Ban the Burka.

[InOne]

What do you think? I see it as a tool of opression and should be banned on public transport, and public transport. Bascially everywhere. They say it is a modest yet it draws more attention to them anyway??

http://mrap66.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/burka1.jpg

[ILoveTRW]

i thought you were talking about alexandra burke and just made a typo lol

[InOne]

i thought you were talking about alexandra burke and just made a typo lol

lol nope

[Chantel]

i thought you were talking about alexandra burke and just made a typo lol

:laugh2:
me 2

[arista]

What do you think? I see it as a tool of opression and should be banned on public transport, and public transport. Bascially everywhere. They say it is a modest yet it draws more attention to them anyway??

http://mrap66.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/burka1.jpg




They did in France.


But here under New Labour nothing changes.

[InOne]

Yeah, it being banned in France provoked debate here, but nothing came of it. Wouldn't want to offend the Muslims now would we!

[arista]

Yeah, it being banned in France provoked debate here, but nothing came of it. Wouldn't want to offend the Muslims now would we!


The Women that wear that, many are like Slaves
to their Muslim Husband.


Thats why in France - they pointed that out
and won the vote.

Italy is now trying to ban it.

[InOne]

The Women that wear that, many are like Slaves
to their Muslim Husband.


Thats why in France - they pointed that out
and won the vote.

Italy is now trying to ban it.

Hopefully the UK will take note. Our Society seems to be slowly regressing.

[Braden]

i think it looks alright you know

[InOne]

i think it looks alright you know

Why is that? How can it possibly look alright? :/

[arista]

i think it looks alright you know


Some even think it is Sexy.

[InOne]

Maybe some people have a ninja fetish.

[atieah2009]

I totally agree with arista.

Yes they are slaves of there men it is pathetic. and inone stop ****ing spreading your hate against a whole religion.

[30stone]

They did in France.


But here under New Labour nothing changes.


Yeah, france stuck to their rules.
But england no way would they lol.

[InOne]

I totally agree with arista.

Yes they are slaves of there men it is pathetic. and inone stop ****ing spreading your hate against a whole religion.

This is about Burka's, not the whole religion. Idiot.

[Shaun]

if you want to wear it, go for it :\

[InOne]

if you want to wear it, go for it :\

It's awful seeing it in the street. It's like rubbing it in your face.

[atieah2009]

It's awful seeing it in the street. It's like rubbing it in your face.

Well seeing your posts you keep saying how islam and this and muslims that.

[InOne]

Well seeing your posts you keep saying how islam and this and muslims that.

I jus tell it how it is. Can't handle the truth?

[atieah2009]

I jus tell it how it is. Can't handle the truth?

No your a racist thats it. Your avatar gives you away

[InOne]

No your a racist thats it. Your avatar gives you away

I have not said anything racist. And having Morrissey wearing an England shirt as an avatar is racist? You are a complete idiot. Why is it racist to have someone wearing a T-Shirt that says England on it? Narrow minded twat.

[ILoveTRW]

tbh i think when you are an immigrant coming to a country you should make an effort and try to fit into that country's culture

and i think that is why african are much more accepted in the uk than asians

[atieah2009]

I feel no longer to carry this i apolagize for saying your a racist, but i honestly didnt think you were like that inone. and ilovemoney english people dont adapt to muslim countries such as dubai insatantly so so wont muslims but they eventually will.

[InOne]

Indians are very accepted and lovely people also. They don't create ghettos. They emrace our culture. Muslims go aganist it.

[ILoveTRW]

I feel no longer to carry this i apolagize for saying your a racist, but i honestly didnt think you were like that inone. and ilovemoney english people dont adapt to muslim countries such as dubai insatantly so so wont muslims but they eventually will.

errr yes they do, i went out to Marrakesh last year and all english women were wearing burkas out of respect

[InOne]

I think it could be quite scary for a young child to see a Woman in a full blown Burka. Not exactly attractive are they? I mean they are ridiculous and not even in the quran.

[atieah2009]

errr yes they do, i went out to Marrakesh last year and all english women were wearing burkas out of respect

Yes but then theres that rare case were english people had sex on the beach.

but i totally agree with inone its not in the quran and people should not wear the burka!

[InOne]

Covering the hair and that is fine, but for some reason it's been taken to the extreme.

[Novo]

I read something a short while back where they were thinking off making burka's that cover one eye so muslim women can only see out of one WTF!!!!!

They think that if muslim women show both eyes it could make men want to rape them and they say it would not be the man's fault

[Arneldo]

If you are going to stop Muslim women wearing the burka, then stop catholics wearing a crucifix. Stop Jewish people wearing kippah.

I think it shows a great sign of respect, not only for themselves, but for their husbands/family, and for their religion.

Yous say it draws attention to them - well, should we ban women from wearing revealing clothes? That draws attention to them. What about banning people from wearing them bright colours tracksuit?

[Shaun]

It's awful seeing it in the street. It's like rubbing it in your face.

not for me it isn't.
perhaps you need to assess some anger problems.

[Novo]

Am not really fused about the Burka's

I just think some muslims go other the top though with the whole covering up off muslim women

[Chantel]

It's awful seeing it in the street. It's like rubbing it in your face.

A gang of teenagers in hoodies is more intimidating than a woman wearing a Burka

[Novo]

A gang of teenagers in hoodies is more intimidating than a woman wearing a Burka

At least a gang of teenagers in hoodies would be more Social though

:rolleyes:

[Arneldo]

The women chose to wear the burka , it's part of their religion. It rarely a case that their husbands make them wear the burka. It's a different culture, and it should be respected.

[King Gizzard]

I dont like the burkas at all, but oh well.

[Captain.Remy]

If you are going to stop Muslim women wearing the burka, then stop catholics wearing a crucifix. Stop Jewish people wearing kippah.

I think it shows a great sign of respect, not only for themselves, but for their husbands/family, and for their religion.

Yous say it draws attention to them - well, should we ban women from wearing revealing clothes? That draws attention to them. What about banning people from wearing them bright colours tracksuit?

And this is what France did. No religion sign in public places, ALL religions. I think it's fair to everyone in a country which gave birth to laicity (Separation of church and state)
However, the Burka wasn't banned as it wasn't as big as today. It created a lot of drama, a lot of controversy, incidents and riots but the French government made it. And this is why Ben Laden wants to attack us. Sorry buddy, we had the balls to do it and to stand out against you.

[Shaun]

At least a gang of teenagers in hoodies would be more Social though

:rolleyes:

...that makes no sense?

[Arneldo]

And this is what France did. No religion sign in public places, ALL religions. I think it's fair to everyone in a country which gave birth to laicity (Separation of church and state)
However, the Burka wasn't banned as it wasn't as big as today. It created a lot of drama, a lot of controversy, incidents and riots but the French government made it. And this is why Ben Laden wants to attack us. Sorry buddy, we had the balls to do it and to stand out against you.

And I don't agree with it all. People should be allowed follow their religion, both in public and in privacy. People should be allowed celebrate their religion, and support their religion. Banning religion symbols in public is like telling people that what they are doing is wrong, and should be kept to the home. It's like making religion a secret.

It's not about having the "balls to do it". It's about being unjust enough to do it.

[Mrluvaluva]

it is not harming anyone so why the need to ban it?

[arista]

Am not really fused about the Burka's

I just think some muslims go over the top though with the whole covering up off muslim women





Yes Andy
They are Slaves to their Muslim Husband.

[arista]

it is not harming anyone so why the need to ban it?



That we do not Know
Most are a Utter Slaves.


This is England Not Saudi.

[Novo]

...that makes no sense?

It makes plenty of sense

[Shaun]

It makes plenty of sense

well do explain how, then, a group of hoodies "look more social" than people wearing burkas?

[atieah2009]

The problem is if you ban the burka then the goverment will do as France did and ban the hijab.

[Arneldo]

That we do not Know
Most are a Utter Slaves.


This is England Not Saudi.

Slaves to who? Mohamed? Then catholics are "slaves" for drinking and eating and body and blood of Christ? Ridiculous.

[Novo]

well do explain how, then, a group of hoodies "look more social" than people wearing burkas?

Have you ever had a conversation with someone wearing a burka?
do they even talk?

[Chantel]

Have you ever had a conversation with someone wearing a burka?
do they even talk?
They sure do

[atieah2009]

Have you ever had a conversation with someone wearing a burka?
do they even talk?

Yes they do and i have. lol.

[Shaun]

yes, some of them even have jobs! :o

[arista]

Slaves to who? Mohamed? Then catholics are "slaves" for drinking and eating and body and blood of Christ? Ridiculous.



Slaves to their Muslim Husband.

[Novo]

Slaves to their Muslim Hiusband.

More Fool them i say

[Mrluvaluva]

This is England Not Saudi. you should become a politician arista.

[Arneldo]

Slaves to their Muslim Hiusband.

Muslim woman chose to wear the burka. It's their religion.

[atieah2009]

Slaves to their Muslim Hiusband.

That is not totally true, i disagree with the burka but im certain the majority always go out by there own take there children to school and go to there cousins/friends house who is female.

[Captain.Remy]

And I don't agree with it all. People should be allowed follow their religion, both in public and in privacy. People should be allowed celebrate their religion, and support their religion. Banning religion symbols in public is like telling people that what they are doing is wrong, and should be kept to the home. It's like making religion a secret.

It's not about having the "balls to do it". It's about being unjust enough to do it.

I can see where you're coming from as UK is way different on that matter but Burka and other religion signs aren't in French values: the church is split from the state so public places shouldn't have any religion signs.

And I think it's a question of having the balls to do it, the situation in France with Muslim people isn't easy at all and voting this law caused a lot of trouble and showed to Ben Ladin we won't break under the pressure.

[arista]

Well Done France.

[arista]

In England We Do Not Celebrate Our Religion
Arneldo.


This Is England Not Saudi.

[Arneldo]

In England? Sorry arista, I didn't know you spoke on behalf of all 50 million of you :rolleyes:

And Rémy, it should be what the state wants - it should be down to the individual, and a personal choice IMO. I'm not going to comment anymore on the "having balls" bit cause it lorra shite IMO.

[InOne]

The women chose to wear the burka , it's part of their religion. It rarely a case that their husbands make them wear the burka. It's a different culture, and it should be respected.

Why should it be respected? They should respect our culture also...

[InOne]

The Burka looks ridiculous, it is not in the quran and was a form of opression when the Taliban had control of Iraq. It is not about freedom, covering a woman from head to toe, what does it really achieve? It also has become an excuse for Muslims to complain about even more things. As in the thing with the Woman at the school. There is not really a good argument for Women to make it really, most of it is just excuses. Also, why make comparisons to Hoodies? That is avoiding the topic, this is not about Hoodies.

[Chantel]

The Burka looks ridiculous, it is not in the quran and was a form of opression when the Taliban had control of Iraq. It is not about freedom, covering a woman from head to toe, what does it really achieve? It also has become an excuse for Muslims to complain about even more things. As in the thing with the Woman at the school. There is not really a good argument for Women to make it really, most of it is just excuses. Also, why make comparisons to Hoodies? That is avoiding the topic, this is not about Hoodies.
You said the Burka was intimidating, and i said a teenager in a hoody is more intimidating thats why it was brought into it

[InOne]

You said the Burka was intimidating, and i said a teenager in a hoody is more intimidating thats why it was brought into it

But I didn't say it would be more intimidating than a Hoodie did I? I just said it could be intimidating to a kid.

[Chantel]

But I didn't say it would be more intimidating than a Hoodie did I? I just said it could be intimidating to a kid.
No, you said the Burka is intimidating, i was the one who said someone in a hoody is more intimidating

[Captain.Remy]

In England? Sorry arista, I didn't know you spoke on behalf of all 50 million of you :rolleyes:

And Rémy, it should be what the state wants - it should be down to the individual, and a personal choice IMO. I'm not going to comment anymore on the "having balls" bit cause it lorra shite IMO.

But it's in the values of our country. You can do whatever you want at home, but not in public as it's religion free. At least it's fair to every religion, not only Islam.
People who come in a country should respect its values, religion signs aren't one of them, in France at least.

[InOne]

No, you said the Burka is intimidating, i was the one who said someone in a hoody is more intimidating

Yes, so why bring it up? It's not about Hoodies...

[InOne]

But it's in the values of our country. You can do whatever you want at home, but not in public as it's religion free. At least it's fair to every religion, not only Islam.
People who come in a country should respect its values, religion signs aren't one of them, in France at least.

They don't in England. France has got it spot on :thumbs:

[Chantel]

Yes, so why bring it up? It's not about Hoodies...
Because i find them more intimidating

[InOne]

Because i find them more intimidating

To a kid, I think a woman in a Burka would be more intimidating.

[Captain.Remy]

They don't in England. France has got it spot on :thumbs:

I love England, really I do, this is where I want to live and have my children but I think there is a big question mark on this matter. I'm not saying something should be done, but when I worked a whole month in 2006 and then I saw this lady wearing a hijab shocked me. Yes, it did because I was not used to it. But then I dealt with it but you can't expect people to accept it and be fine with it.

[Chantel]

To a kid, I think a woman in a Burka would be more intimidating.
My 4 year old niece doesnt find them intimidating, she's scared of hoodies though

[InOne]

My 4 year old niece doesnt find them intimidating, she's scared of hoodies though

Has she grown up around muslims?

[Chantel]

Has she grown up around muslims?
Yes she lives in Manchester, half of Manchester is Asian people

[InOne]

I love England, really I do, this is where I want to live and have my children but I think there is a big question mark on this matter. I'm not saying something should be done, but when I worked a whole month in 2006 and then I saw this lady wearing a hijab shocked me. Yes, it did because I was not used to it. But then I dealt with it but you can't expect people to accept it and be fine with it.

Well that is our problem, we might complain in our heads but we really do nothing. Then 7/7 happens. I don't think any Religion should be expected, especially not Islam.

[InOne]

Yes she lives in Manchester, half of Manchester is Asian people

Do you not see it as dehumanizing women?

[Chantel]

Do you not see it as dehumanizing women?
No, they choose to wear it

[InOne]

No, they choose to wear it

I bet they all don't. Can you not see my side of it at all or you just think it is acceptable?

[InOne]

Women choosing to wear it in this country is an insult to the women who have no choice in some places. They should be ashamed, just what point are they trying to prove?

[arista]

No, they choose to wear it



That is not true
Some do not.

[InOne]

Even just the look of it screams opression.

[Chantel]

That is not true
Some do not.
But most of them do

[InOne]

But most of them do

How do you know?

[InOne]

I've asked

How many?

[Chantel]

How many?

Quite a few, did it when i was in college for a project

[InOne]

Quite a few, did it when i was in college for a project

Did they say why they chose to wear it?

[Novo]

Watch out for these sneaky Muslims

they do not tell the truth

[Chantel]

Watch out for these sneaky Muslims

they do not tell the truth

I have no reason not to believe them

[InOne]

Watch out for these sneaky Muslims

they do not tell the truth

Well they do like to twist things...

[InOne]

At the end of the day, what are they trying to prove? It is really not needed.

[Chantel]

At the end of the day, what are they trying to prove? It is really not needed.

lol
they're not trying to prove anything

[InOne]

lol
they're not trying to prove anything

You didn't answer my quiestion before, did you ask them why?

[InOne]

Sorry i didnt see it

Yes i did ask them, they said it makes them who they are, i wanted to ask more but she started crying so i had to stop

Hmmmm it does not really make them who they are though. Infact it practically takes away who they are. I doubt many would admit to being forced to wear it as well...

[GypsyGoth]

If it was the law that I had to wear a Burka I would, but I'm glad I don't live in a country where I have to.

[Novo]

I saw a muslim smuggle a pack off wine gums in her burka once

[InOne]

Well im only telling you what majority of them told me, maybe not but i dont see how they would make them

There is ways, i'm sure you've heard the stories of girls getting sent to Pakistan...

[Chantel]

There is ways, i'm sure you've heard the stories of girls getting sent to Pakistan...

Yes, for arranged marriages

[InOne]

If it was the law that I had to wear a Burka I would, but I'm glad I don't live in a country where I have to.

It is an awful law really. Even for the Middle East's standards.

[InOne]

Yes, for arranged marriages

They also get sent there for honour killings. And not really arranged, more like forced. Women have it pretty tough in Islam, that is why I think the one's who actually have a choice should not wear the Burka as it is a sign of opression.

[Chantel]

They also get sent there for honour killings. And not really arranged, more like forced. Women have it pretty tough in Islam, that is why I think the one's who actually have a choice should not wear the Burka as it is a sign of opression.
Well if they didnt want to wear it, they wouldnt

[InOne]

Well if they didnt want to wear it, they wouldnt

Still, they don't need to. I think it's a way of getting at our society, which they already despise.

[Chantel]

Still, they don't need to. I think it's a way of getting at our society, which they already despise.
Ah well, at the end of the day its their life

[InOne]

Ah well, at the end of the day its their life

Yep, but it affects others lives when they have to see it in the street. Have to make special allowences for the women who wear them. It at least should be banned in public buildings.

[Novo]

Yep, but it affects others lives when they have to see it in the street. Have to make special allowences for the women who wear them. It at least should be banned in public buildings.

I Agree 100%

they shoudn't have it all there own way

and let's face it thats what they want

[InOne]

It's not affecting my life, i can understand the banning in public buildings, but if thats banned then hats should be too

Erm no, that is ridiculous. Hats don't cover the whole body apart from the eyes...

[Chantel]

Erm no, that is ridiculous. Hat's don't cover the whole body apart from the eyes...

But it would be fair

[King Gizzard]

it wouldnt be fair, hats and burkas are completely different things

[Chantel]

it wouldnt be fair, hats and burkas are completely different things
It would be fair to them

[InOne]

But it would be fair

No it would not. It's totally different. How can you even make that comparison :S

[InOne]

It would be fair to them

We don't need to be fair to them. It's not like we owe them anything...

[King Gizzard]

Fair to them..maybe but probably not...fair to us..completely not

[Chantel]

No it would not. It's totally different. How can you even make that comparison :S
Because i hate people wearing hats indoors :joker:
ok then, if you want Burka's banned indoors you should ban everything to do with religion

[InOne]

Because i hate people wearing hats indoors :joker:
ok then, if you want Burka's banned indoors you should ban everything to do with religion

Like?

[Shaun]

Yep, but it affects others lives when they have to see it in the street. Have to make special allowences for the women who wear them. It at least should be banned in public buildings.

didn't you just berate the authoritarianism of islam in some countries insisting that they have to wear burkas?

making the opposite illegal is equally totalitarian.

[Chantel]

Like?

Crucifixes & things

[InOne]

didn't you just berate the authoritarianism of islam in some countries insisting that they have to wear burkas?

making the opposite illegal is equally totalitarian.

Yeah, because there is no real need to dress like that, we have to draw the line somewhere...

[King Gizzard]

Other people don't wear things that cover up there whole face making it awkward to talk to them..Christian crucifixes don't make it hard to talk to someone


ahhhhhh laters

[InOne]

Crucifixes & things

Why? It is a Christian country...

[Shaun]

Yeah, because there is no real need to dress like that, we have to draw the line somewhere...

and what if I WANTED to wear one?

[Chantel]

Why? It is a Christian country...

But its a religious thing, if you want a ban on the Burka you should ban everything else

[InOne]

and what if I WANTED to wear one?

Then you would be insulting all the women who are forced to wear them.

[Shaun]

Other people don't wear things that cover up there whole face making it awkward to talk to them..Christian crucifixes don't make it hard to talk to someone


ahhhhhh laters

oh please, if you're intimidated by a ****ing mask I doubt they're upset by your reluctance to talk to them.

[InOne]

But its a religious thing, if you want a ban on the Burka you should ban everything else

The Burka is not even in the Quran, it's nothing to do with the religion.

[Chantel]

The Burka is not even in the Quran, it's nothing to do with the religion.

I think some people on here are pretty much against muslims

[King Gizzard]

It's not intimidating, I said its awkward

[Shaun]

Then you would be insulting all the women who are forced to wear them.

when said women see it as part of their religion? not really insulting.

[King Gizzard]

Just not liking one piece of clothing doesn't make someone against a whole religion

[Chantel]

Just not liking one piece of clothing doesn't make someone against a whole religion
It comes across that way

[King Gizzard]

I don't see how it does tbh

[InOne]

I think some people on here are pretty much against muslims

Oh yeah, that's right, everyone hates the Muslims, everyone is against the Muslims. Oh please. It is basically another way of segregating themsevles.

[InOne]

when said women see it as part of their religion? not really insulting.

But it's not part of the religion. And how do you know they see it that way? You been to Iraq?

[Chantel]

Oh yeah, that's right, everyone hates the Muslims, everyone is against the Muslims. Oh please. It is basically another way of segregating themsevles.

You want a ban on something the women wear

[InOne]

You want a ban on something the women wear

Yeah, it does not stop them being Muslim does it? They need to accept our society to some degree, they do live here after all!

[Novo]

The funny thing is the Burka has got nothing to do with there religion
there is nothing about in the Quran about women dressing up in burka's

[Chantel]

Yeah, it does not stop them being Muslim does it? They need to accept our society to some degree, they do live here after all!

They like wearing their Burka, it's like stripping them of their identity

[King Gizzard]

Not all of them do

[Chantel]

The funny thing is the Burka has got nothing to do with there religion
there is nothing about in the Quran about women dressing up in burka's
To some it is

[InOne]

They like wearing their Burka, it's like stripping them of their identity

They don't really have an identity with it though. They don't all like wearing it and I think some do it out of spite anyway. It's not like they all wear Burkas is it? It's like they are regressing.

[Novo]

To some it is

But it aint even in the Quran? Surely now there just making up there own religion through time

[Chantel]

They don't really have an identity with it though. They don't all like wearing it and I think some do it out of spite anyway. It's not like they all wear Burkas is it? It's like they are regressing.
Thats what they would think, why would they do it out of spite?

[Chantel]

But it aint even in the Quran? Surely now there just making up there own religion through time

Dont ask me, im not muslim

[InOne]

Thats what they would think, why would they do it out of spite?

Well because they dislike the west and all that. It is probably a minority that do that, it would be interesting to find out why they actually do wear it. When it is boiling outside, i'm sure they don't like it then.

[Novo]

Dont ask me, im not muslim

I'll just make my own religion and we can all wear Top hats

[Chantel]

Well because they dislike the west and all that. It is probably a minority that do that, it would be interesting to find out why they actually do wear it. When it is boiling outside, i'm sure they don't like it then.
They wouldnt be living here if they didnt like it

[Chantel]

I'll just make my own religion and we can all wear Top hats
If it means something to them, shouldnt they be allowed to wear it?

[Novo]

They wouldnt be living here if they didnt like it

They live here to get away from the problems in there own countrys
Course they can still hate us and live here rather then living over there in fear off death everyday

[InOne]

They wouldnt be living here if they didnt like it

Well seen as most who wear them are born here they don't have much of a choice. It's a shame Islam is regressing in such a way. It will probably impolde on itself one day.

[Chantel]

Well seen as most who wear them are born here they don't have much of a choice. It's a shame Islam is regressing in such a way. It will probably impolde on itself one day.
Like i said before, let them wear it, its not doing anyone any harm

[InOne]

Like i said before, let them wear it, its not doing anyone any harm

Well some kids who mothers wear it are born with rickets because of a calcium D deficiency, so is that not doing harm? It is ridiculously pointless, awful to look at and segregates society. There is communication problems and work problems. It is opressive, women who wear it in the UK should probably go see a doctor.

[Novo]

Well some kids who mothers wear it are born with rickets because of a calcium D deficiency, so is that not doing harm? It is ridiculously pointless, awful to look at and segregates society. There is communication problems and work problems. It is opressive, women who wear it in the UK should probably go see a doctor.

I've heard about the rickets thing as well from some video on youtube by Patcondell

what a legend he is

[Chantel]

Well some kids who mothers wear it are born with rickets because of a calcium D deficiency, so is that not doing harm? It is ridiculously pointless, awful to look at and segregates society. There is communication problems and work problems. It is opressive, women who wear it in the UK should probably go see a doctor.
Well i didnt know about the rickets

[InOne]

Well i didnt know about the rickets

When it affects kids, it's really not good is it?

[Chantel]

When it affects kids, it's really not good is it?

You could have just told me this before lol i wouldnt have had to keep defending it

[InOne]

You could have just told me this before lol i wouldnt have had to keep defending it

Well it was good to have a debate as well lol At least you saw sense in the end.

[Chantel]

Well it was good to have a debate as well lol At least you saw sense in the end.
I never knew about the rickets, thats awful
lol yeah well it's something to do isnt it :joker:

[InOne]

I never knew about the rickets, thats awful
lol yeah well it's something to do isnt it :joker:

Yeah haha passes the time!

[atieah2009]

Well that is our problem, we might complain in our heads but we really do nothing. Then 7/7 happens. I don't think any Religion should be expected, especially not Islam.

Here we go dont ****ing spout off topic.

[InOne]

Here we go dont ****ing spout off topic.

The debate has ended. We came to a conclusion, move along...

[atieah2009]

What about Jewish people and Sikh's should we take there right of wearing a hat or whatever you call it (which i totally respect) but captain remy i am shocked you have never seen a woman with a hijab in your life honestly. My sister wears it when she gets married she isnt under my dad's control he never forced her. And she even took it off but instead of beating her and killing her like other muslims do i just never speak to here because it is disrespectful for me. she can make her choices in life, its up to her i could give less of a ****.

[atieah2009]

What was the "conclusion"?

[InOne]

What about Jewish people and Sikh's should we take there right of wearing a hat or whatever you call it (which i totally respect) but captain remy i am shocked you have never seen a woman with a hijab in your life honestly. My sister wears it when she gets married she isnt under my dad's control he never forced her. And she even took it off but instead of beating her and killing her like other muslims do i just never speak to here because it is disrespectful for me. she can make her choices in life, its up to her i could give less of a ****.

Jewish or Sikh's attire is not as extreme as the Burka, come on, you know this...

[InOne]

What was the "conclusion"?

That is it bad to wear it if it affects kids.

[atieah2009]

Afcourse i know it and i totally agree with you but some people say we do not adapt. Most people dont wear the burka anymore for respect. In our countries we like to wear a black or dark scarf prefreably with black clothing in this country we choose more bright and diffrent colours and even allow make up such as this picture http://www.halalthailand.com/fashion/images/thai-fasion/061004-09woman-muslim.jpg

a few pages back i remember you saying we dont adapt.

[InOne]

Yeah well there is usually big Muslim areas. Some do and that, but you'll find most stick to their area.

[atieah2009]

Not really all my cousins were bright dresses, just in a prophets death they know its disrespectful to wear that and that's it really.

[InOne]

Not really all my cousins were bright dresses, just in a prophets death they know its disrespectful to wear that and that's it really.

Seems like there is sort of a battle going on with the Muslims teen girls these days. Like they want to fit into our culture but want to preserve their own. I guess thats why sometimes they can go from one exteme to the other. Like one wearing the Burka, and one going out partying ect.

[atieah2009]

Seems like there is sort of a battle going on with the Muslims teen girls these days. Like they want to fit into our culture but want to preserve their own. I guess thats why sometimes they can go from one exteme to the other. Like one wearing the Burka, and one going out partying ect.

Spot on.

[InOne]

Spot on.

Well I live in the North, I know about these kind of things! lol

[atieah2009]

Those so called "heroes" suicide bombers are all alcoholics and **** prostitutes and always do opposite of what there religion say, then they wake up one day and go to the mosque and say omg im going to hell. "hey guess what let me go be extreme make my wife wear a burka and beat her and my son and ****ing do a bomb yes! now il be guaranteed heaven woohooooooo"

[InOne]

Those so called "heroes" suicide bombers are all alcoholics and **** prostitutes and always do opposite of what there religion say, then they wake up one day and go to the mosque and say omg im going to hell. "hey guess what let me go be extreme make my wife wear a burka and beat her and my son and ****ing do a bomb yes! now il be guaranteed heaven woohooooooo"

Yeah, the ones who are indoctrinated from birth can't really be helped, but people like that should know better.

[atieah2009]

I have always been moderate i am Shia not to criticise Sunni muslims but if you don't know this all terror groups are neither of these there are some that are sunni but none that are Shitte. long story short Shia such as "Iran" have never done a suicide bomb or anything against the Uk or America. they actually are very kind to americans there even when a few british journalists forgot to put a hijab on they didnt chop there head off as you would expect. Iran only do make a mistake and thats not to give freedom but you cannot blaim them there supreme leader (whom ive met) is very religious and the person before never really set the rules properly (who was a great man)

So none of them should be forced, force is the worst way it seems but isnt banning the burka going to soon result in banning the hijab and then old wanker who does drinks and drugs and decides to be religious going to think oh my god look what britain done arghhhhh im going to go do a bomb because i have no life.

[atieah2009]

Oh and the thing about arranged marriage its out of the door and in my religion if your male and hit puber you may have sexual intercourse if you are male and if you are female you can request your father to arrange a marriage or preferable to a person you like such as my sister who liked my cousin.

[InOne]

Well with Sunni's over here, most are of Pakistani decent. I think Pakistanis well have more of a dislike towards the UK because of the whole thing with India and that.

[InOne]

Oh and the thing about arranged marriage its out of the door and in my religion if your male and hit puber you may have sexual intercourse if you are male and if you are female you can request your father to arrange a marriage or preferable to a person you like such as my sister who liked my cousin.

Not always quite as simple as that. But I know what you mean.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What do you think? I see it as a tool of opression and should be banned on public transport, and public transport. Bascially everywhere. They say it is a modest yet it draws more attention to them anyway??

http://mrap66.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/burka1.jpg

if you did then that Joanna Lumley would kick up a stink and you would regret it.:nono:

[WOMBAI]

if you did then that Joanna Lumley would kick up a stink and you would regret it.:nono:


I guess, when you think about it, they could hide a machine gun or two under that lot! Anyone could be under there - impedes identification.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess, when you think about it, they could hide a machine gun or two under that lot! Anyone could be under there - impedes identification.

I think they could at least do a paisley one or a neon. That is the trouble with that religion, they just will not get with the noughties.

[InOne]

if you did then that Joanna Lumley would kick up a stink and you would regret it.:nono:

Nah, banned is for the best.

[eye sea]

Religion aside, it must be awfully hot to wear.

[InOne]

Religion aside, it must be awfully hot to wear.

Indeed in summer, wearing all black, must be awful.

[Lee.]

In my opinion, the burka isn't as much about religion as it is oppression of women and in this day and age it shouldn't be allowed whether in this country or their home countries.

[InOne]

In my opinion, the burka isn't as much about religion as it is oppression of women and in this day and age it shouldn't be allowed whether in this country or their home countries.

Especially in the UK, where they have a choice. It is a dishonour to all those women who are forced to wear them.

[WOMBAI]

In my opinion, the burka isn't as much about religion as it is oppression of women and in this day and age it shouldn't be allowed whether in this country or their home countries.

Couldn't agree more!:dance:

[30stone]

Just thought...

What happens if someone came into my shop with one of these on and bought somthing they had to be 18+ to buy..

And i saw their id but how would i know its them, are they allowed to remove it?

As i wouldnt sell them..

[InOne]

Just thought...

What happens if someone came into my shop with one of these on and bought somthing they had to be 18+ to buy..

And i saw their id but how would i know its them, are they allowed to remove it?

As i wouldnt sell them..

They would call you a racist, say how they were so 'hurt' 'offended' and 'traumatized' by the whole thing, then take the shop to court and try fine them. Oh and probably splash it all over the papers too.

[30stone]

Yeah but they would lose due to the fact im doing what is legally mandatory.

If you cant see them you cant sell to them

[InOne]

Yeah but they would lose due to the fact im doing what is legally mandatory.

If you cant see them you cant sell to them

That is just what would likely happen. Yeah, they would not win, but they would try make drama of anything.

[Crimson Dynamo]

they are a disgrace and we as a country should ban their use

[NettoSuperstar!]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/aug/25/muslim-society-us-afghanistan

Interesting article from a muslim woman

and this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/aug/28/muslim-women-western-feminism

[Vicky.]

They would call you a racist, say how they were so 'hurt' 'offended' and 'traumatized' by the whole thing, then take the shop to court and try fine them. Oh and probably splash it all over the papers too.

You know, I could actually see that happening.

'Discrimination' it would be...the shops dont ask people to remove their glasses or whatever so why ask them to remove something that covers their entire face :rolleyes:

[InOne]

You know, I could actually see that happening.

'Discrimination' it would be...the shops dont ask people to remove their glasses or whatever so why ask them to remove something that covers their entire face :rolleyes:

At one time it would be laughable but now it is just ridiculous really.

[InOne]

You should read this Netto, you'd enjoy it.

http://www.prometheusbooks.com/images/WhyImnotaMuslim.jpg

[arista]

Netto is a Woman
that book may be to big.

[lily.]

arista, there's funny and then there's just downright *****.

You, my friend, are being the latter.

[Wildcat!]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/aug/25/muslim-society-us-afghanistan

Interesting article from a muslim woman

and this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/aug/28/muslim-women-western-feminism


Very good article. Somewould benefit from reading that, instead of making these stupid assumptions, and dumb scenarios.

[InOne]

Netto is a Woman
that book may be to big.

Cheeky arista!!!! Netto will not be happy lol Maybe she has gone to buy it!! Who knows?

[Alf]

these burka's look a lot like the same thing the klu klux klan wear, just a different coloured robe.

do exept my deepest apologie if anyone is offended by the word coloured.

[InOne]

Very good article. Somewould benefit from reading that, instead of making these stupid assumptions, and dumb scenarios.

Yeah don't think so mate. Bye.

[BB_Eye]

It seems a pretty stupid thing to ban. No matter what culture you are from, it is a woman's choice whether to wear the hijab or not.

[InOne]

It seems a pretty stupid thing to ban. No matter what culture you are from, it is a woman's choice whether to wear the hijab or not.

hijab is not a burka though is it?

[WOMBAI]

If you are going to stop Muslim women wearing the burka, then stop catholics wearing a crucifix. Stop Jewish people wearing kippah.

I think it shows a great sign of respect, not only for themselves, but for their husbands/family, and for their religion.

Yous say it draws attention to them - well, should we ban women from wearing revealing clothes? That draws attention to them. What about banning people from wearing them bright colours tracksuit?

You can't compare wearing a burka with wearing a crucifix.

There are 3 reasons why women shouldn't wear them in Britain:

They represent the oppression of women - and Britain should not be seen to condone this.

They restrict identification - could be anyone under there - even men with weapons.

Particularly not in state institutions like schools - that are considered separate from any religious influence.

No one religion is above any of these. And if people choose to live in this country - they should abide by these rules - the same as anyone else. No exceptions.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Very good article. Somewould benefit from reading that, instead of making these stupid assumptions, and dumb scenarios.

they wont tho Wildcat, cos theyre not really interested in the emancipation of muslim women, its just another reason to disrespect a group of people

[WOMBAI]

But most of them do

Surely if just one woman in this country is wearing it against her will - it is unacceptable. As a country - we then become complicit in that oppression.

[NettoSuperstar!]

You should read this Netto, you'd enjoy it.

http://www.prometheusbooks.com/images/WhyImnotaMuslim.jpg

...and your point? lots of people wouldnt want to be a muslim...or a christian for that matter, doesnt mean you can condemn the ordinary people that follow that faith or portray them as largely fanatical and imply that they are a growing danger to our culture and way of life...its simply irrational and not true. There is a (proportionately) small number of extremists whos interpretation of the quran is completely ****ed up that pose a threat to the population including other muslims.

Back on topic, banning the Burkha is not the way forward. Sociological and Psychological research confirms that fact. And if you bothered to read the articles, most people agree that change has to come from within the muslim population itself (and it is and has been).

oh and Arista I dont think its hard to guess who's read the most books here mate X

[Chantel]

Surely if just one woman in this country is wearing it against her will - it is unacceptable. As a country - we then become complicit in that oppression.

Yeah if its against her will of course its unaceptable

[InOne]

...and your point? lots of people wouldnt want to be a muslim...or a christian for that matter, doesnt mean you can condemn the ordinary people that follow that faith or portray them as largely fanatical and imply that they are a growing danger to our culture and way of life...its simply irrational and not true. There is a (proportionately) small number of extremists whos interpretation of the quran is completely ****ed up that pose a threat to the population including other muslims.

Back on topic, banning the Burkha is not the way forward. Sociological and Psychological research confirms that fact. And if you bothered to read the articles, most people agree that change has to come from within the muslim population itself (and it is and has been).

oh and Arista I dont think its hard to guess who's read the most books here mate X

It is the way forward for our society, maybe not in the middle east.

[WOMBAI]

...and your point? lots of people wouldnt want to be a muslim...or a christian for that matter, doesnt mean you can condemn the ordinary people that follow that faith or portray them as largely fanatical and imply that they are a growing danger to our culture and way of life...its simply irrational and not true. There is a small number of extremists whos interpretation of the quran is completely ****ed up that pose a threat to the population including other muslims.

Back on topic, banning the Burkha is not the way forward. Sociological and Psychological research confirms that fact. And if you bothered to read the articles, most people agree that change has to come from within the muslim population itself (and it is and has been).

oh and Arista I dont think its hard to guess who's read the most books here mate X

Any kind of religous identification/influence should not be allowed in secular state schools in this country. No exceptions.

[NettoSuperstar!]

"No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude.”

[NettoSuperstar!]

Any kind of religous identification/influence should not be allowed in secular state schools in this country. No exceptions.

why shouldnt they?

[Vicky.]

I look at it this way.

If burkas are allowed, everywhere...then I dont see why people cant go into banks/shops/schools wearing balaclavas. Its relatively the same thing.

Fair enough people dont wear balaclavas because of some religious thing, but its the ID side of it that is the problem, nothing else. Anyone could be under that thing.

[InOne]

I look at it this way.

If burkas are allowed, everywhere...then I dont see why people cant go into banks/shops/schools wearing balaclavas. Its relatively the same thing.

Fair enough people dont wear balaclavas because of some religious thing, but its the ID side of it that is the problem, nothing else. Anyone could be under that thing.

There is another, the Burka is not even in the Quran. I think it originated in Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban.

[Vicky.]

There is another, the Burka is not even in the Quran. I think it originated in Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban.

Well I dont really know about anything like that but I think people should be allowed to wear what they like, within reason.

The burka just isnt practical at all. They should be banned in public places(ESPECIALLY banks, schools, airports etc), the same as balaclavas, and even hats sometimes, are. In my opinion anyway.

[InOne]

Well I dont really know about anything like that but I think people should be allowed to wear what they like, within reason.

The burka just isnt practical at all. They should be banned in public places(ESPECIALLY banks, schools, airports etc), the same as balaclavas, and even hats sometimes, are. In my opinion anyway.

Yeah indeed, just no good in those kind of places.

[WOMBAI]

why shouldnt they?

Why should the Muslim religion be given special rights over other religions?

What is so special about the Muslim religion?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Why should the Muslim religion be given special rights over other religions?

What is so special about the Muslim religion?

Thats not my question? you said people of all religions shouldnt be allowed to wear anything associated with their religion in a secular school. I asked why shouldnt they? Just because its a secular school doesnt mean they have to be intolerant of religious and cultural practice (of any religion)

[InOne]

Thats not my question? you said people of all religions shouldnt be allowed to wear anything associated with their religion in a secular school. I asked why shouldnt they? Just because its a secular school doesnt mean they have to be intolerant of religious and cultural practice (of any religion)

Do you believe religion deserves respect?

[WOMBAI]

Thats not my question? you said people of all religions shouldnt be allowed to wear anything associated with their religion in a secular school. I asked why shouldnt they? Just because its a secular school doesnt mean they have to be intolerant of religious and cultural practice (of any religion)

Because the whole intention is keeping education separate from religion. It is the best way of avoiding problems. The wearing of special clothing such as Burkhas causes problems of identification - a key issue when working with children. Religion is for outside the classroom. Something for people to practice in their private lives.

[InOne]

Religious Schools are not good. Although the sad fact is they have been here a long time and will probably never go away.

[arista]

Religious Schools are not good. Although the sad fact is they have been here a long time and will probably never go away.



Yes yet another
New Labour mess.

[InOne]

Yes yet another
New Labour mess.

I blame Thatcher.

[arista]

I blame Thatcher.


You can not
as Stinking New Labour has had 12 long years
and the have Fecked the Nation right up.

[InOne]

You can not
as Stinking New Labour has had 12 long years
and the have Fecked the Nation right up.

She set it up man, you know it. It could not be repaired, hence why Labour is so bad.

[Jords]

I know its about their religion and all, but I do find it very silly that they cant show their face till their married.

[InOne]

I know its about their religion and all, but I do find it very silly that they cant show their face till their married.

They can't ever show their face, except infront of their husband.

[Jords]

They can't ever show their face, except infront of their husband.

Really? I never knew that! Surely God, Allah, whoever they believe in wouldnt want it tbh? Its like their ashamed of their identity...

[InOne]

Really? I never knew that! Surely God, Allah, whoever they believe in wouldnt want it tbh? Its like their ashamed of their identity...

It is not in the Quran, it was enforced by the taliban, and then adopted over here as a kind of '**** you' to our culture.

[Jords]

It is not in the Quran, it was enforced by the taliban, and then adopted over here as a kind of '**** you' to our culture.

Woah, never knew this stuff, well then I agree that it should not be allowed, if they saw it that Allah or whoever said this is what they should do, you sort of just gotta respect it (I always thought this, not the taliban forcing it), but knowing this :nono:

[InOne]

Woah, never knew this stuff, well then I agree that it should not be allowed, if they saw it that Allah or whoever said this is what they should do, you sort of just gotta respect it (I always thought this, not the taliban forcing it), but knowing this :nono:

Indeed man, and Women over here wearing it is a dishonour to those women who do not have a choice.

[bananarama]

This is about Burka's, not the whole religion. Idiot.



Nothing wrong with hating something that is controlling....You cannot dictate who has to like what and shut them up because you disagree.....

All religions are a bloody menace to civilisation....

[InOne]

Nothing wrong with hating something that is controlling....You cannot dictate who has to like what and shut them up because you disagree.....

All religions are a bloody menace to civilisation....

And? We are on about the Burka and what it does to Society and how it affects women.

[bananarama]

Muslim woman chose to wear the burka. It's their religion.


Muslim women have been brainwashed from birth and as such have been denied a free choice...Robbed of their soul and personal ability to be free thinking....The ultimate evil of mankind.....

[InOne]

Muslim women have been brainwashed from birth and as such have been denied a free choice...Robbed of their soul and personal ability to be free thinking....The ultimate evil of mankind.....

Well that is why they should not wear it over here. Because, mostly, they will have a choice being brought up in our society.

[WOMBAI]

Nothing wrong with hating something that is controlling....You cannot dictate who has to like what and shut them up because you disagree.....

All religions are a bloody menace to civilisation....

Agreed! More people have died in the name of religion than for anything else. A complete contradiction of what religion is SUPPOSED to be about. In my opinion - most people abuse it and use it to control other people!

[atieah2009]

Muslim women have been brainwashed from birth and as such have been denied a free choice...Robbed of their soul and personal ability to be free thinking....The ultimate evil of mankind.....

LOL. As have you, as far as i can tell your just going with what the stereotype says that they were "brainwashed". Well your trying to strip our religion off us. From burka to hijab then no hijab then no Islam. To bad by doing this your going to have Extremist muslims (which is what britain wants) and very perverted muslims another thing The EU and America want. I honestly could give less of a ****, It's my choice, i control my self no one can be controlled beyond the age of 18. I want my religion, it gives me obedience and respect and yes i have done some bad things but religion always helps me and im sure helps many others and it's up to them that they follow it. If they are not moderate than there only fooling them selves. My dad is Extremely religious, yet knowing we are in a European country like many other muslims we don't force women or even sons we just ask them don't cross boundaries and if they do it is up to them to leave the house and live by themselves if they disagree with the rules (After there 18 afcourse) because the father then tryed as we say in islam and the Family are legally and Islamically not his Priority.

[Stu]

Muslim women have been brainwashed from birth and as such have been denied a free choice...Robbed of their soul and personal ability to be free thinking....The ultimate evil of mankind.....
Repped.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Agreed! More people have died in the name of religion than for anything else. A complete contradiction of what religion is SUPPOSED to be about. In my opinion - most people abuse it and use it to control other people!

more people have died because of man's need for power and approbation.

Religion among many other things has been used to justify acts of aggression through the ages.

[Stu]

more people have died because of man's need for power and approbation.
Which of course has nothing to do with religion.

[InOne]

LOL. As have you, as far as i can tell your just going with what the stereotype says that they were "brainwashed". Well your trying to strip our religion off us. From burka to hijab then no hijab then no Islam. To bad by doing this your going to have Extremist muslims (which is what britain wants) and very perverted muslims another thing The EU and America want. I honestly could give less of a ****, It's my choice, i control my self no one can be controlled beyond the age of 18. I want my religion, it gives me obedience and respect and yes i have done some bad things but religion always helps me and im sure helps many others and it's up to them that they follow it. If they are not moderate than there only fooling them selves. My dad is Extremely religious, yet knowing we are in a European country like many other muslims we don't force women or even sons we just ask them don't cross boundaries and if they do it is up to them to leave the house and live by themselves if they disagree with the rules (After there 18 afcourse) because the father then tryed as we say in islam and the Family are legally and Islamically not his Priority.

You should not need your Religion to give you good qualities, it should come from within.

[Stu]

You should not need your Religion to give you good qualities, it should come from within.
Exactly. Are these people saying they would be bad people if they did not have the threat of an invisible egotistical bastard in the sky to keep them in check?

[InOne]

Exactly. Are these people saying they would be bad people if they did not have the threat of an invisible egotistical bastard in the sky to keep them in check?

Seems so, most people who follow the monotheistic Religions say that, it's weird. Like when they help the poor and that, 'Doing it in the name of the lord'

[Stu]

You don't need an excuse to help people.

[WOMBAI]

LOL. As have you, as far as i can tell your just going with what the stereotype says that they were "brainwashed". Well your trying to strip our religion off us. From burka to hijab then no hijab then no Islam. To bad by doing this your going to have Extremist muslims (which is what britain wants) and very perverted muslims another thing The EU and America want. I honestly could give less of a ****, It's my choice, i control my self no one can be controlled beyond the age of 18. I want my religion, it gives me obedience and respect and yes i have done some bad things but religion always helps me and im sure helps many others and it's up to them that they follow it. If they are not moderate than there only fooling them selves. My dad is Extremely religious, yet knowing we are in a European country like many other muslims we don't force women or even sons we just ask them don't cross boundaries and if they do it is up to them to leave the house and live by themselves if they disagree with the rules (After there 18 afcourse) because the father then tryed as we say in islam and the Family are legally and Islamically not his Priority.

It isn't just the stereotypes - there have been Muslim women who have 'escaped' from oppression - who have 'come out' and explained their experiences - what happened to them. And we know for a fact - that in certain countries women have to wear certain clothing - they have no choice. Even foreign women visiting the country are expected to do so - out of respect. That has nothing to do with stereotypes - that is fact.

[InOne]

It just should not be allowed here. It is bad for the Women, kids and Society. It was a tool of opression in a country ruled by the Taliban. Why bring it over here i'll never know.

[WOMBAI]

LOL. As have you, as far as i can tell your just going with what the stereotype says that they were "brainwashed". Well your trying to strip our religion off us. From burka to hijab then no hijab then no Islam. To bad by doing this your going to have Extremist muslims (which is what britain wants) and very perverted muslims another thing The EU and America want. I honestly could give less of a ****, It's my choice, i control my self no one can be controlled beyond the age of 18. I want my religion, it gives me obedience and respect and yes i have done some bad things but religion always helps me and im sure helps many others and it's up to them that they follow it. If they are not moderate than there only fooling them selves. My dad is Extremely religious, yet knowing we are in a European country like many other muslims we don't force women or even sons we just ask them don't cross boundaries and if they do it is up to them to leave the house and live by themselves if they disagree with the rules (After there 18 afcourse) because the father then tryed as we say in islam and the Family are legally and Islamically not his Priority.

This is Britain (like it or not) with its own culture and religion. People who come to this country should not have an automatic right to practice their religion here when it flies in the face of the dominant religion/culture of that country ie the wearing of burkas. You choose to live in another country - you abide by their rules and culture. Simple. Not hard to understand.

Britain, and the western world, has been very accepting and tolerant of other cultures and religions - resulting in certain groups/religions taking things for granted and taking advantage. For you to imply that because the British culture has certain issues with the wearing of burkas - that justifies extremists hating and terrorising the country - is completely unreasonable. It is not us in the wrong - it is them.

If the wearing of burkas is so crucial to their views - then why choose to live in Britain. Seems to me that when push comes to shove - the economic advantages and comforts offered by living here outweigh their religious beliefs. In other words - they don't have the courage of their convictions - and simply want everything their way.

[atieah2009]

This is Britain (like it or not) with its own culture and religion. People who come to this country should not have an automatic right to practice their religion here when it flies in the face of the dominant religion/culture of that country ie the wearing of burkas. You choose to live in another country - you abide by their rules and culture. Simple. Not hard to understand.

Britain, and the western world, has been very accepting and tolerant of other cultures and religions - resulting in certain groups/religions taking things for granted and taking advantage. For you to imply that because the British culture has certain issues with the wearing of burkas - that justifies extremists hating and terrorising the country - you are no better than them. It is not us in the wrong - it is them.

If the wearing of burkas is so crucial to their views - then why choose to live in Britain. Seems to me that when push comes to shove - the economic advantages and comforts offered by living here outweigh their religious beliefs. In other words - they don't have the courage of their convictions - and simply want everything their way.

What?

[atieah2009]

It isn't just the stereotypes - there have been Muslim women who have 'escaped' from oppression - who have 'come out' and explained their experiences - what happened to them. And we know for a fact - that in certain countries women have to wear certain clothing - they have no choice. Even foreign women visiting the country are expected to do so - out of respect. That has nothing to do with stereotypes - that is fact.

Yes many have a choice and yes there is oppression in some countries. Good on them if they escape, Have you ot heard that extremist leaders in here give £10,000 to force some one to convert. this is the dirty extremists not muslims in genera.

[atieah2009]

You should not need your Religion to give you good qualities, it should come from within.

They do come within, but my religion also helps me:)

[Oldmansteptoe!]

Some of my friends have died fighting these terrorists, and I despise the fact that this country allows them the freedom they don't allow us
We have become a soft touch, democracy is something these people know how to exploit
There again at least these 'masks' allow me to know who to despise!!!
I doubt the Russians or Chinese let them take the mickey!!!

[Stu]

Some of my friends have died fighting these terrorists, and I despise the fact that this country allows them the freedom they don't allow us
We have become a soft touch, democracy is something these people know how to exploit
There again at least these 'masks' allow me to know who to despise!!!
I doubt the Russians or Chinese let them take the mickey!!!
Your friends, might I remind you, are fighting for this apparent 'freedom'. I don't agree with Burkas. On the whole, like the rest of Islam, I find it to be a ****ing joke, but trying to deny people the right to wear them is a bit hypocritical.

I'm also somewhat surprised at the views WOMBAI is expressing. Anybody should be allowed practice a religion of there choice as long as it does not conflict with the interests of others. As much as I despise religion, it's stupid to try and censor there freedom to practice because that's just being hypocritical.

Of course taking WOMBAI's incredible logic, we should also kick out the atheists, because after all, if your talking about numbers and beliefs, atheism seems to directly contradict Britain's, as you put it, 'culture and religion'.

[WOMBAI]

Your friends, might I remind you, are fighting for this apparent 'freedom'. I don't agree with Burkas. On the whole, like the rest of Islam, I find it to be a ****ing joke, but trying to deny people the right to wear them is a bit hypocritical.

I'm also somewhat surprised at the views WOMBAI is expressing. Anybody should be allowed practice a religion of there choice as long as it does not conflict with the interests of others. As much as I despise religion, it's stupid to try and censor there freedom to practice because that's just being hypocritical.

Of course taking WOMBAI's incredible logic, we should also kick out the atheists, because after all, if your talking about numbers and beliefs, atheism seems to directly contradict Britain's, as you put it, 'culture and religion'.

I don't object, in theory, to people practicing the religion of their choice in this or any other country - as long as it doesn't conflict with the dominant religion/culture of that country in the way that the wearing of a burka in Britain conflicts with ours. The wearing of a burka does pose potential security issues, and as it is viewed by many (most of the female population for a start) as a symbol of oppression - allowing it would be as good as condoning it.

How does being an atheist compare with that! What special considerations do they require? People can believe or disbelieve all they like - that is not the issue.

I responded to a poster who implied that our objections to Muslim women wearing burkas etc justified Muslim hatred and retaliation. Most reasonable people would not agree with that. Why should we bend the rules or go against our principles of equality to suit their beliefs? They certainly wouldn't do it for us. We are not the bad guys here - as was implied - we are perfectly entitled to be a little less accommodating for other religions that condradict our way of life.

I am sure you will come back at me with your usual tirade of argumentative rhetoric. Be my guest.

[Stu]

I don't object, in theory, to people practicing the religion of their choice in this or any other country - as long as it doesn't conflict with the dominant religion/culture of that country - ie the wearing of a burka in Britain does pose potential security issues, and as it is viewed by many as a symbol of oppression, should not be condoned as a matter of principle.

How does being an atheist compare with that! What special considerations do they require? People can believe or disbelieve all they like - that is not the issue.

I responded to a poster who implied that our objections to Muslim women wearing burkas etc justified Muslim hatred and retaliation. Most reasonable people would not agree with that. Why should we bend the rules or go against our principles of equality to suit their beliefs? They certainly wouldn't do it for us. We are not the bad guys here - as was implied - we are perfectly entitled to be a little less accommodating for other religions that condradict our way of life.

I am sure you will come back at me with your usual tirade of argumentative rhetoric. Be my guest.
Actually no, that's fair enough, it's just the way your worded it. So no. No tired rhetoric. Still, nice to know I can pose questions to you in the serious debates forum free of any tired attempts at character judgment in a vein attempt to prelude and ridicule any argument I may have posted :rolleyes:.