lol @ andrew owning dave in the snug...

[vesavius]

Andrew is just talking to the guy straight, about time someone did. Dave's views have been a sacred cow for far too long in there.


Dave: 'what would you say to the guy that levitated'?

Andrew: 'that it didnt happen'


Go on andrew :joker:

[paper-cut-exit]

Trying to say his friend levitates every day of his life lol

Yeah right Dave you Fuk'n bullsh!ter :sleep:

[Josy]

Dave: "What about people that fly"

Andrew: "That was a film, it was called superman"


:laugh3::laugh3:

[billy123]

damn i was wanting to hear that conversation but jj and keeva were yapping over the top of them.

[Mr XcX]

DAVE is FAKE and a money grabbing fat *****. IMO. Like robbing hood. Steal from the poor give to the rich. Just to put his kids in Trinity. Andrew is right to expose this charlatan.

http://www.affiliatewatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/collegegraduate.jpg

"Your DOSH funds my education" said Dave's child.

[vesavius]

lol and Dave's only defense?

'I have friends that do that all the time...' yeah righto Dave :joker:


I found it interesting that Dave started off one of his stories by saying his friends had ministries that brought in 'hundreds of thousands of pounds yearly' as a way of validing them as 'real' sources.

Income from the cult is never far away from Dave's mind eh?

[Visage]

Andrew is just talking to the guy straight, about time someone did. Dave's views have been a sacred cow for far too long in there.


Dave: 'what would you say to the guy that levitated'?

Andrew: 'that it didnt happen'


Go on andrew :joker:

Ha ha ha!!

Brilliant :joker:

[eviled2010]

Instead of Andrew trying to explain away Dave's delusions, he should just ask the charlatan to prove it. Dave is the one making the extraordinary claims so he needs to provide extraordinary evidence to prove it!
All he ever does is say he had a friend that did this or that or that he did this or that. Anecdotal stories mean nothing.
Why aren't people asking him for proof and evidence ffs!

[vesavius]

Ha ha ha!!

Brilliant :joker:

LOL now Josie is ripping the cold piss out of Dave's 'drunkeness'

:joker:

[Jamietwo]

well done andrew. i'm not really liking daves false laughter manic god moments or his ersatz religion

[ElProximo]

David is not a 'charlatan' (see other topics) but sadly he actually believes he has seen or been provided evidence of these things.
David is not making money from all this nonsense.. you could make as much or more as an Insurance Salesman or nearly anything else.

I am happy someone is clearly explaining to him why these things are not happening. I do find its the best way to deal with these types.
Good for Andrew (though i haven't seen this convo yet).

[fingers]

Usually people who "see" things are regarded as mentally unstable and are sectioned for their and the public's own good!

[Niamh.]

Dave: "What about people that fly"

Andrew: "That was a film, it was called superman"


:laugh3::laugh3:

Did he really say that??? ahahahaha, Oh he's heading for being one of my favourites just for that alone!!!

[fingers]

Yep the perfect example of a Charlatan, and Channel 4 foist him on impressionable young people without an onscreen warning.

[HBB1508]

I was getting to like Dave but this full on "Angels pulling my legs" stuff is starting to annoy me now - good for Andrew is all I can say.

[fingers]

The following can indicate a delusion:

1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
3. Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.

See any connection here?

[ElProximo]

Yep the perfect example of a Charlatan, and Channel 4 foist him on impressionable young people without an onscreen warning.

You keep trying to bait me with 'Charlatan' despite actually posting a definition showing how dumb/lame you are,
but,
C4 has absolutely zero interest in warning anyone about Dave being in a cult and delusional because the very point and purpose is to use him as antichristian propaganda and especially to manipulate young, dumb and people named 'fingers' into leaving, avoiding or resenting Christianity.

I don't blame David. Its C4 and BB doing it.

[fingers]

You keep trying to bait me with 'Charlatan' despite actually posting a definition showing how dumb/lame you are,
but,
C4 has absolutely zero interest in warning anyone about Dave being in a cult and delusional because the very point and purpose is to use him as antichristian propaganda and especially to manipulate young, dumb and people named 'fingers' into leaving, avoiding or resenting Christianity.

I don't blame David. Its C4 and BB doing it.

You are attempting to "bait" me with your offensive and insulting comments on this Forum. It is hardly surprising that DS banned you.

[Toast]

damn i was wanting to hear that conversation but jj and keeva were yapping over the top of them.

Thats the producers way of a cop out. Not entirely cutting out the convo.

They have the ability to lower/raise the sound on mics...if they want that is.

[crit]

You keep trying to bait me with 'Charlatan' despite actually posting a definition showing how dumb/lame you are,
but,
C4 has absolutely zero interest in warning anyone about Dave being in a cult and delusional because the very point and purpose is to use him as antichristian propaganda and especially to manipulate young, dumb and people named 'fingers' into leaving, avoiding or resenting Christianity.

I don't blame David. Its C4 and BB doing it.


Is english your 2nd language?

Anyway im hoping Andrew does more of this and Josie takes the piss more openly and then the other HMs might not think Dave is sacrosanct and start challenging him when he starts his religiobabble.






.

[fingers]

Thats the producers way of a cop out. Not entirely cutting out the convo.

They have the ability to lower/raise the sound on mics...if they want that is.

It is called manipulating the viewers perception, they do it ALL the time with their selective censoring of bits they want to reserve for highlights or just to prevent viewers from getting a picture of what is happening e.g censoring the instructions for tasks.

[ElProximo]

Anyway im hoping Andrew does more of this and Josie takes the piss more openly and then the other HMs might not think Dave is sacrosanct and start challenging him when he starts his religiobabble.

.

Uh?
I take it you are not a native english speaker?
Nothing wrong with that but it makes it very difficult to read your disjointed language, strange sentence structure and bad grammar.
Try harder please.
Thx.

[crit]

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff153/tia_darcy/black-pot-kettle-obj058.jpg

[fingers]

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff153/tia_darcy/black-pot-kettle-obj058.jpg

Did you really expect a rebuttal?

:devil::joker:

[WOMBAI]

DAVE is FAKE and a money grabbing fat *****. IMO. Like robbing hood. Steal from the poor give to the rich. Just to put his kids in Trinity. Andrew is right to expose this charlatan.

http://www.affiliatewatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/collegegraduate.jpg

"Your DOSH funds my education" said Dave's child.

Proof - where is the proof that Dave's children go to private school!

[Livia]

The only one talking sense on this tread and not coming across as a puritanical hysteric... is ElProximo.

[Peter Plunker]

Somebody thinks that Dave's kids go to private schools? Where on earth did they get that? I know exactly which schools they go to (or went to in the case of his eldest), they're far from private I can tell thee.

[Claymores]

Somebody thinks that Dave's kids go to private schools? Where on earth did they get that? I know exactly which schools they go to (or went to in the case of his eldest), they're far from private I can tell thee.

Dave: "What about people that fly"

Andrew: "That was a film, it was called superman"

Care to enlighten us what Dave was thinking of?

[BB_Eye]

David is not a 'charlatan' (see other topics) but sadly he actually believes he has seen or been provided evidence of these things.
David is not making money from all this nonsense.. you could make as much or more as an Insurance Salesman or nearly anything else.

I am happy someone is clearly explaining to him why these things are not happening. I do find its the best way to deal with these types.
Good for Andrew (though i haven't seen this convo yet).

Lol, do you actually believe he is going to convince him otherwise? For Dave to make people believe he has healing powers, he would obviously need to deceive people. These methods are employed by "psychic mediums" and other crackpots.

[Peter Plunker]

Dave: "What about people that fly"

Andrew: "That was a film, it was called superman"

Care to enlighten us what Dave was thinking of?

He was thinking of the many people who have levitated/flew call it what you want. Joseph of Cupertino was the most famous, he's the patron saint of aviators.

[Claymores]

He was thinking of the many people who have levitated/flew call it what you want. Joseph of Cupertino was the most famous, he's the patron saint of aviators.

Dave also said his friend levitates every day..........have we the Red Baron in our midst on the forum in the guise of the celebrated Peter Plunker?????

[Jords]

I missed it, tuned in when it was the aftermath and Rachel was crying that she upset Andrew.

[fingers]

Dave also said his friend levitates every day..........have we the Red Baron in our midst on the forum in the guise of the celebrated Peter Plunker?????

They are all delusional and Mass delusion is a well known phenomenon.

[paper-cut-exit]

He was thinking of the many people who have levitated/flew call it what you want. Joseph of Cupertino was the most famous, he's the patron saint of aviators.

He was talking about his friends being able to fly/levitate.

What a load of crap!

[fingers]

He was thinking of the many people who have levitated/flew call it what you want. Joseph of Cupertino was the most famous, he's the patron saint of aviators.

He is also the patron saint of people with a mental handicap, test takers, and weak students.

[paper-cut-exit]

Altho... i did see Dave hover inches off the ground in one of those vids right enough.

His arse happened to be attached to a wheelchair at the time tho... while he conned the public he has so much love for into believing he was a real monk that just happens to be wheelchair bound.

What a guy! "there's a lot of glory in a wheelchair" ya know!

[Claymores]

He was thinking of the many people who have levitated/flew call it what you want. Joseph of Cupertino was the most famous, he's the patron saint of aviators.

Do these friends of Dave who levitate/fly every day do it for the salvation and greater good of mankind here on earth?????

[Peter Plunker]

Do these friends of Dave who levitate/fly every day do it for the salvation and greater good of mankind here on earth?????

I duuno, possibly. I just ate lasagne, was that for salvation or the greater good of mankind? What have you done today for salvation/the greater good of mankind?

[Claymores]

I duuno, possibly. I just ate lasagne, was that for salvation or the greater good of mankind? What have you done today for salvation/the greater good of mankind?

Didn't perform any impossible feats like flying today right enough - naughty me. Put some 2nd hand clothes out for Clothing Aid tho........would that count?

[Peter Plunker]

Didn't perform any impossible feats like flying today right enough - naughty me. Put some 2nd hand clothes out for Clothing Aid tho........would that count?

It would indeed.

[ElProximo]

Lol, do you actually believe he is going to convince him otherwise? For Dave to make people believe he has healing powers, he would obviously need to deceive people. These methods are employed by "psychic mediums" and other crackpots.

The problem here is that I'm far more familiar with this than you are. I had already communicated with David BEFORE any BB11 came around,
and,
I deal with these people (similar and related cults) and the people involved in them on a regular basis.
You (and about 4 others here) are so UNfamiliar with this kind of thing you are shouting out 'The Butler Did it!' because you just assume that is what happens here.
No.

The sad fact is - David and a number of these cult members are (and this is worse) absolutely CONVINCED of these claims.
You can call it 'self-deluded' and I will strongly agree.

David does not 'make people believe' anything. David believes it and they believe it.
They believe it.
Yes, they are 'deceived' but it is not a case of 'David deceives' because he is just as convinced as anyone else involved or more.

This is not the same as a phony psychic medium and you need to try and understand why these two things are what we call 'different'.


Do these friends of Dave who levitate/fly every day do it for the salvation and greater good of mankind here on earth?????

Exactly!
That is the question and problem and what this ought to be taken down to and what David should be challenged with.

When I ask them I get a few different answers along this lines:
- It empowers them to be ever greater and more enthusiastic witness.
- It helps others see God is real.
- Specifically David's group will simply explain that before they were doing these things they (David, whoever) was a drunk, drug-addict and doing drugs all the time. So now they do this instead. Which you are to understand is healthier.

[Peter Plunker]

There's that C word again.

[stonedape]

Have you guys seen religious people trying levitate? They basically cross their legs and bounce up and down on soft surfaces. Major LOL material. Or if they're an all out charlatan they'll do the old hidden chair trick or something similar.

We're on a rotating rock. If someone could remove their gravitational bond to earth they would continue to float up to space indefinitely in a tangential line. Same goes for any object they claim to make levitate. It wouldn't just hover. <3 gravity

ETA: I loved Andrew's astrology pwnage, and was waiting for some Dave destruction. Now on to Mario's alien conspiracies, which are ironically the most plausible of the three.

[Peter Plunker]

We're on a rotating rock. If someone could remove their gravitational bond to earth they would continue to float up to space indefinitely in a tangential line. Same goes for any object they claim to make levitate. It wouldn't just hover. <3 gravity

Physics fail.

[Vladimir]

:joker:


Oh, I love Andrew now.

[stonedape]

Physics fail.

Unless there's an invisible, silent force propelling them up and around (bad gas, maybe?) they/their object are not going to be hovering over the same point on earth,. And they're not typically talking about using a force to overcome gravity, they usually claim it has to do with removing gravity selectively...which is so ridiculous I don't know where to start. That's why I'm forced into theoretical fantasy physics.