Steve is typical of a brainwashed soldier

[newspresenter]

They think just because they 'fought for 'their' country', they're more entitled to an opinion than others, and have a better more informed opinion.

I have first hand experience of a brainwashed soldier relative who fought in Basra.

If what british soldiers do were that great, they wouldn't be earning a measely £400 a week.

[GiRTh]

I have personal knowledge of a relative who fought in the Falklands and can say you're 100% wrong.

[fingers]

Steve is just as thick as Pigsh!t

[newspresenter]

I have personal knowledge of a relative who fought in the Falklands and can say you're 100% wrong.

Maybe its certain soldiers then, however, they all believe what they're doing is for the good of the country. And also, many retired soldiers have said its a waste of time.

[Alpertinator]

If what british soldiers do were that great, they wouldn't be earning a measely £400 a week.

I'm sorry, but... so you're implying that the salary signifies how great the people are? So actors, Paris Hilton, and porn stars, are better than the armed forces? The salary doesn't mean anything.

[Livia]

I have personal knowledge of a relative who fought in the Falklands and can say you're 100% wrong.

I find myself continually agreeing with your posts GiRTh. The OP's opinion is his own, albeit blinkered and inflamatory, but I wouldn't mind betting he wouldn't be voicing it in the company of a serviceman. It's easy to be brave on the Internet.

[smudgie]

:nono::nono: They edited out his mammoth strop. Much more of the same with a few eff words thrown in for free.

[WOMBAI]

They think just because they 'fought for 'their' country', they're more entitled to an opinion than others, and have a better more informed opinion.

I have first hand experience of a brainwashed soldier relative who fought in Basra.

If what british soldiers do were that great, they wouldn't be earning a measely £400 a week.

You could say the same about nurses, teachers etc - public service generally isn't that well paid - doesn't mean they don't deserve more - of course they do - the government are just tight - and pay all their money to their MPs for their expenses! :hugesmile:

[WOMBAI]

Steve is just as thick as Pigsh!t

He isn't the only one then!

[chuff me dizzy]

I am a MASSIVE supporter of each and every member of the armed forces ,but I agreed with Ben ,We need to stop policing the world ,enough soldiers have lost their lives on foreign soil

[GiRTh]

I find myself continually agreeing with your posts GiRTh. The OP's opinion is his own, albeit blinkered and inflamatory, but I wouldn't mind betting he wouldn't be voicing it in the company of a serviceman. It's easy to be brave on the Internet.Aye. They're all Foreign policy experts on the net.

[GiRTh]

I am a MASSIVE supporter of each and every member of the armed forces ,but I agreed with Ben ,We need to stop policing the world ,enough soldiers have lost their lives on foreign soilThat might be true now but was it rue back then of a leader who had already invaded Poland and Russia?

[WOMBAI]

I'm sorry, but... so you're implying that the salary signifies how great the people are? So actors, Paris Hilton, and porn stars, are better than the armed forces? The salary doesn't mean anything.

Exactly!

[WOMBAI]

I am a MASSIVE supporter of each and every member of the armed forces ,but I agreed with Ben ,We need to stop policing the world ,enough soldiers have lost their lives on foreign soil

This!

[Livia]

Aye. They're all Foreign policy experts on the net.

Experts... yes. 'Ex' as in 'has-been' and 'spurt' as in 'a drip under pressure'.

[Shiloh]

I'm sorry, but... so you're implying that the salary signifies how great the people are? So actors, Paris Hilton, and porn stars, are better than the armed forces? The salary doesn't mean anything.

This.

[WOMBAI]

They think just because they 'fought for 'their' country', they're more entitled to an opinion than others, and have a better more informed opinion.

I have first hand experience of a brainwashed soldier relative who fought in Basra.

If what british soldiers do were that great, they wouldn't be earning a measely £400 a week.

I think newspresenters are brainwashed ! :hugesmile:

[newspresenter]

I'm sorry, but... so you're implying that the salary signifies how great the people are? So actors, Paris Hilton, and porn stars, are better than the armed forces? The salary doesn't mean anything.

No, its not about the human, its about what they do. Risking your life for £400 a week is ridiculous, hence the brainwashing that goes on to get them to do it.

[GiRTh]

No, its not about the human, its about what they do. Risking your life for £400 a week is ridiculous, hence the brainwashing that goes on to get them to do it.You have personal experience of this brain washing, right?

[newspresenter]

I find myself continually agreeing with your posts GiRTh. The OP's opinion is his own, albeit blinkered and inflamatory, but I wouldn't mind betting he wouldn't be voicing it in the company of a serviceman. It's easy to be brave on the Internet.

I did, with my relative, he was going to attack me had someone not stepped in. They simply cannot handle someone exposing them.

[chuff me dizzy]

That might be true now but was it rue back then of a leader who had already invaded Poland and Russia?

Ben was talking more about now ,and we are Americas lapdog ,America say jump we ask how high

[GiRTh]

Ben was talking more about now ,and we are Americas lapdog ,America say jump we ask how highIf he was on about now then I agree with him but I got the impression he was referring to WWII. I dont recall him mentioning America at all.

[Livia]

I did, with my relative, he was going to attack me had someone not stepped in. They simply cannot handle someone exposing them.

Someone like you, you mean?

If you took the same attitude with your relative that you've taken on this thread, it's lucky someone stepped in to save you, eh?

[GiRTh]

I did, with my relative, he was going to attack me had someone not stepped in. They simply cannot handle someone exposing them.Exposing what exactly? How can you show your relative so little respect just to score points in a discussion?

[newspresenter]

If you took the same attitude with your relative that you've taken on this thread, it's lucky someone stepped in to save you, eh?

I wouldn't have minded taking a punch from him, it might've made him see what a foolish thing he believes in. We were at a funeral reception by the way, my niece's. At the end of the night, he shook my hand, i noticed he'd had a word with his dad previous.

[Livia]

I wouldn't have minded taking a punch from him, it might've made him see what a foolish thing he believes in. We were at a funeral reception by the way, my niece's. At the end of the night, he shook my hand, i noticed he'd had a word with his dad previous.

Nice moment you chose to make your point.

Enough. Life's too short not to have an 'ignore' list.

[WOMBAI]

No, its not about the human, its about what they do. Risking your life for £400 a week is ridiculous, hence the brainwashing that goes on to get them to do it.

You are sooo wrong! Not everyone is totally mercenary in their outlook - some do their jobs for other reasons other than money, or is that something totally beyond your comprehension? Things like job satisfaction and helping others come to mind! :rolleyes:

[chuff me dizzy]

If he was on about now then I agree with him but I got the impression he was referring to WWII. I dont recall him mentioning America at all.

Ben didnt ,but he said we cannot go on policing the world and we cannot

[newspresenter]

Exposing what exactly? How can you show your relative so little respect just to score points in a discussion?

Exposing the falseness of the war. How mentally unstable does one have to be to believe that risking your life for £400 a week is ok, madness.

I would much prefer our troops patrol british streets catching illegals and other bad people, then i'd get something for the taxes i contribute.

[GiRTh]

Ben didnt ,but he said we cannot go on policing the world and we cannotHe's right about that but he specifically mentioned WWII and the fact that we were not personally threatened.

[GiRTh]

Exposing the falseness of the war. How mentally unstable does one have to be to believe that risking your life for £400 a week is ok, madness.

I would much prefer our troops patrol british streets catching illegals and other bad people, then i'd get something for the taxes i contribute.Catching illegals? That says a lot about you if you think that's so important.

[WOMBAI]

I wouldn't have minded taking a punch from him, it might've made him see what a foolish thing he believes in. We were at a funeral reception by the way, my niece's. At the end of the night, he shook my hand, i noticed he'd had a word with his dad previous.

Maybe you made another ignorant comment that provoked him - sounds like a real possibility to me!

[chuff me dizzy]

He's right about that but he specifically mentioned WWII and the fact that we were not personally threatened.

Ben reads ,Steve would struggle to

[newspresenter]

You are sooo wrong! Not everyone is totally mercenary in their outlook - some do their jobs for other reasons other than money, or is that something totally beyond your comprehension? Things like job satisfaction and helping others come to mind! :rolleyes:

The reports and personal expressions coming from soldiers in iraq/afghanistan are that they're risking their lives, yes, some think they're doing good, some have, but generally they're not.

I cannot think of one good thing the people in britain have gained from this.

[GiRTh]

Ben reads ,Steve would struggle toConsidering Ben reads you'd think he's be more intelligent but it just goes to show there are some thing you cant get from book learning.

[fruit_cake]

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

[BitterFruit]

I am a MASSIVE supporter of each and every member of the armed forces ,but I agreed with Ben ,We need to stop policing the world ,enough soldiers have lost their lives on foreign soil

you are right but I think he lost the arguement by including WWII into the mix.....we may not have fully realised it at the time but because of true evil of Nazism , WWII was probably the most moral and necessary war we have fought

[GiRTh]

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!Oh. My. God.

[WOMBAI]

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

Tell that to the Taliban! Dictators would rule the world with no one to stand up to them!

[newspresenter]

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

Due to human behaviour, we need them.

The first job of government is to protect the nations people, they're not doing this in iraq/afghanistan.

[Beetrum]

Nice moment you chose to make your point.

Enough. Life's too short not to have an 'ignore' list.

You and your stupid ignore list really need to go away. I'll be on that list with pride.

[chuff me dizzy]

The reports and personal expressions coming from soldiers in iraq/afghanistan are that they're risking their lives, yes, some think they're doing good, some have, but generally they're not.

I cannot think of one good thing the people in britain have gained from this.

As the Aunty of a serving soldier I totally agree with you ,iraq,Afghanistan wars have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorists ,its about OIL and 300 UK soldiers have died for it ,No more

[brian3]

They think just because they 'fought for 'their' country', they're more entitled to an opinion than others, and have a better more informed opinion.

I have first hand experience of a brainwashed soldier relative who fought in Basra.

If what british soldiers do were that great, they wouldn't be earning a measely £400 a week.

If you ask me Ben is the brainwashed upper class god save our qeen a country toff.

[newspresenter]

you are right but I think he lost the arguement by including WWII into the mix.....we may not have fully realised it at the time but because of true evil of Nazism , WWII was probably the most moral and necessary war we have fought

Nazism was supported by Prescott Bush, then 'America' + Bush joined the war against Adolf, makes you wonder who the enemy is.

Also, Adolf often made the point that he loved the british.

Was 'nazism' organised to justify war?

[Mr XcX]

I thought Ben talked alot of BS. Steve was wrong though to say he insulted all the dead soldiers.

[WOMBAI]

You and your stupid ignore list really need to go away. I'll be on that list with pride.

I think half the forum will be on there by the end of the series - she waves her ignore list around like a flag! Good luck to her! Ha, ha! :joker: Unfortunately she won't read this - as I'm already on there apparently! He,he!

[bansheewails]

I read books about serial killers, that does not mean that I am one or an expert on them. Ben assumes that Steve doesn't read and because of those assumptions thinks Steve's view is less valid than his own.

If ben did read about the causes of the war, he would know that Nevile failed in his attempt at peace with Hitler. Hitler was going to war no matter what and a treaty with britain wasn't going to stop him!

I happen to believe that the Iraq war was started illegally, on the whim of a US president who, lets face it, was a bit dim. But Ben has foot in mouth disease and should have put his view across more tactfully.

[chuff me dizzy]

Lets not forget Steve(Action Man/Gi Joe ) served a maximum of 2 years in the army

[MeMyselfAndI]

hes been slowly going down for me
i dislike him and almost hate him

[Toast]

Steve wasn't fighting for 'His' country, or anyone else's - he was in occupied territory, acting as a peace keeper between two opposing factions of society.

[Incensed]

They think just because they 'fought for 'their' country', they're more entitled to an opinion than others, and have a better more informed opinion.

I have first hand experience of a brainwashed soldier relative who fought in Basra.

If what british soldiers do were that great, they wouldn't be earning a measely £400 a week.

May I ask have you laid your life on the line for your Country?

[GiRTh]

Lets not forget Steve(Action Man/Gi Joe ) served a maximum of 2 years in the armywhats that got to do with anything? It was long enough for him to lose both legs.

[WOMBAI]

Steve wasn't fighting for 'His' country, or anyone else's - he was in occupied territory, acting as a peace keeper between two opposing factions of society.

A dangerous job by anybody's standards -and he paid a hefty price - pretty much amounts to the same thing - he was injured doing his duty as a soldier! Brave man in my book!

[newspresenter]

May I ask have you laid your life on the line for your Country?

Not in the sense you refer to. But i would for the sake of the prosperity of the English, i wouldn't need paying for it either.

[WOMBAI]

Not in the sense you refer to. But i would for the sake of the prosperity of the English, i wouldn't need paying for it either.

Talk is cheap!

[Tessier Ashpool]

Lots of my friends are active forces and most of them try not to think to about the political realities, they are simply a tool, a shield and deterrent which is vital for the security of the UK. They can't choose the battles.

They are what I think of as true citizens and deserve respect from all of us. I would like to say they're opinions should be held in a higher regard, but the reality is that they are no more enlightened than anyone else. Like any group of people there are some assholes in the mix.

But you can hardly call them brainwashed, you don't join the army to get rich :) .

[Incensed]

Steve wasn't fighting for 'His' country, or anyone else's - he was in occupied territory, acting as a peace keeper between two opposing factions of society.

That's a fair comment, so I'll rephrase my question to the OP. Are you a Soldier, male or female, who has come under fire or been in a situation where your life was threatened because of being in the forces?

[newspresenter]

Talk is cheap!

Irony.

Well this country's in a desperate state, the English have been trodden on bigtime and continue to be so, the English are waking up, at some point somethings got to give because the English love our land more than the others.

[Incensed]

Not in the sense you refer to. But i would for the sake of the prosperity of the English, i wouldn't need paying for it either.

Then in which sense have you laid down your life? If you can't reply to that, then fair enough.

[Kazanne]

If he was on about now then I agree with him but I got the impression he was referring to WWII. I dont recall him mentioning America at all.

He did mention America because i remember him saying about them coming in late.

[newspresenter]

Then in which sense have you laid down your life? If you can't reply to that, then fair enough.

There hasn't been a situation in which to do so. Ask me after that situation arises.

[GiRTh]

He did mention America because i remember him saying about them coming in late.So he mentioned America in reference to WWI? There you go, he was specifically talking about WWII and not modern times.