Britian the most prejudice country?

[as90]

BB never fails to bring to light how prejudice Britain can be, as much as i love it, it can be a very prejudice place. Unfortunately we don't live in the days of the British empire anymore and rely on many countries to supply as the goods we want to give us the quality of life we are used too. We have hardly any physical exports and our army and willingness to pursue international justice are one of our main assets. Discuss.

[Alpertinator]

Modern British culture pisses me off I'll say. There are many countries more beautiful in many ways that I would prefer to live in. I mean European countries like Italy, Spain, France and Germany have remained very respectable nations over the years and still have great culture. Italy is a magnificent country.

I don't like UK and I would love to get outta' here when I'm older.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

BB never fails to bring to light how prejudice Britain can be, as much as i love it, it can be a very prejudice place. Unfortunately we don't live in the days of the British empire anymore and rely on many countries to supply as the goods we want to give us the quality of life we are used too. We have hardly any physical exports and our army and willingness to pursue international justice are one of our main assets. Discuss.

Britain is the most politically correct country and so is BB.

[Alpertinator]

Britain is the most politically correct country? No.

Then again I don't think there's such a thing as an entirely politically correct country... I don't trust politicians... or political parties... how can anyone...

[spitfire]

For all the haters.

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[Alpertinator]

Haha. You're very patriotic. I admire Britains' history that's for sure. Very proud of their service in the two world wars, but the UK has become a country that I would just rather leave for many other countries.

[spitfire]

Haha. You're very patriotic. I admire Britains' history that's for sure. Very proud of their service in the two world wars,
:thumbs:


but the UK has become a country that I would just rather leave for many other countries.
Why?

[Alpertinator]

I could go on for a long time. But ehhh... our government is pathetic and selfish and I can't trust the way it works and the way our society works we've gotten ourselves overly involved in conflicts that we should't have been involved in... most recently the middle east conflict which is on going and is just a waste of expenses and more importantly human lives... the legal system in this country is dreadful with people literally getting away with murder whilst others can get into trouble for petty $hit like killing a squirrel or I dunno' say... defending themselves against an attacker. In many places gangs of yobs/hoodies/chavs/gangstars own the streets and they litertally have the power and the control of the area in question. They can pick on who they want, when they want, they can vandalise property, terrorise innocent people, beat innocent people and maybe even kill innocent people and it's ver likely they will get away with it, maybe with an Asbo or community service if they're unlucky... or hey maybe they'll do a few measly months in the can.

Oh and not to mention the situation of over population within the country which is very much due to so many immigrants coming into our country because they see it as a safe haven as opposed to their impoverished and war torn countries (yeah I know this means that there are countries much worse off than our own). Thing is hey maybe we're too welcoming. We let terrorists come into out country and in certain cases have even allowed them to continue to live here after they've been discovered to have intentions to kill people of this very same country the UK. So we are letting people who want to pull another London train job remain in this country.

I'm just saying that whilst I'm aware that there is nowhere on earth where you know you can be entirely safe (that's naive and stupid to hope for to be honest), there are places that I'd prefer to be than here. Not just the situation in the country in terms of what I mentioned above, but also our culture is sad and so many people in this country just don't care. And of course the dreadful weather doesn't help, of course this summer so far has been reminiscent of a summer in Rome, it's been nice... for the UK.

[billy123]

The problem we have in this country is that we have had things so good for so long that people dont even realise how well off and lucky they are everything is taken for granted well those that dont like it the door is open it wont take you long to realise the grass isnt as green as you thought.

these so called "respectable" countrys lets take a look at a news site http://www.france24.com/en/france mmm no bed of roses there.
http://www.lifeinitaly.com/news mmm no pretty much terrorism,riots,strikes,murder and corruption in italy.
http://www.spanishnews.es/ no thats no different either.

[spitfire]

I could go on for a long time. But ehhh... our government is pathetic and selfish and I can't trust the way it works and the way our society works we've gotten ourselves overly involved in conflicts that we should't have been involved in... most recently the middle east conflict which is on going and is just a waste of expenses and more importantly human lives... the legal system in this country is dreadful with people literally getting away with murder whilst others can get into trouble for petty $hit like killing a squirrel or I dunno' say... defending themselves against an attacker. In many places gangs of yobs/hoodies/chavs/gangstars own the streets and they litertally have the power and the control of the area in question. They can pick on who they want, when they want, they can vandalise property, terrorise innocent people, beat innocent people and maybe even kill innocent people and it's ver likely they will get away with it, maybe with an Asbo or community service if they're unlucky... or hey maybe they'll do a few measly months in the can.

Oh and not to mention the situation of over population within the country which is very much due to so many immigrants coming into our country because they see it as a safe haven as opposed to their impoverished and war torn countries (yeah I know this means that there are countries much worse off than our own). Thing is hey maybe we're too welcoming. We let terrorists come into out country and in certain cases have even allowed them to continue to live here after they've been discovered to have intentions to kill people of this very same country the UK. So we are letting people who want to pull another London train job remain in this country.

I'm just saying that whilst I'm aware that there is nowhere on earth where you know you can be entirely safe (that's naive and stupid to hope for to be honest), there are places that I'd prefer to be than here. Not just the situation in the country in terms of what I mentioned above, but also our culture is sad and so many people in this country just don't care. And of course the dreadful weather doesn't help, of course this summer so far has been reminiscent of a summer in Rome, it's been nice... for the UK.

Fair enough.I've provided the link.:spin:

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

:thumbs:



Why?

if I had the money I would leave this sh**hole the very next morning

i'll give you few reasons

1. Pathetic justice system (eg a gang of youths beat someone to death and they get 12 years in a cushy prison)

2. Too much uncontrolled immigration. So, really this isn't a country anymore anyway, it's just a region of Europe.

3. Drinking culture. Every Friday, Saturday night streets of Britain get filled with drunken yobs and slappers.

4. High on target list for Islamic terrorism.

5. Economic crisis has left the country *******ed up. Banks have stolen the public's money and the people are too thick to realise and just accept what politicians tell them.

[spitfire]

if I had the money I would leave this sh**hole the very next morning

i'll give you few reasons

1. Pathetic justice system (eg a gang of youths beat someone to death and they get 12 years in a cushy prison)

2. Too much uncontrolled immigration. So, really this isn't a country anymore anyway, it's just a region of Europe.

3. Drinking culture. Every Friday, Saturday night streets of Britain get filled with drunken yobs and slappers.

4. High on target list for Islamic terrorism.

5. Economic crisis has left the country *******ed up. Banks have stolen the public's money and the people are too thick to realise and just accept what politicians tell them.

Why not stay and try to change the things you don't like?

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Why not stay and try to change the things you don't like?

well funnily enough I just finished watching V for Vendetta

what happens in that film is the only way it can be changed, but I am not a superhero with kick ass knife skills

[Josy]

well funnily enough I just finished watching V for Vendetta

what happens in that film is the only way it can be changed, but I am not a superhero with kick ass knife skills

Have you ever tried to be a super hero with kick ass knife skills?

You never know til you try.........:hugesmile:

[spitfire]

well funnily enough I just finished watching V for Vendetta

what happens in that film is the only way it can be changed, but I am not a superhero with kick ass knife skills
Give up and hop off then.Simples.

[Alpertinator]

We can't change anything here. This country doesn't even appear to be very democratic. It feels kinda' like a dictatorship.

Oh and thanks Oddball you summed up a lot of my thoughts exactly.

And bobnot I don't agree with what you said. My mum has a house in Italy in this lovely little remote hill top village it's beautiful there and in that particular region everybody really gets on the culture is great and the crime rate is low.

Oh and true comment about V for Vendetta, it's a shame that to make things right such drastic and horrendous measures may need to be taken as seen in that film. I won't sign up for anything of that nature though.

[billy123]

We can't change anything here. This country doesn't even appear to be very democratic. It feels kinda' like a dictatorship.

Oh and thanks Oddball you summed up a lot of my thoughts exactly.

And bobnot I don't agree with what you said. My mum has a house in Italy in this lovely little remote hill top village it's beautiful there and in that particular region everybody really gets on the culture is great and the crime rate is low.

Oh and true comment about V for Vendetta, it's a shame that to make things right such drastic and horrendous measures may need to be taken as seen in that film. I won't sign up for anything of that nature though.
And i have friends that live in a lovely village in derbyshire in a lovely cottage where the crime rate is low and the community is nice and friendly :shrug::shrug: what is your point?

[spitfire]

We can't change anything here. This country doesn't even appear to be very democratic. It feels kinda' like a dictatorship.

Of course we can.Did you know that a ahile back woman couldn't vote?



And bobnot I don't agree with what you said. My mum has a house in Italy in this lovely little remote hill top village it's beautiful there and in that particular region everybody really gets on the culture is great and the crime rate is low.
Plenty of places like that in the UK too but no Mafia hoods hanging around.;)

[InOne]

The cities are a mess really. But we still have some nice countryside we can be proud of.

[stonedape]

If you think it's a bed of roses anywhere on planet Earth, you're in for a rude awakening. You'll have just as many or more socioeconomic, political problems, you'll just be much less familiar with everyone and everything around you. And if there's a language barrier, you'll soon discover a nagging compulsion to jump off a large building. Have fun on your trip! :xyxwave:

[Shaun]

No. Try living in Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe...

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

The cities are a mess really. But we still have some nice countryside we can be proud of.

this is true and I sometimes think of moving to countryside

but past 6 weeks I got put off the idea a bit

I might meet someone like Josie :shocked:

[InOne]

this is true and I sometimes think of moving to countryside

but past 6 weeks I got put off the idea a bit

I might meet someone like Josie :shocked:

Haha I actually don't mind people down that end, places like Stratford and Avebury are really nice. Although you tend to find a lot of Bea and Freddie types D:

[Alpertinator]

Okay I think a few of you people here are too patriotic for your own good and you come across as kinda' bigoted (sorry).

Accept this - I do not like the UK. Is that okay with you? Bobnot you mentioned a lovely little village in Derbyshire... here's the thing... Derbyshire is boring. There is nothing special about it. The UK is fairly boring. This little village in Italy, has much nicer weather, much better wildlife and much better bugs I freakin' love bugs. And it has lizard. The people in Italy speak one of the most beautiful languages in the world (as opposed to the deranged language known as English). The food is nicer. In fact it's hard to find crappy processed food there, hard to find ready made meals. You have to cook healthy meals for yourself. You can pick figs off of the trees as you walk the streets. You can see some of the most beautiful war graves in the world within the area of Monte Cassino (which itself is a very nice place). Can you not just accept that I think a good deal of countries are better than the UK? Simply because they are more interesting... unlike the UK, certain other countries are not boring.

And now I'm coming across as bigoted.

[billy123]

let me know when you find it :)
http://swamplot.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/super-happy-fun-land-sign.jpg

[Fuzzylogic]

BB never fails to bring to light how prejudice Britain can be, as much as i love it, it can be a very prejudice place. Unfortunately we don't live in the days of the British empire anymore and rely on many countries to supply as the goods we want to give us the quality of life we are used too. We have hardly any physical exports and our army and willingness to pursue international justice are one of our main assets. Discuss.

While I agree that Britian is becoming a prejudiced and bigoted country, no thanks in part to the likes of the SUN and the Daily Mail with their "Immigunts Eat Babies" shtick, Bit what relevance has this to this years BB?

[Alpertinator]

Resorting to patronising me... sad.

Also incredibly judgemental. You have decided that I am a hippy or somebody who desires to be a hippy. Beyond that, you are now suggestively harbouring a similar kind of view to the fellas' who killed Hopper and Fonda in Born to be Wild, simply because they were defying society and being free. Intimidated by freedom.

[ElProximo]

Britain is the most politically correct country and so is BB.

Yes it is and it was actually a BB 'incident' that really exposed the obsessive and disturbing PC thinkspeak to the rest of the world that did not yet know how bad things are.
Someone said '*****' in a street slang sense and it was absolute national outrage, newsworthy,
and,
Americans were running the story as a sort of spectacle in sheer amazement and I never forget one news presenter saying "..so there you have it folks.. if you thought we were too PC here.. at least we are not at that point".
Several pundits and commentators used it as an example of a country that had lost its mind.

I enjoy being in a certain other country where people have nearly zero concept of this PC business. People use derogatory racist names and give them little value.
I was shouted down in markets as a 'white devil' and people just agree 'chink' is a racist name for them and don't care. They DO NOT CARE because they are not part of our culture where that is a holy offense.
Its nice actually.

But yes, the UK is so PC that it doesn't realize what a joke it has become because of it. It's so PC that it just offends people demanding they feel victimized so it can punish itself lol!
Wow.. its bad people.

[stonedape]

I hope I didn't come across as bigoted, my overall point is that you will have to put up with bull**** anywhere you go. "Interesting" places (where everyone else goes) tend to be especially packed with BS. Like living NYC, the idea was wonderful, but the reality is people are paying for the prestige of living in NYC in human misery. And an exorbitant rent check.

[Alpertinator]

I didn't feel you were coming across as bigoted ape, I feel bad for saying that to be honest.

Hey I wouldn't wanna' live in NYC though man that place is too crowded, be cool to visit but not to live there. I couldn't stand it. I'd love to go to the dinosaur museum there though.

[stonedape]

I didn't feel you were coming across as bigoted ape, I feel bad for saying that to be honest.

Hey I wouldn't wanna' live in NYC though man that place is too crowded, be cool to visit but not to live there. I couldn't stand it. I'd love to go to the dinosaur museum there though.

Natural history museum is NICE. NYC is a great place to visit. Anyways good luck, it's healthy to at least say you tasted the grass on the other side. Just don't expect it to taste like filet mignon :dance:

[Alpertinator]

Exactly man that's the point of life. To actually taste the grass on the other side. There's this huge world and the way I see it some of the most beautiful parts of the world are not in the UK. I want to go to Africa and the Caribbean islands and I'd love to tour the USA it'd be great to visit the 50 states. Australias' a place I'd love to go to, and Brasilia! Japan as well.

[boomoo]

Modern British culture pisses me off I'll say. There are many countries more beautiful in many ways that I would prefer to live in. I mean European countries like Italy, Spain, France and Germany have remained very respectable nations over the years and still have great culture. Italy is a magnificent country.

I don't like UK and I would love to get outta' here when I'm older.

Well it is possible to upsticks and move to any country in the EU. You need to learn a language though if you want to be accepted.
Someone close to me did that 18 months ago. They say they will never come back to the UK where people build you up just to knock you down it is a British disease.
This is the only country where people are always talking about class, envy of what other people have.

[ange7]

I don't think the UK is ANYWHERE near the most prejudice country. Western nations with democracies are FAR more tolerant than many nations.... they've had to be. Today it's not just about "tolerance", which has an unfortunate underlying connotation of "having to put up with" but about understanding and respecting other great and interesting cultures. That's what Britain is about but if you read tibb you wouldn't think so. hehe

[thevoiceofreason]

eh why was my thread locked but this is fine.... this is like cnn or something. whos a mod here? this fourm is a joke.

[billy123]

eh why was my thread locked but this is fine.... this is like cnn or something. whos a mod here? this fourm is a joke.
because while maybe it was on the wrong forum (the connection to big brother was a bit vague) we were able to discuss it without resorting to cheap personal attacks against each other unlike the aggressive personally abusive tone that you took on in your thread which caused it to be locked.

[Lwize]

if I had the money I would leave this sh**hole the very next morning

i'll give you few reasons

1. Pathetic justice system (eg a gang of youths beat someone to death and they get 12 years in a cushy prison)

2. Too much uncontrolled immigration. So, really this isn't a country anymore anyway, it's just a region of Europe.

3. Drinking culture. Every Friday, Saturday night streets of Britain get filled with drunken yobs and slappers.

4. High on target list for Islamic terrorism.

5. Economic crisis has left the country *******ed up. Banks have stolen the public's money and the people are too thick to realise and just accept what politicians tell them.

Step up to America! We only suffer from 4 out of 5 on that list. :spin:

[Shasown]

Step up to America! We only suffer from 4 out of 5 on that list. :spin:

Which in your opinion is the one the US doesnt have?

[crit]

The drinking culture I'll bet.

[terryrow]

Modern British culture pisses me off I'll say. There are many countries more beautiful in many ways that I would prefer to live in. I mean European countries like Italy, Spain, France and Germany have remained very respectable nations over the years and still have great culture. Italy is a magnificent country.

I don't like UK and I would love to get outta' here when I'm older.
move

[Angus]

Firstly, this thread should be in the Serious Debates Forum not a BB one.

Secondly, I agree that the immigrants coming to our country are often very prejudiced and it is fortunate for them that they are taken in by a country that is tolerant, fair and bends over backwards, (sometimes to the detriment of the indigenous population), in order to provide them with homes, food, schooling, medical facilities and employment.

I am proud that Britain is the most welcoming and tolerant nation on earth - I challenge anyone to cite any other country that takes in the levels of immigrants that we do, considering most refugees and asylum seekers will risk life and limb to cross several safe countries in order to get here. Is that a deafening silence I hear?

Immigration aside, judging by the comments on this forum alone, sexism, homophobia and disability discrimination is still thriving in the younger generation, so despite the strides in legislation and education, ignorance and prejudice in these areas still prevails.

[chuff me dizzy]

For all the haters.

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Well said !! dont let the door hit you on the arse on the way out ,goodbye and good riddance ,and all you moaners PLEASE stop cashing your giros and claiming tax credits,council tax/rent rebate

[BB_Eye]

To paraphrase that legendary right-wing archetype Dirty Harry. I don't like this country or most of its people, but until I find something better, I'll stick with it.

[Eye_Spy]

BB never fails to bring to light how prejudice Britain can be, as much as i love it, it can be a very prejudice place. Unfortunately we don't live in the days of the British empire anymore and rely on many countries to supply as the goods we want to give us the quality of life we are used too. We have hardly any physical exports and our army and willingness to pursue international justice are one of our main assets. Discuss.

army willing to pursue international justice??!! is that a joke? its the army killing and bombing millions of innocent people which is causing so many problems, wake up sonny.

[Eye_Spy]

Firstly, this thread should be in the Serious Debates Forum not a BB one.

Secondly, I agree that the immigrants coming to our country are often very prejudiced and it is fortunate for them that they are taken in by a country that is tolerant, fair and bends over backwards, (sometimes to the detriment of the indigenous population), in order to provide them with homes, food, schooling, medical facilities and employment.

I am proud that Britain is the most welcoming and tolerant nation on earth - I challenge anyone to cite any other country that takes in the levels of immigrants that we do, considering most refugees and asylum seekers will risk life and limb to cross several safe countries in order to get here. Is that a deafening silence I hear?

Immigration aside, judging by the comments on this forum alone, sexism, homophobia and disability discrimination is still thriving in the younger generation, so despite the strides in legislation and education, ignorance and prejudice in these areas still prevails.

well after bombing the crap out of their countries, we do take them in, promise to rebuild their countries and send them back. but lets not talk about the bombing, killing and maiming millions of innocent people on here eh? lets just whip up frenzies talking about immigrants and benefits.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BB never fails to bring to light how prejudice Britain can be, as much as i love it, it can be a very prejudice place. Unfortunately we don't live in the days of the British empire anymore and rely on many countries to supply as the goods we want to give us the quality of life we are used too. We have hardly any physical exports and our army and willingness to pursue international justice are one of our main assets. Discuss.

wtf are you on about?


explain what you mean rather than make silly sweeping statements

[Livia]

Those who want to leave this country should be encouraged to do so. As quickly as possible. And if you really want to experience prejudice, try India. I have never seen such economic and social divides anywhere in the world.

[Eye_Spy]

Those who want to leave this country should be encouraged to do so. As quickly as possible. And if you really want to experience prejudice, try India. I have never seen such economic and social divides anywhere in the world.

yes agreed, that caste system is the worst for prejudice in the world IMHO.

[Niamh.]

lmao, what do you mean by unfortunately we don't live in the British empire??? You mean when you had invaded other countries?????

[Livia]

well after bombing the crap out of their countries, we do take them in, promise to rebuild their countries and send them back. but lets not talk about the bombing, killing and maiming millions of innocent people on here eh? lets just whip up frenzies talking about immigrants and benefits.

Bombing them? What, you mean like the refugees from Etheopia that we all gave money to feed a couple of years ago? Or Rwanda, where our country sent troops to stop the militia there cutting the arms off of children? Or maybe Nigeria? We've a lot of refugees from Nigeria... no bombing there though. I think you'll find that most people who come to this country are economic refugees.

The problem with accepting so many refugees into the UK is that they are always placed in communities who are already economically disadvantaged. Maybe we should build a few reception centres in the more well-to-do areas. See how quickly the rules change.

[Shasown]

army willing to pursue international justice??!! is that a joke? its the army killing and bombing millions of innocent people which is causing so many problems, wake up sonny.

Killing and bombing millions? You obviously know something we dont care to share

well after bombing the crap out of their countries, we do take them in, promise to rebuild their countries and send them back. but lets not talk about the bombing, killing and maiming millions of innocent people on here eh? lets just whip up frenzies talking about immigrants and benefits.

Pray tell which countries have we bombed the crap out of? Do you have any proof of this taking in, rebuilding and enforced repratriation program? Seems someone else is a little bit guilty of whipping up frenzies.

[LadyNay]

wtf are you on about?


explain what you mean rather than make silly sweeping statements

I agree!! Sweeping statements are the crux of internet forum debates, are they not? I personally don't like to give an opinion unless I'm informed on it. And that's one of the things that wind me up about certain FM. Where the hell do they get their information?

My opinion is that I'm extremely privilaged to live in this country. It's one of the best countries in the WORLD to live in. Nostalgia is always an easy feeling to identify with & people always harp on about days gone by ... and the people in those days probably said the same things.

If people on this forum put half as much effort into researching their ideas than they do into sitting and arguing about them over the internet to strangers, I garuntee they'd feel more content.

[Eye_Spy]

Bombing them? What, you mean like the refugees from Etheopia that we all gave money to feed a couple of years ago? Or Rwanda, where our country sent troops to stop the militia there cutting the arms off of children? Or maybe Nigeria? We've a lot of refugees from Nigeria... no bombing there though. I think you'll find that most people who come to this country are economic refugees.

The problem with accepting so many refugees into the UK is that they are always placed in communities who are already economically disadvantaged. Maybe we should build a few reception centres in the more well-to-do areas. See how quickly the rules change.


i know we havant bombed everybody yet, but try kosovo, iraq and afghanistan for starters, have you forgottenthat war criminal and his cronies saying when we haverebuilt iraq we will send them back, until then we have to make them welcome and look after them?

when we give them money there are conditions usually, ie we send the company to mine copper and take your resources for the UK, such as happened in chile, i can give you a thousand examples, or we give you money to buy your vote in the UN so we can bomb some other defenseless 3rd world country.

perhaps if we stopped giving the banks trillions and stopped funding war to the tune of trillions, there would be enough wealth for everyone?

i think you will find nigeria has a lot of mineral wealth there, guess whose contries companies are in there mining the wealth for themselves?

[Livia]

lmao, what do you mean by unfortunately we don't live in the British empire??? You mean when you had invaded other countries?????

The Empire built the infrastructure of many countries, like India for example, and gave them a system of government. I'm not saying the Empire was a good thing... it wasn't. But although it took a lot, it gave back a little. Today's Britain is very different. Today we have a Commonwealth of countries consisting mainly of ex-Empire nations. People don't have to be members, but many do because it's beneficial to them. Mozambique, for example, was never part of the British Empire but chooses to be a part of the Commonwealth.

An Indian man once said to me, "Thank God it was the British who took India. It could have been France - or even worse - Germany!" If it hadn't been Britain back then, it would have been someone else. Many European countries had empires, but they don't feel the need to continuously beat themselves up about it because it happened in the different generation.

[Livia]

i know we havant bombed everybody yet.... etc. etc. etc...

Sorry, I'm not getting into this with you. Your post shows an almost super-human lack of understanding and comprehension. You blame Britain for everything, like we're the baddies and every other country is blameless. I can't debate with someone so blinkered.

[Angus]

well after bombing the crap out of their countries, we do take them in, promise to rebuild their countries and send them back. but lets not talk about the bombing, killing and maiming millions of innocent people on here eh? lets just whip up frenzies talking about immigrants and benefits.

Instead of just presenting your opinions as fait accomplis, why not engage in some proper debate with facts and figures and drop the patronising slurs?

There is still a deafening silence whilst I wait for a list of countries (or even one) that has a better record on immigration than Britain. We often have to clean up the mess of other western countries, who take a much harder and less sympathetic line towards people they have disenfranchised. And you need to get your wild accusations in synchronisation with actual facts; Britain is not responsible for all the ills of the world, but we do far more than our fair share in terms of aid and military support for oppressed countries.
Soldiers who serve in our armed forces do NOT make military decisions - that is for the politicians. Or do you suggest we scrap our armed forces altogether, lie down and not fight against oppression and blind hatred?

You are the one "whipping up frenzies", frothing at the mouth with wild accusations as to how Britain is bombing the crap out of other countries (that would be for no reason I suppose?:rolleyes:). Where is the responsibility of other western nations or is all your vitriol just reserved for Britain? Seriously we should be turning our attentions to the hate filled enemies WITHIN Britain; they are far more dangerous than any far flung ones.

[Eye_Spy]

The Empire built the infrastructure of many countries, like India for example, and gave them a system of government. I'm not saying the Empire was a good thing... it wasn't. But although it took a lot, it gave back a little. Today's Britain is very different. Today we have a Commonwealth of countries consisting mainly of ex-Empire nations. People don't have to be members, but many do because it's beneficial to them. Mozambique, for example, was never part of the British Empire but chooses to be a part of the Commonwealth.

An Indian man once said to me, "Thank God it was the British who took India. It could have been France - or even worse - Germany!" If it hadn't been Britain back then, it would have been someone else. Many European countries had empires, but they don't feel the need to continuously beat themselves up about it because it happened in the different generation.


yes thank god britain was the best of the worst invaders. hardly a pat on the back of endorsements there. That we 'britain' took so much and gave back so little, reveals it all. pretty disgusting really.

[Shasown]

lmao, what do you mean by unfortunately we don't live in the British empire??? You mean when you had invaded other countries?????

You mean we, dont you?

[Eye_Spy]

Instead of just presenting your opinions as fait accomplis, why not engage in some proper debate with facts and figures and drop the patronising slurs?

There is still a deafening silence whilst I wait for a list of countries (or even one) that has a better record on immigration than Britain. We often have to clean up the mess of other western countries, who take a much harder and less sympathetic line towards people they have disenfranchised. And you need to get your wild accusations in synchronisation with actual facts; Britain is not responsible for all the ills of the world, but we do far more than our fair share in terms of aid and military support for oppressed countries.
Soldiers who serve in our armed forces do NOT make military decisions - that is for the politicians. Or do you suggest we scrap our armed forces altogether, lie down and not fight against oppression and blind hatred?

You are the one "whipping up frenzies", frothing at the mouth with wild accusations as to how Britain is bombing the crap out of other countries (that would be for no reason I suppose?:rolleyes:). Where is the responsibility of other western nations or is all your vitriol just reserved for Britain? Seriously we should be turning our attentions to the hate filled enemies WITHIN Britain; they are far more dangerous than any far flung ones.


its you claiming we have the best record on immigrants, yet i see no figures from you in such claims.

the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?

of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

[Livia]

Instead of just presenting your opinions as fait accomplis, why not engage in some proper debate with facts and figures and drop the patronising slurs?

There is still a deafening silence whilst I wait for a list of countries (or even one) that has a better record on immigration than Britain. We often have to clean up the mess of other western countries, who take a much harder and less sympathetic line towards people they have disenfranchised. And you need to get your wild accusations in synchronisation with actual facts; Britain is not responsible for all the ills of the world, but we do far more than our fair share in terms of aid and military support for oppressed countries.
Soldiers who serve in our armed forces do NOT make military decisions - that is for the politicians. Or do you suggest we scrap our armed forces altogether, lie down and not fight against oppression and blind hatred?

You are the one "whipping up frenzies", frothing at the mouth with wild accusations as to how Britain is bombing the crap out of other countries (that would be for no reason I suppose?:rolleyes:). Where is the responsibility of other western nations or is all your vitriol just reserved for Britain? Seriously we should be turning our attentions to the hate filled enemies WITHIN Britain; they are far more dangerous than any far flung ones.


I'm going to save myself some time and just start tacking "I agree" on the end of your posts LOL...

[Angus]

yes thank god britain was the best of the worst invaders. hardly a pat on the back of endorsements there. That we 'britain' took so much and gave back so little, reveals it all. pretty disgusting really.

This is worthy of a graduate from the John James School of Harrassment and Ill-informed Tautology, or S.H.I.T.

[Eye_Spy]

This is worthy of a graduate from the John James School of Harrassment and Ill-informed Tautology, or S.H.I.T.

yes bring back the days of empire eh? you must be from Cannot Understand Nothing Told, or C.U.N.T

[Shasown]

its you claiming we have the best record on immigrants, yet i see no figures from you in such claims.

the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?
of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

Err no we havent, UK air strikes were used against artillery positions in countries that were the Former Republic of Yugoslavia, yes we used offensive airstrikes in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the UK air force only has two aircraft used in a ground attack role, neither is particularly suited to carpet bombing etc.

[Eye_Spy]

Err no we havent, UK air strikes were used against artillery positions in countries that were the Former Republic of Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan, the UK air force only has two aircraft used in a ground attack role, neither is particualr suited to carpet bombing etc.

LOl are you from the disinformation office?

[Shasown]

LOl are you from the disinformation office?
No I thought that was your job.

[Jamietwo]

I think the British in general are fairly friendly emotional people who are on the side of the underdog. If you think about some of the BB winners like Bez or Nadia for eg. One of the problems I percieve it that politics in the west have become little more than administrating capitalist excesses....the banks, economy etc. USA seems to be in the lead with this trend, closely followed by UK , while countries like Greece are still struggling to fight it, but they will be broken in like we have in time. This goes back to the Thatcher/Reagan years and as Thatcher said "there is no such thing as society", the rich poor divide and crime go hand in hand and immigration suits greedy entrepenures with cheap labour, while the working classes have to deal with the social problems. You don't find large immigrant communities in green belt Surrey for eg. It's a horrible mess. You may find a sense of freedom, civilsation and culture in meditteranean countries still, for a while. But no amount of heart felt people power can reverse the trend of capitalism. Islamic exremism/terrorism in part is a reaction to this trend as more and more pressure is put on those nations that are religious non-secular...Personally I prefer a secular society where religion is seperate from politics, but what we have is money led politics , ie of little philosophical or social importance, and it's in these areas we are suffering the most. I don't think there is anything we can do to reverse this trend, I believe it is going to get much much worse before there is any hope at all of a change in direction...we will probaly see a bigger divide in police/military v's people and at it's core is capitalism.

[Niamh.]

The Empire built the infrastructure of many countries, like India for example, and gave them a system of government. I'm not saying the Empire was a good thing... it wasn't. But although it took a lot, it gave back a little. Today's Britain is very different. Today we have a Commonwealth of countries consisting mainly of ex-Empire nations. People don't have to be members, but many do because it's beneficial to them. Mozambique, for example, was never part of the British Empire but chooses to be a part of the Commonwealth.

An Indian man once said to me, "Thank God it was the British who took India. It could have been France - or even worse - Germany!" If it hadn't been Britain back then, it would have been someone else. Many European countries had empires, but they don't feel the need to continuously beat themselves up about it because it happened in the different generation.

Whether you gave them good infrastructure or not does not justify taking a country that doesn't want to be taken, with all due respect. I'm sure if ye still had control of the republic of Ireland our roads would be better too but I'd rather be Irish tbh.

[ElProximo]

yes thank god britain was the best of the worst invaders. hardly a pat on the back of endorsements there. That we 'britain' took so much and gave back so little, reveals it all. pretty disgusting really.

Wrong.
Britain didn't invade (all) these places and did one helluva amazing job governing many of these places to the great benefit of those who lived there were were (and still are) entirely happy it happened.

People talk about 'racism' and I just cringe to think of what this world would be like had the UK (and some others) not gone about colonizing the way they did. The disparity in this planet would be so shocking as to have us entirely different 'worlds' of humans on a scale making Rome seem egalitarian.

Can you comb through centuries of millions of people over thousands of regions and find some bad examples:
Yes.
That doesn't change what was overall a massively beneficial concept to start with and ultimately prove excellent for most people involved.

Doesn't matter much now anyways. Britain (as we knew it) will be gone soon. Its own liberal white guilty hand is killing itself. Nobody is asking for it either.
Don't worry, Muslims are here to take over. You think you regret 'discrimination' and 'racism' now.. they will show you what REAL discrimination and racism is really all about lol

Whether you gave them good infrastructure or not does not justify taking a country that doesn't want to be taken, with all due respect. I'm sure if ye still had control of the republic of Ireland our roads would be better too but I'd rather be Irish tbh.

Uh no. Back up a little. You HAVE ROADS and cars and electricity and are a modern country and not a 'third world' because Great Britain DID put that in place for you.
That is STILL the reason why you are a modern European country because if you were moved over to Greenland you'd be irrelevant and quickly degenerate into a sort of frozen Tongo requiring international aid to keep afloat.
:xyxwave:

[Eye_Spy]

No I thought that was your job.

here you go http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3531871

small snippet.

At roughly 7pm (GMT) on Wednesday 24th May 1999, NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Europe launched a sustained bombing strike against Yugoslav military targets in retaliation for the Yugoslavian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties RAF Harriers of No.1 Squadron and Tristar tankers operating from Italian airfields took part in the campaign,

[Shasown]

Whether you gave them good infrastructure or not does not justify taking a country that doesn't want to be taken, with all due respect. I'm sure if ye still had control of the republic of Ireland our roads would be better too but I'd rather be Irish tbh.

Even if the Republic Of ireland was still part of the UK you would still be Irish, just like the Taffs are still Welsh and the jocks are still Scottish. (Whether we like it or not).

[Niamh.]

This argument should probably be moved to serious debates or something!

[Niamh.]

Even if the Republic Of ireland was still part of the UK you would still be Irish, just like the Taffs are still Welsh and the jocks are still Scottish. (Whether we like it or not).

We would be British also though and it's not meant disrespectfully but I don't want to be British, just Irish is fine.

[crit]

If the UK is such a terrible place why do people keep trying to come here to live, legally or illegally?

[Eye_Spy]

This argument should probably be moved to serious debates or something!


yes into the all immigrants out and support your local BNP dustbin where it belongs. thats what happens when people try to stir up frenzies against immigrants and bomb all the mothers etc.

[Angus]

its you claiming we have the best record on immigrants, yet i see no figures from you in such claims.

the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?

of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

I'm not "claiming" anything - the statistics are well documented and there for anyone to see, if they actually want the truth and not their own fantasies. You do know how to google don't you?

But at least in this post, I can spot some semblance of an argument emerging from your ramblings- the fact that our armed forces are deployed to fight oppressive regimes in other parts of the world and thereby bring peace and liberty to those countries, when in fact they should be in existence to merely defend our own borders?

Is that your grievance? There is already a thread on this in "Serious Debates" about whether Britain should be the policeman of the world, and there is not a lot of consensus for turning a blind eye and ignoring the plight of people living under cruel dictatorships.

I repeat, don't blame the servicemen and women, blame the politicians, and make your feelings known via the ballot box, since Britain is still a democracy, last time I looked.

[Niamh.]

I won't even dignify your post with a reply El Proximo:hugesmile:

[Angus]

yes bring back the days of empire eh? you must be from Cannot Understand Nothing Told, or C.U.N.T

2/10 for effort, but fails since it has no intrinsic meaning or relevance:D

[Eye_Spy]

I'm not "claiming" anything - the statistics are well documented and there for anyone to see, if they actually want the truth and not their own fantasies. You do know how to google don't you?

But at least in this post, I can spot some semblance of an argument emerging from your ramblings- the fact that our armed forces are deployed to fight oppressive regimes in other parts of the world and thereby bring peace and liberty to those countries, when in fact they should be in existence to merely defend our own borders?

Is that your grievance? There is already a thread on this in "Serious Debates" about whether Britain should be the policeman of the world, and there is not a lot of consensus for turning a blind eye and ignoring the plight of people living under cruel dictatorships.

I repeat, don't blame the servicemen and women, blame the politicians, and make your feelings known via the ballot box, since Britain is still a democracy, last time I looked.

agreed, its those greedy corrupt politicians, the army are only following orders, just like hitlers gasmen were following orders, so who can blame them right?

the same can be said for the immigration policy, dont blame the immigrants blame the politicians, go to the ballot box

[Shasown]

here you go small snippet.

At roughly 7pm (GMT) on Wednesday 24th May 1999, NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Europe launched a sustained bombing strike against Yugoslav military targets in retaliation for the Yugoslavian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties RAF Harriers of No.1 Squadron and Tristar tankers operating from Italian airfields took part in the campaign,

Yes I know they did, I was painting targets at the time. You will notice the words I have highlighted in your C&P - "bombing strike against Yugoslav military targets"

The harrier was the GR7, it carries max payload of 8000 lbs that would also include its ECM pods, Fuel tanks for the trips, actual bombs carried would have been two x 500lbs or a single centre line 1000lb. Hardly enough for carpet bombing.

[Eye_Spy]

Yes I know they did, I was painting targets at the time. You will notice the words I have highlighted in your C&P - "bombing strike against Yugoslav military targets"

The harrier was the GR7, it carries max payload of 8000 lbs that would also include its ECM pods, Fuel tanks for the trips, actual bombs carried would have been two x 500lbs or a single centre line 1000lb. Hardly enough for carpet bombing.


try googling landmineaction dot org resources, it gives you the ingo you need there to get up to speed sonny. links dont seem to work here.

[BB_Eye]

I think part of the reason the UK is more politically correct and multicultural than the rest of Europe is because our indigenous culture and history is so dull. Britain was always better known for its innovations in the natural sciences than the arts, where the French, Germans, Dutch and Italians outclass us to the point of being embarrassing.

Part of the problem is that nationalism and patriotism as we understand it today originated in the 19th century... a time when folk art and nationalist music of Wagner, Chopin and Tchaikovsky was celebrated. Obviously Germans are not so proud of their country (despite their rich heritage) because of the Third Reich, but it is easy to understand why they had so much to be proud of before all of that.

All that Britain represented in the 19th century was the chest-beating pomp of Lord Nelson, Queen Victoria and the British Empire. We even had to make up our own folk stories like the legend of King Arthur, because our medieval literary heritage was so barren. Britain suffered a similar predicament to many other anglophone countries. Its traditions lie in the valuing enterprise over creativity and pragmatism over idealism. As a result, Britain is culturally impoverished and doomed to forever suffer an inferiority complex towards its neighbours.

[Shasown]

try googling landmineaction dot org resources, it gives you the ingo you need there to get up to speed sonny. links dont seem to work here.

PMSL I dont need to google anything, and I am probably a little older than you.

[Lewis.]

No. Try living in Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe...

This. We've got it good over here. We live in a democracy where people can choose what they want to happen. Yes, the government have got quite a few things wrong over time, but i'd rather be paying 2p more for my my packet of polo's than be hunted and killed for moaning about it. Consider yourself lucky.

[Eye_Spy]

PMSL I dont need to google anything, and I am probably a little older than you.

i am sure you dont, never let the truth get in the way of a good fairytale, seems to be your motto.

[Shasown]

i am sure you dont, never let the truth get in the way of a good fairytale, seems to be your motto.

Is that the best you can come up with?

Where in any of your wiki quotes does it say we caused thousands of casualties in Kosovo by offensive air? In fact wasnt there praise of the 6 aircraft from 1(F) squadron operating out of Gioia del Colle because of the accuracy of the strikes against Serb military positions?

Incidentally on the raids of the 24th, only one RAF dropped ordnance, the rest of the aircraft returned to Italy still fully loaded. That was to prevent hitting civvy targets by mistake. Different story on the 25th and subsequent raids.

[shaz20]

Can I ask why this is posted in a BB forum? Surely there are political forums in which you can discuss this, I dont think the Big brother tv programme can address your issues.

[ElProximo]

I won't even dignify your post with a reply El Proximo:hugesmile:

Speaking English was all the dignifying I could ask for.

[Angus]

I think part of the reason the UK is more politically correct and multicultural than the rest of Europe is because our indigenous culture and history is so dull. Britain was always better known for its innovations in the natural sciences than the arts, where the French, Germans, Dutch and Italians outclass us to the point of being embarrassing.

Part of the problem is that nationalism and patriotism as we understand it today originated in the 19th century... a time when folk art and nationalist music of Wagner, Chopin and Tchaikovsky was celebrated. Obviously Germans are not so proud of their country (despite their rich heritage) because of the Third Reich, but it is easy to understand why they had so much to be proud of before all of that.

All that Britain represented in the 19th century was the chest-beating pomp of Lord Nelson, Queen Victoria and the British Empire. We even had to make up our own folk stories like the legend of King Arthur, because our medieval literary heritage was so barren. Britain suffered a similar predicament to many other anglophone countries. Its traditions lie in the valuing enterprise over creativity and pragmatism over idealism. As a result, Britain is culturally impoverished and doomed to forever suffer an inferiority complex towards its neighbours.


I've seldom read such tosh - Britain has a rich and magnificent history and has contributed greatly to the world in terms of literature, art, engineering, technology, exploration, science, medicine, invention etc etc.

We are such a fractured society that there is no national cohesion or common purpose any more, and I doubt we will ever again see the kind of unity and love of country that helped us stand alone for two years during WW2.

As a Brit, far from suffering from an inferiority complex, I am extremely proud of our heritage and contribution to the world, and grateful to the servicemen who died in order to keep this country safe from invasion and occupation.

[Angus]

Can I ask why this is posted in a BB forum? Surely there are political forums in which you can discuss this, I dont think the Big brother tv programme can address your issues.

Precisely what I queried in my first post on this thread - where are the mods? They should have moved this to Serious Debates by now.

[StGeorge]

yes thank god britain was the best of the worst invaders. hardly a pat on the back of endorsements there. That we 'britain' took so much and gave back so little, reveals it all. pretty disgusting really.

Er....i think you need to get a grip.

I would like to point out, to the less fortunate on here who seem to have missed out on an education, that Britain was invaded long before it started invading others.
I refuse to apologise because my ancestors were better at kicking arse than others....I WASNT AROUND BACK THEN. And when the Italians, French, Germans, Scandinavians etc apologise for invading Britain....then a serious dialogue may be achieved. Until then i'll let their ancient conquests go as i can understand that it has nothing to do with the modern day incumbents of those countries.

As for our modern invasions....correct me if im wrong, but Iraq was invaded by a UN backed force initially due to Iraq illegally invading a sovereign country, Kuwait. The subsequent invasion was after successive attempts to bring the Iraqi regime back to the rule of international law and not mass murder Kurds, Shiites etc.
And the Afghan invasion was perhaps due in main to a little event that happened in NY 09.11.2001.

100% behind both current wars.

[StGeorge]

the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.
No Iraq invaded Kuwait..OVER OIL.. and we under a coalition backed by the UN kicked them out and then removed the regime once it had murdered a mass of Kurds & Shiites and made it blindingly obvious it was hell bent on more atrocities.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?
I think you will find we bombed Serbia as they were slaughtering ethnic Albanians in Kosovo. You really need to educate yourself before spouting garbage.

of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

100% agree bad policy....but if we didnt arm them and try to influence their internal policies, then some other dickwad would step in.

[StGeorge]

Whether you gave them good infrastructure or not does not justify taking a country that doesn't want to be taken, with all due respect. I'm sure if ye still had control of the republic of Ireland our roads would be better too but I'd rather be Irish tbh.

Very noble Niam, but unfortunately even the Irish are not exempt from a little bit of holiday invading themselves....The Scots were an Irish tribe that invaded "Pictland" and did a bit of re-educating the local populace to the Scots way of thinking. Hence you now have Scotland and Scots, and the Picts have been assimilated (or worse).

[StGeorge]

At roughly 7pm (GMT) on Wednesday 24th May 1999, NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Europe launched a sustained bombing strike against Yugoslav military targets in retaliation for the Yugoslavian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties RAF Harriers of No.1 Squadron and Tristar tankers operating from Italian airfields took part in the campaign,

Ah just seen this....so you are familiar with the historical event then?

So if as you say....we bombed certain Serbian military targets due to the Serbian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties....how the hell can you say we bombed Kosovo???? And i take it millions were not killed here?

[Shasown]

Very noble Niam, but unfortunately even the Irish are not exempt from a little bit of holiday invading themselves....The Scots were an Irish tribe that invaded "Pictland" and did a bit of re-educating the local populace to the Scots way of thinking. Hence you now have Scotland and Scots, and the Picts have been assimilated (or worse).

Niamh has conveniently forgotten that while the British were busing making the Empire and invading all those poor countries, Irishmen joined up locally raised regiments of the British Army voluntarily. Hence such famous and historic names Royal Irish Dragoon Guards, 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars,
Irish Guards. Queen's Royal Irish Hussars, Royal Irish Artillery, Royal Irish Lancers, Royal Irish Rangers, Connaught Rangers, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers,
Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment, North Irish Horse, Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Royal Irish Fusiliers, Royal Irish Regiment (1684-1922) Royal Ulster Rifles,
Royal Munster Fusiliers, South Irish Horse.

[crit]

Very noble Niam, but unfortunately even the Irish are not exempt from a little bit of holiday invading themselves....The Scots were an Irish tribe that invaded "Pictland" and did a bit of re-educating the local populace to the Scots way of thinking. Hence you now have Scotland and Scots, and the Picts have been assimilated (or worse).


Dont forget the Irish invasions of Wales and how the Irish took the Welsh as slaves. St Patrick himself Welsh was made a slave by the irish.


Slavery is a part of most nations history, nothing to be proud of but nobody can use it as a stick to beat other nations with as it was universal practice for everyone at one time or another.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

[StGeorge]

We would be British also though and it's not meant disrespectfully but I don't want to be British, just Irish is fine.

I 100% respect that....its a shame though i'm not allowed to be English with my own English parliament and national anthem. :rolleyes:

[StGeorge]

Dont forget the Irish invasions of Wales and how the Irish took the Welsh as slaves. St Patrick himself Welsh was made a slave by the irish.


Slavery is a part of most nations history, nothing to be proud of but nobody can use it as a stick to beat other nations with as it was universal practice for everyone at one time or another.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

I guess this is a good point to add this:

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

and

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

[Shasown]

and

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

Nah people in glass houses shouldnt walk around naked.

[crit]

I 100% respect that....its a shame though i'm not allowed to be English with my own English parliament and national anthem. :rolleyes:

This!

The English are treated like an unimportant underclass. We deserve an English Parliament to deal with English matters, just like the Welsh, N Irish and Scots.

[Niamh.]

Very noble Niam, but unfortunately even the Irish are not exempt from a little bit of holiday invading themselves....The Scots were an Irish tribe that invaded "Pictland" and did a bit of re-educating the local populace to the Scots way of thinking. Hence you now have Scotland and Scots, and the Picts have been assimilated (or worse).

Niamh has conveniently forgotten that while the British were busing making the Empire and invading all those poor countries, Irishmen joined up locally raised regiments of the British Army voluntarily. Hence such famous and historic names Royal Irish Dragoon Guards, 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars,
Irish Guards. Queen's Royal Irish Hussars, Royal Irish Artillery, Royal Irish Lancers, Royal Irish Rangers, Connaught Rangers, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers,
Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment, North Irish Horse, Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Royal Irish Fusiliers, Royal Irish Regiment (1684-1922) Royal Ulster Rifles,
Royal Munster Fusiliers, South Irish Horse.

Dont forget the Irish invasions of Wales and how the Irish took the Welsh as slaves. St Patrick himself Welsh was made a slave by the irish.


Slavery is a part of most nations history, nothing to be proud of but nobody can use it as a stick to beat other nations with as it was universal practice for everyone at one time or another.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

I guess this is a good point to add this:

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

and

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

Touche! I'm obviously not as well up on my history as ye are:hugesmile: And I do enjoy reading you're posts. Same can not be said for some other blatantly rude and ignorant posters (one in particular) who shall remain nameless!!!

[StGeorge]

I think part of the reason the UK is more politically correct and multicultural than the rest of Europe is because our indigenous culture and history is so dull. Britain was always better known for its innovations in the natural sciences than the arts, where the French, Germans, Dutch and Italians outclass us to the point of being embarrassing.

Part of the problem is that nationalism and patriotism as we understand it today originated in the 19th century... a time when folk art and nationalist music of Wagner, Chopin and Tchaikovsky was celebrated. Obviously Germans are not so proud of their country (despite their rich heritage) because of the Third Reich, but it is easy to understand why they had so much to be proud of before all of that.

All that Britain represented in the 19th century was the chest-beating pomp of Lord Nelson, Queen Victoria and the British Empire. We even had to make up our own folk stories like the legend of King Arthur, because our medieval literary heritage was so barren. Britain suffered a similar predicament to many other anglophone countries. Its traditions lie in the valuing enterprise over creativity and pragmatism over idealism. As a result, Britain is culturally impoverished and doomed to forever suffer an inferiority complex towards its neighbours.

Maybe our indigenous culture would of come to the fore if these islands weren't invaded by the culturally superiour and artistically minded Italians, Germans and Franks????

[StGeorge]

Touche! I'm obviously not as well up on my history as ye are:hugesmile: And I do enjoy reading you're posts. Same can not be said for some other blatantly rude and ignorant posters (one in particular) who shall remain nameless!!!

Im proud to call myself English....and even British if pushed....but that doesnt mean i agree with all our colonial past.
The fact is though, i wasnt around to influence those times.

[Niamh.]

Im proud to call myself English....and even British if pushed....but that doesnt mean i agree with all our colonial past.
The fact is though, i wasnt around to influence those times.

Of course you weren't:hugesmile:, it's the more extreme and dis respectful posters that annoy me, I'm actually quite interested in learning more about the histories of different countries and enjoy your posts alot, you seem very knowledgeable on the subject.

[BB_Eye]

I've seldom read such tosh - Britain has a rich and magnificent history and has contributed greatly to the world in terms of literature, art, engineering, technology, exploration, science, medicine, invention etc etc.

Britain's achievements in engineering, technology, science and medicine are redundant for this argument as I already mentioned, Britain being traditionally empiricist, has excelled in the natural sciences (including business and economics), had you read my post properly instead of leaping for the nearest available platitude.

I am not downplaying Britain's cultural output when we speak about authors and playwrights such as Shakespeare, Marlowe, Chaucher, Milton, Blake, et al. It's just that Britain has been relatively bereft of contributions to painting, sculpture, architecture and music compared to its continental neighbours and it's not as if lack of wealth was ever an excuse. Britain has historically preferred to focus its resources on the military, empire and enterprise than on patronising the arts.

It really says something that the reputedly 'patriotic' political right, the very people who appoint themselves as Britain's cultural guardians regard British writers and intellectuals as an elitist literati and have historically been philistines and champions of censorship.

But then it is only part of a bigger picture. Our fragmented identity is deep rooted. The British Isles' medieval history consists of one occupation after another.


We are such a fractured society that there is no national cohesion or common purpose any more, and I doubt we will ever again see the kind of unity and love of country that helped us stand alone for two years during WW2.

As a Brit, far from suffering from an inferiority complex, I am extremely proud of our heritage and contribution to the world, and grateful to the servicemen who died in order to keep this country safe from invasion and occupation.

Way to simplify/misrepresent my argument. Once again, I am not saying Britain was in short supply of scientists, engineers and military personell. Only that many of our more quaint traditions such as morris dancing, Last Night of the Proms and British food invite sneering and ridicule from other countries.

[StGeorge]

Of course you weren't:hugesmile:, it's the more extreme and dis respectful posters that annoy me, I'm actually quite interested in learning more about the histories of different countries and enjoy your posts alot, you seem very knowledgeable on the subject.

Thanks Niam. I think i've mentioned before, that it was the realisation of my own ignorance over the Falklands, that made me start to find out as much of the truth as possible before spouting off.

In your own country for example, its so easy for people from all sides to condemn each other, but i just think its a damn shame that the mistakes of partition and bigotted views have allowed the situation to go on for decades. And we call ourselves civilised. It's taken so long to just talk and even now there are still some that are trying to undermine peace..its so crazy.
I just hope your future family and beyond have better times without conflict.

I may agree with our present wars overseas to a certain degree, but i would just love to make all of our armed forces redundant due to no wars.
There are never any winners in War.

[StGeorge]

Way to simplify/misrepresent my argument. Once again, I am not saying Britain was in short supply of scientists, engineers and military personell. Only that many of our more quaint traditions such as morris dancing, Last Night of the Proms and British food invite sneering and ridicule from other countries.

Maybe not everyone is ridiculing us as you say:
quote: In the context of classical music festivals, Jiří Bělohlávek has described The Proms as "the world's largest and most democratic musical festival"

The playing of predominantly British music on the Last Night is a celebration of Britain and ***** any Jonny Foreigner who wants to ridicule it.
Quote: This sequence traditionally begins with Edward Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 (Land of Hope and Glory), and continues with Sir Henry Wood's Fantasia on British Sea Songs, which culminates in Thomas Arne’s Rule, Britannia!. The concert concludes with Hubert Parry's Jerusalem (a setting of a poem by William Blake), and the British national anthem.

I repeat..if people want to take the piss out of that then *****'em.

Quote: Morris Dancing is commonly thought of as a uniquely English activity, although there are around 150 morris sides (or teams) in the United States. British expatriates form a larger part of the morris tradition in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Hong Kong. There are isolated groups in other countries, for example those in Utrecht, Netherlands, the Arctic Morris Group of Helsinki[1] and Stockholm[2], as well as in Cyprus and Alsace, France.
To be honest....i think MD sucks.

And lets take a close look at British food....the most popular food in Britain by all accounts is an Indian. :rolleyes:
But i would rather that or Bangers & Mash, to Sauerkraut(?) or Frogs Legs. :yuk:

[Scarlett.]

if I had the money I would leave this sh**hole the very next morning

i'll give you few reasons

1. Pathetic justice system (eg a gang of youths beat someone to death and they get 12 years in a cushy prison)

2. Too much uncontrolled immigration. So, really this isn't a country anymore anyway, it's just a region of Europe.

3. Drinking culture. Every Friday, Saturday night streets of Britain get filled with drunken yobs and slappers.

4. High on target list for Islamic terrorism.

5. Economic crisis has left the country *******ed up. Banks have stolen the public's money and the people are too thick to realise and just accept what politicians tell them.

Sorry to tell you, but this list describes most of the western world countries

[hotleggs]

Modern British culture pisses me off I'll say. There are many countries more beautiful in many ways that I would prefer to live in. I mean European countries like Italy, Spain, France and Germany have remained very respectable nations over the years and still have great culture. Italy is a magnificent country.

I don't like UK and I would love to get outta' here when I'm older.

dont let the door hit you on the way out , byeeeeeeeeee

[BB_Eye]

Maybe not everyone is ridiculing us as you say:
quote: In the context of classical music festivals, Jiří Bělohlávek has described The Proms as "the world's largest and most democratic musical festival"

It's a great festival, but the Last Night seems like such a meaningless ritual.

The playing of predominantly British music on the Last Night is a celebration of Britain and ***** any Jonny Foreigner who wants to ridicule it.
Quote: This sequence traditionally begins with Edward Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 (Land of Hope and Glory), and continues with Sir Henry Wood's Fantasia on British Sea Songs, which culminates in Thomas Arne’s Rule, Britannia!. The concert concludes with Hubert Parry's Jerusalem (a setting of a poem by William Blake), and the British national anthem.

I repeat..if people want to take the piss out of that then *****'em.

To each their own

Quote: Morris Dancing is commonly thought of as a uniquely English activity, although there are around 150 morris sides (or teams) in the United States. British expatriates form a larger part of the morris tradition in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Hong Kong. There are isolated groups in other countries, for example those in Utrecht, Netherlands, the Arctic Morris Group of Helsinki[1] and Stockholm[2], as well as in Cyprus and Alsace, France.
To be honest....i think MD sucks.

That's interesting, but it also leads me to think it's a shame we get recognised as a British peculiarity if it's an international phenomenon. It makes us seem less unique. It definitely debunks a few myths though.

And lets take a close look at British food....the most popular food in Britain by all accounts is an Indian. :rolleyes:
But i would rather that or Bangers & Mash, to Sauerkraut(?) or Frogs Legs. :yuk:

Well the Tikka Masala originated in Britain at least. Shame I can't stand the stuff... give me a Madras any day. Sneering aside, you can't go wrong with toad in the hole. :thumbs:

[StGeorge]

It's a great festival, but the Last Night seems like such a meaningless ritual.



To each their own






True....Last Night doesnt float my boat much, but i'd rather sit through that than watch some poor terrified Bulls being slowly stabbed to death.

[brian3]

Britain is one of the more open minded parts in the world.

[Eye_Spy]

Ah just seen this....so you are familiar with the historical event then?

So if as you say....we bombed certain Serbian military targets due to the Serbian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties....how the hell can you say we bombed Kosovo???? And i take it millions were not killed here?

yes, we cluster bombed it, you do know what cluster bombing is dont you. Or are you under the disinformation brigade that cluster bombs can differentiate between military and civillians.

try getting your sources from independent orgs, instead of the government mouthpiece the BBC if you want to rescue your last shred of credability.

[Eye_Spy]

Er....i think you need to get a grip.


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And the Afghan invasion was perhaps due in main to a little event that happened in NY 09.11.2001.

100% behind both current wars.

OMG ignorance at its most heinious, what has afghanistan or iraq got to do with 9/11? the bombers we are led to believe were saudis werent they? it was amazing though that 12 of the 19 named hijackers turned up alive and well according to mainstream media, LOL, wonder how they managed that?

[StGeorge]

yes, we cluster bombed it, you do know what cluster bombing is dont you. Or are you under the disinformation brigade that cluster bombs can differentiate between military and civillians.

try getting your sources from independent orgs, instead of the government mouthpiece the BBC if you want to rescue your last shred of credability.

Oh dear....ive just realised..you really are an arsehole.

[StGeorge]

OMG ignorance at its most heinious, what has afghanistan or iraq got to do with 9/11? the bombers we are led to believe were saudis werent they? it was amazing though that 12 of the 19 named hijackers turned up alive and well according to mainstream media, LOL, wonder how they managed that?

wow you really are an uneducated twat.

BTW, i dont need to watch tv to get my info....my job involves security of utility infrastructure, and i have been educated in these matters by people who know more about international terrorism than you or i or the BBC....i'll take their views before i listen to a fool like you.
Thats my last word on this as you have absolutely no idea what your talking about.

[iRyan]

IDK about Britian but I think certain states here in America are the most prejudice places in the world.

States like West Virginia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, etc are just full of ignorant hicks.