[Shasown]

Conservative leader David Cameron has said that the time-limit for abortions should be cut to "20 or 22 weeks", in an interview with a Roman Catholic newspaper.

Mr Cameron backed a cut to 22 weeks in 2008, when the House of Commons voted to keep the existing maximum of 24 weeks.

But he indicated that he might be willing to go further when he told the Catholic Herald that a new review was now needed.

"My own view is that we do need to review the abortion limit. I think that the way medical science and technology have developed in the past few decades does mean that an upper limit of 20 or 22 weeks would be sensible," said Mr Cameron.

He indicated that Conservative MPs would be allowed a free vote on the question, as is normal with issues of conscience.

Mr Cameron also warned against legalising assisted suicide, saying: "My personal view is that if assisted dying is legalised, there is a danger that terminally ill people may feel pressurised into ending their lives if they feel they've become a burden on loved ones."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100408...t-6323e80.html

Call me cynical but is Big Dave trying to swing a catholic vote?

[Princess]

It's 24 weeks??? That's vile,babies can be born and survive at 24 weeks.

[Tom4784]

He'll whistle any tune to get votes.

[arista]

"He'll whistle any tune to get votes. "

As Does One Eyed Scottish Brown our UnElected PM at this time.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

"He'll whistle any tune to get votes. "

As Does One Eyed Scottish Brown our UnElected PM at this time.

'Better the Devil we know'

The Conservatives will only benefit the richer demographics as they always have. Brown's sh*t but he's a better prospect then the tories.

[BB_Eye]

So predictable

As soon as the election gets underway, out comes the real Cameron.

[rapunza1977]

I did not realise you could have an abortion up to 24 weeks oh my god

[rapunza1977]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'Better the Devil we know'

The Conservatives will only benefit the richer demographics as they always have. Brown's sh*t but he's a better prospect then the tories.

what he said!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by rapunza1977

I did not realise you could have an abortion up to 24 weeks oh my god

24 weeks is too late! It should be lowered - although not entirely sure how much!

[DrunkerThanMoses]

As someone said its to try and get votes from anti-abortion people and catholics.

[pinkmichk]

well given that the baby has a heart beat from around 6 weeks it is actually a life i dont agree with abortions personally so would love to see it lowered or gone completely i have a friend whos first daughter was born at 27 weeks and is now a thriving almost 6 year old i also know of a 25 weeker who has survived too

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by pinkmichk

well given that the baby has a heart beat from around 6 weeks it is actually a life i dont agree with abortions personally so would love to see it lowered or gone completely i have a friend whos first daughter was born at 27 weeks and is now a thriving almost 6 year old i also know of a 25 weeker who has survived too

It can't be got rid off completely - however upsetting some may find the idea! Noone has the right to force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want!

[Shaun]

Well this, and the fact he's voted against gay adoption every time it was raised before being thankfully allowed, signals me to believe that he - and perhaps the Conservative Party - aren't as 'neo' as they'd like us to believe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It can't be got rid off completely - however upsetting some may find the idea! Noone has the right to force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want!

perhaps she waved that option when she got pregnant, after all we all know how it happens

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Well this, and the fact he's voted against gay adoption every time it was raised before being thankfully allowed, signals me to believe that he - and perhaps the Conservative Party - aren't as 'neo' as they'd like us to believe.

The Conservatives are far from progressive it goes against everything they stand for

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

perhaps she waved that option when she got pregnant, after all we all know how it happens

Mistakes happen - young girls who are niave are often pressured into sex by boyfriends - lots of different reasons - doesn't mean they should pay for it for the rest of their lives! Not to mention risk their lives as noone ever knows what complications may arise during the birth - there is always a risk!

It is called forcing your opinions on others - just because you don't believe in it - doesn't mean you have the right to force your opinion on others!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Mistakes happen - young girls who are niave are often pressured into sex by boyfriends - lots of different reasons - doesn't mean they should pay for it for the rest of their lives! Not to mention risk their lives as noone ever knows what complications may arise during the birth - there is always a risk!

It is called forcing your opinions on others - just because you don't believe in it - doesn't mean you have the right to force your opinion on others!

either you value human life above convenience or you do not

[Niamh.]

Personnally I would never have an abortion, that been said I've never been raped so don't know what I would feel about it then, also I wouldn't say I'm right about it either just my own personnal feelings. However, 24 weeks is so wrong in my view, a baby could actually survive if born at 24 weeks so this has to be seen as murder, surely?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

either you value human life above convenience or you do not

What a 'laying a guilt trip' comment that is - if only life were that simple! Words are cheap - they mean nothing unless put to the test! Who are you or anyone else to decide what choice someone else has in a situation like that!

Maybe abandoning your children and taking no responsibility in their lives - should be made a criminal offence - might make many men think before pulling their trousers down! It takes two!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Mistakes happen - young girls who are niave are often pressured into sex by boyfriends - lots of different reasons - doesn't mean they should pay for it for the rest of their lives! Not to mention risk their lives as noone ever knows what complications may arise during the birth - there is always a risk!

It is called forcing your opinions on others - just because you don't believe in it - doesn't mean you have the right to force your opinion on others!

It doesn#t happen often Wombai but I agree with you completely here.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

What a 'laying a guilt trip' comment that is - if only life were that simple! Words are cheap - they mean nothing unless put to the test! Who are you or anyone else to decide what choice someone else has in a situation like that!

I think its easy to sit on one side or the other of the debate and fail to see the other sides point of view, at what date would you suggest the life inside the female becomes a life and is worthy of legal protection?

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Maybe abandoning your children and taking no responsibility in their lives - should be made a criminal offence - might make many men think before pulling their trousers down! It takes two!

And we all know that women are all angels and its always the man's fault. Though what denial of parental responsibilities has to do with a debate on Cameron wanting to lower the time limit on abortion is beyond me or is it just another chance to have a pop at men, to hijack a thread and make another stand for feminism and against the evil of all men?

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

24 weeks is too late! It should be lowered - although not entirely sure how much!

What's so bad about 24 weeks? An unborn foetus is neither conscious nor self-aware.

Seriously, the easier it is for as many people as possible to have access to an abortion doctor the better. If they had done this twenty years ago, the streets might not be as infested as it is with violent criminals from broken homes.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

What's so bad about 24 weeks? An unborn foetus is neither conscious nor self-aware.

Seriously, the easier it is for as many people as possible to have access to an abortion doctor the better. If they had done this twenty years ago, the streets might not be as infested as it is with violent criminals from broken homes.

I think that abortions at 24 weeks offend peoples sensibilities, given that a high proportion of premature babies delivered at 22 weeks are now surviving. So some people now consider it to be tantamount to infanticide. Again a case of the easily offend moral minority trying to force limitations on the rights and freedoms of others.

Funnily enough the abortion limit at 24 weeks was set in 1990 - twenty years ago as an amendment to the 1967 Abortion Act.

The main point being that social abortion (- abortion simply because the woman doesnt want a child)doesnt really occur after about 19 weeks. And abortion after 24 weeks on medical grounds is still legal. When the foetus has abnormalities there is no limit on the time of abortion

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I think its easy to sit on one side or the other of the debate and fail to see the other sides point of view, at what date would you suggest the life inside the female becomes a life and is worthy of legal protection?



And we all know that women are all angels and its always the man's fault. Though what denial of parental responsibilities has to do with a debate on Cameron wanting to lower the time limit on abortion is beyond me or is it just another chance to have a pop at men, to hijack a thread and make another stand for feminism and against the evil of all men?

Firstly - I believe 24 weeks is too late, as I have already stated in this thread, although I am not altogether sure what would be an appropriate date!

Secondly - when did I ever say women were angels - they clearly aren't!

Thirdly - my comments were a response to a poster whose comments implied that young women getting pregnant was all young womens' fault! I said it takes two - as it clearly does! If I went off track a bit, as many often do, it was not an intended attempt to 'hijack' a thread as you clearly implied!

Like many, abortion is something I have strong opinions on as is the fact that it is not just a female 'problem' and if some want to legislate and force women to have babies then there should also be legislation in place that makes the men involved take their share of responsibility - and not just put it all on the women as is often the case! That is not about making a stand for feminism against the 'evil of all men' - which sounds to me like a bandwagon you are jumping on!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

What's so bad about 24 weeks? An unborn foetus is neither conscious nor self-aware.

Seriously, the easier it is for as many people as possible to have access to an abortion doctor the better. If they had done this twenty years ago, the streets might not be as infested as it is with violent criminals from broken homes.

yes lets just exterminate the people who we dont like and keep all the good ones....

and the first point is not valid as we do not know that at all. what we know is only what we know now, and we ALL know how unreliable that is over time..