i think dave is kinda homophobic

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

when they were in the nest and ben said he didnt know why mario was always being stroppy with him dave said it was because he kept rejecting his advances and he needs to keep doing that... is that homophobic?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

its like he is trying to brainwash ben

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

and dont say 'oh he cant be homophobic he likes mario' because that is balls. i dont like old people but i like my nan

[fingers]

its like he is trying to brainwash ben

That's what New Ecstatics do!!

[fingers]

and dont say 'oh he cant be homophobic he likes mario' because that is balls. i dont like old people but i like my nan

Nah, he thinks Mario is a Good Bhwoy, Good Bhwoy!:dance:

[MaratSafinForever]

He's actually right, that's clear for all to see, you're just nitpicking. Why else would Mario be so petty all the time around Ben, over things like an apple? It's typical behaviour of somebody who's been rejected and can't handle it.

[WOMBAI]

when they were in the nest and ben said he didnt know why mario was always being stroppy with him dave said it was because he kept rejecting his advances and he needs to keep doing that... is that homophobic?

Another subject that has been done to death! :sleep: No he isn't - of course he needs to keep doing it if he isn't interested, which he isn't! Otherwise he would be leading him on! Another person reading homophobia into everything! :sleep:

[fingers]

Another subject that has been done to death! :sleep: No he isn't - of course he needs to keep doing it if he isn't interested, which he isn't! Otherwise he would be leading him on! Another person reading homophobia into everything! :sleep:

Time for another dose of Jesus Juice from the Merry Monk, lol

[amy-jaynee]

I agree with dave, mario takes things to heart and gets defensive with ben, and its only because ben doesn't fancy him back. As someone else has mentioned,,,all that over an apple really?

[vesavius]

when they were in the nest and ben said he didnt know why mario was always being stroppy with him dave said it was because he kept rejecting his advances and he needs to keep doing that... is that homophobic?

Dave is actually clearly homophobic. He clearly thinks gay is wrong and that the bible says its wrong.


He thinks they can be 'redeemed' though, and that although the act itself is wrong the person inside is 'rescuable'. He moves amongst them, as Jesus moved amongst the sinful, in order to bring them back into 'God's Glory'.

He dosent hate people, he thinks every man is still basically good in his heart and not lost to god, but he openly admits the act of homosexuality is a bad thing.

[GiRTh]

and dont say 'oh he cant be homophobic he likes mario' because that is balls. i dont like old people but i like my nanFunniest comment ever. Would you like your nan of she was someone else's nan?

If Dave is deeply religious then he must be homophobic. But, as is always the case with idiotic prejudices now he's met someone who he's supposed to hate has found that he actually quite likes him. This could also explain why you like your nan Simon.

I do think he's right about Mario though. Mario is far too sensitive toward Ben. He made a play and cant handle rejection.

[Blueisthecolour]

If Dave is deeply religious then he must be homophobic.


That's harsh, in fact it's not true, in fact it's rubbish.

I don't know whether Dave is "Homophobic", I don't think so personally, but I may be wrong.

But to say all religious people MUST be "Homophobic" has got to be nonsense.

[GiRTh]

That's harsh, in fact it's not true, in fact it's rubbish.

I don't know whether Dave is "Homophobic", I don't think so personally, but I may be wrong.

But to say all religious people MUST be "Homophobic" has got to be nonsense.If he believes what he reads in the bible. I said deeply religious and here is what the bible says about homosexuality.

Leviticus 18 and 20 :
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Chapter and verse.

[DigitalSid]

No, he's not.

[vesavius]

I don't know whether Dave is "Homophobic", I don't think so personally, but I may be wrong.


I gave the reasons he is homophobic in the post before the one you quoted.

[Visage]

Nope, I certainly don't get the impression he is.

[vesavius]

No, he's not.

Yet, in this thread it has been clearly explained why he is.

[vesavius]

Nope, I certainly don't get the impression he is.

Again, it has been clearly explained that he is.

[Shiloh]

and dont say 'oh he cant be homophobic he likes mario' because that is balls. i dont like old people but i like my nan

:laugh:

And on to the subject at hand, Dave meant for Ben not to lead Mario on. Dave could easily be homophobic but that isn't a homophobic comment.

[CaudleHalbard]

Dave is one of those "Love the sinner but hate the sin" Christians.

Actually, deep down, they hate the sinner too. Usually because of unresolved issues around their own sexuality. ;)

[Blueisthecolour]

Again, it has been clearly explained that, in my opinion, which is only my opinion, an opinion that may be shared by other people, but is still only an opinion and not a fact, because I and anybody else who isn't Dave himself have no way of knowing for certain one way or another...he is.


I've sorted that for you.

[BBAroudtheGlobe]

No, he's not.

I concur.


Although certain person in the house keeps antagonizing him to make him appear that he is. It's very rude.

[bananarama]

Some are confusing beliefs with attitudes.......Someone with a belief is not homophobic. Someone with an attitude is.......

I am not religious by any means but if a person has a religious belief and that belief indicates that certain activities are wrong according to the religion then all that Dave is doing is following to the letter his religion......Most would respect the fact people have a right to beliefs even if one does not agree with them......

Personal attitudes are a different kettel of fish altogether......I'm defending Dave and I don't even like him....What i am defending is another persons right to their belief without being labelled by the short sighted holier than though brigade.........Beliefs are often wrong but that does not mean people are villains because they have them....They are just misguided......As far as we know!!!!!!!!

[vesavius]

I've sorted that for you.

It's an opinion based on heard statements that have come from Dave's own mouth.

You should try debating stuff instead of pathetically changing the words of other posters if they don't suit you.



Let me repost it here again, to keep the point clear, despite our efforts to muddy the waters because you have no counter point;


Dave is actually clearly homophobic. He clearly thinks gay is wrong and that the bible says its wrong.


He thinks they can be 'redeemed' though, and that although the act itself is wrong the person inside is 'rescuable'. He moves amongst them, as Jesus moved amongst the sinful, in order to bring them back into 'God's Glory'.

He dosent hate people, he thinks every man is still basically good in his heart and not lost to god, but he openly admits the act of homosexuality is a bad thing.

[vesavius]

Dave is one of those "Love the sinner but hate the sin" Christians.

Actually, deep down, they hate the sinner too. Usually because of unresolved issues around their own sexuality. ;)

Exactly. He thinks the act of being gay is against God, but that those indulging in it can be 'rescued'.

He believes gays are sinners.

[Peter Plunker]

A phobia is an irrational fear of something. I don't think Dave fears homosexuals. It's just a term that has been banded about for a few years for anyone that voices disapproval with homosexuality. It's a term designed to put people on a guilt trip.

[fingers]

In any case he doesn't read the Old Testament, he picks and chooses what to read (the gospels) so he is not a pukka Christian, in fact he is simply a New Ecstatic cultist!

Same as his mate and apologist Pete Plonker.

[Blueisthecolour]

despite our efforts to muddy the waters because you have no counter point;

But I don't need a counter point because I have one opinion and you have another. Neither of us knows who is right or wrong, the difference is that I accept that but you can't.

What is a bit pathetic is to have an opinion but insist that it is a fact just because you've convinced yourself that it is.

I was just trying to point out that you appear to be confusing fact and opinion.

When you say that clearly Dave is homophobic and it has been proven that he is and that all religious people must be homophobes...you're wrong.

You may have those opinions, that's your right. But it doesn't make you right in a factual way.

[arista]

Dave is a Bible nutter
so of course he avoids Gays.

[Sticks]

According to Biblical injunctions in both Old and New Testaments, homosexual acts are regarded as sinful, as such if Dave is a Christian then he is not able to endorse such a lifestyle any more than he could endorse the lifestyle of someone who engages in prostitution or someone who carries all sorts of dodges to avoid paying their taxes.

True homophobia would include such things as physical assault or threatening behaviour and spreading falsehoods about the targeted individual. Those activities would also not be endorsed by scripture.

I am not aware of Dave engaging in such activities towards Mario

[newspresenter]

when they were in the nest and ben said he didnt know why mario was always being stroppy with him dave said it was because he kept rejecting his advances and he needs to keep doing that... is that homophobic?
homophobia
noun
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people

So thats yes he is, and no he aint depending what you believe constitutes extreme and irrational.

If Dave wants to believe that being gay is irrational, then i will support him, even though i don't like him.

We shouldn't persecute people for having an opinion that is meant in a harmless way.

[vesavius]

But I don't need a counter point because I have one opinion and you have another... all religious people must be homophobes...you're wrong.
You may have those opinions, that's your right. But it doesn't make you right in a factual way.

I never said all religious people are homophobes. You cleary didnt understand what i said and that clearly explains why you failed to come up with a counter argument, instead resorting to editing my statement to say something else.


Are you really tell me that supported opinions shouldnt be debated? That they shouldnt be challanged and that every opinion (no matter how ill informed or groundless it happens to be) is valid as the next?

[boomoo]

Dave is one of those "Love the sinner but hate the sin" Christians.

Actually, deep down, they hate the sinner too. Usually because of unresolved issues around their own sexuality. ;)

Well that is easy to say but difficult to prove.

I am totally against abortion at any stage. Does that mean I hate a woman who has had an abortion. Absolutely not.

It is possible to separate the two things.

Exactly why should people be labelled as being any kind of phobic because we do not agree with something.
I have never agreed with the persecution of homosexuals. But I do object to the way society is now going after people who still believe that it was not meant to be. Where would the population be without heterosexuals.

[boomoo]

According to Biblical injunctions in both Old and New Testaments, homosexual acts are regarded as sinful, as such if Dave is a Christian then he is not able to endorse such a lifestyle any more than he could endorse the lifestyle of someone who engages in prostitution or someone who carries all sorts of dodges to avoid paying their taxes.

True homophobia would include such things as physical assault or threatening behaviour and spreading falsehoods about the targeted individual. Those activities would also not be endorsed by scripture.

I am not aware of Dave engaging in such activities towards Mario

Absolutely correct. Dave has never said one bad word against Mario. I cannot understand why people cannot see it is just as bad attacking Dave for being a Christian as someone attacking Mario for his sexual preference.
My wonder is why cannot Mario take no for an answer. Surely Dave would be giving the same advice if it was a girl persuing Ben if Ben did not like her.

[vesavius]

True homophobia would include such things as physical assault or threatening behaviour and spreading falsehoods about the targeted individual. Those activities would also not be endorsed by scripture.

I am not aware of Dave engaging in such activities towards Mario

No, not at all.

There are many many passive homophobes, just are there are many many passive racists. Neither threatening behaviour or violence defines homophobia.

Hate and fear is very often hidden beneath a calm smiling face.

Spreading 'falsehood' could easily be telling gays they won't get into heaven, because the bible says their actions are wrong, and are therefore, by implication, damned.

[Frank E]

Dave is one of those "Love the sinner but hate the sin" Christians.;)

That's a central tenet of xianity.


Actually, deep down, they hate the sinner too. Usually because of unresolved issues around their own sexuality. ;)

That's perceived and is nonsense.

[WOMBAI]

Dave is one of those "Love the sinner but hate the sin" Christians.

Actually, deep down, they hate the sinner too. Usually because of unresolved issues around their own sexuality. ;)

Oh please - now Dave is a secret homosexual! Give us strength ...! :joker:

[eye sea]

Who cares if he's homophobic.

[EzzaB]

No i dont thinki Dave is a homophobe , just a very confused person lmao