Is Marcus exploiting his fans?

[MassiveTruck]

Is Marcus exploiting his fans?

I read this on the Digital Spy forum and it went for interesting reading.

He is obviously making money from this, lots of it but is it exploitation? The fact that he has made over a thousand pounds off complete tat does show exploitation especially after he decided to put foul mouthed letters on Ebay as well which are also making money.

I know some would say if people are willing to pay the money, they should pay it but if someone is willing to exploit people, should they exploit them?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Hell yah...yer know yer would! Its market forces not exploitation:thumbs:

[Vicky.]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Cmon now people buy that s*** out of sunday magazines (you know what I mean pure zirconia plates with an egyptian on etc lol)....people will spend there money on s*** till the end of time, what can yer do?! EDIT: I apologise if anyone actually owns any limited edition crap as mentioned lol

[MassiveTruck]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth crap and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

[cleaner67]

It`s a case of supply and demand, people obviously want to own these things including the abusive letters.

[MassiveTruck]

Cmon now people buy that s*** out of sunday magazines (you know what I mean pure zirconia plates with an egyptian on etc lol)....people will spend there money on s*** till the end of time, what can yer do?! EDIT: I apologise if anyone actually owns any limited edition cr*p as mentioned lol

But here we have a face for the crap seller.

[NettoSuperstar!]

People pay to get shat on! Maybe they get off on abusive letters from Marcus...who knows?

[Vicky.]

Cmon now people buy that s*** out of sunday magazines (you know what I mean pure zirconia plates with an egyptian on etc lol)....people will spend there money on s*** till the end of time, what can yer do?! EDIT: I apologise if anyone actually owns any limited edition cr*p as mentioned lol

Exactly.

[Vicky.]

I dont get why you have a problem with it.

His fans asked him to do it, he did it, they are now bidding for worthless stuff.

Simple as. They asked, and got what they asked for.

[MassiveTruck]

People pay to get shat on! Maybe they get off on abusive letters from Marcus...who knows?


LOL... I would like to agree with this one and I shall.

[NettoSuperstar!]

LoL

[Vicky.]

People pay to get shat on! Maybe they get off on abusive letters from Marcus...who knows?

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[setanta]

Personally, I have no sympathy for anyone who's willing to pay that kinda money for a piece of worthless junk; it's hardly a good investment is it? It can be argued that

Marcus is exploiting the public to a certain extent but in a capitalistic society isn't that something to be pursued? I don't see anything different to what he's doing than many

companies or persons do when they want to reap the maximum returns possible on any event or product, the product this time being Marcus who'll inevitably have a short

life span in the public realm anyway and he might as well get some extra cash while he's around.

One thing though: did he earn anything off Big Brother for the three months he spent in that house and while there's people out there who'll pay, shouldn't he be allowed to

make a little while he can? I mean if you're willing to point a finger at him and his code of ethics I think there's bigger fish to fry in today's society. I think we should cut him some slack here.

[MassiveTruck]

Personally, I have no sympathy for anyone who's willing to pay that kinda money for a piece of worthless junk; it's hardly a good investment is it? It can be argued that Marcus is exploiting the public to a certain extent but in a capitalistic society isn't that something to be pursued? I don't see anything different to what he's doing than many companies or persons do when they want to reap the maximum returns possible on any event or product, the product this time being Marcus who'll inevitably have a short life span in the public realm anyway and he might as well get some extra cash while he's around.

One thing though: did he earn anything off Big Brother for the three months he spent in that house and while there's people out there who'll pay, shouldn't he be allowed to make a little while he can? I mean if you're willing to point a finger at him and his code of ethics I think there's bigger fish to fry in today's society. I think we should cut him some slack here.

I think they get 30 quid a day and he was in there for like 90 days so he probably got 2700 quid when he left the house.


If you think about it... it's not that bad is it. You get board, food - it's fairly boring but 2700 quid for 90 days

Well 210 pound a week and bills and such are paid for...

[setanta]

Personally, I have no sympathy for anyone who's willing to pay that kinda money for a piece of worthless junk; it's hardly a good investment is it? It can be argued that Marcus is exploiting the public to a certain extent but in a capitalistic society isn't that something to be pursued? I don't see anything different to what he's doing than many companies or persons do when they want to reap the maximum returns possible on any event or product, the product this time being Marcus who'll inevitably have a short life span in the public realm anyway and he might as well get some extra cash while he's around.

One thing though: did he earn anything off Big Brother for the three months he spent in that house and while there's people out there who'll pay, shouldn't he be allowed to make a little while he can? I mean if you're willing to point a finger at him and his code of ethics I think there's bigger fish to fry in today's society. I think we should cut him some slack here.

I think they get 30 quid a day and he was in there for like 90 days so he probably got 2700 quid when he left the house.


If you think about it... it's not that bad is it. You get board, food - it's fairly boring but 2700 quid for 90 days

Well 210 pound a week and bills and such are paid for...

Not bad I suppose for lying around scratching your arse half the time. Still though, this kinda exploitation happens all the time in our society and on a far bigger scale so it wouldn't be fair to target Marcus, even if you do have a problem with the fundamental concept and motivation behind it all.

[Cybele]

Exploitation? If you use the definition of the word: to use something for profit, then EVERY person on big brother is guilty of it. They have all used Big Brother for their profit. However, does that make them bad people? No. If no one wanted to watch Big Brother, they wouldn't benefit. If no one was willing to buy memorabilia, then it wouldn't matter what Marcus sold as no one would buy it. He is offering what people want. He is no more exploitive (in the negative sense you implied) than Sainsbury or Wilkos or whatever. Supply and demand.

[yousoboo!]

lol @ fans

[Nigeria_Bob]

Lidl's is exploiting shoppers.

[nut]

is david beckham exploiting his fans that buy is sh*t? eg a david beckham football top £50 no under cutting thats the price you pay- full stop!

marcus akin put's somthing on ebay for 99 *******ing pence! marcus does not know what its worth or how much it is going to fetch does he? he might have made sod all for all he knew? at the end of the day it's up to the person who wants it the most, no one is saying you have to bid on it are they? so how the ******* is it exploiting anyone? they know what they are getting if they want to pay that for somthing then that up to them.

I and every *******er on this forum would do the same! If i could get a £1,000 for a toy key or a pice of paper then i and anyone else would do the same any ******* that say's otherwise is talking through they'er arse! OP you fail exploitation FFS you need to look the definition up for Exploiting PMSL i cant belive i read the OP's post what a load of boll*cks! it is so sad it's *******ing laughable ROFL, we know you hate marcus, but come on FFS you are just being a dick head now

[MassiveTruck]

is david beckham exploiting his fans that buy is sh*t? eg a david beckham football top £50 no under cutting thats the price you pay- full stop!

marcus akin put's somthing on ebay for 99 *******ing pence! marcus does not know what its worth or how much it is going to fetch does he? he might have made sod all for all he knew? at the end of the day it's up to the person who wants it the most, no one is saying you have to bid on it are they? so how the ******* is it exploiting anyone? they know what they are getting if they want to pay that for somthing then that up to them.

I and every *******er on this forum would do the same! If i could get a £1,000 for a toy key or a pice of paper then i and anyone else would do the same any ******* that say's otherwise is talking through they'er arse! OP you fail exploitation FFS you need to look the definition up for Exploiting PMSL i cant belive i read the OP's post what a load of boll*cks! it is so sad it's *******ing laughable ROFL, we know you hate marcus, but come on FFS you are just being a dick head now

You see... it becomes exploitation when you are taking someone's hard earned cash for something that it isn't even worth.

And when you say everybody in this forum would do the same, you are wrong. I wouldn't... oh sorry, you said every ****er would do the same... well maybe every ****er would but I'm not a ****er.

Speak for yourself.

Also, you start at the lowest price going to get the biggest return, since ebay fees go by the selling rate. It was advertised via Marcus fans which he exploits since they're fairly sad and pathetic admiring him. I think he knows that. He's a sad loser with no money and he needs to take advantage of people who only like him because they disliked Sree for liking Noirin and Lisa for being friends with Noirin and it was his pathetic obsessive self since he can't get a shag, that got him all loser like with Noirin.

So they are admiring somebody because he can't get a woman.

[nut]

Personally, I have no sympathy for anyone who's willing to pay that kinda money for a piece of worthless junk; it's hardly a good investment is it? It can be argued that Marcus is exploiting the public to a certain extent but in a capitalistic society isn't that something to be pursued? I don't see anything different to what he's doing than many companies or persons do when they want to reap the maximum returns possible on any event or product, the product this time being Marcus who'll inevitably have a short life span in the public realm anyway and he might as well get some extra cash while he's around.

One thing though: did he earn anything off Big Brother for the three months he spent in that house and while there's people out there who'll pay, shouldn't he be allowed to make a little while he can? I mean if you're willing to point a finger at him and his code of ethics I think there's bigger fish to fry in today's society. I think we should cut him some slack here.

I think they get 30 quid a day and he was in there for like 90 days so he probably got 2700 quid when he left the house.


If you think about it... it's not that bad is it. You get board, food - it's fairly boring but 2700 quid for 90 days

Well 210 pound a week and bills and such are paid for...david beckham gets £100,000+ for 90minutes on a football pitch your point is? they are both entertainers you pay to watch or you dont its up to you! is david beckham entitled to more money than marcus akin when both of them are in the public eye? when someone is famous thats what happens people pay good money for them they become a brand, its the perks of the job of being famous eg they can sell thing for a higher price than what you or i can it all to do with marketing DB might wear adidas boots, adidas will give DB £5 million a year they think he is worth it is DB exploiting adidas?

[MassiveTruck]

Personally, I have no sympathy for anyone who's willing to pay that kinda money for a piece of worthless junk; it's hardly a good investment is it? It can be argued that Marcus is exploiting the public to a certain extent but in a capitalistic society isn't that something to be pursued? I don't see anything different to what he's doing than many companies or persons do when they want to reap the maximum returns possible on any event or product, the product this time being Marcus who'll inevitably have a short life span in the public realm anyway and he might as well get some extra cash while he's around.

One thing though: did he earn anything off Big Brother for the three months he spent in that house and while there's people out there who'll pay, shouldn't he be allowed to make a little while he can? I mean if you're willing to point a finger at him and his code of ethics I think there's bigger fish to fry in today's society. I think we should cut him some slack here.

I think they get 30 quid a day and he was in there for like 90 days so he probably got 2700 quid when he left the house.


If you think about it... it's not that bad is it. You get board, food - it's fairly boring but 2700 quid for 90 days

Well 210 pound a week and bills and such are paid for...david beckham gets £100,000+ for 90minutes on a football pitch your point is? they are both entertainers you pay to watch or you dont its up to you! is david beckham entitled to more money than marcus akin when both of them are in the public eye? when someone is famous thats what happens people pay good money for them they become a brand, its the perks of the job of being famous eg they can sell thing for a higher price than what you or i can it all to do with marketing DB might wear adidas boots, adidas will give DB £5 million a year they think he is worth it is DB exploiting adidas?

Horses for courses but if you do the maths - David Beckham is far more value for money in terms of market return as he entertains billions around the world.

Marcus entertains 20 people on DS.

[nut]

is david beckham exploiting his fans that buy is sh*t? eg a david beckham football top £50 no under cutting thats the price you pay- full stop!

marcus akin put's somthing on ebay for 99 *******ing pence! marcus does not know what its worth or how much it is going to fetch does he? he might have made sod all for all he knew? at the end of the day it's up to the person who wants it the most, no one is saying you have to bid on it are they? so how the ******* is it exploiting anyone? they know what they are getting if they want to pay that for somthing then that up to them.

I and every *******er on this forum would do the same! If i could get a £1,000 for a toy key or a pice of paper then i and anyone else would do the same any ******* that say's otherwise is talking through they'er arse! OP you fail exploitation FFS you need to look the definition up for Exploiting PMSL i cant belive i read the OP's post what a load of boll*cks! it is so sad it's *******ing laughable ROFL, we know you hate marcus, but come on FFS you are just being a dick head now

You see... it becomes exploitation when you are taking someone's hard earned cash for something that it isn't even worth.

And when you say everybody in this forum would do the same, you are wrong. I wouldn't... oh sorry, you said every ****er would do the same... well maybe every ****er would but I'm not a ****er.

Speak for yourself.

Also, you start at the lowest price going to get the biggest return, since ebay fees go by the selling rate. It was advertised via Marcus fans which he exploits since they're fairly sad and pathetic admiring him. I think he knows that. He's a sad loser with no money and he needs to take advantage of people who only like him because they disliked Sree for liking Noirin and Lisa for being friends with Noirin and it was his pathetic obsessive self since he can't get a shag, that got him all loser like with Noirin.

So they are admiring somebody because he can't get a woman.you talk rubbish if you could sell a pice of A4 paper on ebay for £50 no braking the law you are telling me you would not do it? i tell you now 100% yes you would and if you did not then you are a bigger fool than i thought.

[shaz20]

I dont get why you have a problem with it.

His fans asked him to do it, he did it, they are now bidding for worthless stuff.

Simple as. They asked, and got what they asked for.
This :thumbs: Massive you have a massive problem with Marcus.
His fans don't, they want this stuff, they are willing to pay for it. If they thought they were being exploited the stuff would sit there on e bay unsold, simple as!

[MassiveTruck]

is david beckham exploiting his fans that buy is sh*t? eg a david beckham football top £50 no under cutting thats the price you pay- full stop!

marcus akin put's somthing on ebay for 99 *******ing pence! marcus does not know what its worth or how much it is going to fetch does he? he might have made sod all for all he knew? at the end of the day it's up to the person who wants it the most, no one is saying you have to bid on it are they? so how the ******* is it exploiting anyone? they know what they are getting if they want to pay that for somthing then that up to them.

I and every *******er on this forum would do the same! If i could get a £1,000 for a toy key or a pice of paper then i and anyone else would do the same any ******* that say's otherwise is talking through they'er arse! OP you fail exploitation FFS you need to look the definition up for Exploiting PMSL i cant belive i read the OP's post what a load of boll*cks! it is so sad it's *******ing laughable ROFL, we know you hate marcus, but come on FFS you are just being a dick head now

You see... it becomes exploitation when you are taking someone's hard earned cash for something that it isn't even worth.

And when you say everybody in this forum would do the same, you are wrong. I wouldn't... oh sorry, you said every ****er would do the same... well maybe every ****er would but I'm not a ****er.

Speak for yourself.

Also, you start at the lowest price going to get the biggest return, since ebay fees go by the selling rate. It was advertised via Marcus fans which he exploits since they're fairly sad and pathetic admiring him. I think he knows that. He's a sad loser with no money and he needs to take advantage of people who only like him because they disliked Sree for liking Noirin and Lisa for being friends with Noirin and it was his pathetic obsessive self since he can't get a shag, that got him all loser like with Noirin.

So they are admiring somebody because he can't get a woman.you talk rubbish if you could sell a pice of A4 paper on ebay for £50 no braking the law you are telling me you would not do it? i tell you now 100% yes you would and if you did not then you are a bigger fool than i thought.

What car would I be driving if I were to brake the law?

[shaz20]

P.S. I am NOT a "Marcus fan"

[MassiveTruck]

I dont get why you have a problem with it.

His fans asked him to do it, he did it, they are now bidding for worthless stuff.

Simple as. They asked, and got what they asked for.
This :thumbs: Massive you have a massive problem with Marcus.
His fans don't, they want this stuff, they are willing to pay for it. If they thought they were being exploited the stuff would sit there on e bay unsold, simple as!

You don't know if you're being exploited if you are.

I don't have a massive problem with him? That's not fair.

What if I said you have a massive problem in accepting that people have an opinion on the show?

Well?

[nut]

Personally, I have no sympathy for anyone who's willing to pay that kinda money for a piece of worthless junk; it's hardly a good investment is it? It can be argued that Marcus is exploiting the public to a certain extent but in a capitalistic society isn't that something to be pursued? I don't see anything different to what he's doing than many companies or persons do when they want to reap the maximum returns possible on any event or product, the product this time being Marcus who'll inevitably have a short life span in the public realm anyway and he might as well get some extra cash while he's around.

One thing though: did he earn anything off Big Brother for the three months he spent in that house and while there's people out there who'll pay, shouldn't he be allowed to make a little while he can? I mean if you're willing to point a finger at him and his code of ethics I think there's bigger fish to fry in today's society. I think we should cut him some slack here.

I think they get 30 quid a day and he was in there for like 90 days so he probably got 2700 quid when he left the house.


If you think about it... it's not that bad is it. You get board, food - it's fairly boring but 2700 quid for 90 days

Well 210 pound a week and bills and such are paid for...david beckham gets £100,000+ for 90minutes on a football pitch your point is? they are both entertainers you pay to watch or you dont its up to you! is david beckham entitled to more money than marcus akin when both of them are in the public eye? when someone is famous thats what happens people pay good money for them they become a brand, its the perks of the job of being famous eg they can sell thing for a higher price than what you or i can it all to do with marketing DB might wear adidas boots, adidas will give DB £5 million a year they think he is worth it is DB exploiting adidas?

Horses for courses but if you do the maths - David Beckham is far more value for money in terms of market return as he entertains billions around the world.

Marcus entertains 20 people on DS.well there you go then a few K for a toy key and a signed letter that some of his 23,000 fans on twitter asked him for is a small price to pay! the same as DB gets millions for entertaining the masses around the world good for him! the world still turns its not exploitation.

marcus was asked and is still being asked to put things on ebay so that his fans can bid on.

have you ever bought a DVD or CD? or a poster? millions around the world do every day some or all that money goes to the performer of the film, cd or poster marcus is a performer if he was not do you think he could sell a toy key or a pice of paper for 1,000s if he was just some bloke off the street? he spent 13 weeks with millions whatching him he entertained people like him or hate him he is doing nothing wrong or different to any other famous person making money from his fame

please look up the definition exploiting :rolleyes:

[MassiveTruck]

Personally, I have no sympathy for anyone who's willing to pay that kinda money for a piece of worthless junk; it's hardly a good investment is it? It can be argued that Marcus is exploiting the public to a certain extent but in a capitalistic society isn't that something to be pursued? I don't see anything different to what he's doing than many companies or persons do when they want to reap the maximum returns possible on any event or product, the product this time being Marcus who'll inevitably have a short life span in the public realm anyway and he might as well get some extra cash while he's around.

One thing though: did he earn anything off Big Brother for the three months he spent in that house and while there's people out there who'll pay, shouldn't he be allowed to make a little while he can? I mean if you're willing to point a finger at him and his code of ethics I think there's bigger fish to fry in today's society. I think we should cut him some slack here.

I think they get 30 quid a day and he was in there for like 90 days so he probably got 2700 quid when he left the house.


If you think about it... it's not that bad is it. You get board, food - it's fairly boring but 2700 quid for 90 days

Well 210 pound a week and bills and such are paid for...david beckham gets £100,000+ for 90minutes on a football pitch your point is? they are both entertainers you pay to watch or you dont its up to you! is david beckham entitled to more money than marcus akin when both of them are in the public eye? when someone is famous thats what happens people pay good money for them they become a brand, its the perks of the job of being famous eg they can sell thing for a higher price than what you or i can it all to do with marketing DB might wear adidas boots, adidas will give DB £5 million a year they think he is worth it is DB exploiting adidas?

Horses for courses but if you do the maths - David Beckham is far more value for money in terms of market return as he entertains billions around the world.

Marcus entertains 20 people on DS.well there you go then a few K for a toy key and a signed letter that some of his 23,000 fans on twitter asked him for is a small price to pay! the same as DB gets millions for entertaining the masses around the world good for him! the world still turns its not exploitation.

marcus was asked and is still being asked to put things on ebay so that his fans can bid on.

have you ever bought a DVD or CD? or a poster? millions around the world do every day some or all that money goes to the performer of the film, cd or poster marcus is a performer if he was not do you think he could sell a toy key or a pice of paper for 1,000s if he was just some bloke off the street? he spent 13 weeks with millions whatching him he entertained people like him or hate him he is doing nothing wrong or different to any other famous person making money from his fame

please look up the definition exploiting :rolleyes:

You seem to ignore what is being said.

Others, film makers, artists, actors - actually give something worth the product. You get the film and you pay for about 1000 people who made the film? Yes - do you comprehend that or do you just like to make innacurate sweeping statements?

Marcus, yes - is selling a pile of junk, something that is worth about a pound... for over 1000 pounds. People are buying it because they think Marcus is special and like some cult guru. They have applied a glittering, fake, glamorous persona on him.

You, laughably, compare him to David Beckham who is one of the greatest footballers to have ever adorned this planet. David Beckham (as you so ridiculously state "there you go") entertains billions around the world. Regularly... he is a market driven brand.

Marcus... is selling one object to one person only. Only one person can gain this product. Yes? Do you understand?

The exploitation is - it is worth nothing. It isn't worth the entertainment value that David Beckham or Film makers give. Is that understandable... yes?

Let me paint a better picture. Like exploiting child labour. Basically, a child in slave labour makes about 20 quid a month for something sold for far more? OK? Marcus is doing the same... he is exploiting something that is fashioned from Lisa, Sree - because he fancied Noirin... people admire him because they hate somebody else.

He swears... wow... but that's not the reason. It is a amplified view of somebody he is not. He lost at arm wrestling against Tom. He is not strong - he got beaten at that as well... He is not what he seems. The basis is if you have a brain, if you can understand this - he is not what he seems. It is a fabrication that you have to be "exploited" operative word, exploited - to buy into the illusion - you have to be delusional to buy into it.

You just shout, scream, post badly written posts with bad spelling and talk about exploitation like you really have a hold on to it.

Do you know actual artists give away stuff to fans all the time. They send letters to fans all the time. Do you know how much they do it for? They do it for free.

Do you understand the exploitation now?

Here is the definition, personally, for you.

verb

1. To put into action or use: actuate, apply, employ, exercise, implement, practice, use, utilize. Idioms: avail oneself of, bring into play, bring to bear, make use of, put into practice, put to use. See used/unused.
2. To take advantage of unfairly: abuse, impose, presume, use. See treat well/treat badly/treat.
3. To control to one's own advantage by artful or indirect means: maneuver, manipulate, play. See control/uncontrol, straight/bent.


He is manipulateing. He is abusing the position that somebody else has given to him. Do you understand that? Is that comprehensible to you?

I doubt it. You're so far up his arse... I doubt there is any possibility you can tell right from wrong.

[Vicky.]

The only people who have given him the position are the BB producers.

Most BB housemates do the same thing, angel sold her eviction outfit, and lots of others have sold pretty worthless stuff for more than it is worth. Why only say marcus is exploiting the public?

Oh, I forgot, because you dont like him :rolleyes:

If people are prepared to pay it, people will sell.

Im sure if I could sell a piece of paper for 50 quid, I'd be doing it too.

While people will pay it, it will happen. Hes exploiting noone. His fans want it. They even asked him to do it.

[MassiveTruck]

The only people who have given him the position are the BB producers.

Most BB housemates do the same thing, angel sold her eviction outfit, and lots of others have sold pretty worthless stuff for more than it is worth. Why only say marcus is exploiting the public?

Oh, I forgot, because you dont like him :rolleyes:

If people are prepared to pay it, people will sell.

Im sure if I could sell a piece of paper for 50 quid, I'd be doing it too.

While people will pay it, it will happen. Hes exploiting noone. His fans want it. They even asked him to do it.

I would never ever, sell a piece of paper for 50 pounds to somebody who has a vested interest in me. It think it's despicable, opportunist and ultimately - expoitive as well.

So let me get this right, you guys are saying that people who are interested in you, you'll exploit, without thinking about it and just let them part their hard earned cash because they have this bizarre fascination with you that has no logical or rational merit.

Well good for you man.

What I grasp here is, it's like some us and them mentality for some. Just because they fancy and admire a housemate, they think others are haters.

We all watch the show - in this case some of us are shocked and laughing at the behaviour of not only housemates but fans of housemates.

We are the objective sideliners - whether you like it or not.

[Shasown]

He isnt charging the price in either of his sales, that is being driven by people who want the items he is selling as memorabilia. People often pay silly money for complete tat. Look at what one person calls art another will call rubbish, Tracey Emin and Damien Hirsts work springs to mind. Autographed photographs etc sell for, in some peoples opinions, silly money.

Is it right celebrities have charged money for exclusive picture rights to their weddings etc?

You are assuming that Marcus is looking to make profit out of the items, what is he going to use the money realised in the sales for? Do you know?

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion of Marcus putting these items up for sale, would your opinion be the same should Sophie, if she gets another breast augmentation surgery, put her inserts up for sale on ebay? Or is this post simply about your need to criticise Marcus and his fans?

[MassiveTruck]

He isnt charging the price in either of his sales, that is being driven by people who want the items he is selling as memorabilia. People often pay silly money for complete tat. Look at what one person calls art another will call rubbish, Tracey Emin and Damien Hirsts work springs to mind. Autographed photographs etc sell for, in some peoples opinions, silly money.

Is it right celebrities have charged money for exclusive picture rights to their weddings etc?

You are assuming that Marcus is looking to make profit out of the items, what is he going to use the money realised in the sales for? Do you know?

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion of Marcus putting these items up for sale, would your opinion be the same should Sophie, if she gets another breast augmentation surgery, put her inserts up for sale on ebay? Or is this post simply about your need to criticise Marcus and his fans?

No housemate is immune from my criticism.

Those desperate for attention because Mommy didn't give it are far easier targets.

[BBUK4LYFE]

I have a question for you.

If someone was willing to pay you thousands of dollars and all you have to do is write a letter of any kind.

Would you do it?

[nut]

@ massive truck i can be arsed to read all through what you typed i just give you what i think about from the 1st few lines i read.

Marcus spent 13 weeks on a TV show for how much money did you say? £30 per day? 90 days x 24 hours = 2160 hours worth of work. £30 per day x 90 days = £2700 work that out per hour?? that's £1.25p per hour whos exploiting who here? BB make millions off the likes of marcus who was up for eviction 7-8 times BB pay marcus £1.25p per hour cut the man a bit of slack if he wants to sell some stuff on ebay and make a few k then why shouldent he? even if its cr*p and worth £1 if someone wants to give marcus £1000 for it then whats the problem? you dont want it you dont have to bid on it i dont get where your coming from its not exploiting anyone he as not said the key is made of gold he said its a BB jail key prop and start bids at 99p because its not worth £1,000 to you does not mean its not worth a £1,000 to some fan of marcus, are you saying marcus should not have any fans? it up to them what they want to spend it on not you.

and as for music cd's and the band/ singer deserves the money? yes they do even though the CD costs a few pence to make yet the mark it up 10,000% to what it costs to make is that exploiting people as well?

marcus spent 13 weeks in a house entertaining people for £1.25p per hour where his boss made millions off his and his HM's back's good luck to him i hope he makes as much as he can if his fans are happy paying for it then thats up to them they know its rubbish! marcus as said what it is how is it exploiting people?

[Shasown]

Jealousy is a bitch aint it?

[Niamh.]

I blame the idiots who pay for it, something is only worth what a person will pay. It's the same as someone going on ebay and selling a famous persons autgraph really, is that exploitation?? I don't think so

[Tom]

They aren't being forced so no they aren't exploited. But they are idiotic for buying a piece of paper from a nobody

[Shasown]

Massive whynot start your anti exploitation campaign with these?

http://www.conranshop.co.uk/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=512688&cid=SofasArmchairs&language=en-GB&extcam=ppc_goog

[nut]

I blame the idiots who pay for it, something is only worth what a person will pay. It's the same as someone going on ebay and selling a famous persons autgraph really, is that exploitation?? I don't think soI would not say idiots id say someone must be very well off if they can afford to spend that kind of money on junk im not short of a few ££££ but even i could not afford to pay that kind of money for it, then again im not mega rich a few £1,000 to some people 1/2 hours work. i would not call them idiots if they want it they will get it money is not a problem if some nutter spent his/her last £1,000 then they are *******ing idiots:laugh2:

[Niamh.]

I blame the idiots who pay for it, something is only worth what a person will pay. It's the same as someone going on ebay and selling a famous persons autgraph really, is that exploitation?? I don't think soI would not say idiots id say someone must be very well off if they can afford to spend that kind of money on junk im not short of a few ££££ but even i could not afford to pay that kind of money for it, then again im not mega rich a few £1,000 to some people 1/2 hours work. i would not call them idiots if they want it they will get it money is not a problem if some nutter spent his/her last £1,000 then they are *******ing idiots:laugh2:


Fair enough, I'll withdraw my idiots statement, I personally wouldn't pay a penny for somebody, I don't care who they are, to write a few swear words on a page anyway!!

[nut]

They aren't being forced so no they aren't exploited. But they are idiotic for buying a piece of paper from a nobody

hes got a cult following on twitter alone he as over 23,000 people following him thats more than anyother BB contestant he is somebody with that amount of followers

[eye sea]

I don't know about exploitation, because it's up to the suckers if they wanna buy his trash.

One thing I do know is that he should be looked into for selling a Channel 4 prop. That to me is theft, unless BB give him the key which I find highly unlikely.

He probably stole it before he was evicted. The thief.

[WOMBAI]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

Seems likely he is selling it now whilst his name is still in the public eye - as he realizes it is unlikely to be for very long! A couple of months down the line - probably won't be many interested in buying!

[Shasown]

I don't know about exploitation, because it's up to the suckers if they wanna buy his trash.

One thing I do know is that he should be looked into for selling a Channel 4 prop. That to me is theft, unless BB give him the key which I find highly unlikely.

He probably stole it before he was evicted. The thief.

I am sure by now BB is aware of its sale, you could however to be sure, email them and let them know or indeed ask them to confirm your assertion he is a thief.

If they were that concerned about it they could have the item removed from ebay, inform the police about its theft, ask Marcus to donate any profit from it to a charity or simply ask for the item to be returned.

[MassiveTruck]

Jealousy is a bitch aint it?

Yeah that's right. The world is jealous of somebody who lives with his mum, struggles with girls, hasn't got a job, is short, is not attractive, has to sell things online by exploiting his fans...

Yes, in Marcus Fan land - it's jealousy... back to reality for the rest of us. Oh hail Jesus, Lord God and all that is pure - back to reality.

Thank You.

[nut]

Jealousy is a bitch aint it?

Yeah that's right. The world is jealous of somebody who lives with his mum, struggles with girls, hasn't got a job, is short, is not attractive, has to sell things online by exploiting his fans...

Yes, in Marcus Fan land - it's jealousy... back to reality for the rest of us. Oh hail Jesus, Lord God and all that is pure - back to reality.

Thank You.how do you know he struggles with girls? he said before he went on BB that girls love him he is over confident if anything just look at the amount of women who are begging him to marry them or take them out on a date! some of them are very good looking just follow him on twitter and you will see.

his mother lives in his house "HIS HOUSE" not hers HIS he payed for it some how? thats right he lives in London and is a window fitter up untill he went in to the BB house

he is not exploiting his fans they want to buy the things he is selling and are begging him to post them on ebay!

as i have said he has plenty of women after him so being short and ugly as you put it, is not a problem to him and pulling women they are throwing them self at him

so yes i would say you are jealous! because you have none of what he has and all you can do is talk about him 1st sign of jealousy or envy and you show them all >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy

[J-Rock]

No.

He should have won the 70K anyway, as he provided half the entertainment on the show. The show is willing to pay £70K for a HM to win. So within that context, what is wrong with Marcus, who should have won in terms of entertainment, making a few quid out of his BB performance?

Case closed.

[WOMBAI]

Jealousy is a bitch aint it?

Yeah that's right. The world is jealous of somebody who lives with his mum, struggles with girls, hasn't got a job, is short, is not attractive, has to sell things online by exploiting his fans...

Yes, in Marcus Fan land - it's jealousy... back to reality for the rest of us. Oh hail Jesus, Lord God and all that is pure - back to reality.

Thank You.how do you know he struggles with girls? he said before he went on BB that girls love him he is over confident if anything just look at the amount of women who are begging him to marry them or take them out on a date! some of them are very good looking just follow him on twitter and you will see.

his mother lives in his house "HIS HOUSE" not hers HIS he payed for it some how? thats right he lives in London and is a window fitter up untill he went in to the BB house

he is not exploiting his fans they want to buy the things he is selling and are begging him to post them on ebay!

as i have said he has plenty of women after him so being short and ugly as you put it, is not a problem to him and pulling women they are throwing them self at him

so yes i would say you are jealous! because you have none of what he has and all you can do is talk about him 1st sign of jealousy or envy and you show them all >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy

Some women will throw themselves at anything that has been on tv - or achieved some kind of notoriety - for whatever reason! Ffs some women write to serial killers and propose marriage! That doesn't mean a thing!

[GypsyGoth]

Marcus was a great housemate. He is very popular. Fans of BB are interested in him.

I was delighted when he replied to me on his facebook, it made my day.

If I had the money I would outbid people for that key although I'm not sure about the note, but each to their own.

He isn't exploiting his fans at all. He is providing something that they want.

If he made people pay before they could follow him on twitter, then that would be exploiting.

[nut]

Jealousy is a bitch aint it?

Yeah that's right. The world is jealous of somebody who lives with his mum, struggles with girls, hasn't got a job, is short, is not attractive, has to sell things online by exploiting his fans...

Yes, in Marcus Fan land - it's jealousy... back to reality for the rest of us. Oh hail Jesus, Lord God and all that is pure - back to reality.

Thank You.how do you know he struggles with girls? he said before he went on BB that girls love him he is over confident if anything just look at the amount of women who are begging him to marry them or take them out on a date! some of them are very good looking just follow him on twitter and you will see.

his mother lives in his house "HIS HOUSE" not hers HIS he payed for it some how? thats right he lives in London and is a window fitter up untill he went in to the BB house

he is not exploiting his fans they want to buy the things he is selling and are begging him to post them on ebay!

as i have said he has plenty of women after him so being short and ugly as you put it, is not a problem to him and pulling women they are throwing them self at him

so yes i would say you are jealous! because you have none of what he has and all you can do is talk about him 1st sign of jealousy or envy and you show them all >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy

Some women will throw themselves at anything that has been on tv - or achieved some kind of notoriety - for whatever reason! Ffs some women write to serial killers and propose marriage! That doesn't mean a thing!

I agree with you! in the same sense that some women are serial internet stalkers that cant get get out they'er minds someone who as stared on a TV game show, they dont like the person, but they can not drag them self away from the PC its been 14 days since marcus was on the show! what does that say about you meecha? are you in the same category as the women who write to serial killers? you clearly have a mental health problem because you can not let it go! day in day out you sign in to the forum to spread hate about someone you know very little about.

who is the more evil? thouse who spread love or thouse who spread hate? just think about that? so your putting marcus in the same category as a serial killer?

[Cybele]

OMG... Someone is selling junk on Ebay. Alert the media!

:rolleyes:

[Cybele]

I dont get why you have a problem with it.

His fans asked him to do it, he did it, they are now bidding for worthless stuff.

Simple as. They asked, and got what they asked for.

They have a problem with it because they want to have a problem with it. If Marcus had refused, they would have said that he was being a jerk to his fans. No matter what happens, they will always find something wrong in it as far as Marcus is concerned.

[WOMBAI]

Jealousy is a bitch aint it?

Yeah that's right. The world is jealous of somebody who lives with his mum, struggles with girls, hasn't got a job, is short, is not attractive, has to sell things online by exploiting his fans...

Yes, in Marcus Fan land - it's jealousy... back to reality for the rest of us. Oh hail Jesus, Lord God and all that is pure - back to reality.

Thank You.how do you know he struggles with girls? he said before he went on BB that girls love him he is over confident if anything just look at the amount of women who are begging him to marry them or take them out on a date! some of them are very good looking just follow him on twitter and you will see.

his mother lives in his house "HIS HOUSE" not hers HIS he payed for it some how? thats right he lives in London and is a window fitter up untill he went in to the BB house

he is not exploiting his fans they want to buy the things he is selling and are begging him to post them on ebay!

as i have said he has plenty of women after him so being short and ugly as you put it, is not a problem to him and pulling women they are throwing them self at him

so yes i would say you are jealous! because you have none of what he has and all you can do is talk about him 1st sign of jealousy or envy and you show them all >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy

Some women will throw themselves at anything that has been on tv - or achieved some kind of notoriety - for whatever reason! Ffs some women write to serial killers and propose marriage! That doesn't mean a thing!

I agree with you! in the same sense that some women are serial internet stalkers that cant get get out they'er minds someone who as stared on a TV game show, they dont like the person, but they can not drag them self away from the PC its been 14 days since marcus was on the show! what does that say about you meecha? are you in the same category as the women who write to serial killers? you clearly have a mental health problem because you can not let it go! day in day out you sign in to the forum to spread hate about someone you know very little about.

who is the more evil? thouse who spread love or thouse who spread hate? just think about that? so your putting marcus in the same category as a serial killer?



And you are a prime example of how crazy and over the top some 'fans' get in reaction to a tv programme!" How old are you by the way? You are the worst 'hater' on this forum - you really hate those that disagree with your views on Marcus!

It is quite obvious I wasn't likening Marcus to a serial killer - just demonstrating how pathetic some women are!

You are a seriously disturbed person - who overreacts to everything said by those that don't like Marcus! Grow up!

[MassiveTruck]

Jealousy is a bitch aint it?

Yeah that's right. The world is jealous of somebody who lives with his mum, struggles with girls, hasn't got a job, is short, is not attractive, has to sell things online by exploiting his fans...

Yes, in Marcus Fan land - it's jealousy... back to reality for the rest of us. Oh hail Jesus, Lord God and all that is pure - back to reality.

Thank You.

how do you know he struggles with girls? he said before he went on BB that girls love him he is over confident if anything just look at the amount of women who are begging him to marry them or take them out on a date! some of them are very good looking just follow him on twitter and you will see.

his mother lives in his house "HIS HOUSE" not hers HIS he payed for it some how? thats right he lives in London and is a window fitter up untill he went in to the BB house

he is not exploiting his fans they want to buy the things he is selling and are begging him to post them on ebay!

as i have said he has plenty of women after him so being short and ugly as you put it, is not a problem to him and pulling women they are throwing them self at him

so yes i would say you are jealous! because you have none of what he has and all you can do is talk about him 1st sign of jealousy or envy and you show them all >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy

I know he struggles with girls at how easily he falls over for them and becomes anamoured after getting a hug from one and his never ending, infinite amount of crude comments relating to female genitalia and women in general. He had a girl almost half his age (Sophie) have to tell him to pipe it down and grow up. Oddly - this is lost on some... Now... why would I be jealous of a man that behaves like that?

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed. Now... why would I be jealous of a man that behaves like that?

Of course he is exploiting his fans. Of course they want to buy the stuff because it's marcus' but he is exploiting them by selling rubbish at way over the costs on the basis that they are obsessed with the fact he uses the word "****" and "****" a lot and behaves like a juvenile - basically they are obsessed with him because out of pride it would be damaging to their brain if they had to admit that Noirin was the cause of all the problems and not Sree and Lisa and they had to admire Marcus because not admiring would mean they were wrong abotu Sree and Lisa. All that ego and all that pride from an obsessive TV viewer? Now... why would I be jealous of a man that behaves like that?

Erm... that's all. Your final paragraph is based upon a delusion that I have to be jealous of your subjective view of Marcus Fan Land where he is some kind of a God. If swearing and juvenile behaviour is your forte - try town centres on Saturday nights...

Your brain will explode dude and you will have 100 more messiahs to go with Marcus. Rock On!

[vladicus]

face it vicky MassiveTruck hates marcus i dont know what his vendetta is

[Shasown]

... Now... why would I be jealous of a man that behaves like that?
Because you dont have women chasing after you?

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed. Now... why would I be jealous of a man that behaves like that?
Because your house is not your own?

Now... why would I be jealous of a man that behaves like that?

Because you havent and will never get the chance to appear in a reality TV show?

[KennethAndKarly]

That's why people are jealous of me. Mostly because of the women, not the money.

[Cybele]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

[Niamh.]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

I'm neither a Marcus fan nor a Marcus hater but I have to agree with you about his mom living with him, I think that it's a sign of a good caring person that he looks after his mom and lets her live with him!

[MassiveTruck]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

Does he live with his mother?

Yes. he does. LOL

All this "No... his mother lives with him" Doesn't change the fact that he lives with his mother. That's about the long and short of it.

If you really think... that a guy who is unemployed, desperate to lay off things and has been unemployed for a long time has his "mother living with him"... seriously, you're far less objective and perceptive than I give fanaticism credit for.

[MassiveTruck]

... Now... why would I be jealous of a man that behaves like that?
Because you dont have women chasing after you?

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed. Now... why would I be jealous of a man that behaves like that?
Because your house is not your own?

Now... why would I be jealous of a man that behaves like that?

Because you havent and will never get the chance to appear in a reality TV show?




You're having a laugh aren't you?

Here I am - laughing :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Cybele]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

Does he live with his mother?

Yes. he does. LOL

All this "No... his mother lives with him" Doesn't change the fact that he lives with his mother. That's about the long and short of it.

If you really think... that a guy who is unemployed, desperate to lay off things and has been unemployed for a long time has his "mother living with him"... seriously, you're far less objective and perceptive than I give fanaticism credit for.

Unemployed? What ARE you on about. He may have quit his job to go on BB, but he was employed prior to that. And not only was he employed, but he also had a second job making figurines for a toy company.

And regarding the mother thing? There is a HUGE difference between him living with his mother and his mother living with him. In the first, the person hasn't left home and is a slacker who wants to live off of their parents forever. In the second, a person has gone out and made a life for themselves including buying a home and generously lets their parent live with them in order to assist the parent as they get older. If you don't see the difference, I pity you. But I think you do see the difference but refuse to admit it.

And I am not a fanatic. I didn't even start out as a Marcus fan. However, I don't like to see people twist the truth for their own purposes. And if you want to see what a fanatic looks like, you should look in the mirror. I am a bit shocked by how sad you have become. Maybe you were like this all along and I just didn't notice.

[MassiveTruck]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

Does he live with his mother?

Yes. he does. LOL

All this "No... his mother lives with him" Doesn't change the fact that he lives with his mother. That's about the long and short of it.

If you really think... that a guy who is unemployed, desperate to lay off things and has been unemployed for a long time has his "mother living with him"... seriously, you're far less objective and perceptive than I give fanaticism credit for.

Unemployed? What ARE you on about. He may have quit his job to go on BB, but he was employed prior to that. And not only was he employed, but he also had a second job making figurines for a toy company.

And regarding the mother thing? There is a HUGE difference between him living with his mother and his mother living with him. In the first, the person hasn't left home and is a slacker who wants to live off of their parents forever. In the second, a person has gone out and made a life for themselves including buying a home and generously lets their parent live with them in order to assist the parent as they get older. If you don't see the difference, I pity you. But I think you do see the difference but refuse to admit it.

And I am not a fanatic. I didn't even start out as a Marcus fan. However, I don't like to see people twist the truth for their own purposes. And if you want to see what a fanatic looks like, you should look in the mirror. I am a bit shocked by how sad you have become. Maybe you were like this all along and I just didn't notice.

Nope... he had a job since January and then he quit that job.

He does not have a job making figurines for a toy company *sigh*. He makes them and oh forget it....

Do you know that house he lives in? Is Mother there? Yes...

Now, join the dots. Does he have a wife, girlfriend or anything else of that nature? No... but does he run around treating women like dirt which we saw for 13 weeks in the house? yes.

So... Loser.

These are the facts but for some reason people want to subvert the reality to make his loserdom appear like some messianic brilliance. Complete and utter nonsense.

[Cybele]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

Does he live with his mother?

Yes. he does. LOL

All this "No... his mother lives with him" Doesn't change the fact that he lives with his mother. That's about the long and short of it.

If you really think... that a guy who is unemployed, desperate to lay off things and has been unemployed for a long time has his "mother living with him"... seriously, you're far less objective and perceptive than I give fanaticism credit for.

Unemployed? What ARE you on about. He may have quit his job to go on BB, but he was employed prior to that. And not only was he employed, but he also had a second job making figurines for a toy company.

And regarding the mother thing? There is a HUGE difference between him living with his mother and his mother living with him. In the first, the person hasn't left home and is a slacker who wants to live off of their parents forever. In the second, a person has gone out and made a life for themselves including buying a home and generously lets their parent live with them in order to assist the parent as they get older. If you don't see the difference, I pity you. But I think you do see the difference but refuse to admit it.

And I am not a fanatic. I didn't even start out as a Marcus fan. However, I don't like to see people twist the truth for their own purposes. And if you want to see what a fanatic looks like, you should look in the mirror. I am a bit shocked by how sad you have become. Maybe you were like this all along and I just didn't notice.

Nope... he had a job since January and then he quit that job.

He does not have a job making figurines for a toy company *sigh*. He makes them and oh forget it....

Do you know that house he lives in? Is Mother there? Yes...

Now, join the dots. Does he have a wife, girlfriend or anything else of that nature? No... but does he run around treating women like dirt which we saw for 13 weeks in the house? yes.

So... Loser.

These are the facts but for some reason people want to subvert the reality to make his loserdom appear like some messianic brilliance. Complete and utter nonsense.

You run around this forum treating people like crap... does that make you a loser too?

[MassiveTruck]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

Does he live with his mother?

Yes. he does. LOL

All this "No... his mother lives with him" Doesn't change the fact that he lives with his mother. That's about the long and short of it.

If you really think... that a guy who is unemployed, desperate to lay off things and has been unemployed for a long time has his "mother living with him"... seriously, you're far less objective and perceptive than I give fanaticism credit for.

Unemployed? What ARE you on about. He may have quit his job to go on BB, but he was employed prior to that. And not only was he employed, but he also had a second job making figurines for a toy company.

And regarding the mother thing? There is a HUGE difference between him living with his mother and his mother living with him. In the first, the person hasn't left home and is a slacker who wants to live off of their parents forever. In the second, a person has gone out and made a life for themselves including buying a home and generously lets their parent live with them in order to assist the parent as they get older. If you don't see the difference, I pity you. But I think you do see the difference but refuse to admit it.

And I am not a fanatic. I didn't even start out as a Marcus fan. However, I don't like to see people twist the truth for their own purposes. And if you want to see what a fanatic looks like, you should look in the mirror. I am a bit shocked by how sad you have become. Maybe you were like this all along and I just didn't notice.

Nope... he had a job since January and then he quit that job.

He does not have a job making figurines for a toy company *sigh*. He makes them and oh forget it....

Do you know that house he lives in? Is Mother there? Yes...

Now, join the dots. Does he have a wife, girlfriend or anything else of that nature? No... but does he run around treating women like dirt which we saw for 13 weeks in the house? yes.

So... Loser.

These are the facts but for some reason people want to subvert the reality to make his loserdom appear like some messianic brilliance. Complete and utter nonsense.

You run around this forum treating people like crap... does that make you a loser too?

You just find it hard to accept an opinion that is different from yours. That's no reasoning to state - people who don't like who you adore and devote yourself to are treating people like crap. Hardly, not even remotely - in fact,

not at all.

Just try and accept the fact it's a TV show and not everybody falls madly in love with the contestants on there.

It is just a TV Show...

Some of us treat it like that - not Messiah idol.

[Cybele]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

Does he live with his mother?

Yes. he does. LOL

All this "No... his mother lives with him" Doesn't change the fact that he lives with his mother. That's about the long and short of it.

If you really think... that a guy who is unemployed, desperate to lay off things and has been unemployed for a long time has his "mother living with him"... seriously, you're far less objective and perceptive than I give fanaticism credit for.

Unemployed? What ARE you on about. He may have quit his job to go on BB, but he was employed prior to that. And not only was he employed, but he also had a second job making figurines for a toy company.

And regarding the mother thing? There is a HUGE difference between him living with his mother and his mother living with him. In the first, the person hasn't left home and is a slacker who wants to live off of their parents forever. In the second, a person has gone out and made a life for themselves including buying a home and generously lets their parent live with them in order to assist the parent as they get older. If you don't see the difference, I pity you. But I think you do see the difference but refuse to admit it.

And I am not a fanatic. I didn't even start out as a Marcus fan. However, I don't like to see people twist the truth for their own purposes. And if you want to see what a fanatic looks like, you should look in the mirror. I am a bit shocked by how sad you have become. Maybe you were like this all along and I just didn't notice.

Nope... he had a job since January and then he quit that job.

He does not have a job making figurines for a toy company *sigh*. He makes them and oh forget it....

Do you know that house he lives in? Is Mother there? Yes...

Now, join the dots. Does he have a wife, girlfriend or anything else of that nature? No... but does he run around treating women like dirt which we saw for 13 weeks in the house? yes.

So... Loser.

These are the facts but for some reason people want to subvert the reality to make his loserdom appear like some messianic brilliance. Complete and utter nonsense.

You run around this forum treating people like crap... does that make you a loser too?

You just find it hard to accept an opinion that is different from yours. That's no reasoning to state - people who don't like who you adore and devote yourself to are treating people like crap. Hardly, not even remotely - in fact,

not at all.

Just try and accept the fact it's a TV show and not everybody falls madly in love with the contestants on there.

It is just a TV Show...

Some of us treat it like that - not Messiah idol.

Sorry, honey, but once again your facts are wrong. I don't think any of the people on the show are the messiah or anything remotely close to it. In fact, I haven't read any news stories or googled them or anything. The show is over. *shrug* The main reason I even come back here is that it is one of the websites that are tabbed when I open my browser.

And I challenge you to find any post I have made during the entire season which idolized any housemate. Go on... I'll wait.

I just think that you like to twist facts. Pure and simple. It wouldn't matter if it was Marcus or Freddie or Sree or Bea or whoever. I hate seeing people twist facts. And you are a twister. You know it. I know it. Everyone on this board knows it. :wink:

[bansheewails]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

No, explotation is half starved people in 3rd world countries having to work for 15p aweek because we want cheap primark clothes and nke footballs. What Marcus is doing is supplying demand, fools are easilyparted with their money!

[Angus]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

Does he live with his mother?

Yes. he does. LOL

All this "No... his mother lives with him" Doesn't change the fact that he lives with his mother. That's about the long and short of it.

If you really think... that a guy who is unemployed, desperate to lay off things and has been unemployed for a long time has his "mother living with him"... seriously, you're far less objective and perceptive than I give fanaticism credit for.

Massive, are you suggesting he should throw his mother onto the streets just to prove how "grown up" he is? In most cultures it is the norm for parents to live with their offspring, its called reciprocal responsibility, and is not something to ridicule. Marcus is actually doing the "grown up" thing rather than the selfish path he could take if he offloaded his mum. Perhaps if more of us looked after our own in this country, instead of shoving them into nursing homes, we could actually call ourselves a civilised society.

I admire Marcus for his commitment and loyalty to his mother, and I guarantee that most women would love to be with a man like that rather than with somebody who has no respect or concern for his own flesh and blood.

[nut]

That's why people are jealous of me. Mostly because of the women, not the money.you a some crazy person who thinks that you are someone who you are not LOL even worse are FM's that think you are that person! you need to seek help ASAP :whistle:

[Niamh.]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

No, explotation is half starved people in 3rd world countries having to work for 15p aweek because we want cheap primark clothes and nke footballs. What Marcus is doing is supplying demand, fools are easilyparted with their money!

The most sensible statement on this thread well done!

[MassiveTruck]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

Does he live with his mother?

Yes. he does. LOL

All this "No... his mother lives with him" Doesn't change the fact that he lives with his mother. That's about the long and short of it.

If you really think... that a guy who is unemployed, desperate to lay off things and has been unemployed for a long time has his "mother living with him"... seriously, you're far less objective and perceptive than I give fanaticism credit for.

Unemployed? What ARE you on about. He may have quit his job to go on BB, but he was employed prior to that. And not only was he employed, but he also had a second job making figurines for a toy company.

And regarding the mother thing? There is a HUGE difference between him living with his mother and his mother living with him. In the first, the person hasn't left home and is a slacker who wants to live off of their parents forever. In the second, a person has gone out and made a life for themselves including buying a home and generously lets their parent live with them in order to assist the parent as they get older. If you don't see the difference, I pity you. But I think you do see the difference but refuse to admit it.

And I am not a fanatic. I didn't even start out as a Marcus fan. However, I don't like to see people twist the truth for their own purposes. And if you want to see what a fanatic looks like, you should look in the mirror. I am a bit shocked by how sad you have become. Maybe you were like this all along and I just didn't notice.

Nope... he had a job since January and then he quit that job.

He does not have a job making figurines for a toy company *sigh*. He makes them and oh forget it....

Do you know that house he lives in? Is Mother there? Yes...

Now, join the dots. Does he have a wife, girlfriend or anything else of that nature? No... but does he run around treating women like dirt which we saw for 13 weeks in the house? yes.

So... Loser.

These are the facts but for some reason people want to subvert the reality to make his loserdom appear like some messianic brilliance. Complete and utter nonsense.

You run around this forum treating people like crap... does that make you a loser too?

You just find it hard to accept an opinion that is different from yours. That's no reasoning to state - people who don't like who you adore and devote yourself to are treating people like crap. Hardly, not even remotely - in fact,

not at all.

Just try and accept the fact it's a TV show and not everybody falls madly in love with the contestants on there.

It is just a TV Show...

Some of us treat it like that - not Messiah idol.

Sorry, honey, but once again your facts are wrong. I don't think any of the people on the show are the messiah or anything remotely close to it. In fact, I haven't read any news stories or googled them or anything. The show is over. *shrug* The main reason I even come back here is that it is one of the websites that are tabbed when I open my browser.

And I challenge you to find any post I have made during the entire season which idolized any housemate. Go on... I'll wait.

I just think that you like to twist facts. Pure and simple. It wouldn't matter if it was Marcus or Freddie or Sree or Bea or whoever. I hate seeing people twist facts. And you are a twister. You know it. I know it. Everyone on this board knows it. :wink:

So if you're not idolizing, you're just projecting yourself in these posts then.

Cool.

You're trying very hard to state otherwise, that you have no relationship, bond or fascination with housemates. Almost to protesting beyond anything else but you're sure as hell taking it personally against me...

therefore, you can only be projecting...

or you just enjoy picking a forum member and having a go at them.

You have to have a vested interest in some way, whether with a forum member, self righteousness or with a housemate - or narcissism, i.e., yourself. Which is it?

I would say all of the above. :wink:

[bansheewails]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

No, explotation is half starved people in 3rd world countries having to work for 15p aweek because we want cheap primark clothes and nke footballs. What Marcus is doing is supplying demand, fools are easilyparted with their money!

The most sensible statement on this thread well done!

I Have my moments!:bigsmile:

[MassiveTruck]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

No, explotation is half starved people in 3rd world countries having to work for 15p aweek because we want cheap primark clothes and nke footballs. What Marcus is doing is supplying demand, fools are easilyparted with their money!

Oh right, so the rest of the world are just as innocent and we're all going to heaven in a pea green boat now that only a handful of people based upon Daily Mail articles about clothes manufacturers are going to hell.

Thanks.

Exploitation is in many different forms. Especially Marcus making multiple accounts on Ebay in order to raise the bid on his items.

[Niamh.]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

No, explotation is half starved people in 3rd world countries having to work for 15p aweek because we want cheap primark clothes and nke footballs. What Marcus is doing is supplying demand, fools are easilyparted with their money!

Oh right, so the rest of the world are just as innocent and we're all going to heaven in a pea green boat now that only a handful of people based upon Daily Mail articles about clothes manufacturers are going to hell.

Thanks.

Exploitation is in many different forms. Especially Marcus making multiple accounts on Ebay in order to raise the bid on his items.




Yes Marcus is evil and is going to hell for selling a key on ebay! :devil: :laugh2:

[MassiveTruck]

Does he live with his mother? Yes. Case closed.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Marcus does NOT live with his mother. Marcus's mother lives with him. HE owns the house not her. But he is nice enough to help her out by allowing her to live with him.

So get your facts straight, mate. If facts matter to you, that is.

Does he live with his mother?

Yes. he does. LOL

All this "No... his mother lives with him" Doesn't change the fact that he lives with his mother. That's about the long and short of it.

If you really think... that a guy who is unemployed, desperate to lay off things and has been unemployed for a long time has his "mother living with him"... seriously, you're far less objective and perceptive than I give fanaticism credit for.

Massive, are you suggesting he should throw his mother onto the streets just to prove how "grown up" he is? In most cultures it is the norm for parents to live with their offspring, its called reciprocal responsibility, and is not something to ridicule. Marcus is actually doing the "grown up" thing rather than the selfish path he could take if he offloaded his mum. Perhaps if more of us looked after our own in this country, instead of shoving them into nursing homes, we could actually call ourselves a civilised society.

I admire Marcus for his commitment and loyalty to his mother, and I guarantee that most women would love to be with a man like that rather than with somebody who has no respect or concern for his own flesh and blood.

His loyalty and commitment to his mother?

Christ! The level of denial is unbelievable.

He hates his mother. She never even knew he had left for the house. He continuously said he has a bad relationship with her and hardly speaks to her. She didn't have very much nice to say about him either.

He lives with his mother. Regardless of the spin we've seen, he lives with her. How in the world did he afford a house in London while being unemployed for the large part of his life and barely being able to wipe his backside at 35 years of age?

Come on...

[MassiveTruck]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

No, explotation is half starved people in 3rd world countries having to work for 15p aweek because we want cheap primark clothes and nke footballs. What Marcus is doing is supplying demand, fools are easilyparted with their money!

Oh right, so the rest of the world are just as innocent and we're all going to heaven in a pea green boat now that only a handful of people based upon Daily Mail articles about clothes manufacturers are going to hell.

Thanks.

Exploitation is in many different forms. Especially Marcus making multiple accounts on Ebay in order to raise the bid on his items.




Yes Marcus is evil and is going to hell for selling a key on ebay! :devil: :laugh2:

No. They won't have him. He's too weak.

He'll be sent to a toilet in some god foresaken town in the world and told to haunt it for eternity.

[Niamh.]

Yes Marcus is evil and is going to hell for selling a key on ebay! :devil: :laugh2:[/rquote]

No. They won't have him. He's too weak.

He'll be sent to a toilet in some god foresaken town in the world and told to haunt it for eternity.[/rquote]

I reckon he'd be a good ghost actually

[Chantel]

Yes Marcus is evil and is going to hell for selling a key on ebay! :devil: :laugh2:

No. They won't have him. He's too weak.

He'll be sent to a toilet in some god foresaken town in the world and told to haunt it for eternity.[/rquote]

I reckon he'd be a good ghost actually[/rquote]

:joker:

[bansheewails]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

No, explotation is half starved people in 3rd world countries having to work for 15p aweek because we want cheap primark clothes and nke footballs. What Marcus is doing is supplying demand, fools are easilyparted with their money!

Oh right, so the rest of the world are just as innocent and we're all going to heaven in a pea green boat now that only a handful of people based upon Daily Mail articles about clothes manufacturers are going to hell.

Thanks.

Exploitation is in many different forms. Especially Marcus making multiple accounts on Ebay in order to raise the bid on his items.



i think you need to breathe or something. Your view of expolitation and mine are very different and if you consider fans buying memorbilia exploitation then every pop star,actor,actress,writer etc., by default is therefore guilty of the same offence.

Fashion house labels, then are guilty of exploitation ofthose who willingly pay more for a 'brand'. Sainsburys are guilty of exploitation for charging more than Asda. Where does it end?

Sadly your post doesn't make sense.

[Shasown]

He lives with his mother. Regardless of the spin we've seen, he lives with her. How in the world did he afford a house in London while being unemployed for the large part of his life and barely being able to wipe his backside at 35 years of age?

Come on...

Wow you really have your knickers in a twist don't you Massive.

His mother admitted she lives in his house, whether its his own house or a council house he has a tenancy agreement for, it doesnt alter the fact she lives with him. She has her own place on the South Coast somewhere, for all you know his father may have left may have left them both financially secure should he be deceased.

Now talking of spin, it's you doing the spinning twisting it round to make it out that he is some sort of parasite in her life.

How do you know he has been unemployed for a large part of his life? Can you prove this allegation? Or the allegation he made multiple false accounts to push up the cost of the item auctioned?

Nah didn't think so, you have to be careful what you say about people, your mouth will one day get you into a lot of trouble. I would recommend you stop gobbing off about things you know nothing about.

Let's face it regardless of what you say, you really have been bit by the green eyed monster and whatever he does will always be wrong in your eyes.

[MassiveTruck]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

No, explotation is half starved people in 3rd world countries having to work for 15p aweek because we want cheap primark clothes and nke footballs. What Marcus is doing is supplying demand, fools are easilyparted with their money!

Oh right, so the rest of the world are just as innocent and we're all going to heaven in a pea green boat now that only a handful of people based upon Daily Mail articles about clothes manufacturers are going to hell.

Thanks.

Exploitation is in many different forms. Especially Marcus making multiple accounts on Ebay in order to raise the bid on his items.



i think you need to breathe or something. Your view of expolitation and mine are very different and if you consider fans buying memorbilia exploitation then every pop star,actor,actress,writer etc., by default is therefore guilty of the same offence.

Fashion house labels, then are guilty of exploitation ofthose who willingly pay more for a 'brand'. Sainsburys are guilty of exploitation for charging more than Asda. Where does it end?

Sadly your post doesn't make sense.

You're just showing you have a problem with authority.

Everyday people can be exploitive of others and this is exploiting people.

Do you know what the second highest bidder said on DS about buying the item? You know what?

She bid on the item because Marcus was normal because he burped and picked his nose.

Jesus Effing Christ!!!! We all bloody pick our nose and burp.

Now this is her justification for paying over a thousand pounds for crap - oh sorry, it's not crap. It's actually pre-owned by the IDH (for about a week) and therefore... it's special.

Somebody should remind these fans that it was never really owned by Marcus. He got it and immediately put it on Ebay to sell with a piece of paper and that's so fantastic.

How sad and pathetic.

And we've already covered the area of memorabilia and Brand names on the thread already. The fact is, they are actually worth something. When you buy something, in the current economy, if it is branded, it's value is higher and therefore the exploitation is a lot less, almost non-existent. You talk about kids who work being exploited - jesus christ man. How utterly lacking knowledge that is.

This is work for them. This is how they feed themselves. Their money is worth a great deal over there. Here's a clue - what if Nike offered minimum wage in their countries... I mean our equivalent? then what? Do you really think that will work in their country?

Now... everything you buy, based upon your lack of knowledge on the economy is exploited. You miss putting any value, economic value on an item. Is it worth something in the future. What is it worth?

Your views are nothing more than from the Daily Mail who just love to shock, antagonise and frustrate people with little knowledge on how markets and economies operate.

Now... That crap Marcus is selling. Who is he? He stood in a bloody tube station for ages and hundreds walked past without giving a crap. He forced one women over who hugged him and because he sneaked a kiss on her cheek, he couldn't stop smiling.


Lo and behold minions - your pathetic messiah.

Then some woman pops up who couldn't really navigate around a tube station wants a photograph of them on her phone without them.

That's it. This is the guy who is selling a wooden/metal (probably that cheap metal they buy as remnants for these thigns) key type thing for 1200 pounds because he created an illusory bid around the item and a small minority of utter morons are left to led like flies to crap for this.

That is exploiting people because they admire somebody who is nobody to such a pathetic level that they would pay this much and what makes it exploiting? Well because he knows he's making a fool of people. He's going to sell bloody letters on Ebay as well...

What a joke...

Seriously.

[MassiveTruck]

He lives with his mother. Regardless of the spin we've seen, he lives with her. How in the world did he afford a house in London while being unemployed for the large part of his life and barely being able to wipe his backside at 35 years of age?

Come on...

Wow you really have your knickers in a twist don't you Massive.

His mother admitted she lives in his house, whether its his own house or a council house he has a tenancy agreement for, it doesnt alter the fact she lives with him. She has her own place on the South Coast somewhere, for all you know his father may have left may have left them both financially secure should he be deceased.

Now talking of spin, it's you doing the spinning twisting it round to make it out that he is some sort of parasite in her life.

How do you know he has been unemployed for a large part of his life? Can you prove this allegation? Or the allegation he made multiple false accounts to push up the cost of the item auctioned?

Nah didn't think so, you have to be careful what you say about people, your mouth will one day get you into a lot of trouble. I would recommend you stop gobbing off about things you know nothing about.

Let's face it regardless of what you say, you really have been bit by the green eyed monster and whatever he does will always be wrong in your eyes.

Oh pipe down Minion.

I'm commenting on the show and the most ridiculous effect of the show that is idolising somebody who lives with their mum while he exploits fools.

To me, it's laughable and also and dramatic in that people are fooled like this.

So, since I watched the show, why are you shocked I am mocking people and Marcus for behaving like this? Your idea of jealousy only exists because you think he is something special.

Our views of stupidity and moronic behaviour only exists because you like him.

[Niamh.]

LOL @ how Massive thinks he's the most clever person in the world!

[bansheewails]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

No, explotation is half starved people in 3rd world countries having to work for 15p aweek because we want cheap primark clothes and nke footballs. What Marcus is doing is supplying demand, fools are easilyparted with their money!

Oh right, so the rest of the world are just as innocent and we're all going to heaven in a pea green boat now that only a handful of people based upon Daily Mail articles about clothes manufacturers are going to hell.

Thanks.

Exploitation is in many different forms. Especially Marcus making multiple accounts on Ebay in order to raise the bid on his items.



i think you need to breathe or something. Your view of expolitation and mine are very different and if you consider fans buying memorbilia exploitation then every pop star,actor,actress,writer etc., by default is therefore guilty of the same offence.

Fashion house labels, then are guilty of exploitation ofthose who willingly pay more for a 'brand'. Sainsburys are guilty of exploitation for charging more than Asda. Where does it end?

Sadly your post doesn't make sense.

You're just showing you have a problem with authority.

Everyday people can be exploitive of others and this is exploiting people.

Do you know what the second highest bidder said on DS about buying the item? You know what?

She bid on the item because Marcus was normal because he burped and picked his nose.

Jesus Effing Christ!!!! We all bloody pick our nose and burp.

Now this is her justification for paying over a thousand pounds for cr*p - oh sorry, it's not crap. It's actually pre-owned by the IDH (for about a week) and therefore... it's special.

Somebody should remind these fans that it was never really owned by Marcus. He got it and immediately put it on Ebay to sell with a piece of paper and that's so fantastic.

How sad and pathetic.

And we've already covered the area of memorabilia and Brand names on the thread already. The fact is, they are actually worth something. When you buy something, in the current economy, if it is branded, it's value is higher and therefore the exploitation is a lot less, almost non-existent. You talk about kids who work being exploited - jesus christ man. How utterly lacking knowledge that is.

This is work for them. This is how they feed themselves. Their money is worth a great deal over there. Here's a clue - what if Nike offered minimum wage in their countries... I mean our equivalent? then what? Do you really think that will work in their country?

Now... everything you buy, based upon your lack of knowledge on the economy is exploited. You miss putting any value, economic value on an item. Is it worth something in the future. What is it worth?

Your views are nothing more than from the Daily Mail who just love to shock, antagonise and frustrate people with little knowledge on how markets and economies operate.

Now... That cr*p Marcus is selling. Who is he? He stood in a bloody tube station for ages and hundreds walked past without giving a crap. He forced one women over who hugged him and because he sneaked a kiss on her cheek, he couldn't stop smiling.


Lo and behold minions - your pathetic messiah.

Then some woman pops up who couldn't really navigate around a tube station wants a photograph of them on her phone without them.

That's it. This is the guy who is selling a wooden/metal (probably that cheap metal they buy as remnants for these thigns) key type thing for 1200 pounds because he created an illusory bid around the item and a small minority of utter morons are left to led like flies to cr*p for this.

That is exploiting people because they admire somebody who is nobody to such a pathetic level that they would pay this much and what makes it exploiting? Well because he knows he's making a fool of people. He's going to sell bloody letters on Ebay as well...

What a joke...

Seriously.

I have never read the Daily Mail in my Life, I reaad irish newspapers. Your problem is that you dont like Marcus, so you hate the fact that he is making money out of BB. Explotation has two very different meanings and in your vilification of Marcus you are purposely mixing the two. Exploitation means, utilizing something to its maximum value, what we call Capitalism, and taking advantage of something.

At the worst you could call those people who are buying stuff from Marcus stupid, but they understand what they are purchasing and probably know they are paying too much, therefore are NOT being exploited, they are being dumb asses!

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

I think MassiveTruck loves Marcus, why else does he devote so much attention to him.

Admit it you lurrve him?

[bansheewails]

I think MassiveTruck loves Marcus, why else does he devote so much attention to him.

Admit it you lurrve him?

He does seem to have Marcus tourettes at thee moment Junky doesn't he! Every second word seems to be about him!

:hugesmile:

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

I think MassiveTruck loves Marcus, why else does he devote so much attention to him.

Admit it you lurrve him?

He does seem to have Marcus tourettes at thee moment Junky doesn't he! Every second word seems to be about him!

:hugesmile:

I think he's hoping to be mentioned by Marcus on a TV station, but if that happens the mess he'll make will take ages to clean up. Its like kids in a playground hitting each other then with chase me chase me games.

It can really be the only reason why....

I mean unless he does hate Marcus that much, but how pathetic would that be so long after the show has ended?

[MassiveTruck]

If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.

No, explotation is half starved people in 3rd world countries having to work for 15p aweek because we want cheap primark clothes and nke footballs. What Marcus is doing is supplying demand, fools are easilyparted with their money!

Oh right, so the rest of the world are just as innocent and we're all going to heaven in a pea green boat now that only a handful of people based upon Daily Mail articles about clothes manufacturers are going to hell.

Thanks.

Exploitation is in many different forms. Especially Marcus making multiple accounts on Ebay in order to raise the bid on his items.



i think you need to breathe or something. Your view of expolitation and mine are very different and if you consider fans buying memorbilia exploitation then every pop star,actor,actress,writer etc., by default is therefore guilty of the same offence.

Fashion house labels, then are guilty of exploitation ofthose who willingly pay more for a 'brand'. Sainsburys are guilty of exploitation for charging more than Asda. Where does it end?

Sadly your post doesn't make sense.

You're just showing you have a problem with authority.

Everyday people can be exploitive of others and this is exploiting people.

Do you know what the second highest bidder said on DS about buying the item? You know what?

She bid on the item because Marcus was normal because he burped and picked his nose.

Jesus Effing Christ!!!! We all bloody pick our nose and burp.

Now this is her justification for paying over a thousand pounds for cr*p - oh sorry, it's not crap. It's actually pre-owned by the IDH (for about a week) and therefore... it's special.

Somebody should remind these fans that it was never really owned by Marcus. He got it and immediately put it on Ebay to sell with a piece of paper and that's so fantastic.

How sad and pathetic.

And we've already covered the area of memorabilia and Brand names on the thread already. The fact is, they are actually worth something. When you buy something, in the current economy, if it is branded, it's value is higher and therefore the exploitation is a lot less, almost non-existent. You talk about kids who work being exploited - jesus christ man. How utterly lacking knowledge that is.

This is work for them. This is how they feed themselves. Their money is worth a great deal over there. Here's a clue - what if Nike offered minimum wage in their countries... I mean our equivalent? then what? Do you really think that will work in their country?

Now... everything you buy, based upon your lack of knowledge on the economy is exploited. You miss putting any value, economic value on an item. Is it worth something in the future. What is it worth?

Your views are nothing more than from the Daily Mail who just love to shock, antagonise and frustrate people with little knowledge on how markets and economies operate.

Now... That cr*p Marcus is selling. Who is he? He stood in a bloody tube station for ages and hundreds walked past without giving a crap. He forced one women over who hugged him and because he sneaked a kiss on her cheek, he couldn't stop smiling.


Lo and behold minions - your pathetic messiah.

Then some woman pops up who couldn't really navigate around a tube station wants a photograph of them on her phone without them.

That's it. This is the guy who is selling a wooden/metal (probably that cheap metal they buy as remnants for these thigns) key type thing for 1200 pounds because he created an illusory bid around the item and a small minority of utter morons are left to led like flies to cr*p for this.

That is exploiting people because they admire somebody who is nobody to such a pathetic level that they would pay this much and what makes it exploiting? Well because he knows he's making a fool of people. He's going to sell bloody letters on Ebay as well...

What a joke...

Seriously.

I have never read the Daily Mail in my Life, I reaad irish newspapers. Your problem is that you dont like Marcus, so you hate the fact that he is making money out of BB. Explotation has two very different meanings and in your vilification of Marcus you are purposely mixing the two. Exploitation means, utilizing something to its maximum value, what we call Capitalism, and taking advantage of something.

At the worst you could call those people who are buying stuff from Marcus stupid, but they understand what they are purchasing and probably know they are paying too much, therefore are NOT being exploited, they are being dumb asses!

Are you saying capitalism is exploitation?

Oh Christ!!!

[MassiveTruck]

LOL @ how Massive thinks he's the most clever person in the world!

Looking at some of the views on this thread about capitalism and exploitation, I probably am.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

LOL @ how Massive thinks he's the most clever person in the world!

Looking at some of the views on this thread about capitalism and exploitation, I probably am.

Lol, of course it is, even a capitalist would tell you that.

[MassiveTruck]

I think MassiveTruck loves Marcus, why else does he devote so much attention to him.

Admit it you lurrve him?

He does seem to have Marcus tourettes at thee moment Junky doesn't he! Every second word seems to be about him!

:hugesmile:

I think he's hoping to be mentioned by Marcus on a TV station, but if that happens the mess he'll make will take ages to clean up. Its like kids in a playground hitting each other then with chase me chase me games.

It can really be the only reason why....

I mean unless he does hate Marcus that much, but how pathetic would that be so long after the show has ended?

If there is this ridiculous obeisance to him, like you're giving offering to some God made out of cack - then people will comment on that.

If you are so up his behind about it - then people will comment at how stupid and ridiculous it is.

It's quite simple.

It's laughable that fans of his or otherwise get so wound up by criticism against him they have to attack the user and not discuss the factor involved

But this just makes it as laughable at how such a loser is admired so much but hey... that's why I like talking it about it. Enjoyable to see people admire him even more instead of being sane and logical and saying "fair play mate, he's a dick. God knows what I was thinking."

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

you do not discuss you preach and insult - are you hands as clean as they claim they are?

[MassiveTruck]

you do not discuss you preach and insult - are you hands as clean as they claim they are?

I discuss.

You're afraid to take in the fact that people are ready to give a note by note account of why they are the way they are.

Is it my fault that the responses "oh no, he's not exploiting because that's not exploiting - he's only selling a piece of paper for over ONE HUNDRED POUNDS!!"

DERR!!!

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

you do not discuss you preach and insult - are you hands as clean as they claim they are?

I discuss.

You're afraid to take in the fact that people are ready to give a note by note account of why they are the way they are.

Is it my fault that the responses "oh no, he's not exploiting because that's not exploiting - he's only selling a piece of paper for over ONE HUNDRED POUNDS!!"

DERR!!!

Its an auction, people choose how much they want to pay for it, not him.

to quote you DERR!!!! (an insult I might add, again, why?)

[MassiveTruck]

you do not discuss you preach and insult - are you hands as clean as they claim they are?

I discuss.

You're afraid to take in the fact that people are ready to give a note by note account of why they are the way they are.

Is it my fault that the responses "oh no, he's not exploiting because that's not exploiting - he's only selling a piece of paper for over ONE HUNDRED POUNDS!!"

DERR!!!

Its an auction, people choose how much they want to pay for it, not him.

to quote you DERR!!!! (an insult I might add, again, why?)

Congratulations.

You attained what others could not. You bored me out of this thread.

[bansheewails]

you do not discuss you preach and insult - are you hands as clean as they claim they are?

I discuss.

You're afraid to take in the fact that people are ready to give a note by note account of why they are the way they are.

Is it my fault that the responses "oh no, he's not exploiting because that's not exploiting - he's only selling a piece of paper for over ONE HUNDRED POUNDS!!"

DERR!!!

Van Gogh,The Sunflowers, a piece of canvas with painted daubed upon it. 11 million pounds, exploitation or not? I am a Van Gogh fan, but I wouldn't pay that money even if I had it. Fools and their money! Capitalism is exploitation, but who is being expoilted? Study Economics supply and demand, and make a reasoned decision!

[Cybele]

you do not discuss you preach and insult - are you hands as clean as they claim they are?

I discuss.

You're afraid to take in the fact that people are ready to give a note by note account of why they are the way they are.

Is it my fault that the responses "oh no, he's not exploiting because that's not exploiting - he's only selling a piece of paper for over ONE HUNDRED POUNDS!!"

DERR!!!

Its an auction, people choose how much they want to pay for it, not him.

to quote you DERR!!!! (an insult I might add, again, why?)

Congratulations.

You attained what others could not. You bored me out of this thread.

I hope that is true but I highly doubt it. Because you absolutely MUST have the last word. Even if you twist facts or even outright lie. You can't help yourself. You are compulsive in your persecution of a guy who was on a reality show. You claim others have messiah complexes etc, but you are the one who is watching his every move.

I think he turns you on a bit, Massive. :whistle:

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

you do not discuss you preach and insult - are you hands as clean as they claim they are?

I discuss.

You're afraid to take in the fact that people are ready to give a note by note account of why they are the way they are.

Is it my fault that the responses "oh no, he's not exploiting because that's not exploiting - he's only selling a piece of paper for over ONE HUNDRED POUNDS!!"

DERR!!!

Its an auction, people choose how much they want to pay for it, not him.

to quote you DERR!!!! (an insult I might add, again, why?)

Congratulations.

You attained what others could not. You bored me out of this thread.

I hope that is true but I highly doubt it. Because you absolutely MUST have the last word. Even if you twist facts or even outright lie. You can't help yourself. You are compulsive in your persecution of a guy who was on a reality show. You claim others have messiah complexes etc, but you are the one who is watching his every move.

I think he turns you on a bit, Massive. :whistle:

as a straight male, I would love to be ploughed by Marcus :blush:

[nut]

you do not discuss you preach and insult - are you hands as clean as they claim they are?

I discuss.

You're afraid to take in the fact that people are ready to give a note by note account of why they are the way they are.

Is it my fault that the responses "oh no, he's not exploiting because that's not exploiting - he's only selling a piece of paper for over ONE HUNDRED POUNDS!!"

DERR!!!try and buy the original "United States Bill of Rights" thats just a pice of paper with words on its priceless no price can be put on it, its just a pice of paper work that one out? what about wall paper people buy that dont they? who ever buys marcus's pice of paper will frame it put it on the wall so what? wtf as it got to do with you? why do you give a sh**? trolling the forums every where i look now you are massive truck! i think its against the rules to go over the top about a housemate and i think you have stepped way over that line in regards to marcus hate posts. I think you need a cooling off period, because you are p**ing lots of people off with your Anti marcus threads and posts its called = baiting and trolling of the forum trying to get a rise out of forum members with your posts.

[vladicus]

john lennon autograph on ebay 900 pound that a bit of paper massive truck look at the rules your hate for marcus will end up getting you banned

[Shasown]

Massive, could i ask what proof you have for saying that Marcus deliberately upped the bidding on ebay, or that he lives with his mother, or even any of your other claims against him.

Is all this hate really because you are an unemployable single male sponging off your parents, who has a fear of women?

[MassiveTruck]

john lennon autograph on ebay 900 pound that a bit of paper massive truck look at the rules your hate for marcus will end up getting you banned

Oh God. Now you're comparing John Lennon to Marcus. This is getting ridiculous!

Seriously! Go out into the real world and most people will tell you he is taking advantage of stupidity. Go for it. In the background Marcus will be laughing at you.

Don't worry.

I can't be bothered any more. I thought there would have been a valid space available to discuss this properly but the blind love and devotion to somebody desperate to take advantage of people who only liked him because he had an argument with Lisa and they only disliked Lisa because they dislike Kris because he's good looking and they argued with Freddie - who emulated the outsiders of society that watch BB because; well it exhibits the outsiders of society doesn't it with exhibitionists and attention seekers in Siavash and Marcus...

You can never ever get through to people that way.

Of course this is easily emergence theory where people of like minded thoughts will come together, against the mainstream orthodox conventional behaviours of society - especially when TV exhibits something like Marcus and Siavash as though they're something special (when they're not, but that's my point)... only special in the eyes of a group of people who couldn't fathom the fact that normal people will always win Big Brother.

Apart from Nadia - God knows what happened there. Oh... I remember. He lied.

[MassiveTruck]

Massive, could i ask what proof you have for saying that Marcus deliberately upped the bidding on ebay, or that he lives with his mother, or even any of your other claims against him.

Is all this hate really because you are an unemployable single male sponging off your parents, who has a fear of women?

Are you so uptight about my views on Marcus because you are an unemployable male sponging off his parents?

Are you getting personal because you have no life beyond Big Brother and your admiration for such a loser is blind to the point you can't accept any opinion?

Are you afraid of people with money and so you have to lie that you are a bodyguard?

Seriously. Grow a pair. You were up all night against somebody the other night about Karly and Kenneth and you're talking to me about losers and hate...

Right...

You're obsessed with this show. Here's a clue... he didn't win. He lost. So did Siavash. They lost because the vast majority of people who have a life post Big Brother didn't like them and only a minority liked them - mainly those on forums because those who have no time for forums have a life.

Seriously... add it up. It makes sense eventually. You're lucky this member of the majority is here to give you the truth, even though it's difficult to accept... or you just can't accept the truth because you can't handle it.

Go and pretend to be a bodyguard because you're jealous somebody is boning a girl you fancy.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Again with the insults MassiveTruck......and the put downs.

If its an auction and people set their own price - how is that wrong?

[bansheewails]

Who decides who is special or who is worthy of public attention? Why is that decision yours?

The point is people pay ridiclous sums of money for what other people consider rubbish, but it is their choice and can not be considered exploitation if it is a considered decision, ie. their own choice, to pay fo it.

But why do you think only your on opinion on the matter counts?

[MassiveTruck]

Again with the insults MassiveTruck......and the put downs.

If its an auction and people set their own price - how is that wrong?

I admire your objectivity - or the lack of it.

How about the insults in my direction? Check Shasown's posts - which he does to anybody who doesn't agree with him.

Now... about the auction and the price. That's the discussion of the thread.

Is the item worth the selling price and what kind of people pay for it and does the seller know people would be foolish enough to pay this and that's why he is selling it. That is the discussion...

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

You say people have a blind love - but aren't you aware you are coming across as being blinded by hate?

[MassiveTruck]

Who decides who is special or who is worthy of public attention? Why is that decision yours?

The point is people pay ridiclous sums of money for what other people consider rubbish, but it is their choice and can not be considered exploitation if it is a considered decision, ie. their own choice, to pay fo it.

But why do you think only your on opinion on the matter counts?



Of course it can be exploitation if it is out of decision. It's the basis of that decision that makes it exploitation. If that decision is based upon influence of an intangible nature - which this is. In that Marcus is pretty much unknown and pointless as a person selling something that he never owned...

that key, he never owned. But people are paying ridiculous amounts of money because he posted curses and swear words on Digital Spy. That is exploitation because the decision is influenced by lies and conjecture.

You could say all this a thousand times but it's laughable, stupid, ridiculous to pay so much for what is in actuality, nothing. And the people who encourage this in the light of this are exploiting people.

Hard to accept because people were so adoring and devoting time to this man but the truth hurts, doesn't it. That's why nobody wants to believe it.

[MassiveTruck]

You say people have a blind love - but aren't you aware you are coming across as being blinded by hate?

No. I'm not.

I'm commenting on the behaviour of people who watch Big Brother.

Your only response is a shallow "blind hate" and "you hate hiim".

Well guess what, Big Brothers over and this is what you have. People desperate for it to continue that they are willing to pay so much to justify it's importance and Marcus'

It's madness.

But oh no - that's wrong because people have vested interest in keeping it's importance going. That is very sad and pitiful.

[bansheewails]

Who decides who is special or who is worthy of public attention? Why is that decision yours?

The point is people pay ridiclous sums of money for what other people consider rubbish, but it is their choice and can not be considered exploitation if it is a considered decision, ie. their own choice, to pay fo it.

But why do you think only your on opinion on the matter counts?



Of course it can be exploitation if it is out of decision. It's the basis of that decision that makes it exploitation. If that decision is based upon influence of an intangible nature - which this is. In that Marcus is pretty much unknown and pointless as a person selling something that he never owned...

that key, he never owned. But people are paying ridiculous amounts of money because he posted curses and swear words on Digital Spy. That is exploitation because the decision is influenced by lies and conjecture.

You could say all this a thousand times but it's laughable, stupid, ridiculous to pay so much for what is in actuality, nothing. And the people who encourage this in the light of this are exploiting people.

Hard to accept because people were so adoring and devoting time to this man but the truth hurts, doesn't it. That's why nobody wants to believe it.

Your reasoning here makes no sense I am afraid. The first person to buy a Da Vinci, Warhol or Beatles Poster, they were making a decision based on an unknown quanity. It pleased them, does any one need another reason?

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Again with the insults MassiveTruck......and the put downs.

If its an auction and people set their own price - how is that wrong?

I admire your objectivity - or the lack of it.

How about the insults in my direction? Check Shasown's posts - which he does to anybody who doesn't agree with him.

Now... about the auction and the price. That's the discussion of the thread.

Is the item worth the selling price and what kind of people pay for it and does the seller know people would be foolish enough to pay this and that's why he is selling it. That is the discussion...

Well seeing as how the selling price was 99p then yeah it probably was, if people force it up then its there own stupidity rather than anything Marcus has to do. Even this thread made by you was advertising the ebay auction, drawing attention to it, hell, even building its interest up. As such you could say YOU were exploiting people by making them think this was something bigger than it is and they might increase there bid 'ohhh theres a discussion going on, I will now pay £2.......'


So an insult needs another insult or is that just an easier way of not answering the point in matter.

There are clearly reasons why you feel so strongly about Marcus and it certainly isn't about exploitation. So why don't you finally just tell us what it is.

Oh and Nadia is a she. No need to be nasty towards people you don't even know and don't care about your existance.

[MassiveTruck]

Who decides who is special or who is worthy of public attention? Why is that decision yours?

The point is people pay ridiclous sums of money for what other people consider rubbish, but it is their choice and can not be considered exploitation if it is a considered decision, ie. their own choice, to pay fo it.

But why do you think only your on opinion on the matter counts?



Of course it can be exploitation if it is out of decision. It's the basis of that decision that makes it exploitation. If that decision is based upon influence of an intangible nature - which this is. In that Marcus is pretty much unknown and pointless as a person selling something that he never owned...

that key, he never owned. But people are paying ridiculous amounts of money because he posted curses and swear words on Digital Spy. That is exploitation because the decision is influenced by lies and conjecture.

You could say all this a thousand times but it's laughable, stupid, ridiculous to pay so much for what is in actuality, nothing. And the people who encourage this in the light of this are exploiting people.

Hard to accept because people were so adoring and devoting time to this man but the truth hurts, doesn't it. That's why nobody wants to believe it.

Your reasoning here makes no sense I am afraid. The first person to buy a Da Vinci, Warhol or Beatles Poster, they were making a decision based on an unknown quanity. It pleased them, does any one need another reason?



Nothing appears to make sense to you I've noticed.

Now you're comparing Da Vinci, Warhol and the Beatles to Marcus? Is there no end to this.

And the first person to buy a Da Vinci, didn't pay much or a Warhol. It was later after their popularity as people with "talent" (being the operative word) that the price increased.

And the Beatles? Seriously? Are you having a laugh?

Now if this is why it doesn't make sense because you make ridiculous outlandish claims that Marcus is in the same league as the Beatles et al - and that that bloody key and piece of paper (based upon you logic might I add) will be worth hundreds of thousands in years to come, based upon it's current price...

well. There is the sense on the basis of the illogical.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

You say people have a blind love - but aren't you aware you are coming across as being blinded by hate?

No. I'm not.

I'm commenting on the behaviour of people who watch Big Brother.

Your only response is a shallow "blind hate" and "you hate hiim".

Well guess what, Big Brothers over and this is what you have. People desperate for it to continue that they are willing to pay so much to justify it's importance and Marcus'

It's madness.

But oh no - that's wrong because people have vested interest in keeping it's importance going. That is very sad and pitiful.

This is what I have????

I like the way you carpet statement about everyone and refuse to accept what more than a few people have said about yourself. You said you were bored with this thread and you wouldn't return, so surely coming back (whether people have posted or not) means that you are also one of those people that are desperate for BB not to end. Why else would you be on the forum so much, tending to your threads more than any other thread.

Why is BB so important to you that you constantly keep this going? Is this about EXPLOITATION or YOU?

[MassiveTruck]

Again with the insults MassiveTruck......and the put downs.

If its an auction and people set their own price - how is that wrong?

I admire your objectivity - or the lack of it.

How about the insults in my direction? Check Shasown's posts - which he does to anybody who doesn't agree with him.

Now... about the auction and the price. That's the discussion of the thread.

Is the item worth the selling price and what kind of people pay for it and does the seller know people would be foolish enough to pay this and that's why he is selling it. That is the discussion...

Well seeing as how the selling price was 99p then yeah it probably was, if people force it up then its there own stupidity rather than anything Marcus has to do. Even this thread made by you was advertising the ebay auction, drawing attention to it, hell, even building its interest up. As such you could say YOU were exploiting people by making them think this was something bigger than it is and they might increase there bid 'ohhh theres a discussion going on, I will now pay £2.......'


So an insult needs another insult or is that just an easier way of not answering the point in matter.

There are clearly reasons why you feel so strongly about Marcus and it certainly isn't about exploitation. So why don't you finally just tell us what it is.

Oh and Nadia is a she. No need to be nasty towards people you don't even know and don't care about your existance.


You only think I have a huge problem with Marcus because you have such a huge admiration for him.

Really... think about it.

This is all about how crazy people get and such an easy topic to rate things on.

And Nadia, is a he. Always a he. It's not nasty at all. If you study Trans-sexualism, Gender Dysphoria and the nature of Sexual confusion... you'll realise. It's a he.

I love how you're trying to divert it away from Marcus and saying the people are stupid for paying that much. Wonderful...

[MassiveTruck]

You say people have a blind love - but aren't you aware you are coming across as being blinded by hate?

No. I'm not.

I'm commenting on the behaviour of people who watch Big Brother.

Your only response is a shallow "blind hate" and "you hate hiim".

Well guess what, Big Brothers over and this is what you have. People desperate for it to continue that they are willing to pay so much to justify it's importance and Marcus'

It's madness.

But oh no - that's wrong because people have vested interest in keeping it's importance going. That is very sad and pitiful.

This is what I have????

I like the way you carpet statement about everyone and refuse to accept what more than a few people have said about yourself. You said you were bored with this thread and you wouldn't return, so surely coming back (whether people have posted or not) means that you are also one of those people that are desperate for BB not to end. Why else would you be on the forum so much, tending to your threads more than any other thread.

Why is BB so important to you that you constantly keep this going? Is this about EXPLOITATION or YOU?

It's about exploitation? Who are you? Marcus' lawyer? Or just somebody needing to justify and safeguard their admiration and devotion to somebody who lives with their mum?

[MassiveTruck]

You say people have a blind love - but aren't you aware you are coming across as being blinded by hate?

No. I'm not.

I'm commenting on the behaviour of people who watch Big Brother.

Your only response is a shallow "blind hate" and "you hate hiim".

Well guess what, Big Brothers over and this is what you have. People desperate for it to continue that they are willing to pay so much to justify it's importance and Marcus'

It's madness.

But oh no - that's wrong because people have vested interest in keeping it's importance going. That is very sad and pitiful.

This is what I have????

I like the way you carpet statement about everyone and refuse to accept what more than a few people have said about yourself. You said you were bored with this thread and you wouldn't return, so surely coming back (whether people have posted or not) means that you are also one of those people that are desperate for BB not to end. Why else would you be on the forum so much, tending to your threads more than any other thread.

Why is BB so important to you that you constantly keep this going? Is this about EXPLOITATION or YOU?

Oh and your view that I bumped this thread are not true.

Are you saying I have no right to reply to people now? Oh come on...

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Again with the insults MassiveTruck......and the put downs.

If its an auction and people set their own price - how is that wrong?

I admire your objectivity - or the lack of it.

How about the insults in my direction? Check Shasown's posts - which he does to anybody who doesn't agree with him.

Now... about the auction and the price. That's the discussion of the thread.

Is the item worth the selling price and what kind of people pay for it and does the seller know people would be foolish enough to pay this and that's why he is selling it. That is the discussion...

Well seeing as how the selling price was 99p then yeah it probably was, if people force it up then its there own stupidity rather than anything Marcus has to do. Even this thread made by you was advertising the ebay auction, drawing attention to it, hell, even building its interest up. As such you could say YOU were exploiting people by making them think this was something bigger than it is and they might increase there bid 'ohhh theres a discussion going on, I will now pay £2.......'


So an insult needs another insult or is that just an easier way of not answering the point in matter.

There are clearly reasons why you feel so strongly about Marcus and it certainly isn't about exploitation. So why don't you finally just tell us what it is.

Oh and Nadia is a she. No need to be nasty towards people you don't even know and don't care about your existance.


You only think I have a huge problem with Marcus because you have such a huge admiration for him.

Really... think about it.

This is all about how crazy people get and such an easy topic to rate things on.

And Nadia, is a he. Always a he. It's not nasty at all. If you study Trans-sexualism, Gender Dysphoria and the nature of Sexual confusion... you'll realise. It's a he.

I love how you're trying to divert it away from Marcus and saying the people are stupid for paying that much. Wonderful...

HAHAHA, Im not a Marcus fan I am however someone that will argue a point that I know is right. I couldn't care about Marcus.

You are the one the constantly diverts, but how does Marcus make them do this?

answer that

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

You say people have a blind love - but aren't you aware you are coming across as being blinded by hate?

No. I'm not.

I'm commenting on the behaviour of people who watch Big Brother.

Your only response is a shallow "blind hate" and "you hate hiim".

Well guess what, Big Brothers over and this is what you have. People desperate for it to continue that they are willing to pay so much to justify it's importance and Marcus'

It's madness.

But oh no - that's wrong because people have vested interest in keeping it's importance going. That is very sad and pitiful.

This is what I have????

I like the way you carpet statement about everyone and refuse to accept what more than a few people have said about yourself. You said you were bored with this thread and you wouldn't return, so surely coming back (whether people have posted or not) means that you are also one of those people that are desperate for BB not to end. Why else would you be on the forum so much, tending to your threads more than any other thread.

Why is BB so important to you that you constantly keep this going? Is this about EXPLOITATION or YOU?

Oh and your view that I bumped this thread are not true.

Are you saying I have no right to reply to people now? Oh come on...


No Im not at all saying that, but if you were bored why come back? You weren't bored of it at all. You just want the attention maybe?

[bansheewails]

Who decides who is special or who is worthy of public attention? Why is that decision yours?

The point is people pay ridiclous sums of money for what other people consider rubbish, but it is their choice and can not be considered exploitation if it is a considered decision, ie. their own choice, to pay fo it.

But why do you think only your on opinion on the matter counts?



Of course it can be exploitation if it is out of decision. It's the basis of that decision that makes it exploitation. If that decision is based upon influence of an intangible nature - which this is. In that Marcus is pretty much unknown and pointless as a person selling something that he never owned...

that key, he never owned. But people are paying ridiculous amounts of money because he posted curses and swear words on Digital Spy. That is exploitation because the decision is influenced by lies and conjecture.

You could say all this a thousand times but it's laughable, stupid, ridiculous to pay so much for what is in actuality, nothing. And the people who encourage this in the light of this are exploiting people.

Hard to accept because people were so adoring and devoting time to this man but the truth hurts, doesn't it. That's why nobody wants to believe it.

Your reasoning here makes no sense I am afraid. The first person to buy a Da Vinci, Warhol or Beatles Poster, they were making a decision based on an unknown quanity. It pleased them, does any one need another reason?



Nothing appears to make sense to you I've noticed.

Now you're comparing Da Vinci, Warhol and the Beatles to Marcus? Is there no end to this.

And the first person to buy a Da Vinci, didn't pay much or a Warhol. It was later after their popularity as people with "talent" (being the operative word) that the price increased.

And the Beatles? Seriously? Are you having a laugh?

Now if this is why it doesn't make sense because you make ridiculous outlandish claims that Marcus is in the same league as the Beatles et al - and that that bloody key and piece of paper (based upon you logic might I add) will be worth hundreds of thousands in years to come, based upon it's current price...

well. There is the sense on the basis of the illogical.

I think you need some help here, because you are deliberayely missing the point I am trying to make. The point is, we all admire different people, one mans art, music etc., is another mans toilet paper. Marcus' ebay material is your toilet paper, for another person it is better than an autograph or a piece of art. It is their deicision, not yours, how they spend their money.

Go keep going on about how much we admire Marcus and it is blinding us, but that is rot. Marcus on BB made me laugh. Since BB has been over I have not bought so much as a magazine with a former housemate on the cover. Once it is over that it my interest is on other things.

Everything is exploitation, that is what makes commerce work. Without it we still would be trading food and judging by your posts you would be starving in a corner some where.

[MassiveTruck]

Again with the insults MassiveTruck......and the put downs.

If its an auction and people set their own price - how is that wrong?

I admire your objectivity - or the lack of it.

How about the insults in my direction? Check Shasown's posts - which he does to anybody who doesn't agree with him.

Now... about the auction and the price. That's the discussion of the thread.

Is the item worth the selling price and what kind of people pay for it and does the seller know people would be foolish enough to pay this and that's why he is selling it. That is the discussion...

Well seeing as how the selling price was 99p then yeah it probably was, if people force it up then its there own stupidity rather than anything Marcus has to do. Even this thread made by you was advertising the ebay auction, drawing attention to it, hell, even building its interest up. As such you could say YOU were exploiting people by making them think this was something bigger than it is and they might increase there bid 'ohhh theres a discussion going on, I will now pay £2.......'


So an insult needs another insult or is that just an easier way of not answering the point in matter.

There are clearly reasons why you feel so strongly about Marcus and it certainly isn't about exploitation. So why don't you finally just tell us what it is.

Oh and Nadia is a she. No need to be nasty towards people you don't even know and don't care about your existance.


You only think I have a huge problem with Marcus because you have such a huge admiration for him.

Really... think about it.

This is all about how crazy people get and such an easy topic to rate things on.

And Nadia, is a he. Always a he. It's not nasty at all. If you study Trans-sexualism, Gender Dysphoria and the nature of Sexual confusion... you'll realise. It's a he.

I love how you're trying to divert it away from Marcus and saying the people are stupid for paying that much. Wonderful...

HAHAHA, Im not a Marcus fan I am however someone that will argue a point that I know is right. I couldn't care about Marcus.

You are the one the constantly diverts, but how does Marcus make them do this?

answer that

What?

I have no idea what that says or means. You probably wrote it in the heat of a lot of anger.

So you're saying, you don't like Marcus - so you're just arguing with me because you find something worth arguing about and just like to shout and screech a lot of nonsensical and irrelevant stuff?

That doesn't seem right...

So you're just somebody who likes to have a mob mentality and join the mob to have a go at somebody.

That in fact is a lot worse than being a Marcus fan and doing it. At least then you have a reason related to the show. You're just wanting to be part of a mob and have a go at people.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

You say people have a blind love - but aren't you aware you are coming across as being blinded by hate?

No. I'm not.

I'm commenting on the behaviour of people who watch Big Brother.

Your only response is a shallow "blind hate" and "you hate hiim".

Well guess what, Big Brothers over and this is what you have. People desperate for it to continue that they are willing to pay so much to justify it's importance and Marcus'

It's madness.

But oh no - that's wrong because people have vested interest in keeping it's importance going. That is very sad and pitiful.

This is what I have????

I like the way you carpet statement about everyone and refuse to accept what more than a few people have said about yourself. You said you were bored with this thread and you wouldn't return, so surely coming back (whether people have posted or not) means that you are also one of those people that are desperate for BB not to end. Why else would you be on the forum so much, tending to your threads more than any other thread.

Why is BB so important to you that you constantly keep this going? Is this about EXPLOITATION or YOU?

It's about exploitation? Who are you? Marcus' lawyer? Or just somebody needing to justify and safeguard their admiration and devotion to somebody who lives with their mum?

again with the insults

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Again with the insults MassiveTruck......and the put downs.

If its an auction and people set their own price - how is that wrong?

I admire your objectivity - or the lack of it.

How about the insults in my direction? Check Shasown's posts - which he does to anybody who doesn't agree with him.

Now... about the auction and the price. That's the discussion of the thread.

Is the item worth the selling price and what kind of people pay for it and does the seller know people would be foolish enough to pay this and that's why he is selling it. That is the discussion...

Well seeing as how the selling price was 99p then yeah it probably was, if people force it up then its there own stupidity rather than anything Marcus has to do. Even this thread made by you was advertising the ebay auction, drawing attention to it, hell, even building its interest up. As such you could say YOU were exploiting people by making them think this was something bigger than it is and they might increase there bid 'ohhh theres a discussion going on, I will now pay £2.......'


So an insult needs another insult or is that just an easier way of not answering the point in matter.

There are clearly reasons why you feel so strongly about Marcus and it certainly isn't about exploitation. So why don't you finally just tell us what it is.

Oh and Nadia is a she. No need to be nasty towards people you don't even know and don't care about your existance.


You only think I have a huge problem with Marcus because you have such a huge admiration for him.

Really... think about it.

This is all about how crazy people get and such an easy topic to rate things on.

And Nadia, is a he. Always a he. It's not nasty at all. If you study Trans-sexualism, Gender Dysphoria and the nature of Sexual confusion... you'll realise. It's a he.

I love how you're trying to divert it away from Marcus and saying the people are stupid for paying that much. Wonderful...

HAHAHA, Im not a Marcus fan I am however someone that will argue a point that I know is right. I couldn't care about Marcus.

You are the one the constantly diverts, but how does Marcus make them do this?

answer that

What?

I have no idea what that says or means. You probably wrote it in the heat of a lot of anger.

So you're saying, you don't like Marcus - so you're just arguing with me because you find something worth arguing about and just like to shout and screech a lot of nonsensical and irrelevant stuff?

That doesn't seem right...

So you're just somebody who likes to have a mob mentality and join the mob to have a go at somebody.

That in fact is a lot worse than being a Marcus fan and doing it. At least then you have a reason related to the show. You're just wanting to be part of a mob and have a go at people.

Nah man, Im not angry, and nor am I arguing something for the sake of it, Im arguing it becuase you continue to spill this on the forum, am I not free to reply?

How is Marcus making people increase the bidding?

[MassiveTruck]

Who decides who is special or who is worthy of public attention? Why is that decision yours?

The point is people pay ridiclous sums of money for what other people consider rubbish, but it is their choice and can not be considered exploitation if it is a considered decision, ie. their own choice, to pay fo it.

But why do you think only your on opinion on the matter counts?



Of course it can be exploitation if it is out of decision. It's the basis of that decision that makes it exploitation. If that decision is based upon influence of an intangible nature - which this is. In that Marcus is pretty much unknown and pointless as a person selling something that he never owned...

that key, he never owned. But people are paying ridiculous amounts of money because he posted curses and swear words on Digital Spy. That is exploitation because the decision is influenced by lies and conjecture.

You could say all this a thousand times but it's laughable, stupid, ridiculous to pay so much for what is in actuality, nothing. And the people who encourage this in the light of this are exploiting people.

Hard to accept because people were so adoring and devoting time to this man but the truth hurts, doesn't it. That's why nobody wants to believe it.

Your reasoning here makes no sense I am afraid. The first person to buy a Da Vinci, Warhol or Beatles Poster, they were making a decision based on an unknown quanity. It pleased them, does any one need another reason?



Nothing appears to make sense to you I've noticed.

Now you're comparing Da Vinci, Warhol and the Beatles to Marcus? Is there no end to this.

And the first person to buy a Da Vinci, didn't pay much or a Warhol. It was later after their popularity as people with "talent" (being the operative word) that the price increased.

And the Beatles? Seriously? Are you having a laugh?

Now if this is why it doesn't make sense because you make ridiculous outlandish claims that Marcus is in the same league as the Beatles et al - and that that bloody key and piece of paper (based upon you logic might I add) will be worth hundreds of thousands in years to come, based upon it's current price...

well. There is the sense on the basis of the illogical.

I think you need some help here, because you are deliberayely missing the point I am trying to make. The point is, we all admire different people, one mans art, music etc., is another mans toilet paper. Marcus' ebay material is your toilet paper, for another person it is better than an autograph or a piece of art. It is their deicision, not yours, how they spend their money.

Go keep going on about how much we admire Marcus and it is blinding us, but that is rot. Marcus on BB made me laugh. Since BB has been over I have not bought so much as a magazine with a former housemate on the cover. Once it is over that it my interest is on other things.

Everything is exploitation, that is what makes commerce work. Without it we still would be trading food and judging by your posts you would be starving in a corner some where.



I think you're missing the point because your analogy is not relevant.

Now, I'm a bit pissed that I have to explain this to you. I have to state this as I've written the below already but it needs explaining because what you say has a gross irrelevance and is not connected to what is being said here because they are two totally different things!!!

Listen. Andy Warhol, Star Wars Memorabilia - stuff that sells for thousands, millions has a cultural price, an actual basis that it is worth something because it is a part of history. It is something special. Very very special to the world. You're comparing these things and you are also saying they are **** to somebody. Now that is ridiculous.

Again, I repeat - special point - your analogy is irrelevant. Understand that.

What Marcus is selling, listen up here, is based upon exploitation of people who have nothing better to do than to idolise and raise his importance. Let me make this clear - it's only a handful of people too. It's not like millions and millions who know that some lightsabre on Star Wars has investment opportunities. That is different. They are actually worth something on a historical, cultural basis. That is their investment and that's why they mean so much.

What Marcus is selling is not worth much at all. At the most the key? 10 pounds - the paper? a fraction of a penny... - to a Marcus fan? Maybe 10 pounds unless you are stupid.

Now stupidity, justification, reasoning - based upon the illusory and people like you arguing that it has importance when you wouldn't pay that money yourself (congratulations by the way, you're encouraging the exploitation) make these people think it's special. 10 years down the line when they have a different life they'll be wiping their arses with that paper and cursing people on forums that encouraged it.

I hope this is clear.

You think that words like "pleases" them is justification but it is exploitation because even a cake, a packet of crisps, a biscuit - pleases you. But that has substance. Christ on a bike man! This is over a thousand pounds were talking about. Are you seriously justifying this with all this irrelevance? Are you sitting there with a straight face?

Remember, it's a small minority who voted on the auction and if you look at the people who bid on it - a few looked like dodgy bids to raise the price from people with very low counts... think about it.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Most things are worthless to begin with, over time who knows..........

If you are so sure about it being fraudulant why haven't you contacted Ebay/Police

[MassiveTruck]

Again with the insults MassiveTruck......and the put downs.

If its an auction and people set their own price - how is that wrong?

I admire your objectivity - or the lack of it.

How about the insults in my direction? Check Shasown's posts - which he does to anybody who doesn't agree with him.

Now... about the auction and the price. That's the discussion of the thread.

Is the item worth the selling price and what kind of people pay for it and does the seller know people would be foolish enough to pay this and that's why he is selling it. That is the discussion...

Well seeing as how the selling price was 99p then yeah it probably was, if people force it up then its there own stupidity rather than anything Marcus has to do. Even this thread made by you was advertising the ebay auction, drawing attention to it, hell, even building its interest up. As such you could say YOU were exploiting people by making them think this was something bigger than it is and they might increase there bid 'ohhh theres a discussion going on, I will now pay £2.......'


So an insult needs another insult or is that just an easier way of not answering the point in matter.

There are clearly reasons why you feel so strongly about Marcus and it certainly isn't about exploitation. So why don't you finally just tell us what it is.

Oh and Nadia is a she. No need to be nasty towards people you don't even know and don't care about your existance.


You only think I have a huge problem with Marcus because you have such a huge admiration for him.

Really... think about it.

This is all about how crazy people get and such an easy topic to rate things on.

And Nadia, is a he. Always a he. It's not nasty at all. If you study Trans-sexualism, Gender Dysphoria and the nature of Sexual confusion... you'll realise. It's a he.

I love how you're trying to divert it away from Marcus and saying the people are stupid for paying that much. Wonderful...

HAHAHA, Im not a Marcus fan I am however someone that will argue a point that I know is right. I couldn't care about Marcus.

You are the one the constantly diverts, but how does Marcus make them do this?

answer that

What?

I have no idea what that says or means. You probably wrote it in the heat of a lot of anger.

So you're saying, you don't like Marcus - so you're just arguing with me because you find something worth arguing about and just like to shout and screech a lot of nonsensical and irrelevant stuff?

That doesn't seem right...

So you're just somebody who likes to have a mob mentality and join the mob to have a go at somebody.

That in fact is a lot worse than being a Marcus fan and doing it. At least then you have a reason related to the show. You're just wanting to be part of a mob and have a go at people.

Nah man, Im not angry, and nor am I arguing something for the sake of it, Im arguing it becuase you continue to spill this on the forum, am I not free to reply?

How is Marcus making people increase the bidding?

Of course you're angry. You're still here aren't you? I think you do adore Marcus or something else I said about Lisa or something hit a nerve.

He's increasing and exploiting people by advertising it, promoting it after realising the admiration people have for him on the forums.

I am sure I have said all of this already - right?

Come on. Wake up. Realise what you are arguing in favour of...

[MassiveTruck]

Most things are worthless to begin with, over time who knows..........

If you are so sure about it being fraudulant why haven't you contacted Ebay/Police

For God's sake?! Are you saying that piece of paper will be worth more than 130 pounds??? Seriously?

Oh God, give me strength!

Who said it was Fraudulent? :conf::conf:

I don't think you're really up to speed as to what we're talking about here are you...

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Most things are worthless to begin with, over time who knows..........

If you are so sure about it being fraudulant why haven't you contacted Ebay/Police

Who said it was Fraudulent? :conf::conf:

I don't think you're really up to speed as to what we're talking about here are you...

Did you not imply that some dodgy bids put the bidding up? If those bids weren't genuine then its fraud. Call them....

[MassiveTruck]

Most things are worthless to begin with, over time who knows..........

If you are so sure about it being fraudulant why haven't you contacted Ebay/Police

Who said it was Fraudulent? :conf::conf:

I don't think you're really up to speed as to what we're talking about here are you...

Did you not imply that some dodgy bids put the bidding up? If those bids weren't genuine then its fraud. Call them....

Yeah I'll give that a shot then. Thanks for telling me.

I wasn't going to do it earlier but I shall now.

I'll get onto it right now.

Cheers.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Again with the insults MassiveTruck......and the put downs.

If its an auction and people set their own price - how is that wrong?

I admire your objectivity - or the lack of it.

How about the insults in my direction? Check Shasown's posts - which he does to anybody who doesn't agree with him.

Now... about the auction and the price. That's the discussion of the thread.

Is the item worth the selling price and what kind of people pay for it and does the seller know people would be foolish enough to pay this and that's why he is selling it. That is the discussion...

Well seeing as how the selling price was 99p then yeah it probably was, if people force it up then its there own stupidity rather than anything Marcus has to do. Even this thread made by you was advertising the ebay auction, drawing attention to it, hell, even building its interest up. As such you could say YOU were exploiting people by making them think this was something bigger than it is and they might increase there bid 'ohhh theres a discussion going on, I will now pay £2.......'


So an insult needs another insult or is that just an easier way of not answering the point in matter.

There are clearly reasons why you feel so strongly about Marcus and it certainly isn't about exploitation. So why don't you finally just tell us what it is.

Oh and Nadia is a she. No need to be nasty towards people you don't even know and don't care about your existance.


You only think I have a huge problem with Marcus because you have such a huge admiration for him.

Really... think about it.

This is all about how crazy people get and such an easy topic to rate things on.

And Nadia, is a he. Always a he. It's not nasty at all. If you study Trans-sexualism, Gender Dysphoria and the nature of Sexual confusion... you'll realise. It's a he.

I love how you're trying to divert it away from Marcus and saying the people are stupid for paying that much. Wonderful...

HAHAHA, Im not a Marcus fan I am however someone that will argue a point that I know is right. I couldn't care about Marcus.

You are the one the constantly diverts, but how does Marcus make them do this?

answer that

What?

I have no idea what that says or means. You probably wrote it in the heat of a lot of anger.

So you're saying, you don't like Marcus - so you're just arguing with me because you find something worth arguing about and just like to shout and screech a lot of nonsensical and irrelevant stuff?

That doesn't seem right...

So you're just somebody who likes to have a mob mentality and join the mob to have a go at somebody.

That in fact is a lot worse than being a Marcus fan and doing it. At least then you have a reason related to the show. You're just wanting to be part of a mob and have a go at people.

Nah man, Im not angry, and nor am I arguing something for the sake of it, Im arguing it becuase you continue to spill this on the forum, am I not free to reply?

How is Marcus making people increase the bidding?

Of course you're angry. You're still here aren't you? I think you do adore Marcus or something else I said about Lisa or something hit a nerve.

He's increasing and exploiting people by advertising it, promoting it after realising the admiration people have for him on the forums.

I am sure I have said all of this already - right?

Come on. Wake up. Realise what you are arguing in favour of...

Well you're still here as well, so by that reasoning you must be angry as well. The same reasoning is why I wonder what your true feelings about Marcus are as you try so hard.

And yeah, you have repeated yourself many times over.

How is Marcus forcing people to bid?

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Most things are worthless to begin with, over time who knows..........

If you are so sure about it being fraudulant why haven't you contacted Ebay/Police

Who said it was Fraudulent? :conf::conf:

I don't think you're really up to speed as to what we're talking about here are you...

Did you not imply that some dodgy bids put the bidding up? If those bids weren't genuine then its fraud. Call them....

Yeah I'll give that a shot then. Thanks for telling me.

I wasn't going to do it earlier but I shall now.

I'll get onto it right now.

Cheers.

and if Ebay check it and nothing turns up - will you finally admit that Marcus isn't exploiting his fans?

[Niamh.]

Marcus threatened to kill them all with his eyebrows if they didn't bid higher I heard, Appearance_of_A_Junky!!

[MassiveTruck]

Most things are worthless to begin with, over time who knows..........

If you are so sure about it being fraudulant why haven't you contacted Ebay/Police

Who said it was Fraudulent? :conf::conf:

I don't think you're really up to speed as to what we're talking about here are you...

Did you not imply that some dodgy bids put the bidding up? If those bids weren't genuine then its fraud. Call them....

Yeah I'll give that a shot then. Thanks for telling me.

I wasn't going to do it earlier but I shall now.

I'll get onto it right now.

Cheers.

and if Ebay check it and nothing turns up - will you finally admit that Marcus isn't exploiting his fans?


No!! :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

It's still exploitation. PMSL

It just hurts that in the real world - people find this funny.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Marcus threatened to kill them all with his eyebrows if they didn't bid higher I heard, Appearance_of_A_Junky!!

I heard that too, and he was going to send them a jar of his breathe in a chemical warfare attack.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Most things are worthless to begin with, over time who knows..........

If you are so sure about it being fraudulant why haven't you contacted Ebay/Police

Who said it was Fraudulent? :conf::conf:

I don't think you're really up to speed as to what we're talking about here are you...

Did you not imply that some dodgy bids put the bidding up? If those bids weren't genuine then its fraud. Call them....

Yeah I'll give that a shot then. Thanks for telling me.

I wasn't going to do it earlier but I shall now.

I'll get onto it right now.

Cheers.

and if Ebay check it and nothing turns up - will you finally admit that Marcus isn't exploiting his fans?


No!! :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

It's still exploitation. PMSL

It just hurts that in the real world - people find this funny.

because its not exploitation,

and the vast majority of people agree with me - why not start a poll up if you are so confident.

So are you saying we are all idiots?

[MassiveTruck]

Most things are worthless to begin with, over time who knows..........

If you are so sure about it being fraudulant why haven't you contacted Ebay/Police

Who said it was Fraudulent? :conf::conf:

I don't think you're really up to speed as to what we're talking about here are you...

Did you not imply that some dodgy bids put the bidding up? If those bids weren't genuine then its fraud. Call them....

Yeah I'll give that a shot then. Thanks for telling me.

I wasn't going to do it earlier but I shall now.

I'll get onto it right now.

Cheers.

and if Ebay check it and nothing turns up - will you finally admit that Marcus isn't exploiting his fans?


No!! :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

It's still exploitation. PMSL

It just hurts that in the real world - people find this funny.

because its not exploitation,

and the vast majority of people agree with me - why not start a poll up if you are so confident.

So are you saying we are all idiots?

This appears to matter to you a great deal. Also it seems it is a case of mob mentality for you and you want to be a part of a mob to have a go at another users.

In the real world - this is laughable and if you look at other forums and if you ask people in the real world (away from the fascination and fanaticism of forums) people will say it's crazy.

Now I'm repeating myself (partly because you love to be part of a mob mentality and like to repeat a line to increase agitating users) but Marcus knows that a small minority will pay a lot towards and that is exploitation.

You know this but being part of a mob means so much more to you now - doesn't it.

Enjoy it.

[bansheewails]

Who decides who is special or who is worthy of public attention? Why is that decision yours?

The point is people pay ridiclous sums of money for what other people consider rubbish, but it is their choice and can not be considered exploitation if it is a considered decision, ie. their own choice, to pay fo it.

But why do you think only your on opinion on the matter counts?



Of course it can be exploitation if it is out of decision. It's the basis of that decision that makes it exploitation. If that decision is based upon influence of an intangible nature - which this is. In that Marcus is pretty much unknown and pointless as a person selling something that he never owned...

that key, he never owned. But people are paying ridiculous amounts of money because he posted curses and swear words on Digital Spy. That is exploitation because the decision is influenced by lies and conjecture.

You could say all this a thousand times but it's laughable, stupid, ridiculous to pay so much for what is in actuality, nothing. And the people who encourage this in the light of this are exploiting people.

Hard to accept because people were so adoring and devoting time to this man but the truth hurts, doesn't it. That's why nobody wants to believe it.

Your reasoning here makes no sense I am afraid. The first person to buy a Da Vinci, Warhol or Beatles Poster, they were making a decision based on an unknown quanity. It pleased them, does any one need another reason?



Nothing appears to make sense to you I've noticed.

Now you're comparing Da Vinci, Warhol and the Beatles to Marcus? Is there no end to this.

And the first person to buy a Da Vinci, didn't pay much or a Warhol. It was later after their popularity as people with "talent" (being the operative word) that the price increased.

And the Beatles? Seriously? Are you having a laugh?

Now if this is why it doesn't make sense because you make ridiculous outlandish claims that Marcus is in the same league as the Beatles et al - and that that bloody key and piece of paper (based upon you logic might I add) will be worth hundreds of thousands in years to come, based upon it's current price...

well. There is the sense on the basis of the illogical.

I think you need some help here, because you are deliberayely missing the point I am trying to make. The point is, we all admire different people, one mans art, music etc., is another mans toilet paper. Marcus' ebay material is your toilet paper, for another person it is better than an autograph or a piece of art. It is their deicision, not yours, how they spend their money.

Go keep going on about how much we admire Marcus and it is blinding us, but that is rot. Marcus on BB made me laugh. Since BB has been over I have not bought so much as a magazine with a former housemate on the cover. Once it is over that it my interest is on other things.

Everything is exploitation, that is what makes commerce work. Without it we still would be trading food and judging by your posts you would be starving in a corner some where.



I think you're missing the point because your analogy is not relevant.

Now, I'm a bit p****d that I have to explain this to you. I have to state this as I've written the below already but it needs explaining because what you say has a gross irrelevance and is not connected to what is being said here because they are two totally different things!!!

Listen. Andy Warhol, Star Wars Memorabilia - stuff that sells for thousands, millions has a cultural price, an actual basis that it is worth something because it is a part of history. It is something special. Very very special to the world. You're comparing these things and you are also saying they are s*** to somebody. Now that is ridiculous.

Again, I repeat - special point - your analogy is irrelevant. Understand that.

What Marcus is selling, listen up here, is based upon exploitation of people who have nothing better to do than to idolise and raise his importance. Let me make this clear - it's only a handful of people too. It's not like millions and millions who know that some lightsabre on Star Wars has investment opportunities. That is different. They are actually worth something on a historical, cultural basis. That is their investment and that's why they mean so much.

What Marcus is selling is not worth much at all. At the most the key? 10 pounds - the paper? a fraction of a penny... - to a Marcus fan? Maybe 10 pounds unless you are stupid.

Now stupidity, justification, reasoning - based upon the illusory and people like you arguing that it has importance when you wouldn't pay that money yourself (congratulations by the way, you're encouraging the exploitation) make these people think it's special. 10 years down the line when they have a different life they'll be wiping their arses with that paper and cursing people on forums that encouraged it.

I hope this is clear.

You think that words like "pleases" them is justification but it is exploitation because even a cake, a packet of crisps, a biscuit - pleases you. But that has substance. Christ on a bike man! This is over a thousand pounds were talking about. Are you seriously justifying this with all this irrelevance? Are you sitting there with a straight face?

Remember, it's a small minority who voted on the auction and if you look at the people who bid on it - a few looked like dodgy bids to raise the price from people with very low counts... think about it.

If you think it is dodgy complain about it. By the way, even tho I love the Star War films the memoriblia is ****. Bits of plastic people with no sense pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for, George Lucas should be ashamed of himselves for exploiting guilable people! :thumbs:

And another thing, how do you know for sure, that sometime in the future that Marcus doesnt become a famous rock star or film/tv star? And even if he doesn;t the person who buys his junk off ebay got something to remember him by, therefore are happy.

[MassiveTruck]

If you think it is dodgy complain about it. By the way, even tho I love the Star War films the memoriblia is ****. Bits of plastic people with no sense pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for, George Lucas should be ashamed of himselves for exploiting guilable people! :thumbs:

And another thing, how do you know for sure, that sometime in the future that Marcus doesnt become a famous rock star or film/tv star? And even if he doesn;t the person who buys his junk off ebay got something to remember him by, therefore are happy.

I've made the complaint.

You're saying somebody needs to spend 1380 pounds to be happy?

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Most things are worthless to begin with, over time who knows..........

If you are so sure about it being fraudulant why haven't you contacted Ebay/Police

Who said it was Fraudulent? :conf::conf:

I don't think you're really up to speed as to what we're talking about here are you...

Did you not imply that some dodgy bids put the bidding up? If those bids weren't genuine then its fraud. Call them....

Yeah I'll give that a shot then. Thanks for telling me.

I wasn't going to do it earlier but I shall now.

I'll get onto it right now.

Cheers.

and if Ebay check it and nothing turns up - will you finally admit that Marcus isn't exploiting his fans?


No!! :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

It's still exploitation. PMSL

It just hurts that in the real world - people find this funny.

because its not exploitation,

and the vast majority of people agree with me - why not start a poll up if you are so confident.

So are you saying we are all idiots?

This appears to matter to you a great deal. Also it seems it is a case of mob mentality for you and you want to be a part of a mob to have a go at another users.

In the real world - this is laughable and if you look at other forums and if you ask people in the real world (away from the fascination and fanaticism of forums) people will say it's crazy.

Now I'm repeating myself (partly because you love to be part of a mob mentality and like to repeat a line to increase agitating users) but Marcus knows that a small minority will pay a lot towards and that is exploitation.

You know this but being part of a mob means so much more to you now - doesn't it.

Enjoy it.

So because I disagree with you and have asked you many questions (some repeatedly) which you haven't answered. This makes me want to be a part of the mob?

The Mob as you call it is long gone.....there are only a handfull of people on here still posting so what Mob, who am I standing in front of going 'Look at me, Im attacking MassiveTruck, love me people'.

If so many people are against you is this always going to be the Mob or is it that maybe you might have to rethink your thoughts?

You say it appears to matter to me - why because I am responding.

This is your thread which you nearly respond to every post - so why does this matter to you so much.

This isn't exploitation in the same way that some big companies can do so why are you so passionate about this?

[MassiveTruck]

If you think it is dodgy complain about it. By the way, even tho I love the Star War films the memoriblia is ****. Bits of plastic people with no sense pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for, George Lucas should be ashamed of himselves for exploiting guilable people! :thumbs:

:conf::conf:

Again another irrelevant and misplaced example.

The bits of plastic you talk about sell for 5 pounds, a good rare one, maybe 50 quid. But generally around 10 pounds. And they don't go to George Lucas. It goes to the owner of the toy.

George sold the toys for about a couple of quid each so people could play with them and now they're about 5 pounds so you're wrong there as well.

The expensive star wars stuff is based upon movies that made billions around the world and are props from the show but nothing has gone for hundreds of thousands of pounds.

So again - you really are having difficulty finding an analogy or an example that is irrelevant or matches this as exploitation...

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

If you think it is dodgy complain about it. By the way, even tho I love the Star War films the memoriblia is ****. Bits of plastic people with no sense pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for, George Lucas should be ashamed of himselves for exploiting guilable people! :thumbs:

:conf::conf:

Again another irrelevant and misplaced example.

The bits of plastic you talk about sell for 5 pounds, a good rare one, maybe 50 quid. But generally around 10 pounds. And they don't go to George Lucas. It goes to the owner of the toy.

George sold the toys for about a couple of quid each so people could play with them and now they're about 5 pounds so you're wrong there as well.

The expensive star wars stuff is based upon movies that made billions around the world and are props from the show but nothing has gone for hundreds of thousands of pounds.

So again - you really are having difficulty finding an analogy or an example that is irrelevant or matches this as exploitation...



Not at the start, when there was only one film who knew what it would then become, people buy TV stuff as memoribilla all the time, its a gamble, just like any other investment.

That is what bansheewails point is, not about the TV show itself, but that its all originally a gamble.

And people gamble.

[MassiveTruck]

So because I disagree with you and have asked you many questions (some repeatedly) which you haven't answered. This makes me want to be a part of the mob?

The Mob as you call it is long gone.....there are only a handfull of people on here still posting so what Mob, who am I standing in front of going 'Look at me, Im attacking MassiveTruck, love me people'.

If so many people are against you is this always going to be the Mob or is it that maybe you might have to rethink your thoughts?

You say it appears to matter to me - why because I am responding.

This is your thread which you nearly respond to every post - so why does this matter to you so much.

This isn't exploitation in the same way that some big companies can do so why are you so passionate about this?



You talk about unanswered questions...

How about mine? Why are you doing this then? Why are you still here?

I have answered all your questions. If there are any I haven't go for it. You wrote all that based upon unanswered questions but I've made my position clear.

You seem to be repeating yourself and you have not at all answered or responded to my views of exploitation based upon selling junk for over a thousand pounds.

Your reasoning has been and is only "people can pay what they like".

My reasoning that you do not respond to, ignore as well is that this is based upon Marcus' own advertisement and publication based upon not himself but hatred of Lisa from people. You ignore all of that.

Then you have the nerve to say I haven't answered your questions?

And of course it is a mob mentality. Why else would you do this? Tell me... because you avoid the questions. You avoid the discussion. You repeat things that have already been answered.

If it isn't blind anger against something you have gained answers for - why are you doing it? You are beginning to make little to no sense.

All you have in response is a very strange "oh but everyone agrees with me, look I hate Marcus but everyone agrees with me" but then again I don't and I've schooled you over and over with your lack of responses and repeating.

[MassiveTruck]

If you think it is dodgy complain about it. By the way, even tho I love the Star War films the memoriblia is ****. Bits of plastic people with no sense pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for, George Lucas should be ashamed of himselves for exploiting guilable people! :thumbs:

:conf::conf:

Again another irrelevant and misplaced example.

The bits of plastic you talk about sell for 5 pounds, a good rare one, maybe 50 quid. But generally around 10 pounds. And they don't go to George Lucas. It goes to the owner of the toy.

George sold the toys for about a couple of quid each so people could play with them and now they're about 5 pounds so you're wrong there as well.

The expensive star wars stuff is based upon movies that made billions around the world and are props from the show but nothing has gone for hundreds of thousands of pounds.

So again - you really are having difficulty finding an analogy or an example that is irrelevant or matches this as exploitation...



Not at the start, when there was only one film who knew what it would then become, people buy TV stuff as memoribilla all the time, its a gamble, just like any other investment.

That is what bansheewails point is, not about the TV show itself, but that its all originally a gamble.

And people gamble.

There is so much that is wrong with what you have said that I don't know where to start.

George Lucas does not get the money.

It doesn't sell for hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Or did you miss that while you were replying to me? Seriously!!

Gamble??!?! GAMBLE?!?!

They were toys for a ****ing star wars film you idiot!!!

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Okay then I'll do it one by one.

How Is Marcus forcing people to buy his items?

[MassiveTruck]

Okay then I'll do it one by one.

How Is Marcus forcing people to buy his items?

I've already answered this.

Search for it.

If you keep giving me questions that I've answered and you avoid the ones I have mentioned...

then you're just running scared.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

oh and too answer one of yours, Im online doing something else, but whilst that takes time to work I have time to kill. But I need to be at a PC so....

I just think you are anti-marus so why can't I debate it. Why have you only responded in the Marcus-exploitation thread and not the Sophie one seeing as how you care so much about this.

[bansheewails]

If you think it is dodgy complain about it. By the way, even tho I love the Star War films the memoriblia is ****. Bits of plastic people with no sense pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for, George Lucas should be ashamed of himselves for exploiting guilable people! :thumbs:

:conf::conf:

Again another irrelevant and misplaced example.

The bits of plastic you talk about sell for 5 pounds, a good rare one, maybe 50 quid. But generally around 10 pounds. And they don't go to George Lucas. It goes to the owner of the toy.

George sold the toys for about a couple of quid each so people could play with them and now they're about 5 pounds so you're wrong there as well.

The expensive star wars stuff is based upon movies that made billions around the world and are props from the show but nothing has gone for hundreds of thousands of pounds.

So again - you really are having difficulty finding an analogy or an example that is irrelevant or matches this as exploitation...



I am talking about film memoriablia not the crappy toys! The props etc, and Lucas Films own or have owned the rights to the lot!

Again I ask, what give you the right to say what people should spend their own money on? What makes it right to spend money on one form of memoriblia or another? THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE!

[Niamh.]

Okay then I'll do it one by one.

How Is Marcus forcing people to buy his items?

Eyebrows........his eyebrows!!!!!

[MassiveTruck]

If you think it is dodgy complain about it. By the way, even tho I love the Star War films the memoriblia is ****. Bits of plastic people with no sense pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for, George Lucas should be ashamed of himselves for exploiting guilable people! :thumbs:

:conf::conf:

Again another irrelevant and misplaced example.

The bits of plastic you talk about sell for 5 pounds, a good rare one, maybe 50 quid. But generally around 10 pounds. And they don't go to George Lucas. It goes to the owner of the toy.

George sold the toys for about a couple of quid each so people could play with them and now they're about 5 pounds so you're wrong there as well.

The expensive star wars stuff is based upon movies that made billions around the world and are props from the show but nothing has gone for hundreds of thousands of pounds.

So again - you really are having difficulty finding an analogy or an example that is irrelevant or matches this as exploitation...



I am talking about film memoriablia not the crappy toys! The props etc, and Lucas Films own or have owned the rights to the lot!

Again I ask, what give you the right to say what people should spend their own money on? What makes it right to spend money on one form of memoriblia or another? THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE!

I have already answered this.

They are cultural and historical artefacts for one of the most popular films on this planet. They are sold at Christies - the best auction houses in the world and bought by investors who are billionaires and millionaires because they are an investment for ****'s sake!!!

They have not gone for hundreds and thousands. Some for a thousand - maybe up to 50 thousand.

You are comparing something that made billions of pounds around the world and continues to do this to Marcus?

Seriously... Now I'm beginning to think you're taking the piss.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Okay then I'll do it one by one.

How Is Marcus forcing people to buy his items?

I've already answered this.

Search for it.

If you keep giving me questions that I've answered and you avoid the ones I have mentioned...

then you're just running scared.

No you have said what you think.

Not has happened - have Ebay done anything - why didn't you even contact them instead of starting a thread.

How is Marcus FORCING them to buy it. I haven't bid on it I wasn't forced - how were the others?

[MassiveTruck]

oh and too answer one of yours, Im online doing something else, but whilst that takes time to work I have time to kill. But I need to be at a PC so....

I just think you are anti-marus so why can't I debate it. Why have you only responded in the Marcus-exploitation thread and not the Sophie one seeing as how you care so much about this.

Your debating skills are rubbish. You just repeat yourself and avoid my answers.

You're here as part of a mob mentality because this forum is your home and you want to show users here that you are special and you need a surrogate family.

Come on - answer them.

[MassiveTruck]

Okay then I'll do it one by one.

How Is Marcus forcing people to buy his items?

I've already answered this.

Search for it.

If you keep giving me questions that I've answered and you avoid the ones I have mentioned...

then you're just running scared.

No you have said what you think.

Not has happened - have Ebay done anything - why didn't you even contact them instead of starting a thread.

How is Marcus FORCING them to buy it. I haven't bid on it I wasn't forced - how were the others?

I love how you avoid the answers I gave.

It's quite fascinating.

You tell me how the others were forced to pay 1380 pounds for it?

Come on - tell me.

I've already told you. Come on... It's not that hard. You can read.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

You don't actually answer with reason, you just make statements that you believe in and riducule others if they dont.

They weren't forced, phone the police, let me know the crime report number....I would love to know the outcome of this.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

hahaha lol at you for suddenly replying in the Sophie thread.

Anyway, Im off too lunch, be back later Marcus-lover xx

[MassiveTruck]

You don't actually answer with reason, you just make statements that you believe in and riducule others if they dont.

They weren't forced, phone the police, let me know the crime report number....I would love to know the outcome of this.

I have already said why in this thread

Not once. Not twice. Not three times.

About 10 maybe 20 times.

You see... Let me ask you a new question.

Since I started this thread, I have given my opinion to why... I mean I would and I've reasoned it as well...

Why in the **** are you telling me I haven't.

Seriously... read the thread. It's all there.

Oh and I've reported it to Ebay. Thanks for telling me about that. Got some more people to report it too.

[MassiveTruck]

hahaha lol at you for suddenly replying in the Sophie thread.

Anyway, Im off too lunch, be back later Marcus-lover xx

I'm not allowed to post in other threads? :conf:

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

hahaha lol at you for suddenly replying in the Sophie thread.

Anyway, Im off too lunch, be back later Marcus-lover xx

I'm not allowed to post in other threads? :conf:



You only did it after I asked why you hadn't.....lol

anyway yeah lunch....

[MassiveTruck]

You don't actually answer with reason, you just make statements that you believe in and riducule others if they dont.

They weren't forced, phone the police, let me know the crime report number....I would love to know the outcome of this.

Oh I get it now. I know why you're here...

I've just seen your posts on this forum. LOL...

Wow! I never knew the outcomes of a programme could hurt for so long :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[MassiveTruck]

hahaha lol at you for suddenly replying in the Sophie thread.

Anyway, Im off too lunch, be back later Marcus-lover xx

I'm not allowed to post in other threads? :conf:



You only did it after I asked why you hadn't.....lol

anyway yeah lunch....

No I did it out of choice.

I'm going to do a thread about Siavash being a lying, cheating, two faced, unemployed, disloyal, short miserable excuse for a living organism too.

Would you like to post in that?

[MassiveTruck]

anyway yeah lunch....

I guess I got to you.

Hard to accept that your attempts at mob mentality failed :wink:

[bansheewails]

Any way, this exploitation crack. you should be more worried about real exploitation, not about perceived exploitation, were it is really fool and their money being easily parted.

Exploitation of multinationals in sub-sahara africa, selling grain thaat cannot seed itself. Clothing companies pulling out of europe to open in third world counttries, with next to nothing wages and where they can pollute the water with chemicals without facing prosecution.

Those are the real exploitation issues, not whether some idiot is paying over the odds on another idiots rubbish!

[MassiveTruck]

Any way, this exploitation crack. you should be more worried about real exploitation, not about perceived exploitation, were it is really fool and their money being easily parted.

Exploitation of multinationals in sub-sahara africa, selling grain thaat cannot seed itself. Clothing companies pulling out of europe to open in third world counttries, with next to nothing wages and where they can pollute the water with chemicals without facing prosecution.

Those are the real exploitation issues, not whether some idiot is paying over the odds on another idiots rubbish!

OK.

Very much so.

[nut]

24,000 people must be wrong and massive truck is right:thumbs::dance:

the best thing to do is ignore a fool and the fool will soon go away.

[vladicus]

where did i say marcus was like john lennon i said john lennons autograph was on ebay for 900 pound which is a bit of paper but like all marcus fans you twist things to sound like your right and every one else is wrong where infact your wrong

[paulie57]

Yes he is BUT more fool the people that are buying the tat.

[nut]

Yes he is BUT more fool the people that are buying the tat.as long as your not buying it why should you care?:wink: