View Full Version : have you ever tryed meow meow ?
dirtyvileHARRYuk
17-03-2010, 08:39 AM
woke up this morning and 2 deaths have been linked to this drug? we do have to wait for fall farcts to come out as i am hearing one of them was on methdone the heroin substitute and he might have had a leathal reaction to both drugs.
this meowmeow dose not sound pleasent and my advice would be stay well clear.
Joes advice on meow meow
2 deaths have now opened the debate,
to the inventors and distributors i have to congratulate.
your brand is now in a catapult,
and it being on the news will for sure cause revolt.
its a tricky name and sounds like the heroin substitute,
more confusion around this substance is a guarantee it will pollute.
its made from a plant fertilizer and that's on sale,
what is the profit when its transformed and a kilos put on the scale.
its the tip of the iceberg and the damage is not known,
but just like snorting cocaine, your insides will be blown.
dealers are not providing a service, its all about the lute,
and once they start cutting it, contamination will be the new dispute.
the joe will offer advice and this is a free rap,
don't go near methadrome - meow meow, don't fall in any drug trap.
Crimson Dynamo
17-03-2010, 08:54 AM
34 people die every day from either alcohol or in a road accident.
rapunza1977
17-03-2010, 01:54 PM
i think you would be pretty bonkers to 'try' any drug
misery misery misery
rapunza1977
17-03-2010, 01:55 PM
well that said, I am partial to the odd marlboro light and glass of pinot grigio ...............
GypsyGoth
17-03-2010, 01:57 PM
Never heard of it and wouldn't try it.
You know it's got nothing to actually do with plant feeder, right? They just pass it off as plant feeder to get away with selling it.
sounds dirty, it needs a fancy name like exstacy has.
*mazedsalv**
18-03-2010, 05:08 PM
Nope.
Im quite a healthy person as things go. I dont smoke or do drugs.
I have the ocassional cigar (only had it three times ever).
And I drink probably right now, on average 3/4 times a month.
I would never try any drug. Ok, I have tried weed once, horrible, dont get why its so overrated.
You know it's got nothing to actually do with plant feeder, right? They just pass it off as plant feeder to get away with selling it.
Because it is plant feeder otherwise they can get done under the trade descriptions act.
Because it is plant feeder otherwise they can get done under the trade descriptions act.
Plant feeder in name only. It's got nothing to do with plant feeder though. It's like saying booze must be a floor cleaner because it's sold as such in a reverse situation.
Plant feeder in name only. It's got nothing to do with plant feeder though. It's like saying booze must be a floor cleaner because it's sold as such in a reverse situation.
But you can use it to feed plants. Hence they get away with selling it as plant feeder. Booze doesn't clean your floor, so they don't sell it as that. If they did they could be prosecuted.
But you can use it to feed plants. Hence they get away with selling it as plant feeder. Booze doesn't clean your floor, so they don't sell it as that. If they did they could be prosecuted.
No, you can't use it to feed plants. You try giving Mephedrone to plants. I have been around this stuff for about two years. I know some of the people behind Cork's head shops.
None of this stuff has any application whatsoever as anything but drugs.
No, you can't use it to feed plants. You try giving Mephedrone to plants. I have been around this stuff for about two years. I know some of the people behind Cork's head shops.
None of this stuff has any application whatsoever as anything but drugs.
You can feed it to plants and it is included in some fertilisers.
You can feed it to plants and it is included in some fertilisers.
Source?
You cannot feed it to plants. You can, but it wont do anything. It has never been used in fertelizers for sale in legit gardening stores. It's like telling me you can use caffeine to remove stains.
Mephedrone is a stimulant and entactogen drug of the phenethylamine, amphetamine, and cathinone chemical family. It has no use whatsoever as anything but a drug.
Shasown
18-03-2010, 06:04 PM
But you can use it to feed plants. Hence they get away with selling it as plant feeder. Booze doesn't clean your floor, so they don't sell it as that. If they did they could be prosecuted.
I suppose if you used miniscule amounts of it, to a lot of water you could, but the same could be said for any chemical product.
It is sold as a plant food to get round legislation in the UK, its also sold as an experimental research chemical. It gets round both food and drug laws by being hailed as a plant food, and not for human consumption.
Obviously the people who sell it will use the plant food claim to use the loopholes in the existing laws, do you honestly believe it is a plant food, if you do have a look on the net for any reputable gardening sites that advocate its use. Also next time you are in homebase have a look and see if its on the shelves there.
Source?
You cannot feed it to plants. You can, but it wont do anything. It has never been used in fertelizers for sale in legit gardening stores. It's like telling me you can use caffeine to remove stains.
Mephedrone is a stimulant and entactogen drug of the phenethylamine, amphetamine, and cathinone chemical family. It has no use whatsoever as anything but a drug.
Crossed wires, I'm ****e at wording, but you're completely missing the point. I know its used as a drug but the reason they sell it as plant food is because it can work as a plant food, otherwise selling it as plant food is pointless. Thats the way they're getting round the legislation for it, and it would be sold as something else e.g. poppers is sold as room odouriser because theres nothing else they can sell it as.
I suppose if you used miniscule amounts of it, to a lot of water you could, but the same could be said for any chemical product.
It is sold as a plant food to get round legislation in the UK, its also sold as an experimental research chemical. It gets round both food and drug laws by being hailed as a plant food, and not for human consumption.
Obviously the people who sell it will use the plant food claim to use the loopholes in the existing laws, do you honestly believe it is a plant food, if you do have a look on the net for any reputable gardening sites that advocate its use. Also next time you are in homebase have a look and see if its on the shelves there.
Thats exactly what I'm trying to say- but if it couldn't work on plants then it is illegal to sell it as plant food, making the whole exercise pointless.
No, I am not getting anything wrong. You are. It cannot be used as plant food. That's a fact. It has no application whatsoever other than as a drug for human consumption.
Have you found a source yet?
Shasown
18-03-2010, 06:25 PM
Thats exactly what I'm trying to say- but if it couldn't work on plants then it is illegal to sell it as plant food, making the whole exercise pointless.
Whilst it might be illegal under the trade descriptions act, who is going to complain, real gardening shops dont stock it, they dont sell it so no real gardener gets it. So there are no complaints about it. Besides by the time the Trading Standards people get their finger out and attempt to bring a prosecution it will have been banned under the Misuse of Drugs Act. There is no regulatory body as such for plant foods. Some substances have been banned under Health and Safety rules, like COSHH.
It could eventually be banned under COSHH regulations but again that would take a few years, more than enough time for the Labs that make the stuff to modify it and produce a new similar legal high.
Imagine if some teen got caught with it by his dad who is a gardener, he says "its plant food dad", His dad probably wont test it, just chuck it, even if he does try it and it has no effect on the plants, whats he going to do?
There are lots of different food stuffs and plant food available for gardeners, some work most of the time some only work in certain areas, some like home made recipes for leeks will only work in certain soils etc. however thats not to say they cant be claimed to be the best plant food ever.
arista
18-03-2010, 06:27 PM
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133158&page=2
Yes it is Deadly most made in Corrupt China.
And now another Death confirmed from the Meth Legal Drug.
It's not methamphetamine ...
No, I am not getting anything wrong. You are. It cannot be used as plant food. That's a fact. It has no application whatsoever other than as a drug for human consumption.
Have you found a source yet?
It was mentioned on the news.
Have you got a source to say it can't be used?
Yes. Pharmacological common sense. Besides which it's not up to me to prove a negative. Mentioned on the news is not a source. Virtually all the media outlets seem to think it's plant feeder. It's not. It would not be the first time the media got drugs wrong.
Plants do not need methylmethcathinone. They have no dopamine receptors. Mephedrone synthesis is done with the aim of activating these receptors to induce euphoria, alterness and empathy. Plants cannot be euphoric, alert or emphatic. It will do absoloutely nothing for a plant. Nothing.
It's not plant food. It's just not. It has no working mechanism that makes it viable as a source of nutrients for plants. 'Hearing it on the news' is not an argument to fall back on.
I'm sure you'd be falling back on the argument if you heard it can't be used as plant food. Common sense isn't a black and white source either.
Common sense, experience of use, industry knowledge and pharmacological facts are not viable sources but hearing something on da newz is?
Let go of those straws for christ sake. It cannot be used as plant food.
Common sense, experience of use, industry knowledge and pharmacological facts are not viable sources but hearing something on da newz is?
Let go of those straws for christ sake. It cannot be used as plant food.
You ought to let go on your own straws then.
Common sense doesn't always stand for proof, and in the case of this its not in your favour anyway. 'If it looks like a duck, then its a duck' springs to mind
Is your experience taking the drug or attempting to use it as plant feed? You've denied taking it, and I doubt you've made any attempt to use it on plants
Industry knowledge is always refutable.
What pharmacological facts?
Do you have any black and white proof?
Shasown
18-03-2010, 07:22 PM
You ought to let go on your own straws then.
Common sense doesn't always stand for proof, and in the case of this its not in your favour anyway. 'If it looks like a duck, then its a duck' springs to mind
Is your experience taking the drug or attempting to use it as plant feed? You've denied taking it, and I doubt you've made any attempt to use it on plants
Industry knowledge is always refutable.
What pharmacological facts?
Do you have any black and white proof?
Type in mephedrone into google and find one reputable source for its use as plant food, not just some site selling it claiming it to be plant food. Most of which incidentally also sell other legal highs under various other disguises.
Find one gardening site that advocates its use.
You wont, because its a ploy by the manufacturers to get round drugs laws and food laws, the gardening Industry does not have a regulatory body, therefore anyone can call anything plant food, Health and Safety and COSHH govern removals from sale.
The duck you are talking about doesnt quack nor does it float on water in fact its a yellow brick, sorry to burst your balloon.
You ought to let go on your own straws then.
Common sense doesn't always stand for proof, and in the case of this its not in your favour anyway. 'If it looks like a duck, then its a duck' springs to mind
Is your experience taking the drug or attempting to use it as plant feed? You've denied taking it, and I doubt you've made any attempt to use it on plants
Industry knowledge is always refutable.
What pharmacological facts?
Do you have any black and white proof?
My experience is seeing others use it, as well as knowing people who work in head shops and who deal in research chemicals.
I have already given you pharmacological facts. The drug is classed as a stimulant of the human central nervous system. It's synthesis involves adding 4-methylpropiophenone to bromine, a lot of tinkering I won't bore you with, and adding methylamine hydrochloride and triethylamine. From the ground up it's synthesis is intended to produce a drug of the phenethylamine, amphetamine, and cathinone variety.
It is a drug that targets the brains neurotransmitter Dopmine. That's what it was designed for. Plants don't have dopamine receptors or neurotransmitters, or any possible faculty that Mephedrone could attack in order to stimulate it's growth.
In addition, Mephedrone is not contained in any true plant product. Mephedrone is not sold in any legit gardening store. A search for Mephedrone on Google delivers 1,200,000 results. None discussing it's virtues as plant feeder. If it's discussed on a forum, it's a drug forum. Not a gardening forum. Wikipedia mentions nothing of it ever being used as a plant growth accelerant. Nor does Drugs Forum. Nor does Erowid. Nor does any other trusted drug website.
In addition, it's simply not up to me to prove a negative. It's like me asking you for proof that chopping up a carrot, feeding it to your dog, collecting the **** and smearing it on your face won't prevent lung cancer. If the onus is anyone to deliver proof, it's you.
So far, as accomodating as I have been with my arguments, you have not returned the favour. Your only source is watching a nameless news broadcast. The same news channel that was misguided just like you were as to the correct application of Mephedrone. It would be far from the first time a news channel has gotten the wrong end of the stick with relation to legal highs.
Mephedrone is a young chemical, synthesized by cladestine chemists with the sole purpose of getting you high. If it were to be used as plant food primarily, with the additional possible benefit of being able to use it as a psychotropic drug, it would be for sale in gardening stores. People would use it to accelerate plant growth. It would be produced by legit, contactable companies who would feel no need to work in such a cloak and dagger fashion. But none of this is the case.
Why? Because Mephedrone cannot be used as ****ing plant food.
xDramatick
18-03-2010, 08:12 PM
Eh, personally I don't do anything so no, I haven't, but I know a lot of people who have.
Using long words to make yourself sound credible and talking about watching your mates use it doesn't mean you're point is any more valid. Its nothing to do with the point, its like saying toothpaste gets rid of spots then going on about the benefits of using it on your teeth. For all I know what you're saying is mere opinion, and if you're going to make a point (whether being asked to prove a negative or not) then at least have the proof to back it up. Wikipedia doesn't count, nor do the little nuggets of information you give without a reputable source. If you expect others to provide one, then at least provide them yourself. My proof might just be based on an ill informed news item, but at least its something reputable to back up what I've said even if it is wrong.
Using long words to make yourself sound credible and talking about watching your mates use it doesn't mean you're point is any more valid. For all I know what you're saying is mere opinion, and if you're going to make a point (whether being asked to prove a negative or not) then at least have the proof to back it up. Wikipedia doesn't count, nor do the little nuggets of information you give without a reputable source. If you expect others to provide one, then at least provide them yourself. My proof might just be based on an ill informed news item, but at least its something reputable to back up what I've said even if it is wrong.
Using long words? I gave you a list of chemicals because it's what you asked for. You know ... the chemicals that have no application whatsoever as plant feeder. Wikipedia certainly counts as the Mephedrone article is verifiably correct and sourced. Or do you think me or the folks at Wikipedia are making up chemicals from thin air purely to piss you off? Get a grip. Your proof is based on an ill informed news item. It's not a question of 'might be'. I have things to fall back on. You have nothing to fall back on. Nothing. You didn't even respond to 90% of my post yet you want me to respect your arrogant opinion based on facts that don't exist? Just give up. Mephedrone is not plant feeder.
The onus is not on me to prove a negative. Give me one single shred of evidence to suggest that Mephedrone posesses qualities as plant growth catalyst. Just one. I dare you. Your still demanding endless evidence off me yet you feel no need to return the favour? Are you well in the head? I give you a post too long for it's own good containing scientific fact and common sense logic about the nature of the Mephedrone business and you completely ignore it in favour of this ****ing sewage I'm quoting?
Using long words? I gave you a list of chemicals because it's what you asked for. You know ... the chemicals that have no application whatsoever as plant feeder. Wikipedia certainly counts as the Mephedrone article is verifiably correct and sourced. Or do you think me or the folks at Wikipedia are making up chemicals from thin air purely to piss you off? Get a grip. Your proof is based on an ill informed news item. It's not a question of 'might be'. I have things to fall back on. You have nothing to fall back on. Nothing. You didn't even respond to 90% of my post yet you want me to respect your arrogant opinion based on facts that don't exist? Just give up. Mephedrone is not plant feeder.
The onus is not on me to prove a negative. Give me one single shred of evidence to suggest that Mephedrone posesses qualities as plant growth catalyst. Just one. I dare you.
I didn't respond to most of the post because it was irrelevant. You were going on about what it does to the mind which is completely off the topic and if you're going to ask for sources to back up other peoples points, then at least give proper evidence for your own otherwise its sheer double standards.
I didn't respond to most of the post because it was irrelevant. You were going on about what it does to the mind which is completely off the topic and if you're going to ask for sources to back up other peoples points, then at least give proper evidence for your own otherwise its sheer double standards.
No, it was not off the point. It was proof that Mephedrone was synthesized from the ground up to be a psychotropic stimulant in human brains. The chemicals in Mephedrone are activators of areas a plant does not have. It's just a fact. Mephedrone is an amphetamine. That's all it is. Every chemical in it screams amphetamine. Why the **** would plants need Amphetamines?
THINK.
because all that standing up makes them tired and lethargic? I dunno
I dunno
Thanks. It took us awhile but we got there in the end.
sooty
18-03-2010, 09:59 PM
Hello Joe.
I have never heard of this meow meow before.
This name insults cats.
What is the tragedy. I feel sorry for their parents,,,.
dirtyvileHARRYuk
19-03-2010, 07:15 AM
hello baby sooty < hows you ? the name insults all of us as they have given it a harmless name to promote it and make it glamourous.
anyway < have a loverly day <
Claymores
19-03-2010, 07:21 AM
34 people die every day from either alcohol or in a road accident.
Fact No 47 from the LT book of facts - so you know it must be true
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