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LeatherTrumpet · 28-05-2010, 01:33 PM

Tens of thousands of British women are having multiple abortions, according to shocking new abortion statistics released by the NHS.

The figures, which also reveal that alarming numbers of teenagers are having terminations, are likely to reignite concern that abortion is being treated as a form of contraception.

During 2009 a staggering 195,743 abortions (the murder of an unborn baby) were performed in England and Wales, with a further 13,005 terminations being performed in Scotland.

The official stats reveal that of the abortions carried out on women resident in England and Wales, 63,309 – 34 per cent of the total – were for women who had previously had at least one abortion.

And of the abortions carried out in Scotland, this figure stood at 3,658, accounting for 28 per cent of the total.

Norman Wells, Director of the Family Education Trust, said Britain’s high abortion rates are an “inevitable consequence of a society that has made an idol out of sexual pleasure.”

Norman Wells commented: “It is not ignorance of contraception that leads to alarming rates of teenage abortions.

“The contraceptive culture has made girls feel they have a right to have babies to order and to do away with any that would interfere with their chosen lifestyle.”

Last year’s abortion totals show an overall decline from 2008 when there were 202,158 abortions in England and Wales, and a further 13,817 in Scotland.

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Jessica. · 28-05-2010, 01:35 PM

ILoveTRW · 28-05-2010, 01:38 PM

so, people have a right to have more than one abortion if they want

LeatherTrumpet · 28-05-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

so, people have a right to have more than one abortion if they want

what right do you refer to and where did it originate?

Tom4784 · 28-05-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what right do you refer to and where did it originate?

Where's the law saying it's not?

I don't Abortion being used as contraception but it's their right to choose.

LeatherTrumpet · 28-05-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Where's the law saying it's not?

My question was what right and where did it originate

Tom4784 · 28-05-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

My question was what right and where did it originate

The fact that abortion is legal? It doesn't have a limit on it so if people want multiple abortions then that's their prerogative.

Beastie · 28-05-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

so, people have a right to have more than one abortion if they want

This.

However still very alarming. People need to use a condom and the PILL now.. any contraception it has to take in order to NOT get pregnant. We have heard all the excuses before such as "the condom" split. Use appropriate protection or keep your knickers on!

However after the first abortion it should not be on the NHS or in fact not on the NHS at all. They should start charging people who choose to have an abortion!! However this may lead to people wanting to have the baby! which means an overpopulation in sprogs!! particularly in the UK.. we are overpopulated as it is. The world should come and work together.. not fight against each other. Ridiculous!!!

Countries like France and Australia are not overpopulated.. have a lot of land with not as many people living per square mile in that certain area.

Tom4784 · 28-05-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by thebeast

This.

However still very alarming. People need to use a condom and the PILL now.. any contraception it has to take in order to NOT get pregnant. We have heard all the excuses before such as "the condom" split. Use appropriate protection or keep your knickers on!

However after the first abortion it should not be on the NHS or in fact not on the NHS at all. They should start charging people who choose to have an abortion!! However this may lead to people wanting to have the baby! which means an overpopulation in sprogs!! particularly in the UK.. we are overpopulated as it is. The world should come and work together.. not fight against each other. Ridiculous!!!

You have to pay for abortions anyway, unless it's for medical reasons I think.

lily. · 28-05-2010, 01:46 PM

There's really no solution to this problem. Contraception is free. Abortion is free.

I do think it's shocking that someone would go through an abortion and still be careless enough to get pregnant a second time. I'd have thought having an abortion would be traumatic enough once, and they wouldn't want to go through it again.

However, if we start choosing who can get them and how many they can get, that will cause it's own problems, as people will still terminate their pregnancy, in whatever way they can.

LeatherTrumpet · 28-05-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

The fact that abortion is legal? It doesn't have a limit on it so if people want multiple abortions then that's their prerogative.

And you see no problem with this?

what relationship have you ever had with a baby or small child can i ask?

LeatherTrumpet · 28-05-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lily.

There's really no solution to this problem. Contraception is free. Abortion is free.

I do think it's shocking that someone would go through an abortion and still be careless enough to get pregnant a second time. I'd have thought having an abortion would be traumatic enough once, and they wouldn't want to go through it again.

However, if we start choosing who can get them and how many they can get, that will cause it's own problems, as people will still terminate their pregnancy, in whatever way they can.

It cant be any worse than what we have now. What evidence do you have for

"as people will still terminate their pregnancy, in whatever way they can" in 2010?

lily. · 28-05-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It cant be any worse than what we have now. What evidence do you have for

"as people will still terminate their pregnancy, in whatever way they can" in 2010?

If a woman is prepared to have an abortion then that tells me how they feel about having a child.

Do you really want to see women who don't want children going through with their pregnancy, and possibly abandoning/neglecting that child? Or trying the DIY method with a bottle of spirits and a knitting needle?

What would be your idea of a solution?

Niamh. · 28-05-2010, 01:51 PM

Maybe getting people to pay for an abortion would be a good idea though I think it's horrible that having to fork out for one would make people think twice over actually terminating their potential child.

LeatherTrumpet · 28-05-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lily.

If a woman is prepared to have an abortion then that tells me how they feel about having a child.

Do you really want to see women who don't want children going through with their pregnancy, and possibly abandoning/neglecting that child? Or trying the DIY method with a bottle of spirits and a knitting needle?

What would be your idea of a solution?

"Do you really want to see women who don't want children going through with their pregnancy, and possibly abandoning/neglecting that child? Or trying the DIY method with a bottle of spirits and a knitting needle?"

Sorry, I dont know where you are getting this view from?

LeatherTrumpet · 28-05-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Maybe getting people to pay for an abortion would be a good idea though I think it's horrible that having to fork out for one would make people think twice over actually terminating their potential child.

I would like to see a report detailing why each abortion was requested, that would illustrate a lot

Tom4784 · 28-05-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And you see no problem with this?

what relationship have you ever had with a baby or small child can i ask?

Typical LT.

What's the relevence of that to anything? I'm pretty sure i've never had anyone have an abortion so I don't see what you're getting at here. Maybe in future instead of trying to avoid issues and getting personal (and failing at that) you should just try to keep to the topic at hand.

It's a choice and I believe in the right to choose. That is all.

setanta · 28-05-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would like to see a report detailing why each abortion was requested, that would illustrate a lot

Jaysus, I'm agreeing with you here LT.

mkdfan · 28-05-2010, 01:55 PM

Why have a kid that is gonna ruin your life, its unfair to yourself.

ILoveTRW · 28-05-2010, 01:56 PM

i have a friend whos had about 4 now
she prefers them to contraception

lily. · 28-05-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Do you really want to see women who don't want children going through with their pregnancy, and possibly abandoning/neglecting that child? Or trying the DIY method with a bottle of spirits and a knitting needle?"

Sorry, I dont know where you are getting this view from?

Common sense LT.

Do you think women who want children get abortions? No.

They don't want children, therefore they request an abortion.

So why do you find my view so hard to swallow?

LeatherTrumpet · 28-05-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Typical LT.

What's the relevence of that to anything? I'm pretty sure i've never had anyone have an abortion so I don't see what you're getting at here. Maybe in future instead of trying to avoid issues and getting personal (and failing at that) you should just try to keep to the topic at hand.

It's a choice and I believe in the right to choose. That is all.

no further questions m'lud

Niamh. · 28-05-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would like to see a report detailing why each abortion was requested, that would illustrate a lot

Yeah definitely, I think if it was not so easy for people it might reduce these serial-aborters atleast

Photon · 28-05-2010, 02:05 PM

I think it should be as easy as possible to get an abortion. Making it difficult is just a way of passive aggressively punishing woman over perceptions of morality.

There should be better sex education programs that help people understand protection and sexual health, so that less people have reason to seek abortion. Punishing women and/or subtly humiliating them is not going to make this situation better.