Do the "public" still want him as their winner?

[Angus]

Perhaps, there's loads of brain dead horny little girls who'll vote for him. But it was a mistake to slag off the show itself.

I've already detected a shift in the editing towards JJ - I think BB will let him go on self destruct now:laugh:

[Hero1]

Well I am an adult who has never liked JJ, sometimes he has left me with my jaw hitting the ground.

But going by today's show he done nothing wrong, he had the right to question Ife about her comments which would have been embarassing to him. Also Ben started on him first, and started on him with comments he has always thrown at JJ's direction....JJ just slam dunked Ben today, ans shut him up good and proper.

[SocietyIsRuined]

I still think he will win. I don't want him to win but I have a feeling he will. There are too many voters out there who vote on looks alone and they have endless credit on their mobiles. The only way to stop him is send in Justin Bieber who unfortunately possesses the worst haircut of all time. :)

[Claymores]

Well I am an adult who has never liked JJ, sometimes he has left me with my jaw hitting the ground.

But going by today's show he done nothing wrong, he had the right to question Ife about her comments which would have been embarassing to him. Also Ben started on him first, and started on him with comments he has always thrown at JJ's direction....JJ just slam dunked Ben today, ans shut him up good and proper.

Agree - ne owned Benny -boy after Benny started on him unreasonably. I never have a fave HM and just hate them all, but John is growing on me.

[jjj2]

he was just saying that he was being himself and not trying to suck up to the public like sly Ben

[GiRTh]

I dont like him but he was totally right to start the argument. He was so right about Bens reasons for being on the show. Ben is the biggest wannabe in there. Ben is the most desperate for fame in there. John got all of that spot on. My eyes have been opened about Ben. He's hating it in there but cant walk for the sake of his career. Priceless.:joker:

[ibook4113]

it seemed to me that JJ was being so strong minded about the public and the program because that is what it is all about for ben. I really hate ben with a passion, and i am happy someone actually made him suffer. He insults people very often, and often in a backhanded way - giving a compliment then insulting them - and i am happy someone didn't actually give in to him. Good on JJ

[Angus]

"**** the Public the public can ****ing jam it.""I don't care about the public, I don't care about the programme. It's not about the programme for me. I don't give a ****, I don't give a ****."

"I'm not on the show for the public, or for you, or to make anyone else happy,
I'm on the show for enjoyment for myself, not to make the ****ing public happy." If they boo the **** out of me, I don't care, I don't give a ****".


Wow JJ a really elegant and well constructed "argument", managing to insult the viewers and the programme in one fell swoop, whilst also demonstrating the true meaning of "selfishness". This is the desperado who travelled thousands of miles to get on the show so if he thinks we buy that he doesn't care about winning, he's even thicker than I thought. That bravado attitude might work in Aussie or USA BB, but this is England mate and we're fussy who we spend our hard earned on.

[Jords]

Hopefully not, lets have him up for eviction this week and booted out on Friday, please. :)

[Claymores]

"**** the Public the public can ****ing jam it.""I don't care about the public, I don't care about the programme. It's not about the programme for me. I don't give a ****, I don't give a ****."

"I'm not on the show for the public, or for you, or to make anyone else happy,
I'm on the show for enjoyment for myself, not to make the ****ing public happy." If they boo the **** out of me, I don't care, I don't give a ****".


Wow JJ a really elegant and well constructed "argument", managing to insult the viewers and the programme in one fell swoop, whilst also demonstrating the true meaning of "selfishness". This is the desperado who travelled thousands of miles to get on the show so if he thinks we buy that he doesn't care about winning, he's even thicker than I thought. That bravado attitude might work in Aussie or USA BB, but this is England mate and we're fussy who we spend our hard earned on.

John did it in the context of Benny boy's fixations, and did it brilliantly.

He essentially said it in answer Ben's constant defence of "oh well the public can decide". John said feck the public if your actions make 11 other people eat sh1te and have cold showers for yet another week

[bbfan1991]

Maybe Caoimhe will go and take JJ with her?:p.

[rusticgal]

JJ is just honest.... I do not take that personally as a member of the 'public'... unlike most of the BB HM's.... JJ isnt looking for anyones approval... he has mine cos I like good honest people who dont pretend to be something they are not.

He wont win...but I will defend him til the end cos I admire his raw emotion and frankness... He will be the 'winner' out of this programme.. whoever wins.

[Angus]

John did it in the context of Benny boy's fixations, and did it brilliantly.

He essentially said it in answer Ben's constant defence of "oh well the public can decide". John said feck the public if your actions make 11 other people eat sh1te and have cold showers for yet another week

Spin it how you like, the general public who watch the HLs and not the LF will not be impressed because actually Johnny boy needs to know that the public DO decide and won't take kindly to some jumped up little aussie twonk effectively telling them he's NOT there to entertain THEM but is there for his own enjoyment. He can enjoy himself all the way back to Oz.

[ibook4113]

Spin it how you like, the general public who watch the HLs and not the LF will not be impressed because actually Johnny boy needs to know that the public DO decide and won't take kindly to some jumped up little aussie twonk effectively telling them he's NOT there to entertain THEM but is there for his own enjoyment. He can enjoy himself all the way back to Oz.

But that wasn't what John James was saying. For the people that don't listen they might think what you have said but he was picking up on Ben's fixation of the public opinion. I think the idea that the public could support ben is quite shocking especially when he is being selfish and not helping the whole house. It isn't being different or unique or quirky it is being selfish and nasty. If the public think ben's selfishness is good then i agree with JJ. The point JJ was making was that Ben is selfish. For ben to wait until the public choose whether his selfish attitude is right or wrong, is quite insulting to the rest of the housemates. He never does anything for the house, so he should step off his pedestal and actually do some work. - he would end up feeling better for it in the end too.

[Angus]

But that wasn't what John James was saying. For the people that don't listen they might think what you have said but he was picking up on Ben's fixation of the public opinion. I think the idea that the public could support ben is quite shocking especially when he is being selfish and not helping the whole house. It isn't being different or unique or quirky it is being selfish and nasty. If the public think ben's selfishness is good then i agree with JJ. The point JJ was making was that Ben is selfish. For ben to wait until the public choose whether his selfish attitude is right or wrong, is quite insulting to the rest of the housemates. He never does anything for the house, so he should step off his pedestal and actually do some work. - he would end up feeling better for it in the end too.


JJ is far more selfish if he thinks his endless rants and arguments are conducive to the harmony of the house. What's worse is that JJ thinks its okay for him to just be in the house for his OWN enjoyment. Well I don't give a **** about HIS experience or enjoyment - I want the entertainment I'm paying for and he's a mega selfish git for not entertaining me.

[GiRTh]

I never wanted JJ to win. I think he's a deeply disturbed almost sociopathic pr*ck.

In this context though he was right. Claymore has already posted it, JJ said it in the context of highlighting Bens fixation with the public. JJ was merely saying he's not as bothered about his public image as Ben. He could have expressed himself better but hey ho.

[Shiner]

I fully understand JJ's frustration with Ben but I got the feeling that in the heat of the moment he simply wanted to appear to be the antithesis of Ben by saying "******* the public...." but as is his nature, he took it too far. As he repeated his the point about the public it then took the form of a message to the public (as you cannot argue that you are not aware of them if you are speaking about them in the first place) of "I am not acting, I am real, this is me". This is a declaration that can only matter in the context of the game (people don't argue that they are real in RL) and therefore ironically proves his awareness of the public and his need for their approval as a non-fake and a more worthy winner of the game than Ben and possibly the others. In short the outburst was for our benefit not Ben's.

[troy4783]

hope not josie or corin to win

[jojo10]

Well I am an adult who has never liked JJ, sometimes he has left me with my jaw hitting the ground.

But going by today's show he done nothing wrong, he had the right to question Ife about her comments which would have been embarassing to him. Also Ben started on him first, and started on him with comments he has always thrown at JJ's direction....JJ just slam dunked Ben today, ans shut him up good and proper.

No he never, did you not hear what Ben was saying in the bedroom how JJ was picking on him first in the hub, so that was why he made that comment. Talk about favouritism with the editing, maybe they should have shown what JJ said first and then what Ben said back to him, and JJ always picks on Ben first not the other way round, just like he did with Rachael and Sunshine.

Also, the only reason why JJ is still in there even though in the past the 1s that cause the most arguments are usually 1 of the 1st ones to be evicted, is because alot of girls fancy him, which in my opinion is very shallow when girls only vote for him because they fancy him, and yet tend to forget what a nasty piece of work he is and how he causes most of the trouble in the house.

Sorry, I don't think he's all that and Im female too and I would never vote for him on his looks, I would rather vote for him if he had a nice personality and if he was not such a dishonest trouble maker, but his personality is so ugly that I would rather choose somebody like Ben, who might not be so stunning but yet his personality makes up for it.

[jojo10]

it seemed to me that JJ was being so strong minded about the public and the program because that is what it is all about for ben. I really hate ben with a passion, and i am happy someone actually made him suffer. He insults people very often, and often in a backhanded way - giving a compliment then insulting them - and i am happy someone didn't actually give in to him. Good on JJ

What, you can't be serious, the only reason that JJ made such an issue about what Ben said about the public was because he wanted to twist things as usual so that others including Ben look like the gameplayers and to make himself look like a genuine hm, yet he knows absolutely everything about BB, and so far as predicted so many things right.

If anything, JJ is the one who is always going on about all of these conspiracy theories all the time because he has watched alot of BB before in the past, so he is always try to either pick on people that he feels could be popular in the outside world such as Ben and Corin, or he tries to either bring out the worst in them or try and accuse them of things that they have not done or said or are thinking about, just to make that person look bad and himself good, just like he did about the comment he made about Ben and the public, knowing full well most likely it would have been shown, so that it looks like that he doesn't care about what the public thinks but Ben does, what a clever twisted git, get JJ out.

[ibook4113]

"**** the Public the public can ****ing jam it.""I don't care about the public, I don't care about the programme. It's not about the programme for ME. I don't give a ****, I don't give a ****."
The 'me' is the important bit Ben cares way too much about the public vote that t makes him get too paranoid. And pretty much everyone who goes into the BB house is there for their own enjoyment. I am pretty sure we don't pay for channel 4 which is why there are loads of adverts on it. AND even so how would people be happy to pay for Ben - a selfish, condescending, rude, ignorant person. Ben is my most hated housemate ever. He only has friends for his benefit, which he picked up on last night with Dave who was no longer 'laughing for him', he was friends with JJ so he could wear his clothes (which he never actually asked for), and when he talks to people he always starts of by saying 'I really love so-and-so but i find that they do this this this and this which i don't like.' The 'but' completely removes the positive comment in front of it because what he actually saying is an insult not a compliment.
And again JJ was pointing out a flaw in Ben who when nominated just sits around and doesn't nothing, he cares too much about the public opinion.

And actually it is worth considering JJ left australia a little after his father got killed in a work accident, and since his father died he hasn't gone back to work. If anyone thought about that even a little they would realise it is because of the memory of his father that he hasn't gone back to his work. The inheritance he got from his fathers death means he doesn't have to work, so he doesn't. He thought (it seems to me) that he would go to England to have a break from Australia and to try and move on from his fathers death.

All Ben wants is more money and that is it - and a job. And he doesn't need the money because he obviously has money from his family. THink about when the housemates were going to give 50K of their winnings to get Steve his leg and Ben didn't want to because it would be his money? HOW SELFISH!

[smudgie]

The 'me' is the important bit Ben cares way too much about the public vote that t makes him get too paranoid. And pretty much everyone who goes into the BB house is there for their own enjoyment. I am pretty sure we don't pay for channel 4 which is why there are loads of adverts on it. AND even so how would people be happy to pay for Ben - a selfish, condescending, rude, ignorant person. Ben is my most hated housemate ever. He only has friends for his benefit, which he picked up on last night with Dave who was no longer 'laughing for him', he was friends with JJ so he could wear his clothes (which he never actually asked for), and when he talks to people he always starts of by saying 'I really love so-and-so but i find that they do this this this and this which i don't like.' The 'but' completely removes the positive comment in front of it because what he actually saying is an insult not a compliment.
And again JJ was pointing out a flaw in Ben who when nominated just sits around and doesn't nothing, he cares too much about the public opinion.

And actually it is worth considering JJ left australia a little after his father got killed in a work accident, and since his father died he hasn't gone back to work. If anyone thought about that even a little they would realise it is because of the memory of his father that he hasn't gone back to his work. The inheritance he got from his fathers death means he doesn't have to work, so he doesn't. He thought (it seems to me) that he would go to England to have a break from Australia and to try and move on from his fathers death.

All Ben wants is more money and that is it - and a job. And he doesn't need the money because he obviously has money from his family. THink about when the housemates were going to give 50K of their winnings to get Steve his leg and Ben didn't want to because it would be his money? HOW SELFISH!


It is not a case of Ben wanting more money, he has no money to start with, and neither does his family. His dad may live in a beautiful old house, but he does not have enough money to maintain it properly. Ben has alreadty said one of the reasons he would not want to give his money to Steve is that he wants to help his own family. Some of the other housemates might have waffled on about buying new legs for Steve, but I would believe that when it happened abd not before.

[erichardse10]

I think Josie or Ben will win, JJ won't win, hes 2 tempremental and opinion seems to be divided on him

[Angus]

Originally posted by ibook4113
"The 'me' is the important bit Ben cares way too much about the public vote that t makes him get too paranoid. And pretty much everyone who goes into the BB house is there for their own enjoyment. I am pretty sure we don't pay for channel 4 which is why there are loads of adverts on it. AND even so how would people be happy to pay for Ben - a selfish, condescending, rude, ignorant person. Ben is my most hated housemate ever. He only has friends for his benefit, which he picked up on last night with Dave who was no longer 'laughing for him', he was friends with JJ so he could wear his clothes (which he never actually asked for), and when he talks to people he always starts of by saying 'I really love so-and-so but i find that they do this this this and this which i don't like.' The 'but' completely removes the positive comment in front of it because what he actually saying is an insult not a compliment.
And again JJ was pointing out a flaw in Ben who when nominated just sits around and doesn't nothing, he cares too much about the public opinion.

And actually it is worth considering JJ left australia a little after his father got killed in a work accident, and since his father died he hasn't gone back to work. If anyone thought about that even a little they would realise it is because of the memory of his father that he hasn't gone back to his work. The inheritance he got from his fathers death means he doesn't have to work, so he doesn't. He thought (it seems to me) that he would go to England to have a break from Australia and to try and move on from his fathers death.

All Ben wants is more money and that is it - and a job. And he doesn't need the money because he obviously has money from his family. THink about when the housemates were going to give 50K of their winnings to get Steve his leg and Ben didn't want to because it would be his money? HOW SELFISH! "






You are seriously deluded if you think JJ does not care about winning the show - He more than any of them is DESPERATE to win. He is the one constantly talking about other people's game plans, and he could bitch for Australia. You might like watching an argumentative, confrontational prat like him and consider it entertainment, but a lot of us don't. It wasn't Ben or the other HMs that flew thousands of miles just to get on the show now was it? JJ is the one who has watched BB and studied strategies - he is the one with the biggest game plan (and there's nowt wrong with that), but don't insult me by telling me he's being "Real". THIS coming from a bleached blond male bimbo who has to go around impersonating a middle aged footballer to get attention! Why not just be his own person if he's so bloody real?

Are you really that obtuse about paying to watch the show? - LF ain't free and neither is the voting, so I expect ENTERTAINMENT when I switch on, not some douche bag telling me to ***** off cos he's only in it for his OWN enjoyment and experiece. Now that's what I call selfish.

As for his dad dying and him no longer working - if anything HE'S the one with the money and I wonder how proud of him his dad would have been to see him squandering it away because he's too bloody lazy to get a job. He's a proper little mummy's boy giving it large to those he perceives as weaker than him, ie women and blokes like Ben who are non-aggressive. If he tried his aggressive argumentative style out on some he would seriously get his head felt, but then he picks his victims carefully, the little coward. If his dad's death affected him that badly I would question the wisdom of him being in the house at all, since he is clearly not mentally up to it. I seriously think he needs therapy.

[Visage]

As much as I find hm hilarious and entertaining, I really don't think he will win, let along survive till the finale!

[erichardse10]

John James is a feisty individual, his mood/temepremant changes instantly. Obviously something deep rooted must be causing him to be like this.

Now me as a BB follower, wants to be entertained, want's too see drama, and basically want's too see real emotion.

I mean lets face it who wants to turn on their TV at 10pm on a week day night and watch Steve,Andrew, Dave etc?

Not me!, now JJ might not win (infact i am pretty sure he won't), but for something to watch and to keep the show controversial to a point you got to keep him in.

[Visage]

One can't deny how much attention JJ gets on this forum.

The amount of threads about him are turning him into a TIBB forum legend:D:D

[Stacey.]

I still want him to win.

So he said '**** the public' it doesn't really matter. He obviously went on BB for himself, as they all have to an extent. He's just honest about it.

[Alpertinator]

OP this has all ready been covered in a thread dedicated to guys who like JJ. And before you say it, it's incredibly homophobic to just assume that any pretty boy can only be liked by girls and gays.

I like JJ, he's actually become my favourite housemate. I applaud him for having the courage to 'slag off' the show itself and the public. As a member of that very same public, I am not offended at all. What he said was right. The guy doesn't want to be loved by the public he just wants the experience and he is actually the most honest housemates in there. He's too honest, brutally honest, for his own good. He is his own worst enemy no doubt about it, but the thing is it doesn't affect him that much because there are few people who he actually cares whether they like him or not. I can name two off the top of my head - Josie and mumsy.

[Angus]

[QUOTE=Alpertinator;3515888]OP this has all ready been covered in a thread dedicated to guys who like JJ. And before you say it, it's incredibly homophobic to just assume that any pretty boy can only be liked by girls and gays.

I like JJ, he's actually become my favourite housemate. I applaud him for having the courage to 'slag off' the show itself and the public. As a member of that very same public, I am not offended at all. What he said was right. The guy doesn't want to be loved by the public he just wants the experience and he is actually the most honest housemates in there. He's too honest, brutally honest, for his own good. He is his own worst enemy no doubt about it, but the thing is it doesn't affect him that much because there are few people who he actually cares whether they like him or not. I can name two off the top of my head - Josie and mumsy.[/QUOTE


Well your first sentence shows EXACTLY why you like JJ - throwing out defamatory accusations about my being homophobic now are we? Well that won't shut me up - I can't stand PC bullies who throw around the H and R words to try and silence people who disagree with them. As to whether there are other threads on similar subjects, I reserve the right to start any amount of threads I want about anything I want, so tough! Us Ben fans are bombarded with repetitively boring anti Ben threads in abundance, so suck it up!

It doesn't take "courage" to slag of the show and the public - it takes monumental arrogance and stupidity and I sincerely trust he will have his comeuppance.

He accuses Ben of being selfish? What's more selfish than a manchild who throws a strop at every perceived slight, and causes tension, arguments and dissent in a house whilst he self righteously claims to be a "team player". If I want to watch an infant chuck his toys out of the pram I'll go to the local nursery. Now he is conniving with Keeva to cause upset and negativity in the house (how very team spiritied of him:rolleyes:).

Unfortunately, "Josie and Mumsy" won't be able to keep him in the house - only the public can do that, and a sh*t load of us are mightily p*ssed off with the pathetic twat.

[ibook4113]

John James has said numerous times that he doesn't want the money so i don't see how he is being selfish because he doesn't care about winning. He has made it clear he doesn't care if he is booed and chucked out. I think this is a break for him, and probably one he needed. John James obviously is one of the most real housemates because otherwise he would not say all he has about the housemates and public. People judge him so much much on his appearance that they see and expect negative in him. But obviously i am wrong apparently a good looking male must be evil and caniving and a bully and aggressive. Bollocks! Ben is all of those things but is a PASSIVE agressive person and is the most selfish person in BB this year. IF HE REALLY WANTED MONEY TO HELP HIS FAMILY HE WOULD GET A REAL JOB, NOT COMMENT ON THE FACT THAT JOHN JAMES DOESN'T HAVE ONE. JOHN JAMES DOESN'T NEED ONE, HE IS ON AN EXTENDED HOLIDAY FINANCED BY THE INHERITANCE FROM HIS FATHER. And good for him, if my father died and i got inheritance i would have a holiday (even it may not be the best thing to do to help move on).

[Lee.]

:wavey: This member of the public still wants him to win.. He's about the only the interesting one in there!
At least he's honest :laugh:

[karezza]

Only mindless teenage girls & Australians like Crab Eyes - everyone else hates him.

[Shiner]

John James has said numerous times that he doesn't want the money so i don't see how he is being selfish because he doesn't care about winning. He has made it clear he doesn't care if he is booed and chucked out. I think this is a break for him, and probably one he needed. John James obviously is one of the most real housemates because otherwise he would not say all he has about the housemates and public. People judge him so much much on his appearance that they see and expect negative in him. But obviously i am wrong apparently a good looking male must be evil and caniving and a bully and aggressive. Bollocks! Ben is all of those things but is a PASSIVE agressive person and is the most selfish person in BB this year. IF HE REALLY WANTED MONEY TO HELP HIS FAMILY HE WOULD GET A REAL JOB, NOT COMMENT ON THE FACT THAT JOHN JAMES DOESN'T HAVE ONE. JOHN JAMES DOESN'T NEED ONE, HE IS ON AN EXTENDED HOLIDAY FINANCED BY THE INHERITANCE FROM HIS FATHER. And good for him, if my father died and i got inheritance i would have a holiday (even it may not be the best thing to do to help move on).

JJ has studied past BB's. He is clever to say he doesn't want the money, it gets the public on his side for not being greedy. Apart from using "mixing it up" as his general game-plan he is also using nonchalance and humility as his secret one (putting his jacket on when he clearly wasn't leaving). Plus he also knows that as soon as he walks out of the house he will be straight on to the cover of womens magazines.

The fact of the matter is that the money from the show is peanuts compared to all the deals and PA's after the fact. It would be true to say that Ben could get a job and raise the money for his family if all it would take was a few grand. I believe he is banking on the extracurricular cash, which many viewers seem to forget about, to achieve this not the prize money.

People on here need to go away and look up the definition of "passive aggressive". I've seen the phrase bandied about a few times recently on here and none of the examples have used it in the correct context. You can't just go and make up your own definitions to standard conditions to give weight to your argument.

[Lee.]

Oi! I have a mind, I'm not a teenager (mores the pity) I'm not Australian and I love JJ.. :)

[Niamh.]

Why is it a mistake to slag off the show? He's dead right if you ask me, the show is boring this year and the HMs are sh1t. JJ is one of the few entertaining ones in there

[Angus]

Why is it a mistake to slag off the show? He's dead right if you ask me, the show is boring this year and the HMs are sh1t. JJ is one of the few entertaining ones in there



Bet he wouldn't have been slagging off the show if BB had made it a "JJ Day":wink: He's jealous of Ben, which is why he is constantly pick,pick, picking at him. At least I can agree JJ is being real about one thing, and that is that he is a sad, repetitively tedious, argumentative little twat.:bored:

[30stone]

Although i like him, he was never going to win.


Where a few years ago the goodlooking men done well on bb.

More men seem to watch it now and dislike the goodlooking blokes.

[Novo]

Although i like him, he was never going to win.


Where a few years ago the goodlooking men done well on bb.

More men seem to watch it now and dislike the goodlooking blokes.

Ben is more of a ladies man then John james and he is your future winner

[Niamh.]

Bet he wouldn't have been slagging off the show if BB had made it a "JJ Day":wink: He's jealous of Ben, which is why he is constantly pick,pick, picking at him. At least I can agree JJ is being real about one thing, and that is that he is a sad, repetitively tedious, argumentative little twat.:bored:

haha, we're all entitled to our opinions. I do see why you don't like him but I just find them all soooooooo dull, he's about the only entertainment in there for me. I'm really disappointed with the HMs and the show this year, especially since it's the final year too:bawling: