Cameron backs abortion limit cut

[Shasown]

Conservative leader David Cameron has said that the time-limit for abortions should be cut to "20 or 22 weeks", in an interview with a Roman Catholic newspaper.

Mr Cameron backed a cut to 22 weeks in 2008, when the House of Commons voted to keep the existing maximum of 24 weeks.

But he indicated that he might be willing to go further when he told the Catholic Herald that a new review was now needed.

"My own view is that we do need to review the abortion limit. I think that the way medical science and technology have developed in the past few decades does mean that an upper limit of 20 or 22 weeks would be sensible," said Mr Cameron.

He indicated that Conservative MPs would be allowed a free vote on the question, as is normal with issues of conscience.

Mr Cameron also warned against legalising assisted suicide, saying: "My personal view is that if assisted dying is legalised, there is a danger that terminally ill people may feel pressurised into ending their lives if they feel they've become a burden on loved ones."


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100408/tuk-cameron-backs-abortion-limit-cut-6323e80.html

Call me cynical but is Big Dave trying to swing a catholic vote?

[Princess]

It's 24 weeks??? That's vile,babies can be born and survive at 24 weeks.

[Tom4784]

He'll whistle any tune to get votes.

[arista]

"He'll whistle any tune to get votes. "

As Does One Eyed Scottish Brown our UnElected PM at this time.

[Tom4784]

"He'll whistle any tune to get votes. "

As Does One Eyed Scottish Brown our UnElected PM at this time.

'Better the Devil we know'

The Conservatives will only benefit the richer demographics as they always have. Brown's sh*t but he's a better prospect then the tories.

[BB_Eye]

So predictable

As soon as the election gets underway, out comes the real Cameron.

[rapunza1977]

I did not realise you could have an abortion up to 24 weeks :( oh my god :(

[rapunza1977]

'Better the Devil we know'

The Conservatives will only benefit the richer demographics as they always have. Brown's sh*t but he's a better prospect then the tories.


what he said!

[WOMBAI]

I did not realise you could have an abortion up to 24 weeks :( oh my god :(

24 weeks is too late! It should be lowered - although not entirely sure how much!

[DrunkerThanMoses]

As someone said its to try and get votes from anti-abortion people and catholics.

[pinkmichk]

well given that the baby has a heart beat from around 6 weeks it is actually a life i dont agree with abortions personally so would love to see it lowered or gone completely i have a friend whos first daughter was born at 27 weeks and is now a thriving almost 6 year old i also know of a 25 weeker who has survived too

[WOMBAI]

well given that the baby has a heart beat from around 6 weeks it is actually a life i dont agree with abortions personally so would love to see it lowered or gone completely i have a friend whos first daughter was born at 27 weeks and is now a thriving almost 6 year old i also know of a 25 weeker who has survived too

It can't be got rid off completely - however upsetting some may find the idea! Noone has the right to force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want!

[Shaun]

Well this, and the fact he's voted against gay adoption every time it was raised before being thankfully allowed, signals me to believe that he - and perhaps the Conservative Party - aren't as 'neo' as they'd like us to believe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It can't be got rid off completely - however upsetting some may find the idea! Noone has the right to force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want!

perhaps she waved that option when she got pregnant, after all we all know how it happens

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well this, and the fact he's voted against gay adoption every time it was raised before being thankfully allowed, signals me to believe that he - and perhaps the Conservative Party - aren't as 'neo' as they'd like us to believe.

The Conservatives are far from progressive it goes against everything they stand for

[WOMBAI]

perhaps she waved that option when she got pregnant, after all we all know how it happens

Mistakes happen - young girls who are niave are often pressured into sex by boyfriends - lots of different reasons - doesn't mean they should pay for it for the rest of their lives! Not to mention risk their lives as noone ever knows what complications may arise during the birth - there is always a risk!

It is called forcing your opinions on others - just because you don't believe in it - doesn't mean you have the right to force your opinion on others!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mistakes happen - young girls who are niave are often pressured into sex by boyfriends - lots of different reasons - doesn't mean they should pay for it for the rest of their lives! Not to mention risk their lives as noone ever knows what complications may arise during the birth - there is always a risk!

It is called forcing your opinions on others - just because you don't believe in it - doesn't mean you have the right to force your opinion on others!

either you value human life above convenience or you do not

[Niamh.]

Personnally I would never have an abortion, that been said I've never been raped so don't know what I would feel about it then, also I wouldn't say I'm right about it either just my own personnal feelings. However, 24 weeks is so wrong in my view, a baby could actually survive if born at 24 weeks so this has to be seen as murder, surely?

[WOMBAI]

either you value human life above convenience or you do not

What a 'laying a guilt trip' comment that is - if only life were that simple! Words are cheap - they mean nothing unless put to the test! Who are you or anyone else to decide what choice someone else has in a situation like that!

Maybe abandoning your children and taking no responsibility in their lives - should be made a criminal offence - might make many men think before pulling their trousers down! It takes two!

[Tom4784]

Mistakes happen - young girls who are niave are often pressured into sex by boyfriends - lots of different reasons - doesn't mean they should pay for it for the rest of their lives! Not to mention risk their lives as noone ever knows what complications may arise during the birth - there is always a risk!

It is called forcing your opinions on others - just because you don't believe in it - doesn't mean you have the right to force your opinion on others!

It doesn#t happen often Wombai but I agree with you completely here.

[Shasown]

What a 'laying a guilt trip' comment that is - if only life were that simple! Words are cheap - they mean nothing unless put to the test! Who are you or anyone else to decide what choice someone else has in a situation like that!

I think its easy to sit on one side or the other of the debate and fail to see the other sides point of view, at what date would you suggest the life inside the female becomes a life and is worthy of legal protection?

Maybe abandoning your children and taking no responsibility in their lives - should be made a criminal offence - might make many men think before pulling their trousers down! It takes two!

And we all know that women are all angels and its always the man's fault. Though what denial of parental responsibilities has to do with a debate on Cameron wanting to lower the time limit on abortion is beyond me or is it just another chance to have a pop at men, to hijack a thread and make another stand for feminism and against the evil of all men?

[BB_Eye]

24 weeks is too late! It should be lowered - although not entirely sure how much!

What's so bad about 24 weeks? An unborn foetus is neither conscious nor self-aware.

Seriously, the easier it is for as many people as possible to have access to an abortion doctor the better. If they had done this twenty years ago, the streets might not be as infested as it is with violent criminals from broken homes.

[Shasown]

What's so bad about 24 weeks? An unborn foetus is neither conscious nor self-aware.

Seriously, the easier it is for as many people as possible to have access to an abortion doctor the better. If they had done this twenty years ago, the streets might not be as infested as it is with violent criminals from broken homes.

I think that abortions at 24 weeks offend peoples sensibilities, given that a high proportion of premature babies delivered at 22 weeks are now surviving. So some people now consider it to be tantamount to infanticide. Again a case of the easily offend moral minority trying to force limitations on the rights and freedoms of others.

Funnily enough the abortion limit at 24 weeks was set in 1990 - twenty years ago as an amendment to the 1967 Abortion Act.

The main point being that social abortion (- abortion simply because the woman doesnt want a child)doesnt really occur after about 19 weeks. And abortion after 24 weeks on medical grounds is still legal. When the foetus has abnormalities there is no limit on the time of abortion

[WOMBAI]

I think its easy to sit on one side or the other of the debate and fail to see the other sides point of view, at what date would you suggest the life inside the female becomes a life and is worthy of legal protection?



And we all know that women are all angels and its always the man's fault. Though what denial of parental responsibilities has to do with a debate on Cameron wanting to lower the time limit on abortion is beyond me or is it just another chance to have a pop at men, to hijack a thread and make another stand for feminism and against the evil of all men?

Firstly - I believe 24 weeks is too late, as I have already stated in this thread, although I am not altogether sure what would be an appropriate date!

Secondly - when did I ever say women were angels - they clearly aren't!

Thirdly - my comments were a response to a poster whose comments implied that young women getting pregnant was all young womens' fault! I said it takes two - as it clearly does! If I went off track a bit, as many often do, it was not an intended attempt to 'hijack' a thread as you clearly implied!

Like many, abortion is something I have strong opinions on as is the fact that it is not just a female 'problem' and if some want to legislate and force women to have babies then there should also be legislation in place that makes the men involved take their share of responsibility - and not just put it all on the women as is often the case! That is not about making a stand for feminism against the 'evil of all men' - which sounds to me like a bandwagon you are jumping on!

[Crimson Dynamo]

What's so bad about 24 weeks? An unborn foetus is neither conscious nor self-aware.

Seriously, the easier it is for as many people as possible to have access to an abortion doctor the better. If they had done this twenty years ago, the streets might not be as infested as it is with violent criminals from broken homes.

yes lets just exterminate the people who we dont like and keep all the good ones....

and the first point is not valid as we do not know that at all. what we know is only what we know now, and we ALL know how unreliable that is over time..

[MrGaryy]

The thought of doing away with abortion is a very scary thought imo, I'm very pro choice about the matter, I believe it is essential to exist for various scenarios.

and I hate Cameron anyway.

[Angus]

'Better the Devil we know'

The Conservatives will only benefit the richer demographics as they always have. Brown's sh*t but he's a better prospect then the tories.

At least the Conservatives will reclaim our open borders and put the brakes on immigration which is now out of control. The Labour Party have no idea how many illegals are in this country, but they're alright Jack since they'll all be able to leave this country when England is finally bankrupted and sinks without trace due to sheer weight of numbers.

How anyone can say that Labour giving handouts to allcomers who have not paid a penny into the system is economically viable or fair and just to the poor, beleagured taxpayer in this country beggars belief. Yet there will still be idiots who want to vote that bunch of war criminals back into power. You don't see many of the Labour MPs' sons and daughters going off to Iraq or Afghanistan do you?

[Patrick]

It can't be got rid off completely - however upsetting some may find the idea! Noone has the right to force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want!

Her own fault init.

Tough luck.

[Niamh.]

The thought of doing away with abortion is a very scary thought imo, I'm very pro choice about the matter, I believe it is essential to exist for various scenarios.

and I hate Cameron anyway.

But he's not talking about doing away with abortion just changing the cut off limit, 24 weeks is too late imo too

[Patrick]

At least the Conservatives will reclaim our open borders and put the brakes on immigration which is now out of control. The Labour Party have no idea how many illegals are in this country, but they're alright Jack since they'll all be able to leave this country when England is finally bankrupted and sinks without trace due to sheer weight of numbers.



See this is why I like this David guy.

Apperantly he wants to cut down on Immigration and stop them from coming here?

Wicked.

[Angus]

Her own fault init.

Tough luck.

It takes two to tango, so it's not quite her own fault!

[Harry!]

I want Cameron or Clegg to win. I DO NOT WANT Brown to win at all!

Though this plan is silly though.

[Niamh.]

It takes two to tango, so it's not quite her own fault!

her fault/his fault but certainly not the babies fault!

[Angus]

her fault/his fault but certainly not the babies fault!

Absolutely right!

[Patrick]

her fault/his fault but certainly not the babies fault!

True.

[AndyJK]

He'll whistle any tune to get votes.

And the other parties wont?

[Shaun]

^to all the people saying 'her/his fault' - what about rape?

[Shasown]

^to all the people saying 'her/his fault' - what about rape?

Errr no thanks not just yet, am making tea. I can fit you in about 8 though, if thats ok?

[Tom4784]

At least the Conservatives will reclaim our open borders and put the brakes on immigration which is now out of control. The Labour Party have no idea how many illegals are in this country, but they're alright Jack since they'll all be able to leave this country when England is finally bankrupted and sinks without trace due to sheer weight of numbers.

How anyone can say that Labour giving handouts to allcomers who have not paid a penny into the system is economically viable or fair and just to the poor, beleagured taxpayer in this country beggars belief. Yet there will still be idiots who want to vote that bunch of war criminals back into power. You don't see many of the Labour MPs' sons and daughters going off to Iraq or Afghanistan do you?

Like the others he'll say anything to get into power, nothing will come of it though because like with all politicians it's just empty words. Anyone foolish enough to vote in a Tory will deserve what's coming to them when they drop the whole 'we care about the working class!' act as soon as they're elected. They care about the middle and upper classes, always have and always will.

All politicians are snakes but out of the current candidates Cameron is by far the worst.

And the other parties wont?

Yes because I specifically said in my posts that the other parties were perfect....oh wait....stop trying to put words in my mouth. All parties are as bad as each other but the tories are by far the worst.

[Shasown]

All parties are as bad as each other but the tories are by far the worst.

I see logic and you arent too well acquainted.

[Tom4784]

I see logic and you arent acquainted.

Same can be said for you and sense if you think any of them can be trusted.

[Shasown]

Same can be said for you and sense if you think any of them can be trusted.

PMSL Touche almost. nah nowhere near.

I would trust any person who bears the monica politician as far as I can throw a bull by its bollocks.

They can be trusted to make life more difficult, more expensive, more bureaucratic, and also to line their pockets at our expense.

You see when they retire they have index linked pensions which means inflation etc doesnt really affect them too much.

But then again I am failry cynical in general outlook, I used to be just bitter and twisted.

[Angus]

Like the others he'll say anything to get into power, nothing will come of it though because like with all politicians it's just empty words. Anyone foolish enough to vote in a Tory will deserve what's coming to them when they drop the whole 'we care about the working class!' act as soon as they're elected. They care about the middle and upper classes, always have and always will.

All politicians are snakes but out of the current candidates Cameron is by far the worst.



Yes because I specifically said in my posts that the other parties were perfect....oh wait....stop trying to put words in my mouth. All parties are as bad as each other but the tories are by far the worst.



The tories have always backed controlled immigration - so NO they are not all the same. As for caring about middle and upper classes, I suggest you look at the credentials of the labour mps, most of whom are what I would term upper middle class. and most of whom have been caught with their greedy little fingers in the national till.

As for telling lies, I suggest you look no further than the spin doctors of the Labour Party - everyone is still searching for these weapons of mass destruction they assured us were in Iraq, and as for their figures on immigration, they are a complete work of fiction. This lot have practically bankrupted this nation, yet their answer to all problems is simply to keep borrowing and throwing money around (often to the undeserving) as if it were confetti. Remember what it was like 13 years ago when England was still recognisable? Well what we have now is all down to the New Labour criminals. No spin, no lies, just the evidence all around us that can be seen by anyone with even half a brain.

AND YET there are morons out there still prepared to subject us all to another five years under the Labour jackboot.

[Tom4784]

PMSL Touche almost. nah nowhere near.

I would trust any person who bears the monica politician as far as I can throw a bull by its bollocks.

They can be trusted to make life more difficult, more expensive, more bureaucratic, and also to line their pockets at our expense.

You see when they retire they have index linked pensions which means inflation etc doesnt really affect them too much.

But then again I am failry cynical in general outlook, I used to be just bitter and twisted.

It's a terrible bunch really, but judging from some of his past actions and when the Tories were in charge they just aren't suited to helping the majority (none of them are, but moreso the Tories and Labour).

Plus he has a most punchable face. :joker:

So by default that leaves Nick Clegg, he can't do any worse then the other two surely? Unless he trips up and acidently presses the big red button. Either way this country's going down faster then a roofied teen.

I say stick Nick Clegg in charge and hope we get someone decent next time.

[Tom4784]

The tories have always backed controlled immigration - so NO they are not all the same. As for caring about middle and upper classes, I suggest you look at the credentials of the labour mps, most of whom are what I would term upper middle class. and most of whom have been caught with their greedy little fingers in the national till.

As for telling lies, I suggest you look no further than the spin doctors of the Labour Party - everyone is still searching for these weapons of mass destruction they assured us were in Iraq, and as for their figures on immigration, they are a complete work of fiction. This lot have practically bankrupted this nation, yet their answer to all problems is simply to keep borrowing and throwing money around (often to the undeserving) as if it were confetti. Remember what it was like 13 years ago when England was still recognisable? Well what we have now is all down to the New Labour criminals. No spin, no lies, just the evidence all around us that can be seen by anyone with even half a brain.

AND YET there are morons out there still prepared to subject us all to another five years under the Labour jackboot.

I'm not supporting Labour, I just don't trust Cameron as far as I can fly same goes for Brown but in the choice between the two I'd very begrudgingly vote Labour.

Like I said in the other post, they're all terrible but the Lib Dems haven't had chance to ***** it up like the other two have so let's give them a shot.

[Angus]

I'm not supporting Labour, I just don't trust Cameron as far as I can fly same goes for Brown but in the choice between the two I'd very begrudgingly vote Labour.

Like I said in the other post, they're all terrible but the Lib Dems haven't had chance to ***** it up like the other two have so let's give them a shot.

Trouble is, for most of us in the UK now, including the immigrants who are already here and established, we need to know that there are going to be the resources in society to cater for us all (i.e. housing, hospital beds and doctors, school places etc), so unfortunately the LibDems saying they will give amnesty to the alleged 1.5 million illegal immigrants which will then allow them to bring their entire families over here, is not the answer.

I suggest you do some research into Clegg - you will find he is ten times posher and more privileged than Cameron could ever dream of being. He loves to present himself as a man of the people whereas he is hugely privileged with a background that includes a 10 bedroom chateau, a 26 room skiing chalet and a family of bankers and aristocrats - a typical old Etonian, and another selfish d*ckhead who doesn't have to face the daily competion for resources we all now have to face with an ever increasing population- most of whom have never paid a penny into the system. He is probably the richest and most privileged of all of them, but he is clearly a great actor since he has everyone believing the total opposite.

That being said, so long as New Labour are kicked into obscurity I cannot see any other party making such a monumental ballsup of running the country, so a Labour defeat will be a victory for all of us.

[Shasown]

Like I said in the other post, they're all terrible but the Lib Dems haven't had chance to ***** it up like the other two have so let's give them a shot.

Excuse me the Liberal party managed to muck up that little party at the start of last century World War 1 I think its referred to. No wonder they havent been allowed back in power since. Voters have long memories you know.

[Tom4784]

Trouble is, for most of us in the UK now, including the immigrants who are already here and established, we need to know that there are going to be the resources in society to cater for us all (i.e. housing, hospital beds and doctors, school places etc), so unfortunately the LibDems saying they will give amnesty to the alleged 1.5 million illegal immigrants which will then allow them to bring their entire families over here, is not the answer.

I suggest you do some research into Clegg - you will find he is ten times posher and more privileged than Cameron could ever dream of being. He loves to present himself as a man of the people whereas he is hugely privileged with a background that includes a 10 bedroom chateau, a 26 room skiing chalet and a family of bankers and aristocrats - a typical old Etonian, and another selfish d*ckhead who doesn't have to face the daily competion for resources we all now have to face with an ever increasing population- most of whom have never paid a penny into the system. He is probably the richest and most privileged of all of them, but he is clearly a great actor since he has everyone believing the total opposite.

That being said, so long as New Labour are kicked into obscurity I cannot see any other party making such a monumental ballsup of running the country, so a Labour defeat will be a victory for all of us.


Excuse me the Liberal party managed to muck up that little party at the start of last century World War 1 I think its referred to. No wonder they havent been allowed back in power since. Voters have long memories you know.

Meh, in that case ***** 'em all.

[AndyJK]

Yes because I specifically said in my posts that the other parties were perfect....oh wait....stop trying to put words in my mouth. All parties are as bad as each other but the tories are by far the worst.

You are talking in cliches. You hate the Tories so you will say that even though you can't back it up. Or can you?

[Niamh.]

in the case of rape his fault, still not the babies

[Shaun]

Yes, well assuming he's not still around and willing to be a responsible father figure I hardly think the mother should be forced to go through a pregnancy and motherhood she didn't want. ;)

[Niamh.]

I dont think she should either I was just saying it's not the babies fault either