JJ and Rachel on LF= A Bit Harsh

[*mazedsalv**]

I do understand both their sides where they are coming from. JJ obviously did not like the way Rachael had trated SS in the first few days and thought that Rachael was the typical popular girl from school... and he must have been hurt in the past BUT

I do really feel for Rachael, it must be hjard being told that your a horrible person, or coming across as arrogant.

I thought the whole conversation was sad last night :(
This has either wrecked Rachael's odds to stay, as all the girls of the public would side with JJ, or it could help Rachael survive eviction, as she ended up crying alone last night.... i felt for her.

I think JJ was a little harsh on her and she handled it very well and calmly during the conversation.

[Josy]

I dont think it was harsh at all tbh, at least he had the decency to tell her what he had been saying behind her back, if he didn't everyone on here would be saying he's a bitcher and 2 faced.

[JOSH69]

I do understand both their sides where they are coming from. JJ obviously did not like the way Rachael had trated SS in the first few days and thought that Rachael was the typical popular girl from school... and he must have been hurt in the past BUT

I do really feel for Rachael, it must be hjard being told that your a horrible person, or coming across as arrogant.

I thought the whole conversation was sad last night :(
This has either wrecked Rachael's odds to stay, as all the girls of the public would side with JJ, or it could help Rachael survive eviction, as she ended up crying alone last night.... i felt for her.

I think JJ was a little harsh on her and she handled it very well and calmly during the conversation.
Now Rachael is up for eviction, she starts crying and will try and be as nice as possible to everybody!.....Can,t you see through her????:conf:

[*mazedsalv**]

Now Rachael is up for eviction, she starts crying and will try and be as nice as possible to everybody!.....Can,t you see through her????:conf:

But she reacted completely different as expected, during the convo she kep very calm, too calm for someone who is hearing someone say to her that she's arrogant, she then put her sunglasses on and went to smoke.

Now if that was Shabby, we would still be hearing about it 8 hours on non stop.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rachel is a bitch. if people dont "love" her then she attacks them and belittles them to regain control.


She is a classic narcissist. I would wager she has little interests outside the house save her appearance.

[Josy]

But she reacted completely different as expected, during the convo she kep very calm, too calm for someone who is hearing someone say to her that she's arrogant, she then put her sunglasses on and went to smoke.

Now if that was Shabby, we would still be hearing about it 8 hours on non stop.

When she went to have a smoke she was saying to the other hms "oh i cant believe that" etc behind JJs back, why didn't she say all that to his face while he was speaking to her?

I think she wants the other hms or maybe even the public to feel sorry for her.

[amy-jaynee]

But she reacted completely different as expected, during the convo she kep very calm, too calm for someone who is hearing someone say to her that she's arrogant, she then put her sunglasses on and went to smoke.

Now if that was Shabby, we would still be hearing about it 8 hours on non stop.

Yeah but thats why BB HM's are a mix of people, Rachael isn't shabby, they're 2 totally different personalities so they will react in different ways, obviously rachaels way of dealing with it is being on her own and having a little cry, whereas shabbys temper just takes over.

I think JJ was right in telling Rachael what he thought, it's better than bottling it up, or just talking behind her back. If they show this on HL it'll make everyone feel sorry for her :nono:

[Rachelll]

I dont think it was harsh at all tbh, at least he had the decency to tell her what he had been saying behind her back, if he didn't everyone on here would be saying he's a bitcher and 2 faced.

The thing is he continued to bitch about the faces she pulls well afrter he had confronted her, he should have just let the issue lay. JJ was an ass last night. Sunshine to be evicted the boring med student. :sleep:

[fruit_cake]

Rachel is a bitch. if people dont "love" her then she attacks them and belittles them to regain control.


She is a classic narcissist. I would wager she has little interests outside the house save her appearance.

i agree, i still think that there is a nice side to rachael to come out yet though. She didn't single anyone out in molegate while all the others ganged up on sunshine.

[arsenalforever]

Yeah but thats why BB HM's are a mix of people, Rachael isn't shabby, they're 2 totally different personalities so they will react in different ways, obviously rachaels way of dealing with it is being on her own and having a little cry, whereas shabbys temper just takes over.

I think JJ was right in telling Rachael what he thought, it's better than bottling it up, or just talking behind her back. If they show this on HL it'll make everyone feel sorry for her :nono:

Plus he was right that she uses Ben putting hin his mind that he might have achance but behind his back she's bitching him out. i think it was playing up to the camera's to save herself from eviction. It be interesting to see if the edit of the H/l's go

[amy-jaynee]

Yeah, she was all friendly with ben chatting to him acting as if she forgave him, then went and bitched about him. I hope the HL show shows her for who she really is

[MrWong]

Plus he was right that she uses Ben putting hin his mind that he might have achance but behind his back she's bitching him out. i think it was playing up to the camera's to save herself from eviction. It be interesting to see if the edit of the H/l's go

That's not true at all.

Ben knows he doesn't stand a chance for the simple reason that she hasn't led him on at all.

Yet JJ slags her off for that. Saying she ignores Ben. Now if she chatted to Ben more JJ would accuse her, just as you have, of leading Ben on.

The girl can't do anything without being labled a bitch, or worse.

[arsenalforever]

That's not true at all.

Ben knows he doesn't stand a chance for the simple reason that she hasn't led him on at all.

Yet JJ slags her off for that. Saying she ignores Ben. Now if she chatted to Ben more JJ would accuse her, just as you have, of leading Ben on.

The girl can't do anything without being labled a bitch, or worse.

your making her out to be innocent when yesterday on LF she said everythign was cool with Ben then she went off to Team bitch and knocked him. that makes her a bitch in my eyes

[Angus]

Rachel is a bitch. if people dont "love" her then she attacks them and belittles them to regain control.


She is a classic narcissist. I would wager she has little interests outside the house save her appearance.

Am I missing something? She is not remotely attractive and only very superficially resembles Beyonce. If you actually look at her, her features are much coarser and while she has an ok figure, it's nothing to write home about. How sad to make a whole career out of vaguely resembling someone without having any discernible personality, skills or talents of one's own. She is really quite pathetic and it's a typical response for a self deluded idiot like her to turn on the waterworks when confronted with some home truths.

[arsenalforever]

Am I missing something? She is not remotely attractive and only very superficially resembles Beyonce. If you actually look at her, her features are much coarser and while she has an ok figure, it's nothing to write home about. How sad to make a whole career out of vaguely resembling someone without having any discernible personality, skills or talents of one's own. She is really quite pathetic and it's a typical response for a self deluded idiot like her to turn on the waterworks when confronted with some home truths.

its probably cause there's no other babe in the house to rival her
she's nice but no way is she out of this world sexxy

[fruit_cake]

Am I missing something? She is not remotely attractive and only very superficially resembles Beyonce. If you actually look at her, her features are much coarser and while she has an ok figure, it's nothing to write home about. How sad to make a whole career out of vaguely resembling someone without having any discernible personality, skills or talents of one's own. She is really quite pathetic and it's a typical response for a self deluded idiot like her to turn on the waterworks when confronted with some home truths.

i think rachael is already aware of those truths, its not her fault that people treat her like that just like its not her fault Ben fancies her.

Blame Ben and the people who worship her, don't blame Rachael!

[Beso]

She kept clutching her titties squashing them up to make them bulge out the top of her dress, she even told jj she fancied him ...none of it worked so she was stumped...stupid cow thought that a wee fluttrer of the eyelashes would work like it does on the outside..well you stupid bint, you might be miss popular in your own friends circle, but in the bb house your a nothing from the start.

[arsenalforever]

i think rachael is already aware of those truths, its not her fault that people treat her like that just like its not her fault Ben fancies her.

Blame Ben and the people who worship her, don't blame Rachael!

buit you lot will accuse Mario :joker:

calling the kettle black

[MrWong]

your making her out to be innocent when yesterday on LF she said everythign was cool with Ben then she went off to Team bitch and knocked him. that makes her a bitch in my eyes

Ben, your favourites has been 'knocking' his friend Sunshine but i guess that's different, right?

[Zippy]

Rachel is a bitch. if people dont "love" her then she attacks them and belittles them to regain control.


She is a classic narcissist. I would wager she has little interests outside the house save her appearance.

JJ has been more of a bitch than rachael has. She didn't launch a stinging attack on anybody who had never done anything to her. He did and behind her back. He probably only told her coz he knew it would be seen on TV or the others would tell her. Damage limitation.

Rachael hasn't attacked anybody. JJ did. Seems your just biased and sexist. Only women can be bitches right?

And what interests does he have? Can't keep a job or a woman it seems. He's a bum who lives with his Mum and spends as much time on his appearance as Rachael does by all accounts.

And his stories do not add up. Fact.

[MrWong]

JJ has been more of a bitch than rachael has. She didn't launch a stinging attack on anybody who had never done anything to her. He did and behind her back. He probably only told her coz he knew it would be seen on TV or the others would tell her. Damage limitation.

Rachael hasn't attacked anybody. JJ did. Seems your just biased and sexist. Only women can be bitches right?

And what interests does he have? Can't keep a job or a woman it seems. He's a bum who lives with his Mum and spends as much time on his appearance as Rachael does by all accounts.

And his stories do not add up. Fact.

Well said.

Double standards once again rears it's very ugly head.

[Julie10]

well said.

Double standards once again rears it's very ugly head.


hear hear!!!

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Rachel is a bitch. if people dont "love" her then she attacks them and belittles them to regain control.


She is a classic narcissist. I would wager she has little interests outside the house save her appearance.

100% agree with you:hugesmile:

[Rob]

i don't rachael is that bad, compared to sunshine she is a saint!

[arsenalforever]

Ben, your favourites has been 'knocking' his friend Sunshine but i guess that's different, right?

wong:joker:

[bansheewails]

JJ is a worse bitch that Grace in BB7 or whatever it was.. He knows that Rachel was booed going in and think that the public hate her so is going for her! If a woman had of been so nasty the public would have been baying for blood. JJ is being self serving and plain horrible thinking it will go in his favour later.

:nono:

[arista]

I do understand both their sides where they are coming from. JJ obviously did not like the way Rachael had trated SS in the first few days and thought that Rachael was the typical popular girl from school... and he must have been hurt in the past BUT

I do really feel for Rachael, it must be hjard being told that your a horrible person, or coming across as arrogant.

I thought the whole conversation was sad last night :(
This has either wrecked Rachael's odds to stay, as all the girls of the public would side with JJ, or it could help Rachael survive eviction, as she ended up crying alone last night.... i felt for her.

I think JJ was a little harsh on her and she handled it very well and calmly during the conversation.


You do know that Down Under people are Harsh.

[arsenalforever]

Well said.

Double standards once again rears it's very ugly head.

:sleep:

she has been seen as a bitch whens he went off to bitch about other hm's
stop with all this we hate female b.s cause its sems like a excuse for you wong.

[skkc16]

JJ has been more of a bitch than rachael has. She didn't launch a stinging attack on anybody who had never done anything to her. He did and behind her back. He probably only told her coz he knew it would be seen on TV or the others would tell her. Damage limitation.

Rachael hasn't attacked anybody. JJ did. Seems your just biased and sexist. Only women can be bitches right?

And what interests does he have? Can't keep a job or a woman it seems. He's a bum who lives with his Mum and spends as much time on his appearance as Rachael does by all accounts.

And his stories do not add up. Fact.

I agree john must have had a bad experience in the past with pretty girls and he seems to b basing his judgement of rachel mainly on that which is not fair at all I hope she stays coz I want to see his face when she does he's such a gameplayer

[MrWong]

:sleep:

she has been seen as a bitch whens he went off to bitch about other hm's
stop with all this we hate female b.s cause its sems like a excuse for you wong.

Most in the house have done the same and worse.

She seems to be getting a harder time of it.

[MrWong]

wong:joker:

Arse. :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

Everything JJ said was true ,some people need telling and he had the guts to tell her in a nice way to her face,good on him !!

[Jords]

I missed it. :(

Will have to catch it on HL's.

[Zippy]

Everything JJ said was true ,some people need telling and he had the guts to tell her in a nice way to her face,good on him !!

He told her AFTER he had ranted about her for a hour on late night live feed behind her back. Him talking to her afterwards had nothing to do with guts just damage limitation because he realised he had attacked somebody who had done nothing to him. Which could scupper his chances with the viewers who had seen it.

He's a game player big time. And he knows jacksh!t about Rachael. he could learn about her if he made the effort whilst in the house. But he prefers to just jump straight in with judgemental nasty opinions.

[chuff me dizzy]

He told her AFTER he had ranted about her for a hour on late night live feed behind her back. Him talking to her afterwards had nothing to do with guts just damage limitation because he realised he had attacked somebody who had done nothing to him. Which could scupper his chances with the viewers who had seen it.

He's a game player big time. And he knows jacksh!t about Rachael. he could learn about her if he made the effort whilst in the house. But he prefers to just jump straight in with judgemental nasty opinions.

No im sorry i disagree ,he went up in my opinion of him ,he maybe is like me who goes by his 1st impressions of people and is seldom wrong ,please dont single him out about bitching nearly all of them have done that

[Niamh.]

Lets be honest here, everyone *****ing bitches about people they don't like, we just don't get filmed doing it!! I would love for anyone here to tell me they have never done that, and I bet they're lying!

[chuff me dizzy]

Lets be honest here, everyone *****ing bitches about people they don't like, we just don't get filmed doing it!! I would love for anyone here to tell me they have never done that, and I bet they're lying!

My hand is high in the air ,I have bitched and anyone who say they have not is a liar

[arsenalforever]

Lets be honest here, everyone *****ing bitches about people they don't like, we just don't get filmed doing it!! I would love for anyone here to tell me they have never done that, and I bet they're lying!

me lie never:joker:

this is true everyone does bitch buts its wrong in bb:joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

me lie never:joker:

this is true everyone does bitch buts its wrong in bb:joker:

Bitching makes BB imo ,there nothing better than a good old fashioned bitch !! beats BB4 when everyone was sugar sweet ,please God dont try to turn the last show into that

[MrWong]

I don't think anyone has said bitching is wrong or that noone bitches in real life???

Just pointing out that others have bitched far more, Govan and JJ for instance. Whilst some have bitched less but are getting far more stick for it.

[rapunza1977]

The thing is he continued to bitch about the faces she pulls well afrter he had confronted her, he should have just let the issue lay. JJ was an ass last night. Sunshine to be evicted the boring med student. :sleep:


Sunshine to stay - only one in there with any class and brain cells!

[Nick.B]

I have mixed feelings on this, because I like both housemates.

I think J-J did exactly right last night in terms of approaching Rachael and telling her about his problem, that shows he is a decent guy like that.

However, when you're being told you're arrogent and not nice by a person that you really like, I understand why it really hurt Rachael. Rachael took it very calmly and she did have a bit of a cry after and that is acceptable, it really is.

J-J does some really evil, nasty sinister looks, himself so where how he can get off telling Rachael that her looks are nasty, I don't know. He says that he hasn't got to know Rachael much yet as she looks down on people, which I don't think is true, I think she is a really nice person and has a lot to give to other housemates. I think it's just one of those facial expressions that she has. She has said she will try to change, but I don't think she an change that. That is one of her facial expressions, not because she's some sort of evil bitch.

What I also disagree with is the fact that AFTER J-J has approached Rachael he still continued to Bitch about her, behind her back to Govan instead of letting it lie. Rachael was genuinley sorry last night for something she doesn't have to be sorry for, as it's not really her fault she looks that way and she told him last night she doesn't do it nastily. She really likes J-J, she said she thinks he's hot, sexy and so on and so forth last night, but he just disregarded her feelings and didn't give a **** about what she had to say. Even when Rachael was explaining herself saying she isn't arrogent and that she only means the best and she would never look down on people, he was just looking away as though he didn't give a **** about what she was doing, but yet Rachael was really upset.

Yes, Rachael went outside for a smoke with her sun glasses on as she had a bit of a cry in the bathroom and she did of course say "I can;t believe he has said that..." etc... and she had every right to say that, because she couldn't actually believe he had done what he had done, and she told the others (Shabby, Ife, Caoimhe) what he had said because they questioned her about it, however, J-J just went and bitched behind her back about everything he could.

I do believe J-J likes Rachael, as much as he puts a front on about not liking and hating girls like her, I think deep down he likes her and maybe he has been hurt in the past and if he thinks he can insult Rachael and be evil to her, it will work for him, but he is sadly mistaken as it isn't working at the moment. J-J was saying last night how he didn't have to come to her and tell her what he thought, he could have just left it, not give a **** and not given her the time of day as long as they both last in the house, BUT, he did approach her and tell her what he thought. If he wasn't bothered what she thought and if he wasn't going to give her the time of day, WHY has he been and told her what he thinks?

Some of you have said Rachael is a bitch and is evil and somebody also said that they hope the highlights show shows her in her true light. This is why I love live streaming this year, you don't have to rely on the highlights show telling you half a story, and if you watch the LS then you will see that Rachael isn't really a bad person but the highlights show may portray her to be a nasty person, when she really isn't.

The big situation with Ben too. I don't think Rachael has ever lead Ben on. I say I think when I actually KNOW she has not lead Ben on. He's not her type and she has said on many occasions she finds him a bit weird and hates the whole touchy-feely thing. Ben just isn't her type, she has never lead him on, just because Ben has feelings for her does not say the feeling is mutual... he's just an idiot that has feelings for her and never once has Rachael said anything or done anything to ben to make him think anything could or may happen, he just needs to get over himself and realise it is going nowhere...

[Oooo_get_her]

Rachel is a bitch. if people dont "love" her then she attacks them and belittles them to regain control.


She is a classic narcissist. I would wager she has little interests outside the house save her appearance.


Spot on, in my estimation.