View Full Version : Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 03:36 PM
is she onto something and will she be the pres one day?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/sarah-palin/6731928/Sarah-Palin-says-US-should-rededicate-itself-to-God.html
The former US vice-presidential candidate argued that a humble spirit could help leaders to get more answers on issues such as health care, energy and national security.
In a video released Friday by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, the 2008 Republican candidate for vice president, said it was important for leaders to recognise they don't have all the answers.
Mrs Palin said: "No one person has all the right answers. It takes a united nation, and it does take godly counsel, and it takes prayer and answers to prayer - and a collective humble heart of a nation seeking God's hand of protection and his blessings of prosperity.
"I think if we can get back to that, our country will be a safer, more prosperous and healthier nation."
The former Alaska governor referred to an Abraham Lincoln proclamation that declared a day of national humiliation, fasting, and prayer.
She said the United States has been "touched by God" because the nation's early leaders dedicated the country to God.
Mrs Palin said: "If we could get back to that, that humbleness, with that kind of contrite spirit, I think that we would be able to be provided more of the answers to so many of the great challenges that we're facing.
"And these are huge challenges, whether we're talking about health care, whether we're talking about energy independence, whether we're talking about national security measures."
InOne
06-12-2009, 03:37 PM
Well it's all rubbish really. American politicians use God to get the votes, the bible belt is massive.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 03:39 PM
Well it's all rubbish really. American politicians use God to get the votes, the bible belt is massive.
You make that sound bad
InOne
06-12-2009, 03:41 PM
You make that sound bad
Well it is really. God has nothing to do with politics.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 03:44 PM
Well it is really. God has nothing to do with politics.
Perhaps but there is nothing wrong in our Politicians being God fearing.
InOne
06-12-2009, 03:45 PM
Perhaps but there is nothing wrong in our Politicians being God fearing.
You can't fear something that does not exist.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 03:48 PM
You can't fear something that does not exist.
iyho
which may be incorrect
InOne
06-12-2009, 03:49 PM
iyho
which may be incorrect
It is getting closer to fact everyday. All theists have is faith.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 03:50 PM
It is getting closer to fact everyday. All theists have is faith.
how so. all you have is faith too. each generation has a faith in the knowledge of the day. 100 years later that knowledge is horlicks.
InOne
06-12-2009, 03:51 PM
how so. all you have is faith too. each generation has a faith in the knowledge of the day. 100 years later that knowledge is horlicks.
Well Science has theories, Religion has old folk tales.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 03:53 PM
Well Science has theories, Religion has old folk tales.
if you come at it from that standpoint then you hoist yourself on your own petard
InOne
06-12-2009, 03:56 PM
if you come at it from that standpoint then you hoist yourself on your own petard
I don't even think you are religious, you're most likely taking the piss.
setanta
06-12-2009, 03:56 PM
how so. all you have is faith too. each generation has a faith in the knowledge of the day. 100 years later that knowledge is horlicks.
Look how Bush used faith as a powerful tool in his plans to bomb the shite outta Afghanistan and Iraq. It's a dangerous and highly manipulative weapon to use in politics.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 03:58 PM
Look how Bush used faith as a powerful tool in his plans to bomb the shite outta Afghanistan and Iraq. It's a dangerous and highly manipulative weapon to use in politics.
To be fair Bush would have used anything to get his own way, religion was closest at hand.
setanta
06-12-2009, 04:00 PM
To be fair Bush would have used anything to get his own way, religion was closest at hand.
But you've proven my point.... it's a dangerous weapon in politics and should be treated accordingly, with great care and deliberation. Actually, I feel sickly when anyone uses it in politics. A very cheap trick.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 04:01 PM
But you've proven my point.... it's a dangerous weapon in politics and should be treated accordingly, with great care and deliberation. Actually, I feel sickly when anyone uses it in politics. A very cheap trick.
what do you mean uses it?
do you disagree with Palin's sentiment?
InOne
06-12-2009, 04:02 PM
Mrs Palin said: "No one person has all the right answers. It takes a united nation, and it does take godly counsel, and it takes prayer and answers to prayer - and a collective humble heart of a nation seeking God's hand of protection and his blessings of prosperity.
"I think if we can get back to that, our country will be a safer, more prosperous and healthier nation."
That would make America 10x worse, there is already too many powerful fundies high up in American politics
I actually liken this to mental illness. How she is drawing completely out of the blue, baseless, abstract conclusions attributed to 'God'. Isn't it funny how God always causes the good stuff, but never the bad?
**** it. Let her pray. When she gets a voice in the wind or in a burning bush telling her how to fix her country, she can let us know.
setanta
06-12-2009, 04:18 PM
what do you mean uses it?
do you disagree with Palin's sentiment?
Of course I do. Mixing wishy washy religious rhetoric with politics is a dangerous game and a cheap tactic to gain support that's been a typical policy adapted by many parties. Absolute wank if you ask me.
Tom4784
06-12-2009, 04:22 PM
Politics should never mix with religion really as most religion is biased and if we model a government after it it'll only lead to (more) discrimination. As for Sarah Palin is president? I wouldn't want that mad cow anywhere near the white house, she's George Bush with a vagina.
What she wont tell you these days is she was once a big fan of the idea of Alaska breaking off from America...
setanta
06-12-2009, 04:29 PM
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InOne
06-12-2009, 04:31 PM
Haha go on Damon lad
Scarlett.
06-12-2009, 04:37 PM
Religeon and politics should NEVER mix
WOMBAI
06-12-2009, 04:48 PM
Religeon and politics should NEVER mix
Agreed! Just leads to bias and manipulation!
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 04:48 PM
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advice from an actor?:joker:
What has his profession got to do with it? Most politicians are actors.
InOne
06-12-2009, 04:57 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/05/18/1805bushblair_narrowweb__300x354,0.jpg
Snakes in suits.
arista
06-12-2009, 05:15 PM
is she onto something and will she be the pres one day?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/sarah-palin/6731928/Sarah-Palin-says-US-should-rededicate-itself-to-God.html
The former US vice-presidential candidate argued that a humble spirit could help leaders to get more answers on issues such as health care, energy and national security.
In a video released Friday by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, the 2008 Republican candidate for vice president, said it was important for leaders to recognise they don't have all the answers.
Mrs Palin said: "No one person has all the right answers. It takes a united nation, and it does take godly counsel, and it takes prayer and answers to prayer - and a collective humble heart of a nation seeking God's hand of protection and his blessings of prosperity.
"I think if we can get back to that, our country will be a safer, more prosperous and healthier nation."
The former Alaska governor referred to an Abraham Lincoln proclamation that declared a day of national humiliation, fasting, and prayer.
She said the United States has been "touched by God" because the nation's early leaders dedicated the country to God.
Mrs Palin said: "If we could get back to that, that humbleness, with that kind of contrite spirit, I think that we would be able to be provided more of the answers to so many of the great challenges that we're facing.
"And these are huge challenges, whether we're talking about health care, whether we're talking about energy independence, whether we're talking about national security measures."
Hockey Mum is a Nutter
she can not connect with the Public
just like our soon to be gone, One Eyed Scottish Brown.
Sign Of The Times.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 05:17 PM
What has his profession got to do with it? Most politicians are actors.
its the assumption that what he says counts because he has been in some good films.
i would sooner listen to Bill Oddie
its the assumption that what he says counts because he has been in some good films.
i would sooner listen to Bill Oddie
No? I think your the only person assuming that. He is entitled to give his views on things just like everyone else. What do you want to do, censor him because he is an actor?
[And maybe because he does not agree with your views?]
arista
06-12-2009, 05:18 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/05/18/1805bushblair_narrowweb__300x354,0.jpg
Snakes in suits.
Utter War Criminals
On a Hit List.
Justice.
arista
06-12-2009, 05:20 PM
Politics should never mix with religion really as most religion is biased and if we model a government after it it'll only lead to (more) discrimination. As for Sarah Palin is president? I wouldn't want that mad cow anywhere near the white house, she's George Bush with a vagina.
Bang On Right
Slick Dezzy.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 05:22 PM
No? I think your the only person assuming that. He is entitled to give his views on things just like everyone else. What do you want to do, censor him because he is an actor?
[And maybe because he does not agree with your views?]
yes, sigh, the reason it was posted was to do with the politics and nowt to do with who he is....:whistle:
Not only politics, but religion has no place anywhere in government, or education. If people have such strong faith in god, they should just go ahead and practice their thing and not worry about where else god shows up. Why are they so obsessed with god appearing on dollar bills and above blackboards in elementary school classes?
It's never something to do with falling church attendances or them wanting us to believe what they believe, is it?
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 05:23 PM
Utter War Criminals
On a Hit List.
Justice.
I never had you down for one of David Cameron's Eton chums?
yes, sigh, the reason it was posted was to do with the politics and nowt to do with who he is....:whistle:
He is famous. Famous people tend to get coverage, and thus a platform to air views. Again, what do you want to do, censor him? Why does his opinion mean less because he is an actor? Well?
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 05:24 PM
Not only politics, but religion has no place anywhere in government, or education. If people have such strong faith in god, they should just go ahead and practice their thing and not worry about where else god shows up. Why are they so obsessed with god appearing on dollar bills and above blackboards in elementary school classes?
It's never something to do with falling church attendances or them wanting us to believe what they believe, is it?
yes its a big conspiracy
lol at "them"
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 05:26 PM
He is famous. Famous people tend to get coverage, and thus a platform to air views. Again, what do you want to do, censor him? Why does his opinion mean less because he is an actor? Well?
do you think the vid was posted for political reasons or because it was MD and the poster thought that he was cool and therefore must be on to something?
yes its a big conspiracy
lol at "them"
LeatherTrumpet : Because when you have no other argument, putting words in your opponents mouth will do.
:rolleyes:
do you think the vid was posted for political reasons or because it was MD and the poster thought that he was cool and therefore must be on to something?
Who cares why it was posted? Stop dodging the point. It's not about why it was posted, it's about why you think Matt Damon's opinions matter less because he is an actor? You acted like he was not allowed to speak up on issued or that his opinion was somehow not valid. Now you are trying to step back away from that.
Why should I listen to your opinions? After all, your just an anonymous poster on a forum, right?
setanta
06-12-2009, 05:29 PM
do you think the vid was posted for political reasons or because it was MD and the poster thought that he was cool and therefore must be on to something?
What are you talking about? I posted it because his condemnation of her was accurate and funny too. Get off your high horse about the fact that he's an actor.... he's an articulate, well read and intelligent young man who's voicing his concerns. I thought that was allowed in a democratic society, right?
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 05:30 PM
LeatherTrumpet : Because when you have no other argument, putting words in your opponents mouth will do.
:rolleyes:
Matt Damon starts off with "I dont know anything about her" and then goes on to trip out a variety of media stereotypes.
is this what you aspire to?
the guy is a jerk who is following the crowd..
oops
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 05:31 PM
What are you talking about? I posted it because his condemnation of her was accurate and funny too. Get off your high horse about the fact that he's an actor.... he's an articulate, well read and intelligent young man who's voicing his concerns. I thought that was allowed in a democratic society, right?
next time, listen to the clip before you pontificate. he know nothing about her....
and lol at your justification..
setanta
06-12-2009, 05:32 PM
next time, listen to the clip before you pontificate. he know nothing about her....
and lol at your justification..
There's absolutely nothing to talk about here because everything he said about her is based in fact. What is your problem? Do you deliberately go out of your way to get a rise outta people when you have nothing else to fall back on?
Matt Damon starts off with "I dont know anything about her" and then goes on to trip out a variety of media stereotypes.
is this what you aspire to?
the guy is a jerk who is following the crowd..
oops
The guy is a jerk who is following the crowd? Wait ... you mean he is not following you? What about the crowds you follow? Is this a conspiracy on your part? The good old fashioned ''The US is being secretly run by teh LIBERAL GAY MEDIA!''.
You don't need to know anything about somebody as an individual to give your opinion on their policies or world view.
And why, LT, did you wait until now to finally actually say this? Trying to get a logical argument from you is like trying to draw blood from a stone.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 05:36 PM
There's absolutely nothing to talk about here because everything he said about her is based in fact. What is your problem? Do you deliberately go out of your way to get a rise outta people when you have nothing else to fall back on?
"I think that there is a really good chance that Sarah Palin could be president, but I dont know anything about her"
:joker:
great clip
''everything he said about her is fact''
:joker:
great point
arista
06-12-2009, 05:37 PM
I never had you down for one of David Cameron's Eton chums?
You are Wrong
if you think it matters the place you came from.
One Eyed Scottish Brown has Wrecked the UK
and will go down as the Un Elected PM that Destroyed New Labour
forever more.
setanta
06-12-2009, 05:38 PM
"I think that there is a really good chance that Sarah Palin could be president, but I dont know anything about her"
:joker:
great clip
He's states that because there's a good chance she may have become president and her political career was nothing to write home about. God, you're a bit dense.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 05:40 PM
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/duty_calls.png
I don't what Barracks shoe size is or what is on his iPOD but I had a fair idea he was going to become president...
setanta
06-12-2009, 05:45 PM
I don't what Barracks shoe size is or what is on his iPOD but I had a fair idea he was going to become president...
I just meant if the Republicans had gotten in. But yeah, it was just crazy to think that she was that close. Anyway, LT is just a stirrer.
Crimson Dynamo
06-12-2009, 05:46 PM
I don't what Barracks shoe size is or what is on his iPOD but I had a fair idea he was going to become president...
that is why you are not a hollywood actor...
that is why you are not a hollywood actor...
Back to abstract arguments?
I just meant if the Republicans had gotten in. But yeah, it was just crazy to think that she was that close. Anyway, LT is just a stirrer.
That was directed towards LT, in response to his assumption that because Matt Damon knew nothing about Palin he was in no position to comment on her politics.
WOMBAI
06-12-2009, 05:58 PM
Although I believe famous actors have as much right to an opinion as anyone else - I do think that their celebrity status can unfairly influence some people. There are many people these days that seem to see celebrities as some sort of god and think they know everything about everything - which is clearly not he case. I think some polititians are not adverse to using this to their advantage and is just something people need to be aware of.
Same can be said of politicians too, I think.
''Oh, lookey, his in a suit, he must know''.
Dangerous to think the government always has your best interests at heart.
WOMBAI
06-12-2009, 06:08 PM
I wouldn't trust any polititian further than I could sling them - from whatever party! I think that even the few that go into politics with genuine good intensions - get corrupted by the system. I am a complete cynic - when it comes to politics.
arista
06-12-2009, 06:13 PM
I wouldn't trust any polititian further than I could sling them - from whatever party! I think that even the few that go into politics with genuine good intensions - get corrupted by the system. I am a complete cynic - when it comes to politics.
Nothing Wrong with that at all
Perfect for this General Election.
Elections don't always pan out though. I hate to sound like a nihlist but a lot of people are ... stupid. Look at Ireland. We stuck with Fianna Fail and elected Betie 'where's the money gone?' Ahern for a second time and now look where we are.
We are also suffering an unelected leader :bawling:.
NettoSuperstar!
07-12-2009, 08:29 AM
And shes as bad as any muslim extremist that one!
arista
07-12-2009, 08:35 AM
And shes as bad as any muslim extremist that one!
Yes they want her in
so they can keep the Fire Burning.
Dr.Gonzo
07-12-2009, 08:45 AM
Religeon and politics should NEVER mix
Yes. Anyone in politics showing a particular religious persuasion should be *******ed off. It isn't ethical. It's fine for them to have their own beliefs, but as a politician they should have the responsibility to keep their mouths shut about such things.
WOMBAI
07-12-2009, 08:48 AM
Yes. Anyone in politics showing a particular religious persuasion should be *******ed off. It isn't ethical. It's fine for them to have their own beliefs, but as a politician they should have the responsibility to keep their mouths shut about such things.
:thumbs:
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