a gameplan with Siavash, and he was trying to create a situation with less risk of either himself or Marcus who he still seems to consider a friend of going, then I still don't see what the big deal is.

And anyway it hasn't worked out for him has it?
It's not circles, I proved to you and Vicky that he does have thoughts on who is more likely to go than who. David was next in the firing line, ahead of Marcus, and probs ahead of Vash too. It's clear. 60/40 or 50/50 against Bea = David is close to going.

And yes, it is a gameplan of sorts - But people don't like the fact he's trying to be so covert, sly and deceptive about it. But then that's the nature of gameplans; you need to deceive people to pull it off. Or else it is foiled and you can't make it work.

You pay the price for being sneaky and scheming and not getting away with it. Like he said, it's down to the public. He tried and failed though, agreed.

After all that, it's 1 vs 1 anyway. He'll obviously be devastated, lol. :whistle:

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

He actually said to Bea that he thought between her and David, it was 60% (her) to 40% (David) that she would go.

Hardly that close, and this is all based on assumption anyway!
And then the next day, he reduced that to 50/50, in the garden, day time. But in either case, he believes Marcus was least likely to go of the 3.

Which means David is more likely to go than Marcus, in his mind. Simple Maths. :rolleyes:

errm king,we all knew marcus was less likely to go over bea/david..siavash figured david would be up this week,if he was looking to fix the result as you say then he would've used his nomination to get david up..

and once more,siavash would not get a chance to ask any of them to put him up as they would only tell him that they would nominate who they wanted to.he wouldnt get a look in..

so siavash is up this week anyway,which is what he was looking for,if he's in the final he would rather not be there by default..

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004


After all that, it's 1 vs 1 anyway. He'll obviously be devastated, lol. :whistle:

Well he doesnt seem too devastated.

The only people who will be devastated will be marcus fans, I think :wink:

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Only if he can join us in that cold shower! :laugh::wink:

:laugh3::laugh3: I agree.

[setanta]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
I agree that they're useless in there but I don't agree that Siavash stands above them in this - that's exactly what he wants you to believe. I personally don't want any of them to win but Siavash is just as bad as the rest in some of his actions and behaviour. He's an extremely deliberate individual.

Siavash is caring, brave, romantic, handsome, loyal, funny, stylish, fast, strong, smart... :lovedup: you get the idea.

I think he is great

I so knew you would come round to my way of thinking about him eventually. :laugh::hug:

Good lord, he's going to have at least two stalkers when he gets out. Go and have a cold shower you two!

He's as big a tit as the rest of them in there darlings.

Only if he can join us in that cold shower! :laugh::wink:

You've both lost the plot... watching far too much Big Brother and starved of normal fellas. lol

He's basically Mr. Potato Head with a wolly mane of hair and beard.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Basically...a hypocrite...its ok for charlie and co to ensure them and their friends are ok, but not for siavash to make sure him and his mate are ok.

Siavash is a demon for doing the exactt thing ahmed is praising charlie/lisa etc for...:rolleyes:

(IF this is indeed the case with Siavash, that he is using david as a safety net for him and his friend)
I've not slated Siavash in this thread at all, I just asked a Q.

I've never denied that Lisa and co. block vote, they do, clearly. But this is to expose Siavash for doing the same thing, since he's trying to say that he's not scheming, but he is.

You just assume I am trying to make a hate thread, I just asked a Q. If I wanted to make a hate thread, I'd make one, a very clear one. :rolleyes:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by setanta

You've both lost the plot... watching far too much Big Brother and starved of normal fellas. lol

He's basically Mr. Potato Head with a wolly mane of hair and beard.

Woah, Mrs. Potato Head would not be happy to read that comment! :nono:

Anyway us girls need a fitty to watch, and we have been pretty much starved this year, Vash being the only option pretty much!

And does have a certain je ne sais quoi. :lovedup:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
errm king,we all knew marcus was less likely to go over bea/david..siavash figured david would be up this week,if he was looking to fix the result as you say then he would've used his nomination to get david up..
But that wouldn't look cool on TV, tactically voting to put David up and save himself. Especially after weeks of not wanting a free ride. So he couldn't really do this, in terms of public rep, and didn't ...

and once more,siavash would not get a chance to ask any of them to put him up as they would only tell him that they would nominate who they wanted to.he wouldnt get a look in..
They'd gladly obey his request. They nommed him without request. Charlie even said that he should have done this, as per Marcus. Marcus did it no probs. Nobody ever battered an eyelid.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
Basically...a hypocrite...its ok for charlie and co to ensure them and their friends are ok, but not for siavash to make sure him and his mate are ok.

Siavash is a demon for doing the exactt thing ahmed is praising charlie/lisa etc for...:rolleyes:

(IF this is indeed the case with Siavash, that he is using david as a safety net for him and his friend)
I've not slated Siavash in this thread at all, I just asked a Q.

I've never denied that Lisa and co. block vote, they do, clearly. But this is to expose Siavash for doing the same thing, since he's trying to say that he's not scheming, but he is.

You just assume I am trying to make a hate thread, I just asked a Q. If I wanted to make a hate thread, I'd make one, a very clear one. :rolleyes:


Sooo...this thread has nothing to do with the fact that you want marcus to stay over siavash? Nothing to do with the fact that you are annoyed that siavash apparently 'tried to use' one of your fave housemates as a 'safety net'?

Nevermind anyway...Charlie came out of it all worse, and thats fine by me :spin:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Sooo...this thread has nothing to do with the fact that you want marcus to stay over siavash? Nothing to do with the fact that you are annoyed that siavash apparently 'tried to use' one of your fave housemates as a 'safety net'?

Nevermind anyway...Charlie came out of it all worse, and thats fine by me :spin:
I am entitled to expose him (well tonights HL's did that, but anyway ...) just like Lisa's bloc voting has been exposed for 12 weeks. There's no reason for me to not re-address the balance, is there?

And I don't think Charlie came out worse. And you know that all the chavs wouldn't care no matter what he did, his fan base is static.

He obviously mentioned the 'GF Cheating' and 'Backstabbing Marcus' thing for a reason. To remind the public. And that will look far worse on Siavash than Charlie getting angry because Vash fiddles with noms.

And to be fair, no matter what Charlie does, this forum is against him. So that's a given. So saying he came out worse is rather meaningless.

EDIT: I do want Marcus to stay over Vash, yes. But this thread is still fair. If Lisa and co. get exposed, then I should do the same.

[setanta]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by setanta

You've both lost the plot... watching far too much Big Brother and starved of normal fellas. lol

He's basically Mr. Potato Head with a wolly mane of hair and beard.

Woah, Mrs. Potato Head would not be happy to read that comment! :nono:

Anyway us girls need a fitty to watch, and we have been pretty much starved this year, Vash being the only option pretty much!

And does have a certain je ne sais quoi. :lovedup:

He's not all that and he's arrogant to boot. All I can say is god love you darling. I would show you a picture of myself in the hope I could wean you off this terrible affliction you're suffering from but I'd worry that you'd spontaneously combust or something and I couldn't have that on my conscience!! Ha ha

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by setanta

You've both lost the plot... watching far too much Big Brother and starved of normal fellas. lol

He's basically Mr. Potato Head with a wolly mane of hair and beard.

Woah, Mrs. Potato Head would not be happy to read that comment! :nono:

Anyway us girls need a fitty to watch, and we have been pretty much starved this year, Vash being the only option pretty much!

And does have a certain je ne sais quoi. :lovedup:

He's not all that and he's arrogant to boot. All I can say is god love you darling. I would show you a picture of myself in the hope I could wean you off this terrible affliction you're suffering from but I'd worry that you'd spontaneously combust or something and I couldn't have that on my conscience!! Ha ha

If loving the Vash is wrong, then I don't wanna be right! :wink:

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by setanta
I would show you a picture of myself in the hope I could wean you off this terrible affliction you're suffering from but I'd worry that you'd spontaneously combust or something and I couldn't have that on my conscience!! Ha ha

Post your pic here: http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=130689&page=9

I have, maybe you're the one out of your league.

[setanta]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by setanta

You've both lost the plot... watching far too much Big Brother and starved of normal fellas. lol

He's basically Mr. Potato Head with a wolly mane of hair and beard.

Woah, Mrs. Potato Head would not be happy to read that comment! :nono:

Anyway us girls need a fitty to watch, and we have been pretty much starved this year, Vash being the only option pretty much!

And does have a certain je ne sais quoi. :lovedup:

He's not all that and he's arrogant to boot. All I can say is god love you darling. I would show you a picture of myself in the hope I could wean you off this terrible affliction you're suffering from but I'd worry that you'd spontaneously combust or something and I couldn't have that on my conscience!! Ha ha

If loving the Vash is wrong, then I don't wanna be right! :wink:

Ah he's flavour of the month to you, nothing more. ha ha. And wait till he gets a haircut. You're going to have a sh£tfreak.

[setanta]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
I would show you a picture of myself in the hope I could wean you off this terrible affliction you're suffering from but I'd worry that you'd spontaneously combust or something and I couldn't have that on my conscience!! Ha ha

Post your pic here: http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=130689&page=9

I have, maybe you're the one out of your league.

Wow, thanks for the link. Really interesting to see peoples faces cuz sometimes this can be quite a cold experience and you tend to forget that there's real people here with real lives, you know? I'm an artist so I love to observe faces.... can learn a great deal from them. Really thanks.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

And I don't think Charlie came out worse. And you know that all the chavs wouldn't care no matter what he did, his fan base is static.

He obviously mentioned the 'GF Cheating' and 'Backstabbing Marcus' thing for a reason. To remind the public. And that will look far worse on Siavash than Charlie getting angry because Vash fiddles with noms.

And to be fair, no matter what Charlie does, this forum is against him. So that's a given. So saying he came out worse is rather meaningless.


Because he was running scared at the idea of siavash possibly taking the crown :laugh:

It was quite funny, and very transparent...only you seem to have not got this.

[BONNEIP]

Siavash knew Marcus 4 sure would be up, but in his arrogance believed Roddy would vote for David, Roddy's pretty smart too.... he's made sure of eliminating one of his biggest rivals, by following pack leader Lisa's instructions to her group......simple. So either way on Friday we loose either the Best ever HM...Marcus or we vote out the real rabbit.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Because he was running scared at the idea of siavash possibly taking the crown :laugh:

It was quite funny, and very transparent...only you seem to have not got this.
No I get this, and I've said he has bad flaws, but you're wiping under the carpet Siavash looking terrible tonight, 3-4 days prior eviction:

= Scheming exposed, trying to be 'Mr Nice guy', etc
= Public reminded of 'Cheating on GF' and 'Backstabbing Best Mate'
= Fiddling noms, braking rules every week, pretending he's out of the game but isn't.

So why pretend that he looked good? And again, Charlie is not up for eviction, so it's irrelevant.

And again, the chavs/public will side with him just like they did last time with Fred (And Fred left). But Charlie is as usual in the right; exposing truth.

Charlie brought up the Cheating on GF + Backstabbing Best Mate issue to bring Vash down. And the public is now reminded. Pwned.

The forum is biased and anti-Charlie, so even if he breathed you'd say he was wrong. Big wooop. :rolleyes:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by BONNEIP
So either way on Friday we loose either the Best ever HM...Marcus or we vote out the real rabbit.
LOL don't get me started on RabbitGate, or Lisa's Drink-Gate. ROFL. :whistle:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
Because he was running scared at the idea of siavash possibly taking the crown :laugh:

It was quite funny, and very transparent...only you seem to have not got this.
No I get this, and I've said he has bad flaws, but you're wiping under the carpet Siavash looking terrible tonight, 3-4 days prior eviction:

= Scheming exposed, trying to be 'Mr Nice guy', etc
= Public reminded of 'Cheating on GF' and 'Backstabbing Best Mate'
= Fiddling noms, braking rules every week, pretending he's out of the game but isn't.

So why pretend that he looked good? And again, Charlie is not up for eviction, so it's irrelevant.

And again, the chavs/public will side with him just like they did last time with Fred (And Fred left). But Charlie is as usual in the right; exposing truth.

Charlie brought up the Cheating on GF + Backstabbing Best Mate issue to bring Vash down. And the public is now reminded. Pwned.

The forum is biased and anti-Charlie, so even if he breathed you'd say he was wrong. Big wooop. :rolleyes:

I never said he looked good. I said he looked the best out of them all (the ones who were arguing( as he stood his ground and refused to back down even when they tried the group 'attack' that they were so fond of earlier in the series :wink:



Charlie is as usual in the right...seriously, do you watch a different show to everyone else?!

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
I never said he looked good. I said he looked the best out of them all (the ones who were arguing( as he stood his ground and refused to back down even when they tried the group 'attack' that they were so fond of earlier in the series :wink:
The general public and chavs and still some forumers will think that Vash is a scheming deceptive snake and are fully reminded of his cheating and backstabbing. You know this.

Charlie is as usual in the right...seriously, do you watch a different show to everyone else?!
He exposes the truth and states it for the public to see, even if it is part of his gameplan. And it works. Everyone knows that Freddie, and now Vash, are schemers and fakers. And he exposes them and brings them down. And he can't be faulted for it really, because it's Fred/Vash that are scheming, etc.

And the public are reminded, 3-4 days prior eviction, of Siavash cheating on his GF and backstabbing Marcus. Vash got pwned.

Nobody cares about Charlie getting angry outside the forum. Girls think it's 'cute'. :whistle:

[setanta]

What on earth will you two do when it's over and you have nothing left to argue about? ha ha

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by setanta

You've both lost the plot... watching far too much Big Brother and starved of normal fellas. lol

He's basically Mr. Potato Head with a wolly mane of hair and beard.

Woah, Mrs. Potato Head would not be happy to read that comment! :nono:

Anyway us girls need a fitty to watch, and we have been pretty much starved this year, Vash being the only option pretty much!

And does have a certain je ne sais quoi. :lovedup:

He's not all that and he's arrogant to boot. All I can say is god love you darling. I would show you a picture of myself in the hope I could wean you off this terrible affliction you're suffering from but I'd worry that you'd spontaneously combust or something and I couldn't have that on my conscience!! Ha ha
lol joker... dude forget siavash,i just saw kazaane on that thread :lovedup: damn its just a shame i already made a play for margery fan

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta
What on earth will you two do when it's over and you have nothing left to argue about? ha ha
Vicky will be partying with Charlie when he goes back up to Newcastle with the 100k cheque. :tongue:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
I would show you a picture of myself in the hope I could wean you off this terrible affliction you're suffering from but I'd worry that you'd spontaneously combust or something and I couldn't have that on my conscience!! Ha ha

Post your pic here: http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=130689&page=9

I have, maybe you're the one out of your league.

Wow, thanks for the link. Really interesting to see peoples faces cuz sometimes this can be quite a cold experience and you tend to forget that there's real people here with real lives, you know? I'm an artist so I love to observe faces.... can learn a great deal from them. Really thanks.

Yes thanks for that link Gypsy! Always nice to put faces to names! :thumbs:

You look exactly how I imagined you to look btw! :hug:

[setanta]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
I would show you a picture of myself in the hope I could wean you off this terrible affliction you're suffering from but I'd worry that you'd spontaneously combust or something and I couldn't have that on my conscience!! Ha ha

Post your pic here: http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=130689&page=9

I have, maybe you're the one out of your league.

Wow, thanks for the link. Really interesting to see peoples faces cuz sometimes this can be quite a cold experience and you tend to forget that there's real people here with real lives, you know? I'm an artist so I love to observe faces.... can learn a great deal from them. Really thanks.

Yes thanks for that link Gypsy! Always nice to put faces to names! :thumbs:

You look exactly how I imagined you to look btw! :hug:

Gypsy is there? I didn't see her... what page?

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta
What on earth will you two do when it's over and you have nothing left to argue about? ha ha
Vicky will be partying with Charlie when he goes back up to Newcastle with the 100k cheque. :tongue:

Not likely...I will be standing back watching him be bitchslapped a few times though no doubt.

I very much doubt he will be able to come out up here for a while, til it all calms down.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by setanta
Gypsy is there? I didn't see her... what page?

I'm on page 7 of 9 (for me). Posted on 20-8-2009 at 03:18 AM. (Have been told I look like a boy by some here).

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I very much doubt he will be able to come out up here for a while, til it all calms down.
Ohhh well he can always come to my house, my mum and sis love him, lol. My mum was laughing at Nana when she watched the LF I recorded from last night, today. I'm being serious, lol. :spin2:

[setanta]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
Gypsy is there? I didn't see her... what page?

I'm on page 7 of 9 (for me). Posted on 20-8-2009 at 03:18 AM. (Have been told I look like a boy by some here).

Don't be listening to those ejits. You look great.... wonderfully shaped eyes.... very thoughtful and penetrative stare.

[setanta]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

I very much doubt he will be able to come out up here for a while, til it all calms down.
Ohhh well he can always come to my house, my mum and sis love him, lol. My mum was laughing at Nana when she watched the LF I recorded from last night, today. I'm being serious, lol. :spin2:

As much as I agree with you on Siavash I have to disagree with you here.... the guys a class A muppet. Sorry.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by setanta
Gypsy is there? I didn't see her... what page?

I'm on page 7 of 9 (for me). Posted on 20-8-2009 at 03:18 AM. (Have been told I look like a boy by some here).

You don't look like a boy at all, and you've got lovely eyes! :hug:

[idontknow]

nothing really to explain, he said himself, he just didnt want it to be just him and marcus as he likes marcus and didnt want to be up against one of his favourite people in the house

[kisywisy]

what bothers me is what someone said earlier on in this thread. siavash claims he's not intereested in the gam, but he's constantly thinking about nominations etc. it screams fake to me!!

i really really hate the no nomination thing. i really do. noone likes nominating, but they all do it. it's not bb without the nominations. i don't want all the hm up every week. it's not the fair way to do it. it's bloody boring. there's no build up to who's going up. no villans or contravertial hm would be left by halfway and you'd be left with boring ****ers by the end.

i don't hate siavash but i really REALLY hate what he's been doing the last few weeks and i can't get past that. i really don't like marcus but i've voting out siavash

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

But that wouldn't look cool on TV, tactically voting to put David up and save himself. Especially after weeks of not wanting a free ride. So he couldn't really do this, in terms of public rep, and didn't ...

They'd gladly obey his request. They nommed him without request. Charlie even said that he should have done this, as per Marcus. Marcus did it no probs. Nobody ever battered an eyelid.
this is what you dont seem to get,they "nommed" him but he wasnt sure this was how they would vote,usually you have an idea that sophie would vote marcus or whatever,but no one really let on that they would nominate siavash.. all he wanted was to be up this week,he figured not nominating would give him the chance to do so,charlies not up so it shouldnt matter to him anyway..

all that happened is siavash made a decision that others wernt happy with so they all took turns ripping chunks out of him,although in hindsight he should have just wasted his noms on people he knew wouldnt be up therefore getting the same result,and probably would have saved him from tonights grilling..

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
You don't look like a boy at all, and you've got lovely eyes! :hug:

Thank you Kitty :hug:

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by idontknow
nothing really to explain, he said himself, he just didnt want it to be just him and marcus as he likes marcus and didnt want to be up against one of his favourite people in the house

but that's not up to him to decide!! it's up the the house as a whole, not sir siavash. he's trying to control the nomination results and that's ****ed up. he shouldn't have that power. he should have been chucked out the first time he refused

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by kisywisy
what bothers me is what someone said earlier on in this thread. siavash claims he's not intereested in the gam, but he's constantly thinking about nominations etc. it screams fake to me!!

i really really hate the no nomination thing. i really do. noone likes nominating, but they all do it. it's not bb without the nominations. i don't want all the hm up every week. it's not the fair way to do it. it's bloody boring. there's no build up to who's going up. no villans or contravertial hm would be left by halfway and you'd be left with boring ****ers by the end.

i don't hate siavash but i really REALLY hate what he's been doing the last few weeks and i can't get past that. i really don't like marcus but i've voting out siavash

surely siavash isnt the only one?marcus/freddie and lisa's clique did much the same scheming,i do find siavash's rants a little tedios at times,like hes talking in riddles but its been explained by those who leave the house,that with nothing else to do,your mind does tend to revert back to the game..

if charlie had a go at marcus for all his game planning and refusals to nominate then i would see his point,or even had a word with sophie,but he never raised anything with them,thats why i personally think siavash has every right to not nominate,just as the rest never got called out for their actions,why should siavash..

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
this is what you dont seem to get,they "nommed" him but he wasnt sure this was how they would vote,usually you have an idea that sophie would vote marcus or whatever,but no one really let on that they would nominate siavash.. all he wanted was to be up this week,he figured not nominating would give him the chance to do so,charlies not up so it shouldnt matter to him anyway..

all that happened is siavash made a decision that others wernt happy with so they all took turns ripping chunks out of him,although in hindsight he should have just wasted his noms on people he knew wouldnt be up therefore getting the same result,and probably would have saved him from tonights grilling..
He wasn't sure of anything but he had made calculations. He asked Marcus prior to heading into the DR, who he nominated. He had calculated figures in his head ... so had a good idea.

And yes, they weren't happy because it was part of his scheming. To be up for eviction, but to look heroic doing it, and ultimately for David to be used as a safety net as it's a 3-way.

As the thread title implies, he clearly wasn't prepared for a 1 vs 1 eviction. And even if it was to save Marcus incase Marcus got evicted, that's still trying to fix a result and using David as the safety net.

Btw, I think the above is very unlikely - Siavash cares only about himself. He ain't loyal. :rolleyes:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by kisywisy
but that's not up to him to decide!! it's up the the house as a whole, not sir siavash. he's trying to control the nomination results and that's ****** up. he shouldn't have that power. he should have been chucked out the first time he refused
He's fixing the noms to get an end result. A 3-way eviction. 'Perfect' ...

Just to look like a hero for putting himself up (but survive eviction anyway, David goes in his mind). Or, loyally 'save' Marcus from possible eviction in a 1 vs 1 against Vash (doubt Vash would care if Marcus went, but he'd be scared if it was just these 2 up!)

A 2-way eviction of Marcus vs Vash doesn't suit him (He goes, or Marcus goes)

A 2 way eviction of David vs Marcus doesn't suit him (He looks bad for putting Dave up and contradicting his 'no free rides, put me up' BS)

Poor David is the safety net being toyed with tactically. :nono:

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by tintedshadow
this is what you dont seem to get,they "nommed" him but he wasnt sure this was how they would vote,usually you have an idea that sophie would vote marcus or whatever,but no one really let on that they would nominate siavash.. all he wanted was to be up this week,he figured not nominating would give him the chance to do so,charlies not up so it shouldnt matter to him anyway..

all that happened is siavash made a decision that others wernt happy with so they all took turns ripping chunks out of him,although in hindsight he should have just wasted his noms on people he knew wouldnt be up therefore getting the same result,and probably would have saved him from tonights grilling..
He wasn't sure of anything but he had made calculations. He asked Marcus prior to heading into the DR, who he nominated. He had calculated figures in his head ... so had a good idea.

And yes, they weren't happy because it was part of his scheming. To be up for eviction, but to look heroic doing it, and ultimately for David to be used as a safety net as it's a 3-way.

As the thread title implies, he clearly wasn't prepared for a 1 vs 1 eviction. And even if it was to save Marcus incase Marcus got evicted, that's still trying to fix a result and using David as the safety net.

Btw, I think the above is very unlikely - Siavash cares only about himself. He ain't loyal. :rolleyes:

okay,once more ill break it down for you brother,when bea/david/marcus were up it was obvios marcus wasnt going,so when david stayed siavash figured david would be up again (for the same reasons he was up the first time,like with freddie being up on numerous occasions) so..siavash asked who marcus was nominating,had a fair idea of who may be up,so he wanted himself to be up so he made sure his nominations wernt counted,by not nominating.. as i have said before,he is not the only one to do this,so its not one rule for everyone,this is my issue..

furthermore i think its safe to say,most of those housemates only care for themselves so im not sure what your point was meant to be,but he did say to sophie he would rather marcus win so im not sure why you think he's not loyal,or for that matter why that is even rellevant to this topic..

[AhmedFan2004]

I agree with you tintedshadow, spot on. Our posts don't conflict.

But I was just stating for the record, I doubt he avoided the 1 vs 1 eviction with Marcus due to 'loyalty'. Like you said, they are all hungry and in it for themselves. Especially Vash.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
Originally posted by kisywisy
what bothers me is what someone said earlier on in this thread. siavash claims he's not intereested in the gam, but he's constantly thinking about nominations etc. it screams fake to me!!

i really really hate the no nomination thing. i really do. noone likes nominating, but they all do it. it's not bb without the nominations. i don't want all the hm up every week. it's not the fair way to do it. it's bloody boring. there's no build up to who's going up. no villans or contravertial hm would be left by halfway and you'd be left with boring ****ers by the end.

i don't hate siavash but i really REALLY hate what he's been doing the last few weeks and i can't get past that. i really don't like marcus but i've voting out siavash

surely siavash isnt the only one?marcus/freddie and lisa's clique did much the same scheming,i do find siavash's rants a little tedios at times,like hes talking in riddles but its been explained by those who leave the house,that with nothing else to do,your mind does tend to revert back to the game..

if charlie had a go at marcus for all his game planning and refusals to nominate then i would see his point,or even had a word with sophie,but he never raised anything with them,thats why i personally think siavash has every right to not nominate,just as the rest never got called out for their actions,why should siavash..

because it's siavash that started the whole non nomination thing and his reasons are pathetic and fake

[kisywisy]

can i also just say that if he knew that by not nominating he'd be giving sophie and charlie a nomination, WHY didn't he just nominate them??? it makes no sense at all

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by kisywisy
can i also just say that if he knew that by not nominating he'd be giving sophie and charlie a nomination, WHY didn't he just nominate them??? it makes no sense at all

What difference does it make? Either way would have the same effect :shrug:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

What difference does it make? Either way would have the same effect :shrug:
NO VICKY!

Because by not nominating it makes it look like he's purposefully trying to put himself up. Especially with that explanation at the start.

If he just went in, nommed Charlie and Sophie, it wouldn't appear like that at all - No heroic portrayal, no 'I don't want free ride' ethos in action, etc.

He had to do it this way, to look cool, and get a desired 3-way eviction.

[MissKittyFantastico]

I wish there was a banging head against wall emoticon on here.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
I wish there was a banging head against wall emoticon on here.

I know.

Tell me about it.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
I wish there was a banging head against wall emoticon on here.

Ask and you shall... http://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gif

[setanta]

Ahmed is right on all of this though darlings.... the guy is so intent on playing the honourable soul here.... cue projectile vomit at the screen for me.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
I wish there was a banging head against wall emoticon on here.

Ask and you shall... http://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gif

In that case....

http://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gif

Thank you! :laugh:

[Johann]

Originally posted by setanta
Ahmed is right on all of this though darlings.... the guy is so intent on playing the honourable soul here.... cue projectile vomit at the screen for me.

.....or maybe, he just wanted to go up! :thumbs2:

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

In that case....

http://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/2nsubzq_th.gif

Thank you! :laugh:

:laugh3:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by Johann
Originally posted by setanta
Ahmed is right on all of this though darlings.... the guy is so intent on playing the honourable soul here.... cue projectile vomit at the screen for me.

.....or maybe, he just wanted to go up! :thumbs2:

Oh God no, don't start us off on the bloody merry go round of an argument again! :laugh2:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta
Ahmed is right on all of this though darlings.... the guy is so intent on playing the honourable soul here.... cue projectile vomit at the screen for me.
They can't defeat me on logic and they know I'll always correct them. So they give up.

Vicky missed the point entirely again. She couldn't even figure out why Vash DIDN'T just nom Charlie and Sophie. :whistle:

Obvious as to why! But thanks setanta. :thumbs:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Johann

.....or maybe, he just wanted to go up! :thumbs2:
Yes, but not in a 2-way eviction, conveniently David needed to be in the mix. See thread title!

LOL, I best leave this thread, don't want to argue the same stuff over and over ...

[setanta]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta
Ahmed is right on all of this though darlings.... the guy is so intent on playing the honourable soul here.... cue projectile vomit at the screen for me.
They can't defeat me on logic and they know I'll always correct them. So they give up.

Vicky missed the point entirely again. She couldn't even figure out why Vash DIDN'T just nom Charlie and Sophie. :whistle:

Obvious as to why! But thanks setanta. :thumbs:

Only thing I'm agreeing with on though.... Charlie is a muppet. Don't want people to think I support him.

But yeah, everything you said about Siavash is right; they just don't want to see it.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
can i also just say that if he knew that by not nominating he'd be giving sophie and charlie a nomination, WHY didn't he just nominate them??? it makes no sense at all

What difference does it make? Either way would have the same effect :shrug:

exactly!! so why didn't he just nominate them?? to show that he doesn't back down?? to prove some sort of point??

[MissKittyFantastico]

I think it's more a case of you not actually being willing to admit you MIGHT actually be wrong about any aspect of the situation. It's not giving up, it's realising that you actually can't get your point across to some people.

Literally like banging your head against a brick wall.

None of us are mind readers, so none of us actually KNOW what Siavash is thinking or what his motives are, apart from him. We can only give our opinions, but you act as if your word is gospel or something.

And I really don't know why you seem to have a problem with Vicky. Why the need for the smug sarcasm?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by kisywisy

exactly!! so why didn't he just nominate them?? to show that he doesn't back down?? to prove some sort of point??
Because by not nominating it makes it look like he's purposefully trying to put himself up. Especially with that explanation at the start.

If he just went in, nommed Charlie and Sophie, it wouldn't appear like that at all - No heroic portrayal, no 'I don't want a free ride' ethos in action, etc.

He had to do it this way, to look cool, and get a desired 3-way eviction.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Johann

.....or maybe, he just wanted to go up! :thumbs2:
Yes, but not in a 2-way eviction, conveniently David needed to be in the mix. See thread title!

LOL, I best leave this thread, don't want to argue the same stuff over and over ...

But David did NOT need to be in the mix.

Like I keep saying, Siavash just wanted to be up himself, he was prepared for it to be a 2 way between himself or Marcus, OR a 3 way between himself, Marcus and David.

Why do you keep banging on about him wanting or needing David in the mix? Obviously it would be preferable to him not to be in a head to head but he didn't specifically plan for it to be a 3 way, if he did then he would have nominated David!

I'm so tired of this now but it's frustrating me. :laugh:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

And I really don't know why you seem to have a problem with Vicky. Why the need for the smug sarcasm?
Because if she can't figure out why he didn't just nominate Charlie and Sophie rather than 'not nominating', then she's missed the entire point.

How he wants to look like a hero by purposefully 'ensuring' that he gets put up. If he just nommed, he wouldn't look like a hero, or actively trying to put himself up. He'd be willing to potentially opt for the free ride - Going against all of his philosophy from the previous weeks.

That's why. And I'm sorry if you find me a brick wall. But that's because I've covered all the bases regarding Siavash and the conclusion is clear.

He's plotting, one way or another, most likely to make himself look heroic, AND, be safe.

[SurferJay]

i must say this thread has been quiet entertaining.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
But David did NOT need to be in the mix.

Like I keep saying, Siavash just wanted to be up himself, he was prepared for it to be a 2 way between himself or Marcus, OR a 3 way between himself, Marcus and David.

Why do you keep banging on about him wanting or needing David in the mix? Obviously it would be preferable to him not to be in a head to head but he didn't specifically plan for it to be a 3 way, if he did then he would have nominated David!

I'm so tired of this now but it's frustrating me. :laugh:
The Vash vs Marcus thing was unlikely though, by his calculations. Even Vicky admitted this. She explained in her thread - 3 noms each.

He wanted to be up himself but didn't want a guaranteed 1 vs 1 eviction. He did this in such a way as to look good and LIKELY for David to be up.

He can't nominate David because then it's obvious he did it tactically, doesn't want to be up, does want a free ride, etc - CONTRADICTING everything he's been building up for weeks on end. Would look BAD.

All bases covered. This may be the brick wall you detest so much. :rolleyes:

[SurferJay]

*quite

[UglyBoringMarcus]

vote the minger out - see 'evict minger' post

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta
Ahmed is right on all of this though darlings.... the guy is so intent on playing the honourable soul here.... cue projectile vomit at the screen for me.
They can't defeat me on logic and they know I'll always correct them. So they give up.

Vicky missed the point entirely again. She couldn't even figure out why Vash DIDN'T just nom Charlie and Sophie. :whistle:

Obvious as to why! But thanks setanta. :thumbs:
I gave up trying to explain last night,i think deep down they know the truth but their views are clouded by the "love" of Siavash.

[northernlight]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Johann

.....or maybe, he just wanted to go up! :thumbs2:
Yes, but not in a 2-way eviction, conveniently David needed to be in the mix. See thread title!

LOL, I best leave this thread, don't want to argue the same stuff over and over ...

But David did NOT need to be in the mix.

Like I keep saying, Siavash just wanted to be up himself, he was prepared for it to be a 2 way between himself or Marcus, OR a 3 way between himself, Marcus and David.

Why do you keep banging on about him wanting or needing David in the mix? Obviously it would be preferable to him not to be in a head to head but he didn't specifically plan for it to be a 3 way, if he did then he would have nominated David!

I'm so tired of this now but it's frustrating me. :laugh:


I agree with you, I have been trying to work it out. I definatly think Siavash wanted to be up this week and against marcus. He knows Marcus is popular having survived evictions, just like freddie was and he lost to Marcus. Siavash knows if Marcus goes and he stays he has a chance of winning. If not he would rather go this week and get his interviews etc than go in the last week when the focus is more on the winner and then come 2nd/3rd or wherever

My theory anyway, I hope he stays :thumbs:

[BBmassive]

EXACTLY ! Because he was lying when he said he didnt nominate because he wanted to go ,he wanted David up ,thinking he would go before him and Mucus ,if this is not the case why asked Mucus who he had voted for ?Charlie and Rod saw through this lie and spoke their mind

[minx36]

Heck 2 days running I agree with Ahmed, I hope Siavash gets his just deserts and is booted out!

[mother6]

Can someone explain to me why Siavash thinks by not nominating he was putting himself up for eviction?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by mother6
Can someone explain to me why Siavash thinks by not nominating he was putting himself up for eviction?
Because by his calculations, it would put himself and David on 3 votes, and hence both up with Marcus. He could have, by his calculations, nommed David and thus ensured David vs Marcus eviction.

But he was happy to go up, because it makes him look good, and he's safe is David is up.

3 Way Eviction + Looking Great = Result

[ange7]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
If anyone on TiBB has a working account on Digital Spy, would you mind copying and pasting this thread on there? The title and initial post. Thanks! Interesting to see how they squirm on there. :spin2:
no.... they already think we're idiots. :P

[AhmedFan2004]

If anyone on TiBB has a working account on Digital Spy, would you mind copying and pasting this thread on there? The title and initial post. Thanks! Interesting to see how they squirm on there. :spin2:

[ange7]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
If anyone on TiBB has a working account on Digital Spy, would you mind copying and pasting this thread on there? The title and initial post. Thanks! Interesting to see how they squirm on there. :spin2:
bigger font. .... you must be right then.

[Norf_London]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Johann

.....or maybe, he just wanted to go up! :thumbs2:
Yes, but not in a 2-way eviction, conveniently David needed to be in the mix. See thread title!

LOL, I best leave this thread, don't want to argue the same stuff over and over ...

But David did NOT need to be in the mix.

Like I keep saying, Siavash just wanted to be up himself, he was prepared for it to be a 2 way between himself or Marcus, OR a 3 way between himself, Marcus and David.

Why do you keep banging on about him wanting or needing David in the mix? Obviously it would be preferable to him not to be in a head to head but he didn't specifically plan for it to be a 3 way, if he did then he would have nominated David!

I'm so tired of this now but it's frustrating me. :laugh:



Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but when Siavash went into the diary room did he not say something along the lines of not wanting to nominate David because it would mean that it would be just him and Marcus up. And that if that happened he (Siavash) would probably go. I'm pretty sure that he did. And it explains why he wanted a 3 way.

[Becker]

So why didn't Siavash request everyone to nominate him, like Marcus did in the past?

Simple answer is I think he really is scared of being voted out. There was a time I thought different but not anymore. I don't hate him for it I just think he has to go now.

Not only this but he really let the side down and to a large degree ruined the way things were going with the whole Noirin / Marcus / Girlfriend thing.

Anyways ... I wish him all the best but I want him out this week.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Norf_London
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but when Siavash went into the diary room did he not say something along the lines of not wanting to nominate David because it would mean that it would be just him and Marcus up. And that if that happened he (Siavash) would probably go. I'm pretty sure that he did. And it explains why he wanted a 3 way.
No. He said that if he doesn't nom David, then that's a 3-way, effectively putting himself up. If he nommed David, by his calculations, that would mean avoiding eviction himself. David vs Marcus only.

So: He could have nommed David and thus Marcus vs David only.
OR: Not nominate David, and thus a 3-way eviction including Siavash himself

But his reasons for doing this, to put himself up, are very snake like. He wants to look good by putting himself up to the public, whilst using David as a safety net and actually scheming to win.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Becker
So why didn't Siavash request everyone to nominate him, like Marcus did in the past?

Simple answer is I think he really is scared of being voted out. There was a time I thought different but not anymore. I don't hate him for it I just think he has to go now.

Not only this but he really let the side down and to a large degree ruined the way things were going with the whole Noirin / Marcus / Girlfriend thing.

Anyways ... I wish him all the best but I want him out this week.
Better get voting hard then mate, gonna be a close one. Ring Ring Ring! Wooop! :thumbs:

[Becker]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Becker
So why didn't Siavash request everyone to nominate him, like Marcus did in the past?

Simple answer is I think he really is scared of being voted out. There was a time I thought different but not anymore. I don't hate him for it I just think he has to go now.

Not only this but he really let the side down and to a large degree ruined the way things were going with the whole Noirin / Marcus / Girlfriend thing.

Anyways ... I wish him all the best but I want him out this week.
Better get voting hard then mate, gonna be a close one. Ring Ring Ring! Wooop! :thumbs:

Way ahead on that one ; )

[ange7]

Originally posted by Norf_London
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Johann

.....or maybe, he just wanted to go up! :thumbs2:
Yes, but not in a 2-way eviction, conveniently David needed to be in the mix. See thread title!

LOL, I best leave this thread, don't want to argue the same stuff over and over ...

But David did NOT need to be in the mix.

Like I keep saying, Siavash just wanted to be up himself, he was prepared for it to be a 2 way between himself or Marcus, OR a 3 way between himself, Marcus and David.

Why do you keep banging on about him wanting or needing David in the mix? Obviously it would be preferable to him not to be in a head to head but he didn't specifically plan for it to be a 3 way, if he did then he would have nominated David!

I'm so tired of this now but it's frustrating me. :laugh:



Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but when Siavash went into the diary room did he not say something along the lines of not wanting to nominate David because it would mean that it would be just him and Marcus up. And that if that happened he (Siavash) would probably go. I'm pretty sure that he did. And it explains why he wanted a 3 way.
Your wrong sorry :P
He said "I don't want to non David because then it would be David Versus Marcus".

[AhmedFan2004]

Correct ange. He was putting himself up. But conveniently only in a 3-way. He's willing to look heroic for being up for eviction ... but only in a likely 3-way. NOT by asking others to nom him, and thus ensuring a 2-way eviction. I wonder why. :thumbs:

[AhmedFan2004]

Correct ange. He was putting himself up. But conveniently only in a 3-way. He's willing to look heroic for being up for eviction ... but only in a likely 3-way. NOT by asking others to nom him, and thus ensuring a 2-way eviction. I wonder why. :thumbs:

[ange7]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Correct ange. He was putting himself up. But conveniently only in a 3-way. He's willing to look heroic for being up for eviction ... but only in a likely 3-way. NOT by asking others to nom him, and thus ensuring a 2-way eviction. I wonder why. :thumbs:
" But conveniently only in a 3-way"
logic please? Where did he say he ONLY wants to go up in a 3 way?
And what could you possibly know about them :P.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by ange7
" But conveniently only in a 3-way"
logic please? Where did he say he ONLY wants to go up in a 3 way?
And what could you possibly know about them :P.
His calculations meant that David was up, so then it was his choice to join David or not. He chose to join David. But he could have avoided all of this by just asking HMs to put himself up against Marcus.

But he doesn't want a guaranteed 2-way eviction. :rolleyes:

[setanta]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Correct ange. He was putting himself up. But conveniently only in a 3-way. He's willing to look heroic for being up for eviction ... but only in a likely 3-way. NOT by asking others to nom him, and thus ensuring a 2-way eviction. I wonder why. :thumbs:
" But conveniently only in a 3-way"
logic please? Where did he say he ONLY wants to go up in a 3 way?
And what could you possibly know about them :P.

Cuz he's confident that David will go and it allows him to continue on his no-vote campaign, which has hoodwinked you all into thinking he's an honourable chap who cares not a jot about Big Brother, when in reality he's been playing the selfless martyr act in the hope of gaining more support. He's a bore.

[ange7]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by ange7
" But conveniently only in a 3-way"
logic please? Where did he say he ONLY wants to go up in a 3 way?
And what could you possibly know about them :P.
His calculations meant that David was up, so then it was his choice to join David or not. He chose to join David. But he could have avoided all of this by just asking HMs to put himself up against Marcus.

But he doesn't want a guaranteed 2-way eviction. :rolleyes:

But then you (and lisa and David and charlie.....etc) would have bitched about him trying to tell people how to nominate.
Nah he wants to be up.... not for pius reasons but so that if he gets in the final he'll know he earnt it.
Lisa EARNT it by continually poisoning the ears of all those meatheads. She worked her magic to all who would listen....Rod, Dav, Charlie. They all voted Marcus,Siavash. That ain't earning your way to the final.... that's called scheming and bullying your way there. Congrats Lisa.... what amazing power you have over the thick, selfish and stupid.

I hate that it's Siavash and Marcus who are up. They are both great. Would have loved to see any of these double talking muppets up against Siavash.

[ange7]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Correct ange. He was putting himself up. But conveniently only in a 3-way. He's willing to look heroic for being up for eviction ... but only in a likely 3-way. NOT by asking others to nom him, and thus ensuring a 2-way eviction. I wonder why. :thumbs:
" But conveniently only in a 3-way"
logic please? Where did he say he ONLY wants to go up in a 3 way?
And what could you possibly know about them :P.

Cuz he's confident that David will go and it allows him to continue on his no-vote campaign, which has hoodwinked you all into thinking he's an honourable chap who cares not a jot about Big Brother, when in reality he's been playing the selfless martyr act in the hope of gaining more support. He's a bore.
we weren't hoodwinked. Try not being so condescending and you might get more responses.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by ange7

But then you (and lisa and David and charlie.....etc) would have bitched about him trying to tell people how to nominate.
Don't be silly, Charlie said that they'd have put him up if he requested. And since they all nominated him WITHOUT request, then they would logically do so with request. He was fiddling noms either way (asking them to put him up, or putting himself up), but he intriguingly chose the 3-way option. Simple.

[AhmedFan2004]

Initial post updated, to make the entire issue CRYSTAL CLEAR. Concisely explained. :spin2:

[ange7]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by ange7

But then you (and lisa and David and charlie.....etc) would have bitched about him trying to tell people how to nominate.
Don't be silly, Charlie said that they'd have put him up if he requested. And since they all nominated him WITHOUT request, then they would logically do so with request. He was fiddling noms either way (asking them to put him up, or putting himself up), but he intriguingly chose the 3-way option. Simple.

Dont call me silly...nor get personal...can you manage that?

The point had nothing to do with whether Lisa's numpty alliance would or would not agree to vote Siavash out if he asked. The point is would they bitch and moan and complain if they were given the slightest opportunity? Given that they could twist it into him TELLING them how to vote then the answer is YES.

That is how people like Lisa operate... they moan through life complaining of how nothing is up to their standards and thereby finding an excuse to FAIL before they even get started.

[ange7]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Initial post updated, to make the entire issue CRYSTAL CLEAR. Concisely explained. :spin2:

how patronising is this dude?
lol
people who don't agree with you must "just not get it".

If you think I'm reading 7 pages of double talk you off your nut.

"yeah but no but yeah but..."

[pattiflat]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by Dezzy
He doesn't really wanna go, he just wants to play the hero to ensure that he wins. It's all very transparent.

Yep, exactly. Want's to play the windswept, kind natured voice of reason to us all while in reality he's always been rooted in the game, constantly deliberating and scheming. One of the biggest players in there and wouldn't believe anything he's saying. he is kind natured,if he wasnt he would have shouted at loudmouth two faced charlie last nite and the rest of them who were all having a go,but he kept calm cos its in his nature,as for this girlfriend,he had been seeing her for 4 weeks! marcus is the two facedone he has been backstabbing sia for weeks and does it at every time e can

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by pattiflat

Yep, exactly. Want's to play the windswept, kind natured voice of reason to us all while in reality he's always been rooted in the game, constantly deliberating and scheming. One of the biggest players in there and wouldn't believe anything he's saying. he is kind natured,if he wasnt he would have shouted at loudmouth two faced charlie last nite and the rest of them who were all having a go,but he kept calm cos its in his nature,as for this girlfriend,he had been seeing her for 4 weeks! marcus is the two facedone he has been backstabbing sia for weeks and does it at every time e can [/quote]
He's not friends with Siavash. Get rid of this concept ... FAST. :rolleyes:

[setanta]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Correct ange. He was putting himself up. But conveniently only in a 3-way. He's willing to look heroic for being up for eviction ... but only in a likely 3-way. NOT by asking others to nom him, and thus ensuring a 2-way eviction. I wonder why. :thumbs:
" But conveniently only in a 3-way"
logic please? Where did he say he ONLY wants to go up in a 3 way?
And what could you possibly know about them :P.

Cuz he's confident that David will go and it allows him to continue on his no-vote campaign, which has hoodwinked you all into thinking he's an honourable chap who cares not a jot about Big Brother, when in reality he's been playing the selfless martyr act in the hope of gaining more support. He's a bore.
we weren't hoodwinked. Try not being so condescending and you might get more responses.

But you obviously have been cuz you don't see anything wrong in what he does.

[pattiflat]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by ange7

But then you (and lisa and David and charlie.....etc) would have bitched about him trying to tell people how to nominate.
Don't be silly, Charlie said that they'd have put him up if he requested. And since they all nominated him WITHOUT request, then they would logically do so with request. He was fiddling noms either way (asking them to put him up, or putting himself up), but he intriguingly chose the 3-way option. Simple. i think bb have made a mistake by letting them talk about nominations,this means lisa and her cronies can discuss who to put up,like they obviously did this week,cos charlie said "How do you know that me lisa david and rodrigo havent nominated you" SO they obviously discussed it but bb wont show ,this to the public,if you look back siavash is the only housemate not to backstab anyone at all

[pattiflat]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Correct ange. He was putting himself up. But conveniently only in a 3-way. He's willing to look heroic for being up for eviction ... but only in a likely 3-way. NOT by asking others to nom him, and thus ensuring a 2-way eviction. I wonder why. :thumbs:
" But conveniently only in a 3-way"
logic please? Where did he say he ONLY wants to go up in a 3 way?
And what could you possibly know about them :P.

Cuz he's confident that David will go and it allows him to continue on his no-vote campaign, which has hoodwinked you all into thinking he's an honourable chap who cares not a jot about Big Brother, when in reality he's been playing the selfless martyr act in the hope of gaining more support. He's a bore.
we weren't hoodwinked. Try not being so condescending and you might get more responses.

But you obviously have been cuz you don't see anything wrong in what he does.

[pattiflat]

probably cos there is nothing wrong,you have your opinion and others have theirs

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta

But you obviously have been cuz you don't see anything wrong in what he does.
He does see it, he just doesn't want to accept it.

[setanta]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta

But you obviously have been cuz you don't see anything wrong in what he does.
He does see it, he just doesn't want to accept it.

They'll defend him to the death, even with his cheating and ability to throw people in the middle of crap... remember the lager thing with Tom? But they don't see any of it.

[pattiflat]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta

But you obviously have been cuz you don't see anything wrong in what he does.
He does see it, he just doesn't want to accept it.

They'll defend him to the death, even with his cheating and ability to throw people in the middle of cr*p... remember the la
ger thing with Tom? But they don't see any of it. cheating with a girl he had known for 4 weeks!if marcus is supposed to be vashes best mate,ifeel sorry for him he stabs siavash in the back every chance he has

[setanta]

Originally posted by pattiflat
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta

But you obviously have been cuz you don't see anything wrong in what he does.
He does see it, he just doesn't want to accept it.

They'll defend him to the death, even with his cheating and ability to throw people in the middle of cr*p... remember the la
ger thing with Tom? But they don't see any of it. cheating with a girl he had known for 4 weeks!if marcus is supposed to be vashes best mate,ifeel sorry for him he stabs siavash in the back every chance he has

Don't deflect things onto Marcus and nobody is terribly sure as to how long they were going out for which is basically irrelevant anyway. Going out is going out as far as I'm concerned.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by pattiflatif marcus is supposed to be vashes best mate,ifeel sorry for him he stabs siavash in the back every chance he has


Do NOT post messages all in capital letters. You are aware that this is against the rules.

[AhmedFan2004]

This gameplan is cunning, many people will not see this. A shame, as he is cleverly fooling the public AND HMs. He had a dual gameplan; Martyr + Victim. This, approaching final week, to push for £100k. Bare in mind, eviction this week or finishing 4th/5th next week, is trivial; it's about going for £100k.

Part 1 - Martyr

The idea here, is that he makes himself look like a martyr and a brave hero for putting himself up for the public vote. This is congruent to his 'No Free Rides', 'Anti-Scheming', 'Put Myself Up' ethos that he's been vocalising.

Based on his calculations that himself and David were on 3 noms each (turned out Rod fooled him though):

=> He could easily nom David, hence David vs Marcus eviction, saving himself. BUT; this contradicts the described ethos above. It makes himself look schemy and cowardly.

=> He can nom David and put himself up in a LIKELY 3-way eviction. Perfect; he looks awesome for taking the plunge, but also knows that David will get evicted. So he looks great but stays in the house - Part 1 Complete - Martyr

Part 2 - Victim

This was the cleverest part of it all IMO. Many FMs, including Siavash fans, realised what he was doing in Part 1. Trying to boost his popularity/appeal whilst using David as a safety net. But in this part, he really plays it well.

At the table, in casual conversation, he decides to tell Rodrigo out of the blue - Without prompt or questioning - That he decided not to nominate. But why do this ehhh?Everyone knows Rod's temper and how he hates not nominating, rule tampering. Rod PREDICTABLY reacted, and told everyone ...

Part 2 Completed - Everyone gets angry at him, and he keeps his calm and trys to defend himself, saying 'But I only put myself up; it doesn't affect you, I'm doing David a favour too, it's now 3 of us. What's the problem?'.

So now he looks like a martyr, getting victimised by Rod and Co. So Part 2 Complete - Victim

END RESULT:

He risks himself being up for eviction, 3 way, or even 2 way (as it so happened!) but done this to bolster his popularity and look awesome - A great plan to push for the £100k.

Why risk this? As I said at the start, getting evicted now or finishing 4th/5th next week; similar. It's now time to gun £100k; Vash style.

Gameplan Cracked. :thumbs:

[dixiebell1991]

he looks like he smells 'of arse'

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Correct ange. He was putting himself up. But conveniently only in a 3-way. He's willing to look heroic for being up for eviction ... but only in a likely 3-way. NOT by asking others to nom him, and thus ensuring a 2-way eviction. I wonder why. :thumbs:
i think "ange7" pretty much covered it but lets break it down..

what siavash said was,IF he nominated david it would be david/marcus going up,there for siavash would not get his chance to go up,he then thought perhaps he and marcus have enough nominations so by voting for david he would ensure a 3way,which would be less risky as he thinks marcus is more popular than him,he then said "**** it" and decided not to nominate,therefore not allowing david to be up so if it was to be a siavash/marcus affair then it would be fair if he goes.. nothing more..

to a point i agree it seems a little tedios the amount of time spent thinking through such things,but hes not the only one to do it,lisa/marcus/freddie always thinking about the game.. so siavash perhaps does talk about the game a fair bit..

the way he sees it,if he goes then fair play,but if he stays then atleast he would have been chosen to be in the final.sophie made much the same point and so have others on several occasions.. so in any case,siavash/marcus are up..who ever goes will atleast know they were hand picked by the public to be in the final..

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta

But you obviously have been cuz you don't see anything wrong in what he does.
He does see it, he just doesn't want to accept it.

lmao this double act with setanta needs to stop,brother you have your opinion and im not calling you ignorant,so kindly quit patronising those who have an opinion that differs from your own...

im pretty objective as it goes,and if siavash or whoever my favourite is had put a foot wrong i would be pretty quick to say so,but on this occasion,nit picking will get you no where.. siavash chose not to nominate just like marcus/sophie had planned to last week,no one want to jump in and call marcus a game player?okay then...

from my perspective being in a house where your being told when to get up,what to do and what not to do and generally having no control.every once in a while you may want a little bit of the control back, im sure when you was in school or in employment there are regulations that you might not have always followed,now this is a game show,so its not that big of a deal had siavash been the only housemate to ever break a rule,but he isnt anyway so why this need to character assasinate a housemate i dont know..

why didnt he ask everyone to nominate him?perhaps because they would all jump at the chance to attack him,or perhaps because he wants to be a hero.. had he been the only housemate to refuse to nominate you would have a point,but he isnt,so its foolish to think only siavash is the one game playing..

[AhmedFan2004]

Lot of 'perhaps' in your post. And Siavash wasn't risking much in his mind. He explicitly said in the DR:

1) "If I nominate David, I will definitely not go up this week. It will be David and Marcus. If I nominate David, it is likely that it's me, Marcus and David ... Or, just me and Marcus. Do you take a risk of going against Marcus on your own, which means I will probably go home. Or do I let it just be David and Marcus. No free rides Biggie ..."

2) "Marcus has like 4/5 votes, David has 3 votes probably, and I have 3 votes. So it'll be me, David and Marcus."

He's gunning for the £100k. Yes, the risk of a 1 vs 1 eviction was possible. But he was willing to take it. See my gameplan post - What difference does it make if he's evicted this week, or finishes 4th/5th?

He stepped up, took a calculated risk, to scheme to a £100k - fooling the public, thinking he's a martyr and a victim.

And ange never explained why Vash didn't ask HMs to nom him. Like you said, 'perhaps' this, 'perhaps' that. No solid alternative reasoning. Just annoyance from Vash fans. :whistle:

[MissKittyFantastico]

AhmedFan, can I just ask you why you seem to have this intense desire to expose Siavash's game plan, when pretty much EVERYONE in that house has one?

I'm just curious.

If Marcus was your favourite HM, and you were trying to sway people to voting Siavash out this week for that reason I could understand it somewhat.

But Lisa, who potentially has one of the biggest game plans in the house this year, is your favourite, and fair play to her btw for her game plan being so successful.

I just don't understand your motives for repeatedly making these posts about Siavash and not any other HM?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
AhmedFan, can I just ask you why you seem to have this intense desire to expose Siavash's game plan, when pretty much EVERYONE in that house has one?

I'm just curious.

If Marcus was your favourite HM, and you were trying to sway people to voting Siavash out this week for that reason I could understand it somewhat.

But Lisa, who potentially has one of the biggest game plans in the house this year, is your favourite, and fair play to her btw for her game plan being so successful.

I just don't understand your motives for repeatedly making these posts about Siavash and not any other HM?
Well what's wrong with me exposing it then? Why worry? If as you say, who cares, since they're all on a game-plan anyway?

If Lisa gets exposed (and slated ...) then why not expose Siavash?

My post is rather cleverly thought out IMO. You have to accept, it is a VERY cunning, deceiving gameplan, and he's acted totally in line with it.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
AhmedFan, can I just ask you why you seem to have this intense desire to expose Siavash's game plan, when pretty much EVERYONE in that house has one?

I'm just curious.

If Marcus was your favourite HM, and you were trying to sway people to voting Siavash out this week for that reason I could understand it somewhat.

But Lisa, who potentially has one of the biggest game plans in the house this year, is your favourite, and fair play to her btw for her game plan being so successful.

I just don't understand your motives for repeatedly making these posts about Siavash and not any other HM?

I know... he says its ok for Lisa to have a gameplan but vilifies Si for having one :conf:

I think he sees Siavash as competition against Charlie, as he said he has a bet placed on Charlie, therefore wants to get him out

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
I know... he says its ok for Lisa to have a gameplan but vilifies Si for having one :conf:
If Lisa's gameplans are exposed and whatnot, then I am entitled, and accurate, in doing the same with Siavash. I'm not going to hide it just so people are fooled and think he's a lovely, innocent hero. Sorry. :rolleyes:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Well what's wrong with me exposing it then? Why worry? If as you say, who cares, since they're all on a game-plan anyway?

If Lisa gets exposed (and slated ...) then why not expose Siavash?

My post is rather cleverly thought out IMO. You have to accept, it is a VERY cunning, deceiving gameplan, and he's acted totally in line with it.

I'm not saying that I'm worried, and in fact I do believe that yes, Siavash has a game plan, he's admitted as much in the past anyway so it's no big woop to me tbh.

You still didn't answer my question as to why you keep making these posts about Siavash IN PARTICULAR when you freely admit to other HM's having game plans too?

You do make good posts and very well worded and thought out, I'm not denying that.

I'm just intrigued to know what makes you post about certain HM's and not others? You did the same with Freddie and Bea and now Siavash. Why not do a positive post for change aboout your favourite HM Lisa?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
I'm not saying that I'm worried, and in fact I do believe that yes, Siavash has a game plan, he's admitted as much in the past anyway so it's no big woop to me tbh.

You still didn't answer my question as to why you keep making these posts about Siavash IN PARTICULAR when you freely admit to other HM's having game plans too?

You do make good posts and very well worded and thought out, I'm not denying that.

I'm just intrigued to know what makes you post about certain HM's and not others? You did the same with Freddie and Bea and now Siavash. Why not do a positive post for change aboout your favourite HM Lisa?
Because other gameplans are exposed and discussed, and those HMs slated accordingly. Sree and Lisa have had their FAIR share (:rolleyes:) of talk and slating on the forum. Very over the top, for weeks and weeks. Others get off lightly.

And of course, I do want Marcus to stay over Vash. I'm not denying that, and not denying that there's a sense of timing to my posts.

And yes, positive posts about Lisa, will come in due course - timing. Ultimately we want our faves to win, and 'enemies (lol) to go.

But like I said, if x HM gets exposed and slated, and y HM does as well, then any other should get the same treatment; if the evidence is there and they are worthy of that type of discussion.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Because other gameplans are exposed and discussed, and those HMs slated accordingly. Sree and Lisa have had their FAIR share (:rolleyes:) of talk and slating on the forum. Very over the top, for weeks and weeks. Others get off lightly.

And of course, I do want Marcus to stay over Vash. I'm not denying that, and not denying that there's a sense of timing to my posts.

And yes, positive posts about Lisa, will come in due course - timing. Ultimately we want our faves to win, and 'enemies (lol) to go.

But like I said, if x HM gets exposed and slated, and y HM does as well, then any other should get the same treatment; if the evidence is there and they are worthy of that type of discussion.

Well in that case, fair enough, and I get where you are coming from now. Thank you for answering my question!

I was really just interested in your reasons.

It's just you do get so many blind hatred posts on here, and some people can't back them up with any real motive or reasoning. That's why I was interested to know your motives.

It's all good. But I still hope The Vash stays on Friday!

:laugh::wink:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Well in that case, fair enough, and I get where you are coming from now. Thank you for answering my question!

I was really just interested in your reasons.

It's just you do get so many blind hatred posts on here, and some people can't back them up with any real motive or reasoning. That's why I was interested to know your motives.

It's all good. But I still hope The Vash stays on Friday!

:laugh::wink:
Good night and take care. :spin2:

To put a lighter spin on things ... whoever stays, is up in the Tuesday eviction anyway and likely to go (against Sophie I imagine).

Ohhh well. :tongue:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Well in that case, fair enough, and I get where you are coming from now. Thank you for answering my question!

I was really just interested in your reasons.

It's just you do get so many blind hatred posts on here, and some people can't back them up with any real motive or reasoning. That's why I was interested to know your motives.

It's all good. But I still hope The Vash stays on Friday!

:laugh::wink:
Good night and take care. :spin2:

To put a lighter spin on things ... whoever stays, is up in the Tuesday eviction anyway and likely to go (against Sophie I imagine).

Ohhh well. :tongue:

Oh you just HAD to didn't you?! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

So are the HM's definitely nominating again? It's not vote to win after Friday?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Oh you just HAD to didn't you?! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

So are the HM's definitely nominating again? It's not vote to win after Friday?
That's the conscensus at the mo, there's an article about it on Big Brother Online site, saying this, and they are reputably very accurate. Nobody has come out and provided proof against it, it seems.

Time will tell, but from what I've read on DS and even on here, they are gonna nominate for one final time this weekend. Probs Sat.

We shall see. Another money spinner by BB. Another eviction AND Vote to Win, rather than a Vote to Win only; then eliminating last placed HM.

LOL, makes sense. :rolleyes:

[SurferJay]

[i] To put a lighter spin on things ... whoever stays, is up in the Tuesday eviction anyway and likely to go (against Sophie I imagine).

Ohhh well. :tongue:

OP, Big brother will not let two favourites go up again on tuesday. They need some popular HM's for the final.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by BigBrotherFan01
OP, Big brother will not let two favourites go up again on tuesday. They need some popular HM's for the final.
Time will tell, but the buzz at the mo is another round of Noms. Unless they let them nom, and then fiddle with it somehow ...

[SurferJay]

[i]

Time will tell, but the buzz at the mo is another round of Noms. Unless they let them nom, and then fiddle with it somehow ...

Yes, there will be a twist. Im relatively certain Big Brother will not be letting Sophie or whoever stays this week get evicted as then there will be no doubt who will win the final.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by BigBrotherFan01

Yes, there will be a twist. Im relatively certain Big Brother will not be letting Sophie or whoever stays this week get evicted as then there will be no doubt who will win the final.
Perhaps. But Sophie would stay against Vash/Marcus anyway. More fans AND less haters. She's mega popular with chavs/general public too. It's an effective way of an all Team Lisa final. :rolleyes:

[SurferJay]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Perhaps. But Sophie would stay against Vash/Marcus anyway. More fans AND less haters. She's mega popular with chavs/general public too. It's an effective way of an all Team Lisa final. :rolleyes:

Im not saying she wouldnt stay.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by BigBrotherFan01
Im not saying she wouldnt stay.
You're right, I misinterpeted your post. But they have to get rid of a HM on Tuesday. Maybe they are saving David for the Final Night, ROFL. :spin:

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Lot of 'perhaps' in your post. And Siavash wasn't risking much in his mind. He explicitly said in the DR:


And ange never explained why Vash didn't ask HMs to nom him. Like you said, 'perhaps' this, 'perhaps' that. No solid alternative reasoning. Just annoyance from Vash fans. :whistle:

brother,the reason i choose to put "perhaps" in my post,is because i dont consider myself arrogant enough to read siavash's mind,nor do i say i have solid reasoning,mine just makes more sense while you twist each event to suit your agenda..

its fine.. but just for you i shall give you an answer with solid reasoning..

the reason siavash did not ask for housemates to nominate him is he knew they would only see this as game playing and use this as an excuse to attack him further,so he decided to rely solely on himself,and put himself up... THIS IS FACT,i have seen this in siavash's journal..

that okay for you?or do i need to compile more evidence?perhaps a recording of siavash's brain waves?a poly graph test?

no matter how long you protest,all you have,is a overly analysed theory,nothing more...

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
the reason siavash did not ask for housemates to nominate him is he knew they would only see this as game playing and use this as an excuse to attack him further,so he decided to rely solely on himself,and put himself up... THIS IS FACT,i have seen this in siavash's journal..
But he ended up game playing anyway. He even told Rodrigo about it, hence the ensuing row. Your theory would only make sense if he kept quiet about his decisions in the DR, hence no problems.

When Charlie confronted him about why he didn't ask them to put him up, he actually gave some spiel about it not being fair on Marcus. (?)

And like I said, why would the HMs care, if they were gonna nominate him anyway? If Lisa, Charlie and David were deffo nominating him, what DIFFERENCE does it make if he requests it?

Your theory would only make sense if Siavash actually kept quiet about it all, to avoid 'game-play' accusations, etc. But he didn't keep quiet. :whistle:

[AhmedFan2004]

LOL, this was omitted from the HLs show, VERY VERY bizarre of BB - NOMINATIONS ANNOUNCEMENT!

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/52b4b2cab61645a4b3beb436c28658dd/play.c4

Siavash's schemes didn't work ... hehehehe! :spin:

[AhmedFan2004]

***** ATTENTION EVERYONE WHO WANTS SIAVASH OUT! *****


It is possible, esp in a 24 hour vote, that Lisa and Charlie votes SPLIT, leaving Siavash vulnerable to be evicted.

Please ring to evict Siavash and get him out! :dance: