Ban smoking in all vehicles, doctors demand

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8583551.stm

Smoking should be banned in all cars as well as in public places where young people congregate, doctors are urging.

The Royal College of Physicians wants England's imminent review of anti-smoking laws to consider such measures to protect the young.

It says passive smoking results in 300,000 extra child visits to GPs in the UK every year for problems such as asthma and bacterial meningitis.

But driving and smoking lobby groups (big tobacco companies) say cars are a "private space".

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This makes perfect sense and it is a horrible thing to do in a car and totally greedy and unnecessary

[rapunza1977]

yukkkkkkkkkkkkkk nothing worse coming in to work in the morning, turning to your right and there is some haggered looking aul bord puffing away in her car! Nice and fresh for going into work

yuk yuk yuk

would never enter anyones car who smoked. I kicked off in a cab once when the guy puffing away - he moaned it was his right his car - I said not this is a public taxi service, you run this as a business so you should refrain from smoking - vile vile vile

[teamandre]

i think that as long as you dont have kids or other people in the car then its your own choice personally it a dirty habbit

[Niamh.]

Fair enough in Taxis and that but don't tell me I can't smoke in my own privatly owned car thank you very much!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fair enough in Taxis and that but don't tell me I can't smoke in my own privatly owned car thank you very much!

You cant

and you can let two ugly gay blokes sleep there either


so thats you told

[lily.]

I'm with you Niamh.

I don't smoke - gave up 6 years ago - but I think this is taking things too far. What will be next? You can't smoke in your own house?

The Nanny State strikes again.

[Tom]

Ban it if there are kids in the car. Otherwise just leave it

The fumes are 3000 times more toxic in a car because of such a small space.

[Niamh.]

Ban it if there are kids in the car. Otherwise just leave it

The fumes are 3000 times more toxic in a car because of such a small space.

I don't smoke with my kids in the car but most of the time they're not in the car with me.

[Niamh.]

You cant

and you can let two ugly gay blokes sleep there either


so thats you told

:tongue:

[Niamh.]

I'm with you Niamh.

I don't smoke - gave up 6 years ago - but I think this is taking things too far. What will be next? You can't smoke in your own house?

The Nanny State strikes again.

Our freedom of choice seems to be slipping away right before our eyes

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm with you Niamh.

I don't smoke - gave up 6 years ago - but I think this is taking things too far. What will be next? You can't smoke in your own house?

The Nanny State strikes again.

I know, stropping people getting cancer and dying is just TOO much

[Niamh.]

I know, stropping people getting cancer and dying is just TOO much

It called free will LT, drinking can cause diseases they should ban that too, chocolate can cause obesity lets ban that aswell

[setanta]

If they want to smoke their brains out in their own car let them, provided of course that they're on their own. As for the health issues, I'm sure that they'll have paid for any medical care they may need later on in life through the huge taxes that governments place on tobacco.

[setanta]

If there isn't a blanket ban in force - how do they stop people smoking with children or unconsenting adults in the car - who can't or don't like to say anything?

Well, they could introduce a confidential phoneline for people to ring if they see anyone breaking that law, like they do in the States with regard to the carpool lanes. Another deterrent anyway and sure there's so many cameras pointed on the roads nowadays that it would be hard to have a puff without them spotting you.

[Niamh.]

Although I agree in theory that people should be allowed to smoke in their own cars - unfortunately it isn't that black and white!

Not that up on the smoking laws, so not fully aware of what it covers - but although many parents wouldn't smoke with their children in the car - many would! Children need to be protected from those parents! Information and education is always the best way to promote such issues - but sometimes enforcement may be the only way!

If there isn't a blanket ban in force - how do they stop people smoking with children or unconsenting adults in the car - who can't or don't like to say anything?

A ban on smoking with children in the car fine. But telling me I can't smoke in my car that I paid for is just not on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It called free will LT, drinking can cause diseases they should ban that too, chocolate can cause obesity lets ban that aswell

they do not equate as only excessive consumption of both cause that and they have no side effects to others in moderate consumption

[Niamh.]

they do not equate as only excessive consumption of both cause that and they have no side effects to others in moderate consumption

Because some people choose to eat/drink in moderation, it's all about choices that I don't want taken away from me.

[Tom]

A ban on smoking with children in the car fine. But telling me I can't smoke in my car that I paid for is just not on.

Exactly. If people don't like it then wind the window down and shut up.

Personally I don't let anyone smoke in my car and thats my choice- its the decision of the driver, not the passengers. If they don't like it then either wind the window down and shut up or get out and find another way to travel.

Fair enough if its kids, but adults? Nah.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because some people choose to eat/drink in moderation, it's all about choices that I don't want taken away from me.

why was the choice of using heroin or cocaine taken away from you?

[Shasown]

Yeah I think they should put a blanket ban on smoking in cars, however in return for this I think that the hard shoulder of all motorways should be declared a designating smoking area. All roads should have smokers stops just like bus stops that can only be used by smokers. And because of the amount of money raised by the taxes on tobacco, the NHS should have a two tier system whereby smokers receive higher priority for all treatment.

[Shasown]

why was the choice of using heroin or cocaine taken away from you?

Because government has yet to find a way to control and tax imports of those substances.

[Niamh.]

why was the choice of using heroin or cocaine taken away from you?

It's not really, I'm sure I could get either If I looked!

[Twilight]

They are taking to far now, whats next you can't smoke in your own house?
My mum will not be happy, and she smokes in the car, but she has the window open fully.

[Tom4784]

Fair enough in Taxis and that but don't tell me I can't smoke in my own privatly owned car thank you very much!

I agree with this, I don't smoke but it's ridiculous to try to stop people smoking in their own cars.

[bananarama]

I agree a ban in the car where passengers are involved but otherwise if a solitary person wants to smoke them selves to death......That's their stupid choice.......However in practice enforcing a ban would be as good as impossible........So whats the point!!!!!!!!!!!

[Niamh.]

I agree a ban in the car where passengers are involved but otherwise if a solitary person wants to smoke them selves to death......That's their stupid choice.......However in practice enforcing a ban would be as good as impossible........So whats the point!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, see I don't get why people want to force other people to not smoke in their own cars? What difference does it make to anyone else If I smoke in my car? Yes, I know it's bad for me but why is that anyones elses business?

[bananarama]

Yeah, see I don't get why people want to force other people to not smoke in their own cars? What difference does it make to anyone else If I smoke in my car? Yes, I know it's bad for me but why is that anyones elses business?

Its called nanny state. Those that do not value their health the state sees fit to try and force them to value their health..........Unenforcable of course.......There is a wider debate however.......those damaging their health do put a strain on the health service costs in the long run so there is method in the madness of nanny state mentality........

Also smokers have no regard for their partners and children if the shoud become ill or die as a result of an avoidable bad rather selfish habit.......

[Niamh.]

Its called nanny state. Those that do not value their health the state sees fit to try and force them to value their health..........Unenforcable of course.......There is a wider debate however.......those damaging their health do put a strain on the health service costs in the long run so there is method in the madness of nanny state mentality........

Also smokers have no regard for their partners and children if the shoud become ill or die as a result of an avoidable bad rather selfish habit.......

Well, the costing the state bit I disagree with, I think I more than pay my share on the huge taxes put on cigarettes!

And yes, I see where you're coming from with the last comment but it is not done out of selfishness or disregard for my children or husband thank you very much, I was already addicted before I had either.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Fair enough in Taxis and that but don't tell me I can't smoke in my own privatly owned car thank you very much!

Here here

[Shasown]

Its called nanny state. Those that do not value their health the state sees fit to try and force them to value their health..........Unenforcable of course.......There is a wider debate however.......those damaging their health do put a strain on the health service costs in the long run so there is method in the madness of nanny state mentality........

Also smokers have no regard for their partners and children if the shoud become ill or die as a result of an avoidable bad rather selfish habit.......

Of course the fact that lots smokers get lung cancer and die relatively quickly due to the fast acting nature of lung cancer, without receiving a lot of expensive treatment, from the NHS which has in turn received lots of money via the tax on tobacco from them. Also insurance premiums etc are more expensive for smokers, there is also the element of tax on that. Smokers and smoking takes out a lot less than it puts into the state.

Its not so much smokers, its doctors calling for the ban, smoking is an easy target, after all they would just be ignored if they called for more effective catalytic converters on all vehicles or even more effective emission control on aircraft, two factors that have been proven to have a greater direct effect on childhood asthma. - Jobs for the boys.

[bananarama]

Well, the costing the state bit I disagree with, I think I more than pay my share on the huge taxes put on cigarettes!

And yes, I see where you're coming from with the last comment but it is not done out of selfishness or disregard for my children or husband thank you very much, I was already addicted before I had either.


The taxes on cigarettes would go no where to cover the cost of treating cancer and heart disease so that is I am afraid a smoker in denial of the habit and its consequences.........Smoking is an addiction that can be broken if not for yourself you should not be selfish about the consequences to your wife and children if they have to face the possibility of watching a slow lingering death due to smoking..........Their mental well being is being ignored is it not...!!!!!!

[Twilight]

Also smokers have no regard for their partners and children if the shoud become ill or die as a result of an avoidable bad rather selfish habit.......

You bastard, my mum cares about me and all my family, so get that stupid idea outta your head:/

[Shasown]

The taxes on cigarettes would go no where to cover the cost of treating cancer and heart disease so that is I am afraid a smoker in denial of the habit and its consequences.........Smoking is an addiction that can be broken if not for yourself you should not be selfish about the consequences to your wife and children if they have to face the possibility of watching a slow lingering death due to smoking..........Their mental well being is being ignored is it not...!!!!!!

What complete and utter garbage, lung canver is very fast and invasive as is liver and stomach cancers in most cases. So the smoker stops before any of that develops and then lasts into his or her 80's or even longer, the burden on the state then increases astronomically, not only in health care terms but also in the other little things the state pays for, you know things like an old age pension, concessionary fares etc etc.

If it did cost so much more to the state, this labour government would have banned smoking completely well before now.

[Niamh.]

The taxes on cigarettes would go no where to cover the cost of treating cancer and heart disease so that is I am afraid a smoker in denial of the habit and its consequences.........Smoking is an addiction that can be broken if not for yourself you should not be selfish about the consequences to your wife and children if they have to face the possibility of watching a slow lingering death due to smoking..........Their mental well being is being ignored is it not...!!!!!!

First of all I do not have a wife I have a husband as I am female.

Secondly I still beg to differ on your theory about how much tax I've already paid and will continue to pay on the price of cigarettes.

Thirdly how dare you accuse me of not caring about my family.

[Niamh.]

currently tax on cigarettes in Ireland is 61.3% which is €5.21 per pack that I buy, I smoke 1 pack a day over 52 weeks over 15 years, so so far I've paid around €28446

[30stone]

I hate when people smoke in cars, especially if im in it, it really bugs me.

Thing is these ******* that smoke in there car look found for their cigarettes put the lighter to the end of it..

Pay attention to the bloody road, almost crashed into someone lighting a cigarettes whilst driving, morons.

[bananarama]

What complete and utter garbage, lung canver is very fast and invasive as is liver and stomach cancers in most cases. So the smoker stops before any of that develops and then lasts into his or her 80's or even longer, the burden on the state then increases astronomically, not only in health care terms but also in the other little things the state pays for, you know things like an old age pension, concessionary fares etc etc.

If it did cost so much more to the state, this labour government would have banned smoking completely well before now.

That my friend is complete garbage.. Not all cancers are fast.......Wishfull thinking for those in denial......Get on with it kill yourselves........Smokers are to selfish and weak addicts to care about their relatives .....

[bananarama]

You bastard, my mum cares about me and all my family, so get that stupid idea outta your head:/


Ok get angry..Thats what happens when a nerve has been touched.......Anger based on your guilt for not caring enough to stop the ridoiculous habit of walking about like a bloody chimny pot......

[Twilight]

Ok get angry..Thats what happens when a nerve has been touched.......Anger based on your guilt for not caring enough to stop the ridoiculous habit of walking about like a bloody chimny pot......

I don't smoke?

[30stone]

You bastard, my mum cares about me and all my family, so get that stupid idea outta your head:/

Don't insult other members.

To an extent i agree with bananarama to.

[Iceman]

That my friend is complete garbage.. Not all cancers are fast.......Wishfull thinking for those in denial......Get on with it kill yourselves........Smokers are to selfish and weak addicts to care about their relatives .....

yeah point being im a selfish ****? i blow smoke in peoples faces all day long......:bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling:

[Niamh.]

I hate when people smoke in cars, especially if im in it, it really bugs me.

Thing is these ******* that smoke in there car look found for their cigarettes put the lighter to the end of it..

Pay attention to the bloody road, almost crashed into someone lighting a cigarettes whilst driving, morons.

Are you calling me a ******???? I am quite capable of driving my car without crashing whilst looking for a lighter Ben!

[Niamh.]

Don't insult other members.

To an extent i agree with bananarama to.

I think you'll find banararama started the insulting other members first

[Ramsay]

Fair enough in Taxis and that but don't tell me I can't smoke in my own privatly owned car thank you very much!

this

[Shasown]

That my friend is complete garbage.. Not all cancers are fast.......Wishfull thinking for those in denial......Get on with it kill yourselves........Smokers are to selfish and weak addicts to care about their relatives .....

No it isnt, the vast majority of cancers claimed to be caused by smoking like lung cancer etc are relatively fast acting, by the time the patient is diagnosed its more often than not too late for any effective treatment.

I dont smoke but I am not fascist enough to inflict my wishes on those who want to. I agree with the ban on smoking in enclosed spaces wherever there are or even likely to be non smokers however I fail to see how a ban on smoking in cars where children are transported can be enforced without a complete on smoking in any vehicles. Because then the government are removing a freedom from smokers who would never have kids in the car anyway, what measures are going to be introduced to compensate for this? Smokers only pulling places on all roads? Guaranteed smokers only car parking areas?

And you still havent accepted that the only reason the Government doesnt ban it outright is because it brings into Treasury coffers more revenue than it costs. If it created a negative costing to the Health Service the government would have not only a moral duty of care but a fiscal duty to ban it outright, however its a nice little earner.

[Enid]

A bus driver started smoking once. There were babies and children on that bus, yet he thought it would be okay for him to light up while we were waiting in a traffic jam. Needless to say, he got an ear full.

[Niamh.]

A bus driver started smoking once. There were babies and children on that bus, yet he thought it would be okay for him to light up while we were waiting in a traffic jam. Needless to say, he got an ear full.

That's illegal, well it is here anyway

[Ramsay]

yeah well its bad if you light up in a bus or taxi
but in your OWN car ..smoke all ya like

[30stone]

Are you calling me a ******???? I am quite capable of driving my car without crashing whilst looking for a lighter Ben!

Most people arent its like talking on a phone or a girl wearing make up.

Most of us can ( i only talk on the phone )..

But some cant hence why i get some guy almost going into me because hes lighting a cigarette.

[Twilight]

Oh yeah so using the phone is fine right:/ just wait until you end up in a car crash.

[30stone]

Oh yeah so using the phone is fine right:/ just wait until you end up in a car crash.

Thats what im saying!!!!

If phoning someone is banned in cars..
Then so should smoking and applying make up as all 3..

Make people take their eyes off the road and concentrate on something else..

And thanks twilight.

[Scarlett.]

I know! Why doesnt the government tell us our bedtime too? Obviously we cant think for ourselves

[Shaun]

And how exactly does this get enforced?

[Captain.Remy]

I smoke in my own car, people who don't like it don't come in. Simple, I don't force anyone. And I always ask if I can smoke if I ever get in someone's car (except for my dad and friends because they're smokers too)

[lily.]

I know, stropping people getting cancer and dying is just TOO much


Yes, because it's just that simple isn't it...

We're not all clean-living, god-fearing, Ned Flanders wannabe's LT. Some of us like to make our own choices, and that includes the choices which affect our own health and well-being. I, personally, do not subject my children to any unnecessary health risks, nor do I smoke for that matter. I'm well aware of the dangers of smoking, and I still support the right of adults to smoke in their own car or their own home. If I didn't want to be subjected to second hand smoke, I'd not get in their car. Simple as that.

It's not quite as black/white as you make it out to be, so, do me a favour, and don't patronise me.