Thousands of British women are having repeat abortions

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tens of thousands of British women are having multiple abortions, according to shocking new abortion statistics released by the NHS.

The figures, which also reveal that alarming numbers of teenagers are having terminations, are likely to reignite concern that abortion is being treated as a form of contraception.

During 2009 a staggering 195,743 abortions (the murder of an unborn baby) were performed in England and Wales, with a further 13,005 terminations being performed in Scotland.

The official stats reveal that of the abortions carried out on women resident in England and Wales, 63,309 – 34 per cent of the total – were for women who had previously had at least one abortion.

And of the abortions carried out in Scotland, this figure stood at 3,658, accounting for 28 per cent of the total.

Norman Wells, Director of the Family Education Trust, said Britain’s high abortion rates are an “inevitable consequence of a society that has made an idol out of sexual pleasure.”

Norman Wells commented: “It is not ignorance of contraception that leads to alarming rates of teenage abortions.

“The contraceptive culture has made girls feel they have a right to have babies to order and to do away with any that would interfere with their chosen lifestyle.”

Last year’s abortion totals show an overall decline from 2008 when there were 202,158 abortions in England and Wales, and a further 13,817 in Scotland.

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/thousands-of-british-women-are-having-repeat-abortions/

[Jessica.]

:(

[ILoveTRW]

so, people have a right to have more than one abortion if they want

[Crimson Dynamo]

so, people have a right to have more than one abortion if they want

what right do you refer to and where did it originate?

[Tom4784]

what right do you refer to and where did it originate?

Where's the law saying it's not?

I don't Abortion being used as contraception but it's their right to choose.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Where's the law saying it's not?

My question was what right and where did it originate

[Tom4784]

My question was what right and where did it originate

The fact that abortion is legal? It doesn't have a limit on it so if people want multiple abortions then that's their prerogative.

[Beastie]

so, people have a right to have more than one abortion if they want

This.

However still very alarming. People need to use a condom and the PILL now.. any contraception it has to take in order to NOT get pregnant. We have heard all the excuses before such as "the condom" split. Use appropriate protection or keep your knickers on!

However after the first abortion it should not be on the NHS or in fact not on the NHS at all. They should start charging people who choose to have an abortion!! However this may lead to people wanting to have the baby! which means an overpopulation in sprogs!! particularly in the UK.. we are overpopulated as it is. The world should come and work together.. not fight against each other. Ridiculous!!!

Countries like France and Australia are not overpopulated.. have a lot of land with not as many people living per square mile in that certain area.

[Tom4784]

This.

However still very alarming. People need to use a condom and the PILL now.. any contraception it has to take in order to NOT get pregnant. We have heard all the excuses before such as "the condom" split. Use appropriate protection or keep your knickers on!

However after the first abortion it should not be on the NHS or in fact not on the NHS at all. They should start charging people who choose to have an abortion!! However this may lead to people wanting to have the baby! which means an overpopulation in sprogs!! particularly in the UK.. we are overpopulated as it is. The world should come and work together.. not fight against each other. Ridiculous!!!

You have to pay for abortions anyway, unless it's for medical reasons I think.

[lily.]

There's really no solution to this problem. Contraception is free. Abortion is free.

I do think it's shocking that someone would go through an abortion and still be careless enough to get pregnant a second time. I'd have thought having an abortion would be traumatic enough once, and they wouldn't want to go through it again.

However, if we start choosing who can get them and how many they can get, that will cause it's own problems, as people will still terminate their pregnancy, in whatever way they can.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fact that abortion is legal? It doesn't have a limit on it so if people want multiple abortions then that's their prerogative.

And you see no problem with this?

what relationship have you ever had with a baby or small child can i ask?

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's really no solution to this problem. Contraception is free. Abortion is free.

I do think it's shocking that someone would go through an abortion and still be careless enough to get pregnant a second time. I'd have thought having an abortion would be traumatic enough once, and they wouldn't want to go through it again.

However, if we start choosing who can get them and how many they can get, that will cause it's own problems, as people will still terminate their pregnancy, in whatever way they can.

It cant be any worse than what we have now. What evidence do you have for

"as people will still terminate their pregnancy, in whatever way they can" in 2010?

[lily.]

It cant be any worse than what we have now. What evidence do you have for

"as people will still terminate their pregnancy, in whatever way they can" in 2010?

If a woman is prepared to have an abortion then that tells me how they feel about having a child.

Do you really want to see women who don't want children going through with their pregnancy, and possibly abandoning/neglecting that child? Or trying the DIY method with a bottle of spirits and a knitting needle?

What would be your idea of a solution?

[Niamh.]

Maybe getting people to pay for an abortion would be a good idea though I think it's horrible that having to fork out for one would make people think twice over actually terminating their potential child.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If a woman is prepared to have an abortion then that tells me how they feel about having a child.

Do you really want to see women who don't want children going through with their pregnancy, and possibly abandoning/neglecting that child? Or trying the DIY method with a bottle of spirits and a knitting needle?

What would be your idea of a solution?

"Do you really want to see women who don't want children going through with their pregnancy, and possibly abandoning/neglecting that child? Or trying the DIY method with a bottle of spirits and a knitting needle?"

Sorry, I dont know where you are getting this view from?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe getting people to pay for an abortion would be a good idea though I think it's horrible that having to fork out for one would make people think twice over actually terminating their potential child.

I would like to see a report detailing why each abortion was requested, that would illustrate a lot

[Tom4784]

And you see no problem with this?

what relationship have you ever had with a baby or small child can i ask?

Typical LT.

What's the relevence of that to anything? I'm pretty sure i've never had anyone have an abortion so I don't see what you're getting at here. Maybe in future instead of trying to avoid issues and getting personal (and failing at that) you should just try to keep to the topic at hand.

It's a choice and I believe in the right to choose. That is all.

[setanta]

I would like to see a report detailing why each abortion was requested, that would illustrate a lot

Jaysus, I'm agreeing with you here LT.

[mkdfan]

Why have a kid that is gonna ruin your life, its unfair to yourself.

[ILoveTRW]

i have a friend whos had about 4 now
she prefers them to contraception

[lily.]

"Do you really want to see women who don't want children going through with their pregnancy, and possibly abandoning/neglecting that child? Or trying the DIY method with a bottle of spirits and a knitting needle?"

Sorry, I dont know where you are getting this view from?

Common sense LT.

Do you think women who want children get abortions? No.

They don't want children, therefore they request an abortion.

So why do you find my view so hard to swallow?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Typical LT.

What's the relevence of that to anything? I'm pretty sure i've never had anyone have an abortion so I don't see what you're getting at here. Maybe in future instead of trying to avoid issues and getting personal (and failing at that) you should just try to keep to the topic at hand.

It's a choice and I believe in the right to choose. That is all.



no further questions m'lud

[Niamh.]

I would like to see a report detailing why each abortion was requested, that would illustrate a lot

Yeah definitely, I think if it was not so easy for people it might reduce these serial-aborters atleast

[Photon]

I think it should be as easy as possible to get an abortion. Making it difficult is just a way of passive aggressively punishing woman over perceptions of morality.

There should be better sex education programs that help people understand protection and sexual health, so that less people have reason to seek abortion. Punishing women and/or subtly humiliating them is not going to make this situation better.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why have a kid that is gonna ruin your life, its unfair to yourself.

and your evidence that a child would ruin your life is what?


(you wont get many Mums baking you up btw)

[lily.]

I'm a mum!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it should be as easy as possible to get an abortion. Making it difficult is just a way of passive aggressively punishing woman over perceptions of morality.

There should be better sex education programs that help people understand protection and sexual health, so that less people have reason to seek abortion. Punishing women and/or subtly humiliating them is not going to make this situation better.

that ^^^ would be what we have had and 195,000 dead babies resulted in 2009

so what else have you got?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm a mum!

and when did you realise that your child has ruined your life?

[Photon]

You keep whining about dead babies and asking dumb questions.

I'll ask you something worthwhile. Do you have a specific value in that number that shows how many people were in a position to be raising a child? How many were unable to raise a child for reasons of financial instability, health, or a variety of other issues that would be unfair on both the parents, and the child especially?

This issue is more complex than a large number and your resulting outrage.

[lily.]

My children didn't ruin my life. I wanted/planned them. The children being aborted are unwanted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

My children didn't ruin my life. I wanted/planned them. The children being aborted are unwanted.

do you think that they would be unwanted after birth?

perhaps not

[Crimson Dynamo]

You keep whining about dead babies and asking dumb questions.

I'll ask you something worthwhile. Do you have a specific value in that number that shows how many people were in a position to be raising a child? How many were unable to raise a child for reasons of financial instability, health, or a variety of other issues that would be unfair on both the parents, and the child especially?

This issue is more complex than a large number and your resulting outrage.

It would complex issue if you were in charge of questions.

once more for us English speakers please

[Photon]

Wait a minute, you referenced an article on abortion from a Christian website?

Wow.

[lily.]

You know, I hate to play the 'female' card here, but I'm going to.

As a woman, I've gone through two successful planned/wanted pregnancies. None of them were straight-forward.

I have a friend who almost died giving birth, and she had to have blood transfusions afterwards.

I have another friend who was left with a range of physical problems after having her first child.

You can't deny that pregnancy/childbirth takes it's toll on a woman's body, and leaves it's mark afterwards. There are still health risks (even in 2010) with pregnancy/childbirth.

So, with all that in mind, would you still like to see women go through all that for a child they don't want and didn't plan?

I understand you are a Christian, and that might be why you have such strong views on the issue. But with all due respect, you must understand that not everyone feels the same. And although I agree with you that the figures are outrageous given that all women are aware of how to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancies, I don't see you coming up with a feasible solution.

[Enid]

You keep whining about dead babies and asking dumb questions.

I'll ask you something worthwhile. Do you have a specific value in that number that shows how many people were in a position to be raising a child? How many were unable to raise a child for reasons of financial instability, health, or a variety of other issues that would be unfair on both the parents, and the child especially?

This issue is more complex than a large number and your resulting outrage.
You're wasting your time with him. I've tried before...

[lily.]

It would complex issue if you were in charge of questions.

once more for us English speakers please

I speak English and I understood it just fine.

He would like a breakdown of the people who had abortions to see the percentage of them who would be unable to take care of the resulting child.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're wasting your time with him. I've tried before...

The more gracious post would have been to admit you gave up after being exposed as rather clueless

(but i wont tell anyone, honest)


:spin:

[Photon]

You sure got her.

[Enid]

The more gracious post would have been to admit you gave up after being exposed as rather clueless

(but i wont tell anyone, honest)


:spin:
"Exposed"? LOL.

More like the argument fell flat on it's arse because there's absolutely no getting through to you about anything your religion opposes. Nothing is as ever as black and white as you like to make out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I speak English and I understood it just fine.

He would like a breakdown of the people who had abortions to see the percentage of them who would be unable to take care of the resulting child.

I would imagine a very small percentage would be deemed by social work to be unfit parents, maybe 1%?

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Exposed"? LOL.

More like the argument fell flat on it's arse because there's absolutely no getting through to you about anything your religion opposes. Nothing is as ever as black and white as you like to make out.

who is mentioning religion apart from you though?

maybe you are thinking of being born again - ironically for this thread

[Photon]

You linked to a Christian website, so this "debate" has been religiously charged from the start.

[Enid]

who is mentioning religion apart from you though?

maybe you are thinking of being born again - ironically for this thread
You mentioned religion as soon as you posted that article. If you're gonna post in "Serious Debates" try to leave your faith at the door.

[Photon]

and on that note.

http://vultus.stblogs.org/Sacred%20Side%20of%20Christ%20in%20Sant'Alfonso.jp g

"and jesus came from the field to turn potatoes into crisps and said let there be babies for all, especially in england." John's Crab Shack 1:25

[setanta]

And Setanta said, "let Photon discover the wonder of resizing images because he's fecking blinding me here" Celtic Warrior 2:11

[Crimson Dynamo]

You linked to a Christian website, so this "debate" has been religiously charged from the start.

the report could be got from many websites. the host is not part of the story.

[Crimson Dynamo]

notice Jesus is pointing to Enid and Photon and holding up 2 fingers at them


hahahahahah

[Photon]

You referenced more than the report. You included very specific quotes by people with questionable credentials, likely selected by the author of the article for echoing their own beliefs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You referenced more than the report. You included very specific quotes by people with questionable credentials, likely selected by the author of the article for echoing their own beliefs.


You mean to say that a report online uses people to talk about findings from a report, and....... they may have views one way or the other?


quick operator

get me MAX CLIFFORD, stat

[Enid]

You referenced more than the report. You included very specific quotes by people with questionable credentials, likely selected by the author of the article for echoing their own beliefs.
I warned you, and you didn't listen.

[lily.]

LT : You didn't respond to my post. (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3263207&postcount=34)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I warned you, and you didn't listen.

he does not listen to a woman who is still in her nightgown at 15:52

[Crimson Dynamo]

You know, I hate to play the 'female' card here, but I'm going to.

As a woman, I've gone through two successful planned/wanted pregnancies. None of them were straight-forward.

I have a friend who almost died giving birth, and she had to have blood transfusions afterwards.

I have another friend who was left with a range of physical problems after having her first child.

You can't deny that pregnancy/childbirth takes it's toll on a woman's body, and leaves it's mark afterwards. There are still health risks (even in 2010) with pregnancy/childbirth.

So, with all that in mind, would you still like to see women go through all that for a child they don't want and didn't plan?

I understand you are a Christian, and that might be why you have such strong views on the issue. But with all due respect, you must understand that not everyone feels the same. And although I agree with you that the figures are outrageous given that all women are aware of how to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancies, I don't see you coming up with a feasible solution.

no sorry i did not

Your examples are exceptions to the rule, as you know.

I dont think many children are planned, I mean plan for what?


Most married couples have not planned a child, they busk it and learn on the job.


I would question the validity of the planned stuff. How many women who have children bitterly regret having them?

not many.

You cant plan for a child, but you can accept responsibility for it and do the best you can.

[Photon]

I warned you, and you didn't listen.

I already knew the guy was a tool.

[lily.]

You can plan for a child.

You can actively decide that you want to be a parent. That's what I did.

Prior to making that decision, I was using the contraceptive pill. That's what responsible women do.

Unfortunately there are irresponsible women who don't. But, it's not for us to say they should go through with the pregnancy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I already knew the guy was a tool.

Ahhh, the "you smell" line of debate

classy

:hugesmile:

[Photon]

No, I called you a tool. I don't know what you smell like, tool.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can plan for a child.

You can actively decide that you want to be a parent. That's what I did.

But are you saying that these 195K women have decided not to be a parent or is it that they just dont fancy the responsibility and an abortion is the easy option?

That they see it just as a means of contraception, something which incidentally it was NEVER intended to be when introduced

[Jack_]

Classic.

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, I called you a tool. I don't know what you smell like, tool.

oh dear

[lily.]

But are you saying that these 195K women have decided not to be a parent or is it that they just dont fancy the responsibility and an abortion is the easy option?

That they see it just as a means of contraception, something which incidentally it was NEVER intended to be when introduced

I agree that it shouldn't be used as contraception, but there is no way to police that.

How could you possibly decide if someone was using it as contraception, or if they had genuinely found themselves in a tight spot? Who would be in charge of such a decision, and how would it be right to deny them an abortion thus forcing them to go through with a pregnancy they clearly don't want?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree that it shouldn't be used as contraception, but there is no way to police that.

How could you possibly decide if someone was using it as contraception, or if they had genuinely found themselves in a tight spot? Who would be in charge of such a decision, and how would it be right to deny them an abortion thus forcing them to go through with a pregnancy they clearly don't want?

The trick is to stop people having sex, stop images of sex pervading music and advertising to the young, reduce the messages that sex is this great thing we should all be doing as soon as we hit secondary school and make people realise that there are huge consequences.

I want to see the stats of all the Mums who bitterly regret having children and put that against all the pregnant women who say that a child would ruin their lives if they did not have an abortion.

I would also like to see geographic maps of abortions, and social class stats to see if there are trends as i suspect there are.

[lily.]

The problem is in society. There are too many parents who don't care enough to teach their kids about sex/contraception.

It's not enough to just tell them to say no. You have to teach them about responsibility and self-respect, and give them the tools they need to make the right decision.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem is in society. There are too many parents who don't care enough to teach their kids about sex/contraception.

It's not enough to just tell them to say no. You have to teach them about responsibility and self-respect, and give them the tools they need to make the right decision.

Its the tools they are using that is half the flippin problem

[lily.]

Did you happen to see the car-crash telly that was 'the scheme'?

That's an example of something which is happening everywhere.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did you happen to see the car-crash telly that was 'the scheme'?

That's an example of something which is happening everywhere.



I did

I could only feel sorry for Bullseye the dug tho

[lily.]

Bullet.

Poor bugger was the only one with any self-respect in the whole program.

[Tom4784]

The trick is to stop people having sex, stop images of sex pervading music and advertising to the young, reduce the messages that sex is this great thing we should all be doing as soon as we hit secondary school and make people realise that there are huge consequences.

I want to see the stats of all the Mums who bitterly regret having children and put that against all the pregnant women who say that a child would ruin their lives if they did not have an abortion.

I would also like to see geographic maps of abortions, and social class stats to see if there are trends as i suspect there are.

Short of padlock pants, trying to stop people having sex just won't work. Linda's right on the money, educating people is the only sensible option. It might not work all the time but it's a better idea then telling people not to do it.

[keithafc]

First time, i don't like it but its your right i suppose to have one. 2nd time, Nah, **** that. I think you should be forced to have the child, you can't be getting ****ed and not know what a condom or the pill is.

Once is bad enough, twice is a ****ing joke. There is no excuse in this day and age. Everyone KNOWS what a CONDOM is and what the PILL is. Sort it out people.

[Tom4784]

First time, i don't like it but its your right i suppose to have one. 2nd time, Nah, **** that. I think you should be forced to have the child, you can't be getting ****ed and not know what a condom or the pill is.

Once is bad enough, twice is a ****ing joke. There is no excuse in this day and age. Everyone KNOWS what a CONDOM is and what the PILL is. Sort it out people.

Why? Even though I don't agree with it being used as contraception it's their choice and ultimately their problem, How the hell does it affect you if they choose to abort? Would you take this view if your tax money was paying for the children born from this? There are a lot of people not fit to be a parent out there forcing them into having kids would be disastorous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not to mention him not giving any thought to the welfare of the children forced to be born! Potentially a lifetime of misery, unloved and unwanted - compared to nothing - no conscious awareness of existing or suffering! People get on their high-horses about abortion - with absolutely no understanding of the potential consequenses to all the unwanted children!

which children do you refer to?

where are the unwanted millions of children. I dont recall ever seeing a mother who did not want their child that has been born, perhaps a few alcoholics or druggies but that would be like 0.001%?

can you identify to me the unwanted children here in the UK today?

your post is based on a myth that hides the truth, it is just contraception.

[Tom4784]

which children do you refer to?

where are the unwanted millions of children. I dont recall ever seeing a mother who did not want their child that has been born, perhaps a few alcoholics or druggies but that would be like 0.001%?

can you identify to me the unwanted children here in the UK today?

your post is based on a myth that hides the truth, it is just contraception.

Bit of a silly statement, There's plenty of kids in care if that statement was true then where would they have come from? Some people aren't cut out to be parents but whether they have an abortion or have the child and place them up for adoption well that's their choice at the end of the day.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bit of a silly statement, There's plenty of kids in care if that statement was true then where would they have come from? Some people aren't cut out to be parents but whether they have an abortion or have the child and place them up for adoption well that's their choice at the end of the day.

give me the numbers then to refute it

[Crimson Dynamo]

The thousands in care for a start! Those abused and neglected by parents - who clearly never wanted to be parents in the first place!

There you go getting all emotive again - did I say 'millions' - although if you were talking worldwide - it probably would be!

give me the numbers

[WOMBAI]

give me the numbers

Go ask Social Services - I'm sure they could provide you with plenty of statistics!

[Shasown]

Tens of thousands of British women are having multiple abortions, according to shocking new abortion statistics released by the NHS.

The figures, which also reveal that alarming numbers of teenagers are having terminations, are likely to reignite concern that abortion is being treated as a form of contraception.

During 2009 a staggering 195,743 abortions (the murder of an unborn baby) were performed in England and Wales, with a further 13,005 terminations being performed in Scotland.

The official stats reveal that of the abortions carried out on women resident in England and Wales, 63,309 – 34 per cent of the total – were for women who had previously had at least one abortion.

And of the abortions carried out in Scotland, this figure stood at 3,658, accounting for 28 per cent of the total.

Norman Wells, Director of the Family Education Trust, said Britain’s high abortion rates are an “inevitable consequence of a society that has made an idol out of sexual pleasure.”

Norman Wells commented: “It is not ignorance of contraception that leads to alarming rates of teenage abortions.

“The contraceptive culture has made girls feel they have a right to have babies to order and to do away with any that would interfere with their chosen lifestyle.”

Last year’s abortion totals show an overall decline from 2008 when there were 202,158 abortions in England and Wales, and a further 13,817 in Scotland.

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/thousands-of-british-women-are-having-repeat-abortions/

Another post from the christian fundamentalist site that likes to use scare tactics to keep its followers subscribing.

Isnt the Family Education Trust, actually a think tank funded by various Christian Organisations and as such it isnt as independent as it claims in that it always follows the Christian Line?

"Do you really want to see women who don't want children going through with their pregnancy, and possibly abandoning/neglecting that child? Or trying the DIY method with a bottle of spirits and a knitting needle?"

Sorry, I dont know where you are getting this view from?

I would suggest you read some articles about Abortions particularly "backstreet" ones prior to the Abortion Act.

I would like to see a report detailing why each abortion was requested, that would illustrate a lot

Who are you to demand this, what has it got to do with you anyway. There are rules and regulations governing abortions, go learn.

and your evidence that a child would ruin your life is what?


(you wont get many Mums baking you up btw)

I know lots of parents who when asked if they had to live their life over again what changes would they make and the answer is normally although they wouldnt do without them now, they wouldnt have had kids so early in life.

I would imagine a very small percentage would be deemed by social work to be unfit parents, maybe 1%?

Care to provide a reference to back that assumption up?

who is mentioning religion apart from you though?

maybe you are thinking of being born again - ironically for this thread

You did when you posted a reference from a site called www.christian.org.uk

the report could be got from many websites. the host is not part of the story.

Could you provide a reference to prove that assertion?

he does not listen to a woman who is still in her nightgown at 15:52

Is that any of your business?

The trick is to stop people having sex, stop images of sex pervading music and advertising to the young, reduce the messages that sex is this great thing we should all be doing as soon as we hit secondary school and make people realise that there are huge consequences.

I want to see the stats of all the Mums who bitterly regret having children and put that against all the pregnant women who say that a child would ruin their lives if they did not have an abortion.

I would also like to see geographic maps of abortions, and social class stats to see if there are trends as i suspect there are.

Basically revert to a christian fundamental viewpoint, would you like the theory of evolution not to be taught in school as well?

which children do you refer to?

where are the unwanted millions of children. I dont recall ever seeing a mother who did not want their child that has been born, perhaps a few alcoholics or druggies but that would be like 0.001%?

can you identify to me the unwanted children here in the UK today?

your post is based on a myth that hides the truth, it is just contraception.

Obviously you are not a parent then, everyday lots of parents say I wish I never had kids. Especially when said kids are playing up.

Many women are torn between having an abortion and having a child, if they decide to have the child there grows a bond between the mother and child, as the child develops inside the woman, after the birth there is further bonding, that doesnt mean to say at the start of the pregnancy the mother loved the idea of being pregnant.

Of course there are children who were unwanted at the time of conception.

[Tom4784]

give me the numbers then to refute it

Where's the numbers to prove your '0.001%' claim first? It's common sense that there are kids put up for adoption considering the number of Children's homes and the budget that goes into sustaining this part of social care. To say that hardly any kids are put up for adoption is incredibly silly to put it nicely.

[Shasown]

give me the numbers then to refute it

60900 children in care for fostering and adoption march 2009.

http://www.baaf.org.uk/info/stats/index.shtml

But then again you wont believe the figures will you, because they arent for the christian org?

[Crimson Dynamo]

60900 children in care for fostering and adoption march 2009.

http://www.baaf.org.uk/info/stats/index.shtml

But then again you wont believe the figures will you, because they arent for the christian org?

is that because their mothers dont want them?

pray tell?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Another post from the christian fundamentalist site that likes to use scare tactics to keep its followers subscribing.

Isnt the Family Education Trust, actually a think tank funded by various Christian Organisations and as such it isnt as independent as it claims in that it always follows the Christian Line?



I would suggest you read some articles about Abortions particularly "backstreet" ones prior to the Abortion Act.



Who are you to demand this, what has it got to do with you anyway. There are rules and regulations governing abortions, go learn.



I know lots of parents who when asked if they had to live their life over again what changes would they make and the answer is normally although they wouldnt do without them now, they wouldnt have had kids so early in life.



Care to provide a reference to back that assumption up?



You did when you posted a reference from a site called www.christian.org.uk



Could you provide a reference to prove that assertion?



Is that any of your business?



Basically revert to a christian fundamental viewpoint, would you like the theory of evolution not to be taught in school as well?



Obviously you are not a parent then, everyday lots of parents say I wish I never had kids. Especially when said kids are playing up.

Many women are torn between having an abortion and having a child, if they decide to have the child there grows a bond between the mother and child, as the child develops inside the woman, after the birth there is further bonding, that doesnt mean to say at the start of the pregnancy the mother loved the idea of being pregnant.

Of course there are children who were unwanted at the time of conception.

everyday lots of parents say I wish I never had kids. Especially when said kids are playing up.


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[WOMBAI]

is that because their mothers dont want them?

pray tell?

You brought up the subject - so you go get the stats!

[Shasown]

is that because their mothers dont want them?

pray tell?

Why dont you have a look at the site I showed you and then you would see for yourself.

Or then again because its not christian propaganda you wont will you?

[Tom4784]

is that because their mothers dont want them?

pray tell?

Well Social Services aren't hiring ninjas to kidnap them aren't they?

[Shasown]

everyday lots of parents say I wish I never had kids. Especially when said kids are playing up.


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Thats right typical LT evasion tactic pick a point that I make and emphasise it.

Cant you back your own arguments up, with unbiased information as opposed to the uninformed or even twisted propaganda of the god squad.

[Sunny_01]

I would hate to see us backwards with regards to abortion laws. It is as I said previously all about choice, even if people do have multiple abortions (which I dont really think is right) it is still their choice to do so. If they were forced to have these babies they would indeed be the unwanted children of our society.

I can say with all honesty that simply being a woman does not qualify you as being able to be a 'mother' yes lots of women hang on to their children but it doesnt mean they want them! I think to say that a woman instantly wants her child once it is born is very niaive! once the child is in their arms! there are still a lot of women out there who choose not to terminate but choose not to mother and place their children with adoptive parents by choice!

When it comes to a woman's body it is her choice what she does with it, her choice whether to continue with a pregnancy or not and I dont believe women should be denied that right.