Can gay "weddings" work at all?

[Crimson Dynamo]

We are constantly told that men think about sex every 7 seconds, that they are non biologically monogamous, that our make up is to procreate with as many as possible to spread the gene pool etc

Women are different and need to keep a mate etc they counterbalance the male urges etc and thus the 2 are well suited.

So what hope do 2 men who are homosexual have of having a steady and happy relationship. Should this whole gay "wedding" thing be scrapped as it is a non starter or do 2 men being together by law somehow biologically change?

Surely lesbian "weddings" make much more sense?

[Dr.Gonzo]

Misleading title. You're thinking more about 'marriage', eh? Because, of course, gay weddings can and do work. It's two of the same sex reading vows rather than one of each sex.

[BB_Eye]

Inevitably less gay weddings are going to happen than straight weddings. There is very little incentive to start a family and men are generally less inclined towards monogamy, but people should still have the choice either way. One size doesn't fit all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Misleading title. You're thinking more about 'marriage', eh? Because, of course, gay weddings can and do work. It's two of the same sex reading vows rather than one of each sex.

you get the jis t?

[Dr.Gonzo]

Inevitably less gay weddings are going to happen than straight weddings. There is very little incentive to start a family and men are generally less inclined towards monogamy, but people should still have the choice either way. One size doesn't fit all.

It can do with enough lube.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It can do with enough lube.



lets not go down that root

[Dr.Gonzo]

you get the jis t?


I do. With no help at all from the title of the thread.

[InOne]

That is like saying can Islamic "weddings" work at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That is like saying can Islamic "weddings" work at all.

racist

[Dr.Gonzo]

LT, it seems like your thread topics are aimed at stirring up the masses. Between you and me, it always seems to fall flat; you paint yourself as ignorant/stupid and that is all. Your threads are forgotten and only your shortcomings remain.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT, it seems like your thread topics are aimed at stirring up the masses. Between you and me, it always seems to fall flat; you paint yourself as ignorant/stupid and that is all. Your threads are forgotten and only your shortcomings remain.


All threads are forgotten, hence their charm and if they did not stir up the masses (or the handful of folk here) they would get no replies.

Threads like "isnt the world lovely" "i like everyone" and "oh what a gay day" would be about as popular as your last thread which was retired with no replies.

This is a legitimate question, I think your holier than thou posts would be better directed at karezza.

take away my threads and this bit of the forum may well be thread bare.

if you dont like the thread either make a new one or keep out:nono:

[InOne]

racist

Homophobe.

[GhettoSuperstar]

That is like saying can Islamic "weddings" work at all.

This.

All people are different. And everybody has different levels of psychological components. In other words, you could have a really sexually active woman and a co-dependant man.

From my own observations the major threat to any gay marriage is that is it constantly being judged. If someone (or two people) are being judged more than straight people then it puts more pressure on them.

But what can potentially make a gay marriage stronger is the above. They have both been through the same pressures and then this can draw them closer together.

At the end of the day, this is crap because every individual is different.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This.

All people are different. And everybody has different levels of psychological components. In other words, you could have a really sexually active woman and a co-dependant man.

From my own observations the major threat to any gay marriage is that is it constantly being judged. If someone (or two people) are being judged more than straight people then it puts more pressure on them.

But what can potentially make a gay marriage stronger is the above. They have both been through the same pressures and then this can draw them closer together.

At the end of the day, this is crap because every individual is different.

what are the stats of success between homosexual and lesbian marriage success?

[GhettoSuperstar]

what are the stats of success between homosexual and lesbian marriage success?

This question makes no sense. Grammar please.

[Scarlett.]

This thread fails

[Ross]

This thread fails

I agree.

[setanta]

This question makes no sense. Grammar please.

Don't be like that. It's fairly obvious what the question was.

[Niamh.]

This.

All people are different. And everybody has different levels of psychological components. In other words, you could have a really sexually active woman and a co-dependant man.

From my own observations the major threat to any gay marriage is that is it constantly being judged. If someone (or two people) are being judged more than straight people then it puts more pressure on them.

But what can potentially make a gay marriage stronger is the above. They have both been through the same pressures and then this can draw them closer together.

At the end of the day, this is crap because every individual is different.

Great points, I hate these men/women generalisations every person is individual therefore different

[Crimson Dynamo]

This question makes no sense. Grammar please.

do lesbian marriages succeed more than homosexual ones?



sorry that the last post was so encrypted that you had to turn on your pedant shield to deal with it..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great points, I hate these men/women generalisations every person is individual therefore different

Whilst everyone realises that obvious point that does not help make policy, rules and legislation - it does not help us see trends.

it would also render this part of the forum redundant.

I do not see people raising this point when talking about Christians, Muslims, Catholics?

[Ross]

I don't get why your debating this. If you don't have to marry a man, it shouldn't be a problem. Unless ofcourse you are going to marry a man and you're simply curious if you're marriage would work.

"Women are different and need to keep a mate etc they counterbalance the male urges etc and thus the 2 are well suited."

Not true. Hence why men are gay, they don't like women. End of.

Everybody is different and wether you choose to believe it or not, being gay/lesbian is normal these days. So yes, gay weddings work as much as a straight wedding. Both can be as happy as each partner makes it, it's not down to ones sexuality at all.

[Niamh.]

Whilst everyone realises that obvious point that does not help make policy, rules and legislation - it does not help us see trends.

it would also render this part of the forum redundant.

I do not see people raising this point when talking about Christians, Muslims, Catholics?

raising what point that Catholics, Muslims and Christians are all individuals too? Of course they are

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't get why your debating this. If you don't have to marry a man, it shouldn't be a problem. Unless ofcourse you are going to marry a man and you're simply curious if you're marriage would work.

"Women are different and need to keep a mate etc they counterbalance the male urges etc and thus the 2 are well suited."

Not true. Hence why men are gay, they don't like women. End of.

Everybody is different and wether you choose to believe it or not, being gay/lesbian is normal these days. So yes, gay weddings work as much as a straight wedding. Both can be as happy as each partner makes it, it's not down to ones sexuality at all.

But you are missing the point. Your point is valid if men and women were biologically similar with similar sexual needs and profiles. Surely 2 men will be in greater danger of infidelity?

[setanta]

Whilst everyone realises that obvious point that does not help make policy, rules and legislation - it does not help us see trends.

it would also render this part of the forum redundant.

I do not see people raising this point when talking about Christians, Muslims, Catholics?

You're very dull sometimes LT in your efforts to classify, tag or condemn groups that you have absolutely no regard for. Remember you compared murderers to homosexuals in another thread involving Jesus? It's fairly transparent to me what you're trying to achieve here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

raising what point that Catholics, Muslims and Christians are all individuals too? Of course they are

I dont see or read too much of that point being made when anyone is discussing them or slagging them off. catholic priests seem to spring to mind.

[GhettoSuperstar]

Don't be like that. It's fairly obvious what the question was.

Honestly, no.
By reading it I had no idea, I was like 'why are they asking about a relationship between a gay man and a lesbian?' so, point.

But to answer the question I don't know the stats anyway, same sex marriage is too much of a recent thing to compare it yet.

[Fom]

I know lots of married gay couples and I can say one thing, in my circle of friends I have never experienced a gay divorce. But a lot of straight divorces.

If male couples eventually get married, then it is most likely they have got over the fact they are both men and do not mind all the things you mention.

[setanta]

I dont see or read too much of that point being made when anyone is discussing them or slagging them off. catholic priests seem to spring to mind.

Of course they're treated differently! They abused kids when placed in positions of importance within the fabric of a community, thereby shaming the very principals of the Catholic Church, who had a stranglehold on all aspects of life in Ireland at the time.

Now you're comparing homosexuality to systematic abuse. Stop it LT. This is ridiculous.

[Niamh.]

I dont see or read too much of that point being made when anyone is discussing them or slagging them off. catholic priests seem to spring to mind.

I don't usually argue too much in those threads tbh

[Ross]

But you are missing the point. Your point is valid if men and women were biologically similar with similar sexual needs and profiles. Surely 2 men will be in greater danger of infidelity?

There are 6 billion or so people who live on earth and everyday that number rises, so I'm sure a small percentage of the world who are gay, lesbian, choose to not have kids and ofcourse the people who cannot have kids naturally won't really matter to the popular. (I kinda feel this is what you're hinting at, two men can't reproduce so the population will be effected in the long run)

I don't think two men are in greater danger of infidelity. Women are just as bad as men in cheating on their partners. Men may have a higher sex drive than women so surely two gay men's sex life would be better with eachother, surely?

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're very dull sometimes LT in your efforts to classify, tag or condemn groups that you have absolutely no regard for. Remember you compared murderers to homosexuals in another thread involving Jesus? It's fairly transparent to me what you're trying to achieve here.

No i did not and it is lazy and misleading to say I did


I stated that to suggest that Jesus was gay was was a moot point just like it would be to debate him being a murderer or a paedophile. ie He was not so the debate is moot

go and re read my post and do not try and jump on a bandwagon ffs

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are 6 billion or so people who live on earth and everyday that number rises, so I'm sure a small percentage of the world who are gay, lesbian, choose to not have kids and ofcourse the people who cannot have kids naturally won't really matter to the popular. (I kinda feel this is what you're hinting at, two men can't reproduce so the population will be effected in the long run)

I don't think two men are in greater danger of infidelity. Women are just as bad as men in cheating on their partners. Men may have a higher sex drive than women so surely two gay men's sex life would be better with eachother, surely?

I do not know hence the question and debate.

[Tom]

Gay wedding = contradiction

Don't really care though, if it makes people happy then why not

[WOMBAI]

We are constantly told that men think about sex every 7 seconds, that they are non biologically monogamous, that our make up is to procreate with as many as possible to spread the gene pool etc

Women are different and need to keep a mate etc they counterbalance the male urges etc and thus the 2 are well suited.

So what hope do 2 men who are homosexual have of having a steady and happy relationship. Should this whole gay "wedding" thing be scrapped as it is a non starter or do 2 men being together by law somehow biologically change?

Surely lesbian "weddings" make much more sense?

Full of sweeping statements!

[setanta]

No i did not and it is lazy and misleading to say I did


I stated that to suggest that Jesus was gay was was a moot point just like it would be to debate him being a murderer or a paedophile. ie He was not so the debate is moot

go and re read my post and do not try and jump on a bandwagon ffs

There's intent in everything you write in this forum. It's not a coincidence that you mention Catholic priests in a thread right now that involves a discussion on homosexuality, just like you threw in paedophilia in another one. You've done it before and you continue to do it here, trying to catagorize and condemn a certain sexuality that you find deplorable.

[Wildcat!]

The statistics, will be misleading, if youre gonna compare, Same sex marriages, with homosexual ones. BUt if youre gonna compare Homosexual marriages, they are gonna be similar.

Straight marriages, are common, and they result in divorce about half of the time. Because people these days, dont think twice about getting married, since its so easy to get divorced whenever something goes wrong. Which explains why divorce rate is pretty high now,.

When it comes to gay marriages, well, its not very common, and as far as I know, they have to be pretty committed in order to take that step. So naturally, the divorce rate is gonna be pretty low, weather they are gay or lesbians. I dont there is much difference in the numbers, given how recent the earliest gay marriages are.

[Ross]

I'm confused. I don't know wether you're asking because their gay, or because they're men.

:S which brings me back to my previous point... women are as much to blame as men when it comes to infedelity, it's not because men have a higher sex drive.

[Wildcat!]

Gay wedding = contradiction

Don't really care though, if it makes people happy then why not


Pretty much my feelings on the thing. It does not really concern me, so whatever.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's intent in everything you write in this forum. It's not a coincidence that you mention Catholic priests in a thread right now that involves a discussion on homosexuality, just like you threw in paedophilia in another one. You've done it before and you continue to do it here, trying to catagorize and condemn a certain sexuality that you find deplorable.

the only person doing the above is yourself^^

hoisted by your own petard

[Wildcat!]

I'm confused. I don't know wether you're asking because their gay, or because they're men.

:S which brings me back to my previous point... women are as much to blame as men when it comes to infedelity, it's not because men have a higher sex drive.


I think he is asking weather the marriage between men, is more durable than the marriage between women.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm confused. I don't know wether you're asking because their gay, or because they're men.

:S which brings me back to my previous point... women are as much to blame as men when it comes to infedelity, it's not because men have a higher sex drive.

how do you know that is true?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The statistics, will be misleading, if youre gonna compare, Same sex marriages, with homosexual ones. BUt if youre gonna compare Homosexual marriages, they are gonna be similar.

Straight marriages, are common, and they result in divorce about half of the time. Because people these days, dont think twice about getting married, since its so easy to get divorced whenever something goes wrong. Which explains why divorce rate is pretty high now,.

When it comes to gay marriages, well, its not very common, and as far as I know, they have to be pretty committed in order to take that step. So naturally, the divorce rate is gonna be pretty low, weather they are gay or lesbians. I dont there is much difference in the numbers, given how recent the earliest gay marriages are.


good reply. low on hysteria. low on bandwaggoning. high on common sense.

[setanta]

the only person doing the above is yourself^^

hoisted by your own petard

Not at all - you continually act in the same manner within the serious debates forum, unwilling to really have a discussion because you have your own shady agenda to stay true to.

[Ross]

Well how do you know that is true?

how do you know it's true that men cheat more? on what statistics? you can't say men cheat more than women... maybe a few statistics dotted around the place say it, but on the whole they can't examine EVERY relationship.

sure, men are in the spotlight for cheating more ie. John Terry, Ashley Cole etc. (I'm using celebrities as an example here) but where's to say that everyday life among normal folk, the women isn't doing the dirty?


Forgive me if I'm wrong and I do apologise if I am but it just seems you are attacking homosexuals alot recently and hiding it behind ludacris debates.

[Tom]

I'm confused. I don't know wether you're asking because their gay, or because they're men.

:S which brings me back to my previous point... women are as much to blame as men when it comes to infedelity, it's not because men have a higher sex drive.

Men are naturally more likely to cheat, so can a marriage between 2 men work?

I guess it just comes down to probability. Lets say a man has a 1 in 2 chance of cheating and a woman has 1 in 3. That would mean theres a 1 in 4 chance of someone cheating in a male same sex marriage, compared to 1 in 6 chance for straight marriage and 1 in 9 for female same sex marriage. I think thats the point LT is trying to make.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not at all - you continually act in the same manner within the serious debates forum, unwilling to really have a discussion because you have your own shady agenda to stay true to.

get a grip on yourself for crying out loud.

[GhettoSuperstar]

I don't like the fact that (sexuality aside) people are assuming I would cheat on someone more than a woman.

You don't know me :/ piss off. :)

[Fom]

I don't like the fact that (sexuality aside) people are assuming I would cheat on someone more than a woman.

You don't know me :/ piss off. :)

Thats annoying me too.. I know for a fact I would never cheat and I know lots of other guys with the same thought!

[setanta]

get a grip on yourself for crying out loud.

I think you're the one who enjoys creating hysteria to be honest with you.

[InOne]

I think Women are just as likely to cheat really

[Crimson Dynamo]

how do you know it's true that men cheat more? on what statistics? you can't say men cheat more than women... maybe a few statistics dotted around the place say it, but on the whole they can't examine EVERY relationship.

sure, men are in the spotlight for cheating more ie. John Terry, Ashley Cole etc. (I'm using celebrities as an example here) but where's to say that everyday life among normal folk, the women isn't doing the dirty?


Forgive me if I'm wrong and I do apologise if I am but it just seems you are attacking homosexuals alot recently and hiding it behind ludacris debates.

well if you can prove that then go ahead and list all my attacking homosexual posts

or better still report me listing them all and let admin decide

if you cannot then stop crying homophone every time someone disagrees or challenges your world-view

[Tom]

Thats annoying me too.. I know for a fact I would never cheat and I know lots of other guys with the same thought!

You say that now ...

I've thought that in the past but got bored and ended up cheating

Never say never.

[Wildcat!]

Individually each one of yall have their standards, but naturally. Men have a higher sex drive than women. ONe of the main reason socially, is men are usually in position of power. But since society is equaling now, thats why more women cheat these days.

People also say men think of sex more often. I dont know how true that is, but thats what they say.
And pregnancy is another factor as well. Women tend to be more careful about cheating, because they are the ones who will get pregnant. So they tend to want it to be with the person who will be around. Of course, thtas also been somewhat nulified, with contreaception. :)

[Ross]

well if you can prove that then go ahead and list all my attacking homosexual posts

or better still report me listing them all and let admin decide

if you cannot then stop crying homophone every time someone disagrees or challenges your world-view

I've never once cried homophobe. That's just my view, you hide behind these stupid debates and yes this is a stupid debate.

Why do I think this because I replied to your post with almost two paragraphs in reply to this debate and you reply back with only a response to me simply saying you attack homosexuals.

You have just proven my point.

[Shasown]

You have taken a statistical average, that is regarded by some as the norm (men thinking about sex every 7 seconds) and applied it to all.

In a relationship that works something clicks between the two people, there is attraction between them and dependant on the relationship there is a mutual fulfilling of what the other person requires. There is also a compromise between them in some way.

Are you suggesting homosexual men cant fulfill the emotional requirements of thier partner, or that they are incapable of being faithful?

[Tom]

You have taken a statistical average, that is regarded by some as the norm (men thinking about sex every 7 seconds) and applied it to all.

In a relationship that works something clicks between the two people, there is attraction between them and dependant on the relationship there is a mutual fulfilling of what the other person requires. There is also a compromise between them in some way.

Are you suggesting homosexual men cant fulfill the emotional requirements of thier partner, or that they are incapable of being faithful?

Gay men have similar brains to females and vice versa, so using that its actually lesbian couples at most risk of cheating (if we're generalising).

[cupid stunt]

dont no about gay weddings but they shudnt be allowed to adopt kids

[Shasown]

Gay men have similar brains to females and vice versa, so using that its actually lesbian couples at most risk of cheating (if we're generalising).

Wouldnt know about that Tom.


Havent dissected one. (A gay male brain that is)


Yet!!!

[setanta]

dont no about gay weddings but they shudnt be allowed to adopt kids

Oh, please don't be opening that one up again. But actually what brings you to that conclusion anyway?

[cupid stunt]

Oh, please don't be opening that one up again. But actually what brings you to that conclusion anyway?

because to start with it the poor kid wud get bullied to **** at school

[setanta]

because to start with it the poor kid wud get bullied to **** at school

Children can be bullied for many reasons. Are we to shave our kids hair if they're ginger before going to school? Deny them braces even if they're absolutely necessary? That's not the way to destroy bullying; that's the way to fear it. Nothing positive or productive comes from employing such a strategy.

[Shasown]

Children can be bullied for many reasons. Are we to shave our kids hair if they're ginger before going to school? Deny them braces even if they're absolutely necessary? That's not the way to destroy bullying; that's the way to fear it. Nothing positive or productive comes from employing such a strategy.

Will go with the head shaving for ginges, can it also be extended to adults please?

[cupid stunt]

Homophobic language removed - Darenn.

If I see much more of it, you will receive a warning

[setanta]

Will go with the head shaving for ginges, can it also be extended to adults please?

Hold it there baby - I was a strawberry blonde back then.

[setanta]

either way kids shudnt be growin up watchin 2 ******s kissing and prancing around like fairys its not normal

And there we go. This could have all been avoided if you had abandoned pretence and revealed the true extent of your prejudice from the start.

[Shasown]

What it there baby - I was a strawberry blonde back then.

PMSL. Well thats okay then. If you were Strawberry Blonde, you werent a ginge then were you?

[setanta]

PMSL. Well thats okay then. If you were Strawberry Blonde, you werent a ginge then were you?

I had my moments of it when I was very young lol. Then it went more blonde than red. Had no trouble with bullies cuz I was athletic and could kick the shi$e outta them if was needed. Wasn't needed that often though. lol

[Arneldo]

To sum up ...

http://i49.tinypic.com/nl4ubq.gif

[Shasown]

I had my moments of it when I was very young lol. Then it went more blonde than red. Had no trouble with bullies cuz I was athletic and could kick the shi$e outta them if was needed. Wasn't needed that often though. lol

Thats the thing, kids can be evil little ***** with each other, until someone has had enough and puts their foot down.

[setanta]

Thats the thing, kids can be evil little ***** with each other, until someone has had enough and puts their foot down.

Exactly. I hate bullying of any kind though so I tried to stop it wherever I saw it to be honest with you, not only when it involved me. Despise that type of crap.

[Niamh.]

We are constantly told that men think about sex every 7 seconds, that they are non biologically monogamous, that our make up is to procreate with as many as possible to spread the gene pool etc

Women are different and need to keep a mate etc they counterbalance the male urges etc and thus the 2 are well suited.

So what hope do 2 men who are homosexual have of having a steady and happy relationship. Should this whole gay "wedding" thing be scrapped as it is a non starter or do 2 men being together by law somehow biologically change?

Surely lesbian "weddings" make much more sense?

But even If most men have a higher sex drive than most woman that doesn't mean that they're more likely to cheat on there partner, infact it could mean that a man/man relationship would work better because, in theory, they would both want sex alot and would have a very active sex life where as If a man was with a woman and wanted sex more than his partner than maybe he'd be more likely to cheat on her because he wasn't getting as much as he'd like at home?

[Fom]

I wish i was invited to a lesbian wedding... imagine all the lesbians there :O:O:O:O:O:O there is a heaven on earth ahahahha

You do realise that with them being lesbians (real life lesbians) they will not be attracted to you and they will not let you watch.

[Fom]

You say that now ...

I've thought that in the past but got bored and ended up cheating

Never say never.

No I know I will never cheat, My dad cheated on my mum and I don't think I could ever do that to someone. If you get bored why not just end the relationship? There is no reason to cheat, if you are bored of the relationship get out of it don't go messing around behind peoples backs.

Its what cowards and pathetic men do.

[Tom]

No I know I will never cheat, My dad cheated on my mum and I don't think I could ever do that to someone. If you get bored why not just end the relationship? There is no reason to cheat, if you are bored of the relationship get out of it don't go messing around behind peoples backs.

Its what cowards and pathetic men do.

Because you don't want to hurt them and cheating is the lesser of two evils when you're in that mind set.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've never once cried homophobe. That's just my view, you hide behind these stupid debates and yes this is a stupid debate.

Why do I think this because I replied to your post with almost two paragraphs in reply to this debate and you reply back with only a response to me simply saying you attack homosexuals.

You have just proven my point.

in other words you cannot.



no further questions m'lud