Is it steve the housemate or steve the injured ex soldier housemate.

[Parmy]

Because it seems on here that you can't have a negative view point on steve because he has injuries from his time in the army!

[billy123]

this argument is over beso cant you just leave it?
feel free to criticise steve but dont drag the insults so low that they are personally offensive to people.

[Vicky.]

Noone said you cant have a negative view on steve :conf:

[chuff me dizzy]

Everyone on here knows my story of the army and its soldiers ,but i think Steve should be in BB as an equal,he should not stay longer because hes been in the army,he should be able to be nominated because hes boring,lazy,annoying if he was as he should not be a special case ,but the hm8s are really careful what they say ,IMO its pc gone mad

[spitfire]

:sleep:

[Parmy]

Noone said you cant have a negative view on steve :conf:

It seems the abuse given out to people who do though is overlooked by you the mods when it comes to steve.

So in a roundabout way, it seems that the view is, no you can't because if you do you get hounded in other threads for something negative you have posted about steve in another thread, which makes it near impossible for any further interaction.

[Parmy]

Everyone on here knows my story of the army and its soldiers ,but i think Steve should be in BB as an equal,he should not stay longer because hes been in the army,he should be able to be nominated because hes boring,lazy,annoying if he was as he should not be a special case ,but the hm8s are really careful what they say ,IMO its pc gone mad


And he should be treated the same way as any other housemate on the forum, and the people who treat him the same as any other housemate on the forum should be treated like any other member of the forum.

[billy123]

http://bloodelfpriestess.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/temper-tantrum1.jpg

[Jordan.]

He is Steve the bore.

[WOMBAI]

this argument is over beso cant you just leave it?
feel free to criticise steve but dont drag the insults so low that they are personally offensive to people.

This!

[Parmy]

this argument is over beso cant you just leave it?
feel free to criticise steve but dont drag the insults so low that they are personally offensive to people.

I agree to that.

[Vicky.]

It seems the abuse given out to people who do though is overlooked by you the mods when it comes to steve.

So in a roundabout way, it seems that the view is, no you can't because if you do you get hounded in other threads for something negative you have posted about steve in another thread, which makes it near impossible for any further interaction.

Personally I have seen no abuse toward people who dont like steve. Maybe I have missed a lot, but I cant read every post that is made.

What I have seen, and admittedly once or twice ignored, is abuse toward people who think it is funny to mock his injuries.

[Parmy]

http://bloodelfpriestess.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/temper-tantrum1.jpg

oh you mean dragging insults like this one out!

[stonedape]

Overly negative views on Steve seem just as arbitrary and potentially based on his disabilities/armyness as overly positive views on Steve. IMO, any judgement other than "he's boring" seems like a stretch.

But I don't think toothpick's thread should have been locked based on the original post, it just got really low really fast.

[Vicky.]

this argument is over beso cant you just leave it?
feel free to criticise steve but dont drag the insults so low that they are personally offensive to people.

Amen to that

[billy123]

I agree to that.
cool then you wont run into any criticism for that go for it call him a fat bore or whatever you like.

[Parmy]

Personally I have seen no abuse toward people who dont like steve. Maybe I have missed a lot, but I cant read every post that is made.

What I have seen, and admittedly once or twice ignored, is abuse toward people who think it is funny to mock his injuries.



If your mocking steves injuries then surely there is no place on this forum for that person!

[Vicky.]

If your mocking steves injuries then surely there is no place on this forum for that person!

What?

[hotleggs]

poor steve

[Parmy]

cool then you wont run into any criticism for that go for it call him a fat bore or whatever you like.

Why would I do that, he's a good housemate, from what I have seen of him he is better and more entertaining than loads in there, bb just seems to overlook his chats and force feed us the army tale.

Which, if I was steve I would be gutted about because I'd be thinking there's a lot more to me than my army life.

[billy123]

oh you mean dragging insults like this one out!
il take that one back and apoligise the forum went on a go slow for me and when it finally posted a few posts with more common sense had appeared.

[Parmy]

What?

EH!


If someone mocks steves injuries, then there should be no place on this or any forum frequented by normal minded people for that person!

Have you had a long day or something?

[Vicky.]

EH!


If someone mocks steves injuries, then there should be no place on this or any forum frequented by normal minded people for that person!

Have you had a long day or something?

I have indeed :laugh:

[billy123]

Why would I do that, he's a good housemate, from what I have seen of him he is better and more entertaining than loads in there, bb just seems to overlook his chats and force feed us the army tale.

Which, if I was steve I would be gutted about because I'd be thinking there's a lot more to me than my army life.
i dont think they so much as overlooked them i think they were just fairly minor events that probably would have made the cut on most HL shows but tonight was a packed show there were just bigger events to cover.
and i dont think anyone pushes the army angle although it is obviousley still a big part of steves character.

[Zippy]

Steve may be dull but he's not aggressive or nasty to other HMs. He generally keeps himself to himself. He had one rant during the bedroom incident. Big deal. Considering his age and what he's been through Im staggered he hasn't blown a fuse many other times over the petty nonsense in the house.

JJ and Nathan rant and swear all the time. Steve does it once and suddenly he's a nasty man. Er, no, he's actually incredibly tolerant in a house full of shallow young people.

That said, he's not an exciting or relevant HM as he isn't really involved in any storylines. His disabilities and age do put him on the sidelines somewhat. Not all his fault.

Either way, be respectful to his injuries because they are very REAL and impacting on his life, still. Unlike JJs school bullying which he should get the **** over already.

[Parmy]

i dont think they so much as overlooked them i think they were just fairly minor events that probably would have made the cut on most HL shows but tonight was a packed show there were just bigger events to cover.
and i dont think anyone pushes the army angle although it is obviousley still a big part of steves character.

It's a tough one for bb really when you think of it, I mean it's great that it highlights the suffering of so many young men today that are at the begining of a long hard road to semi recovery, and bb need to be applauded for having the guts to go with it. I would like to think that they would have discussed all this with steve, who would obviously have given the ok considering his work with the young injured soldiers coming back from abroad each day.


But,i can see it all ending on a sour note for steve, and thats who I worry about.

Perhaps steve could have just come in for a week long task or something.

[WOMBAI]

Steve may be dull but he's not aggressive or nasty to other HMs. He generally keeps himself to himself. He had one rant during the bedroom incident. Big deal. Considering his age and what he's been through Im staggered he hasn't blown a fuse many other times over the petty nonsense in the house.

JJ and Nathan rant and swear all the time. Steve does it once and suddenly he's a nasty man. Er, no, he's actually incredibly tolerant in a house full of shallow young people.

That said, he's not an exciting or relevant HM as he isn't really involved in any storylines. His disabilities and age do put him on the sidelines somewhat. Not all his fault.

Either way, be respectful to his injuries because they are very REAL and impacting on his life, still. Unlike JJs school bullying which he should get the **** over already.

Well said!

[Fuzzylogic]

Injuries or not, to me Steve is a boring housemate. Nice guy, but he doesn't entertain me.

[Parmy]

well said!

he does have a good bitch behind peoples backs at times.

[WOMBAI]

he does have a good bitch behind peoples backs at times.

Unlike the rest of them! :joker: No one is claiming he is a saint - just one of the nicer, more genuine hms!

[Parmy]

Unlike the rest of them! :joker: No one is claiming he is a saint - just one of the nicer, more genuine hms!

we're not discussing the rest of them.:nono:

He is genuine, but is also a bit short tempered and stubborn, remember the building the key task and how he snapped and ordered everyone around. If that had been anyone else there would have been arguments in the house and forum slatings abound.

[WOMBAI]

we're not discussing the rest of them.:nono:

He is genuine, but is also a bit short tempered and stubborn, remember the building the key task and how he snapped and ordered everyone around. If that had been anyone else there would have been arguments in the house and forum slatings abound.

They respect him more than the others - for a combination of reasons, including his age, disability and general easy-going personality! See nothing wrong with that! He is the authoratative figure in there! If I was on there - I would listen to him, but probably not any of the others, except maybe Dave or Ben! The rest act like a bunch of stupid, shallow kids!

[Shasown]

we're not discussing the rest of them.:nono:

He is genuine, but is also a bit short tempered and stubborn, remember the building the key task and how he snapped and ordered everyone around. If that had been anyone else there would have been arguments in the house and forum slatings abound.

Yeah he does seem to be a little stubborn, then again team exercises like that are best done not by debate and committee but by following the advice or plan of someone who has done similar before.

It may have seemed like he was jumping in to control it, and he was, however thats just the way he is, laid back until he feels it necessary to step in. A lot of older people are like that.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Steve's legs have stealth technology to keep him under the radar, he wants to win most of all the HMs I think. I remember he mentioned its a struggle with 8-9 kids however many he has, so 100k would be massive help for him and his family, thats why he is there, he will come alive once get to final few weeks to give himself a shot of winning, but by then someone like Ben, Josie, Corin will be likely winner

[Parmy]

Thats all fair and well, and fine I suppose, but you can still have a go at him if he's older and has his injuries, they are all (or should be) judged as equals, but they are not..It took until the final 4 weeks with mikey from scotland before anyone had the nuts to have a pop at him and his attitude, and that was just rex, I don't want to see all that again, I wan't to see how steve reacts when someone snipes back at him. I fear it won't happen though.

[Shasown]

Thats all fair and well, and fine I suppose, but you can still have a go at him if he's older and has his injuries, they are all (or should be) judged as equals, but they are not..It took until the final 4 weeks with mikey from scotland before anyone had the nuts to have a pop at him and his attitude, and that was just rex, I don't want to see all that again, I wan't to see how steve reacts when someone snipes back at him. I fear it won't happen though.

You never know, thing is even if you watch live feed while the housemates are up and about, you still wont see or hear everything that happens in the house, just what the producers decide to stream.

Consequently we dont really know if the comments about him being like a father are genuinely because he is that way or simply because of his age and maturity.

[Frank E]

Because it seems on here that you can't have a negative view point on steve because he has injuries from his time in the army!

No there are a wide range of opinions expressed on this forum and other BB forums about Steve so I don't think the above point is valid.

I've said a fair bit about some choices in his lifestyle (doesn't fancy sitting at a desk, 8 children, tattoos before mobility aids ...) and no one has pulled me up on it.

The Housemates may be including Steve as a Godwin clause to manipulate other HMs or strengthen their arguments.

Dave asking for public pledge on television for legs for Steve
Corin in Diary Room "They moved Steve's mattress"
Nathan "you damaged Steve's medical equipment"

Corin's statement stood out the most as she hasn't in my limited viewing stepped into disputes and favoured one side.

Are many other HMs going to use Steves name to manipulate?

[Zippy]

Steve's legs have stealth technology to keep him under the radar, he wants to win most of all the HMs I think. I remember he mentioned its a struggle with 8-9 kids however many he has, so 100k would be massive help for him and his family, thats why he is there, he will come alive once get to final few weeks to give himself a shot of winning, but by then someone like Ben, Josie, Corin will be likely winner

They will all want to win increasingly as they get nearer to the final. Steve has more genuine need for the money than the others. Not saying that he should win but its not a crime for him to want to provide for his huge family and also buy disability equipment to make life a bit easier.

I dont think he will win but I still hope he makes money somehow. He's putting his disabilities out there for all to gawp at and showing that life can still be worth living even when half your body is blown up. Which makes him a hundred times more worthy than the other shallow fame seekers.

[eviled2010]

Threads about Steve are fine so long as chickenhawks who think it is just dandy to blow up foreigners in other countries with their high tech weapons and have personal family cannon fodder in the army. As soon as they are opposed the threads are closed.
That is not fair or balanced.

[flamingGalah!]

Threads about Steve are fine so long as chickenhawks who think it is just dandy to blow up foreigners in other countries with their high tech weapons and have personal family cannon fodder in the army. As soon as they are opposed the threads are closed.
That is not fair or balanced.

Don't be so ignorant... :nono:

[eviled2010]

Ignorant? How ironic!

[flamingGalah!]

Ignorant? How ironic!

You are being both ignorant & offensive on matters you clearly don't know a great deal about...

[SoFarSoGood282]

I just see him as Steve the very dull HM....
How he got injured has nothing to do with BB!

[eviled2010]

You are being both ignorant & offensive on matters you clearly don't know a great deal about...

The irony is I am the one actually asking for these guys to be brought home from a purely imperialist war, to the safety of their own country.
You on the other hand are willing to fight to the last drop of their blood for your imagined safety.
I am just at a loss that there is anyone left out there that think these guys are doing anything other than killing Afghans or Iraqis for noble reasons.
Un fekkin believable idiots!!

[flamingGalah!]

The irony is I am the one actually asking for these guys to be brought home from a purely imperialist war, to the safety of their own country.
You on the other hand are willing to fight to the last drop of their blood for your imagined safety.
I am just at a loss that there is anyone left out there that think these guys are doing anything other than killing Afghans or Iraqis for noble reasons.
Un fekkin believable idiots!!

I didn't say I agree with the war in Iraq & Afghanistan, I agree that our troops should be bought home... I never said otherwise...

What I think is offensive is that you know a forum member has a relative out there & you are mocking it & basically baiting them about it, that is not cool or clever... :nono:

[eviled2010]

I just see him as Steve the very dull HM....
How he got injured has nothing to do with BB!

Well you might think that, but certain people are using him to support illegal wars and brandishing resistance fighters as terrorists. I doubt even Steve would like that.

[eviled2010]

I didn't say I agree with the war in Iraq & Afghanistan, I agree that our troops should be bought home... I never said otherwise...

What I think is offensive is that you know a forum member has a relative out there & you are mocking it & basically baiting them about it, that is not cool or clever... :nono:

Ok, thanks for bringing a note of civility.
That forum member you mention (who I think you mean) attacked me from my very first post on this issue a few days ago...insults and heckling and the thread got closed.
I am afraid when it comes to the deaths of innocent people, the feelings of a forum member who promotes the military in its illegal wars come pretty low down on my list of sensitivities.

[Shasown]

The irony is I am the one actually asking for these guys to be brought home from a purely imperialist war, to the safety of their own country.
You on the other hand are willing to fight to the last drop of their blood for your imagined safety.
I am just at a loss that there is anyone left out there that think these guys are doing anything other than killing Afghans or Iraqis for noble reasons.
Un fekkin believable idiots!!

Whether or not you feel the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq are just or not, simple common sense should tell you, you cant just pull out the troops and bring them home. Any sort of withdrawal has to be carried out over an extended period.

[billy123]

Threads about Steve are fine so long as chickenhawks who think it is just dandy to blow up foreigners in other countries with their high tech weapons and have personal family cannon fodder in the army. As soon as they are opposed the threads are closed.
That is not fair or balanced.
thats one huge chip you have on your shoulder there it must get very tiring carrying that about with you everywhere you go.
i think you should grow up your the one that once again has dragged this topic down into the gutter and tried to make it personal shame on you your parents must be so proud :crazy::crazy:

[Shasown]

Well you might think that, but certain people are using him to support illegal wars and brandishing resistance fighters as terrorists. I doubt even Steve would like that.

Resistance fighters? Oh you mean members of proscribed organisations, defined under UN listings?

[flamingGalah!]

Ok, thanks for bringing a note of civility.
That forum member you mention (who I think you mean) attacked me from my very first post on this issue a few days ago...insults and heckling and the thread got closed.
I am afraid when it comes to the deaths of innocent people, the feelings of a forum member who promotes the military in its illegal wars come pretty low down on my list of sensitivities.

But plenty of British soldiers are being killed too, on an almost daily basis...

If someone has been rude or attacked you then it is better to rise above it, as your comment about them makes you look far worse than them...

They are obviously proud of their relative & I imagine very concerned all the time they are out there, so I think it would be good to remember that, whatever your personal feeling on the war out there is...

[eviled2010]

Whether or not you feel the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq are just or not, simple common sense should tell you, you cant just pull out the troops and bring them home. Any sort of withdrawal has to be carried out over an extended period.

Depends on what version of reality you believe is actually happening there.
We have no business there. What do you think we are there for...honestly?
The Russians withdrew...the Afghans got on with it...then the CIA pumped more money and Mujahideen military training in and hey presto, we are in there in the same capacity as the Russians were.
You know its true...just don't defend it!

[eviled2010]

Resistance fighters? Oh you mean members of proscribed organisations, defined under UN listings?

Yes put Nelson Mandela back in prison then...Idiot!
:xyxwave:

[Shasown]

Depends on what version of reality you believe is actually happening there.
We have no business there. What do you think we are there for...honestly?
The Russians withdrew...the Afghans got on with it...then the CIA pumped more money and Mujahideen military training in and hey presto, we are in there in the same capacity as the Russians were.
You know its true...just don't defend it!

You have a very jaundiced and inaccurate view of the history of that particular region.

The reason we are there now, is allegedly to remove the Taliban, factually it is the reason the Americans decided to go in and we supported them.

The reason for the removal of the Taliban, well there are many reasons given, however its probably a mixture of all the reasons quoted by various experts, not least of all would be securing the area for some sort of construction. Should imagine it may get announced within the next 3-5 years.

[Shasown]

Depends on what version of reality you believe is actually happening there.
We have no business there. What do you think we are there for...honestly?
The Russians withdrew...the Afghans got on with it...then the CIA pumped more money and Mujahideen military training in and hey presto, we are in there in the same capacity as the Russians were.
You know its true...just don't defend it!

I would suggest you get a decent book on the 20th century history of the area or you could look online for references, be careful though there are some inaccurate ones. Look at when and why the Taliban came to power.

[eviled2010]

I would suggest you get a decent book on the 20th century history of the area or you could look online for references, be careful though there are some inaccurate ones. Look at when and why the Taliban came to power.

You throw around terms like the "The Taliban".
The term "Taliban" is itself part of this war since there are in fact many groups fighting the occupation, the vast majority of which are native Afghans. Western governments ( and idiot media followers like your good self) favour the term Taliban since it distracts us from the fact that ordinary Afghans are fighting us, and many of them are not "Taliban" at all. Words like Propaganda are deleted from the dictionary and replaced with terms like "winning hearts and minds". Mercenaries suddenly become "Private Military Contractors". The mainstream media dutifully joins in this game of word warfare.
If you haven't a decent analysis to contribute, them do us all a favour and but out. Repeating government propaganda is boring, the BBC do it so much better.

[Parmy]

whats happened to ma thread!!

I've been watching live feed wetting my pants at ben and jj's banter, comeback and it's descended into oneupmanship.Cant you guys keep it to pm's when it starts getting into long winded war arguments about who's right and wrong about the history of bloody afgahnistan for heavens sake. Even though it is interesting to read and pretty informative it is after all a bb forum.

[Shasown]

Yes put Nelson Mandela back in prison then...Idiot!
:xyxwave:

Sticks and stones may break my bones cause I have osteoporosis

[setanta]

whats happened to ma thread!!

I've been watching live feed wetting my pants at ben and jj's banter, comeback and it's descended into oneupmanship.Cant you guys keep it to pm's when it starts getting into long winded war arguments about who's right and wrong about the history of bloody afgahnistan for heavens sake. Even though it is interesting to read and pretty informative it is after all a bb forum.

Sure where's the fun in that? I personally love when discussions go off on random tangents.

[Shasown]

You throw around terms like the "The Taliban".
The term "Taliban" is itself part of this war since there are in fact many groups fighting the occupation, the vast majority of which are native Afghans. Western governments ( and idiot media followers like your good self) favour the term Taliban since it distracts us from the fact that ordinary Afghans are fighting us, and many of them are not "Taliban" at all. Words like Propaganda are deleted from the dictionary and replaced with terms like "winning hearts and minds". Mercenaries suddenly become "Private Military Contractors". The mainstream media dutifully joins in this game of word warfare.
If you haven't a decent analysis to contribute, them do us all a favour and but out. Repeating government propaganda is boring, the BBC do it so much better.

No the Taliban or more correctly Taleban was initially a grouping of Pushtan tribesmen, who in due course gained control over the country. They became a political force through seizing power. They are Sunni Islamists.

Since the American led invasion there numbers have been swelled by ****stani, Uzbecks, Arabs, Chechen and other muslim nationals.

There are of course other groups that fight against the coalition forces some aligned with the taleban, others arent and will never align with them.

Having worked in the area I think I know maybe just a little bit more than a self styled wolfie smith who has educated himself by using google and taking what the BBC etc throw out and turning it on its head.

Incidentally a lot of the PMC's as you call them are in fact ex US special forces on retainers from the US government or SAD units from their intelligence organisations.

[eviled2010]

Having worked in the area....

Ah of course you have, you must be a really hard worker fitting in all that work in a war zone and writing 6 thousand plus posts on the BB forums!
I am going to dine out on that one!

:cheer2::elephant::cheer2:

[Shasown]

Ah of course you have, you must be a really hard worker fitting in all that work in a war zone and writing 6 thousand plus posts on the BB forums!
I am going to dine out on that one!

:cheer2::elephant::cheer2:

Gee do you think its possible that in the eight and a half years since the Americans and Northern Alliance overthrew the Taleban government some people have gone out there and actually come back to the UK?

Its not just been happening in the last year mate regardless of when you first heard about it.

[eviled2010]

Serious question....you think British forces are there for benevolent reasons or for realpolitik?

[Shasown]

Serious question....you think British forces are there for benevolent reasons or for realpolitik?

Serious answer, they went in initiallyin 2001 , in support of the Yanks. Things kicked off again in the area in 2006 after the number of our forces over there was scaled down. However now they are mired in and cant just withdraw because a power vacuum would be left, because the reformed Afghan Army and Police wouldnt be able to retain control for a variety of reasons.

It wasnt about benevolence to the Afghan people, there were numerous tactical and strategic reasons for the scaling up of assets in the area after 2006. The primary objective of the forces is simply to reduce and eventually remove insurgent actions in the area. The political reasoning behind that probably wont ever be released, things will just develop.