UK Airports Open but at a much slower pace

[arista]

But all planes must do New checks after
each flight.

Germany Airports had a better system
leaving it to the Pilot
today


Would you take the risk?



SkyNews Live

[Stacey.]

Does this mean that everyone who is abroad, can come back now?

[Lucy.]

Imagine being the first people to fly after they opened, I'd be terrorfied ):

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Some how i dont think they will stay opened, this morning most of Scotland's airports open at 7am by 1pm most of the had close again, dont think this over by a long shot..TBH

Im just so glad im not going/away in holiday at the moment & to be frank, i think i wouldn't want to go on a plain at this time.

[Sarah.]

About time!

[arista]

Does this mean that everyone who is abroad, can come back now?



Yes but it will be Slow
as the Planes have to check the Engines by hand and with a team , after each flight.



But from Sky News some Airlines may take
Legal action.


This could have been done yesterday.

[Stacey.]

Yes but it will be Slow
as the Planes have to check the Engines by hand and with a team , after each flight.



But from Sky News some Airlines may take
Legal action.


This could have been done yesterday.

oh :( i want my teachers to be stuck longer!

[arista]

Some how i dont think they will stay opened, this morning most of Scotland's airports open at 7am by 1pm most of the had close again, dont think this over by a long shot..TBH

Im just so glad im not going/away in holiday at the moment & to be frank, i think i wouldn't want to go on a plain at this time.



Sure
it may be a short time
but they have now changed the Rules
so those BA planes that went up yesterday
found alot out.

From LA a BA Flight will arrive tonight
confirmed.

At this time BA planes are in the Air doing big circles
until 10PM


If you have a Good Pilot
you will be OK.

[MeMyselfAndI]

i dont like my maths teacher i want her to stay in spain

[arista]

i dont like my maths teacher i want her to stay in spain



Well those stuck in Spain
may have to wait another day or two.


The BA Flights arriving are from
America , Canada and the middle east.

[Lucy.]

i dont like my maths teacher i want her to stay in spain

Haha! I think my students are too young to wish I was stuck abroad but who knows maybe their all sat at home telling their parents how sad they are that I'm not! :joker:

[Shasown]

Yes but it will be Slow
as the Planes have to check the Engines by hand and with a team , after each flight.



But from Sky News some Airlines may take Legal action.


This could have been done yesterday.

Legal action against what? The volcano or the High Pressure Area that is causing the wind to blow the ash plume towards the UK? Or maybe the wind itself.

[arista]

Legal action against what? The volcano or the High Pressure Area that is causing the wind to blow the ash plume towards the UK? Or maybe the wind itself.


About lack of Funding.


Willie Walsh CEO of BA
said the UK Airports could have opened 2 days ago.

[Lucy.]

Legal action against what? The volcano or the High Pressure Area that is causing the wind to blow the ash plume towards the UK? Or maybe the wind itself.

You have just made my night with that hilarious comment :elephant:

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267348/Iceland-volcano-eruption-New-volcanic-ash-cloud-bound-UK-halts-reopening-airports.html


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Volcano-Ash-New-Iceland-Cloud-Heading-For-UK-Signalling-Further-Setbacks-For-Air-Passengers/Article/201004315609504?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15609504_Volcano_Ash%3A_New_Iceland_Cl oud_Heading_For_UK_Signalling_Further_Setbacks_For _Air_Passengers_

[Stacey.]

what about Turkey? and Eygpt?

[arista]

what about Turkey? and Eygpt?


Yes those Flights will be OK.

But it is under a New Slower System
so you would have a wait longer than normal.

Engines have to be checked.


These New Guidelines are more like what America uses.

[Stacey.]

Yes those Flights will be OK.

But it is under a New Slower Sytem
so you would have a wait longer than normal.

Engines have to be checked.


These New Guidelines are more like what America uses.

oh right, thanks :)

[Shasown]

Airspace closure is a requirement under international safety regulations formulated by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) and requires closure and grounding when a Red Alert is given, ICAO states that there is "no definition of a safe concentration of ash for different aircraft, engine types and power settings."

Commercial aircraft do not have detectors that can detect and determine areas of high concentrations of Volcanic Ash. Nor are they maneouvrable enough to avoid thick concentrations detected by the Mark1 eyeball.

As for lack of funding, perhaps they should have done what they advise us to do. Obtain Insurance. It may reduce their profits a little eh?

While airline tests have shown there is substantive clean air through the levels, equally met office tests have shown that pockets of high concentration of ash do exist between the flight levels.

The ash is not uniform in the atmosphere and therefore it's possible to fly into one of these potentially dangerous pockets.


The airlines simply want to get back to making money, supposing NATS allow them to fly like they want and an aircraft crashes because of the ash, will the airline foot the bill for payments to the relatives of the dead or once again expect someone else to foot the bill, while continuing to make profits?

[CaraRawr]

good! i want josh and chris from you me at six back from portugal as i'm seeing them friday night.

[arista]

"and an aircraft crashes because of the ash, "


That is not what anyone wants.
Willie Walsh flew with test BA planes yesterday
he said we could have been flying 2 days ago.


This is a New system
Every Plane Engine has to be Checked for Ash.
That make good sense.

I would Fly.

[Shasown]

"and an aircraft crashes because of the ash, "


That is not what anyone wants.
Willie Walsh flew with test BA planes yesterday
he said we could have been flying 2 days ago.


This is a New system
Every Plane Engine has to be Checked for Ash.
That make good sense.

I would Fly.

I would fly too.

But its okay saying we could have flown a few days ago, (nice sound bite willie but total bollocks). Not all the little pockets of ash in the air can and have been detected and monitored, what happens if a plane flies into one?

Who will Willie blame, his own airline for their greed in forcing the issue, the government for allowing the scaling down of ICAO regulations or NATS for failing to detect the one that brings an aircraft down. Or again the volcano the wind and the high pressure system. Anyone but BA I bet.

[arista]

Willie will blame New Labour
so they will pay him off at this Election time.

[Iceman]

Arista are they only open for a short while or are they open for a longer period.?

[Shasown]

Willie will blame New Labour
so they will pay him off at this Election time.

Now that idea sounds good, maybe he should sue your mate Gordon.

[arista]

Well at 10PM
not a full day.

But due to these new Special Checks they should be open
onwards - unless a new Ash problen effects the Engines.

[Iceman]

Well at 10PM
not a full day.

But due to these new Special Checks they should be open
onwards - unless a new Ash problen effects the Engines.

okay, i know someone flying to Austarlia on Thursday, from Dublin Airport, do you know if Dublin is open?

[arista]

Now that idea sounds good, maybe he should sue your mate Gordon.


I Hate
that One Eyed Scottish Brown our current Un Elected PM.

[arista]

okay, i know someone flying to Austarlia on Thursday, from Dublin Airport, do you know if Dublin is open?


They said this is also Irish Airspace
as Special Checks on Engines (on every flight)
make it safer than before.


But they must be aware it will take that bit longer due to special checks before
and after it goes.


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Volcano-Ash-New-Iceland-Cloud-Heading-For-UK-Signalling-Further-Setbacks-For-Air-Passengers/Article/201004315609504?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15609504_Volcano_Ash%3A_New_Iceland_Cl oud_Heading_For_UK_Signalling_Further_Setbacks_For _Air_Passengers_

[Iceman]

cheers Arista ill keep my fingers crossed for her.

[arista]

With Germany not happy with
this UK rule
it appears that the BA Flight Tests from yesterday
gave so much data on the Engines.


The Blanket Ban
the New Labour set up with the wrong data
was stupid.

[Shasown]

okay, i know someone flying to Austarlia on Thursday, from Dublin Airport, do you know if Dublin is open?

Best your friends maintains regular contact with the arline he is flying with, but NATS covers both UK and Eire airspaces.

I Hate that One Eyed Scottish Brown our current Un Elected PM.

I never would have guessed!

[Shasown]

With Germany not happy with
this UK rule
it appears that the BA Flight Tests from yesterday
gave so much data on the Engines.


The Blanket Ban
the New Labour set up with the wrong data
was stupid.

It wasnt the government this time Arista it was the ICAO an international body governing Civil Airline Operations through NATS - the Air Traffic Management Body governing the UK and Eastern Atlantic Air Traffic Zones.

[pinkmichk]

why is this a serious debate?
anyway i think it will be hit and miss over next week or so they may be open now but dont be suprised if this changes frequently in next few days

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

why is this a serious debate?
anyway i think it will be hit and miss over next week or so they may be open now but dont be suprised if this changes frequently in next few days

Yeah totally agree with you .

[arista]

why is this a serious debate?
anyway i think it will be hit and miss over next week or so they may be open now but dont be suprised if this changes frequently in next few days




The Debate is about would you Fly.

[arista]

It wasnt the government this time Arista it was the ICAO an international body governing Civil Airline Operations through NATS - the Air Traffic Management Body governing the UK and Eastern Atlantic Air Traffic Zones.


Sure
but New Labour had a chance to help get this done days ago,
but their Election comes first

[Shasown]

Sure
but New Labour had a chance to help get this done days ago,
but their Election comes first

Nope the rules are from an external body, which governs all civilian air operations and the guidelines were modified by part of that body, the Civil Aviation Authority(CAA). The government can hardly agree to be bound by international convention then decide when they dont like something, that rule doesnt apply to them.

[arista]

Well Done Paxman
telling New Labour failed.
On BBC2 now

[Sticks]

Channel 5 will be showing tonight at 10pm a programme about the 1982 incident when a passenger jet lost all four engines after flying through a volcanic ash plume.

[arista]

Channel 5 will be showing tonight at 10pm a programme about the 1982 incident when a passenger jet lost all four engines after flying through a volcanic ash plume.



Yes that was a lucky Escape.

[arista]

Imagine being the first people to fly after they opened, I'd be terrorfied ):


I would not
as I trust BA planes who did the proper checking of the Ash
in the Air , a few days back.


When the UK opened
at 10PM last night
other Europe Airlines
had been flying all day.


Ryan Air
can not fly out
Until they has everyone brought home
as they lost him Big money.
So they will not start flying until Friday.

[Jackie]

I feel sorry for the parents with small children its no fun sleeping at the airports with them.

[arista]

I feel sorry for the parents with small children its no fun sleeping at the airports with them.



Yes and many will Return
to Vote Stinking New Labour out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think before we all start making jokes about this


we should wait until the dust has settled?

[arista]

I think before we all start making jokes about this


we should wait until the dust has settled?



It will never Settle.
The Earth will Burn Up in the very End.


Checking Engines of every Aircraft
on every journey will solve this flight worry.


Sign Of The Times.

[arista]

Channel 5 will be showing tonight at 10pm a programme about the 1982 incident when a passenger jet lost all four engines after flying through a volcanic ash plume.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/21/airports-pull-daily-star


http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Apr/Week3/15610714.jpg


The Daily Star
had a photo on the Front page from tonights special on Ch5 at 10PM
So Airports removed all Daily Star newspapers from shops.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Thats "The Daily Star" for you, cant stand that paper:sleep:

[BB_Eye]

The Daily Star is hilarious.

Didn't they have headline stating something like "Ashley caused Cheryl to Lose her Baby" with a picture of Cheryl holding her stomach?