The thumb sucking assassin!

[Linto99]

Just watched the whole thing on HL show between JJ and Josie. Quite disturbing to watch. JJ actually seems quite fearful of Josie. He is pussyfooting about her because he just does not want to lose her friendship, and seems to like to have her to cling on too. He's quite emotionally un-balanced. She is aware of this and is dangling him like a puppet. He's obviously not as tuned in psycholigically, like Josie is!

Her true colours are showing and she is one manipulative woman, playing housemates against each other! Dangerous woman! John James should have kept on running out the fire exit!

[moghirl]

I agree with all your observations .. JJ does at certain times seem frightened of Josie .. remember back in the bedroom, in the first week or so, I think it was, Josie put JJ in his place and had him in tears .. he's not as tuned in emotionally as she is and he's paying the price for that ..

I think he feels safe under the duvet but Josie invades his space anytime he tries to be alone and gather his thoughts in bed .. he's no match for Josie .. she's one tough cookie and is manipulating the life out of him.

[the-gaffer]

He is frightened of hurting her, he has obviously been burned badly in the past and doesn't want to do it to her, she just doesn't want him to say the words "I'm not sexually attracted to you" for all of Britain to see and read

[Fowley]

I agree with all your observations .. JJ does at certain times seem frightened of Josie .. remember back in the bedroom, in the first week or so, I think it was, Josie put JJ in his place and had him in tears .. he's not as tuned in emotionally as she is and he's paying the price for that ..

I think he feels safe under the duvet but Josie invades his space anytime he tries to be alone and gather his thoughts in bed .. he's no match for Josie .. she's one tough cookie and is manipulating the life out of him.

Not really, when they were in the bed, she said it straight out that she knew he didnt fancy her and he didnt feel the same about her, josie doesnt invade his space perfect example after all the drama and **** and john james and josie were talking on the sofa he told her he wasnt leaving the bed and neither was she.. so he wants her in his bed?

[Fowley]

& it wasnt josie that put john james in tears i dont think, he was upset because he upset her.. which is pretty understandable after he compared their situation to shabby & caoimhe :laugh: when he has been leading her on for ages. And what was with all the kissing? after him saying he didnt feel the same...

[Brekkie]

She was at her worst tonight - all he did was try and be honest with her, but everytime he tries to talk to her she cuts him off completely and gets all moody, and basically laughs in his face.

She was a complete selfish cow whilst he was in the camera runs - couldn't care less about how John James felt and was only worried how it affected her, and then on his return despite John James clearly having a lot he needs to talk about she just shuts him down completely, bans him from talking about his feelings and even stops him talking to BB about those feelings.

And then John James has to spend the rest of the day apologising for trying to be honest as Josie just laughs it off.


There is only one person leading the other on in this relationship - and it's not John James.

[DavinamcCaw]

She was at her worst tonight - all he did was try and be honest with her, but everytime he tries to talk to her she cuts him off completely and gets all moody, and basically laughs in his face.

She was a complete selfish cow whilst he was in the camera runs - couldn't care less about how John James felt and was only worried how it affected her, and then on his return despite John James clearly having a lot he needs to talk about she just shuts him down completely, bans him from talking about his feelings and even stops him talking to BB about those feelings.

And then John James has to spend the rest of the day apologising for trying to be honest as Josie just laughs it off.


There is only one person leading the other on in this relationship - and it's not John James.


She is playing him and he is falling for it.

[Linto99]

She was at her worst tonight - all he did was try and be honest with her, but everytime he tries to talk to her she cuts him off completely and gets all moody, and basically laughs in his face.

She was a complete selfish cow whilst he was in the camera runs - couldn't care less about how John James felt and was only worried how it affected her, and then on his return despite John James clearly having a lot he needs to talk about she just shuts him down completely, bans him from talking about his feelings and even stops him talking to BB about those feelings.

And then John James has to spend the rest of the day apologising for trying to be honest as Josie just laughs it off.


There is only one person leading the other on in this relationship - and it's not John James.

Agree 100% and I really liked Josie at the beginning. 4-6 weeks in and they show their true colours! I'm not a JJ fan, but if he was my son I would want him away from Josie LIKE NOW!

[Caroline592]

Stop showing me up John. Stop showing me up John.
I just could not believe what I was hearing.

[Fowley]

She was at her worst tonight - all he did was try and be honest with her, but everytime he tries to talk to her she cuts him off completely and gets all moody, and basically laughs in his face.

She was a complete selfish cow whilst he was in the camera runs - couldn't care less about how John James felt and was only worried how it affected her, and then on his return despite John James clearly having a lot he needs to talk about she just shuts him down completely, bans him from talking about his feelings and even stops him talking to BB about those feelings.

And then John James has to spend the rest of the day apologising for trying to be honest as Josie just laughs it off.


There is only one person leading the other on in this relationship - and it's not John James.

why would she care about him in the camera runs? he was after comparing their situation to caoimhe & shabby. john james has been leading josie on for ages now... and he was just creating a bigger drama outta it by breaking the lock and leaving :laugh:
and josie didnt shut him down, when they were outside the diary room, he wanted to talk to her so she said ok, they went to the sofa and he told her he just wanted to forget what he said... so its all josie's fault ? :laugh:

[Jords]

John James over-played the situation like usual, thats all.

[Fowley]

John James over-played the situation like usual, thats all.

exactly why is josie getting blamed for john james actions tonight? :laugh:

[Linto99]

& it wasnt josie that put john james in tears i dont think, he was upset because he upset her.. which is pretty understandable after he compared their situation to shabby & caoimhe :laugh: when he has been leading her on for ages. And what was with all the kissing? after him saying he didnt feel the same...

He was dead right, it is the same situation as Shabby and Caoimhe! Josie is obsessed with him and he doesn't want to hurt her or show her up in any way! His biggest mistake was to tell Josie that the situation was the same!

[Fowley]

Stop showing me up John. Stop showing me up John.
I just could not believe what I was hearing.

He finally tells her he doesnt fancy her.. she wants a few minutes alone, he follows her around the house.. then he gets all upset, what does he expect? then breaks out.. of course shes going to be like that, john james was just causing a bigger drama outta it, then if he had just left her alone for awhile..

[the-gaffer]

She was obviously cutting him off because she didn't want to here the "I don't feel that way about you speech"

Thats pretty normal for someone in her situation particularly if a couple of Million people might be watching it unfold

As for her saying "Don't make a fool of me" again, that is because she didn't want to become the focal point of a conversation that went like "John doesn't fancy Josie"

She doesn't need Michael Fish to come in the house and tell her when its pissing down

[Fowley]

He was dead right, it is the same situation as Shabby and Caoimhe! Josie is obsessed with him and he doesn't want to hurt her or show her up in any way! His biggest mistake was to tell Josie that the situation was the same!

Its not the same situation. caoimhe & shabby didnt cuddle at night and kiss, they didnt have the blankets over their heads constantly.. they didnt stay in bed all day together..
and anyways, if john james doesnt like josie and all that ****.. why did he kiss her? after telling her that day he didnt fancy her.. :laugh:

[ibook4113]

I have always been uncomfortable when Josie makes comments about being shown up. John James does this because he takes things very to heart, and what she does is turn the situation round to her, which makes it worse. If she was really a friend she would go up to him and try and have a proper talk rather than making jokes and laughing about what they are both saying, because she is trivialising John James' feelings which is something that he feels he is doing to her. She is actually quite selfish i think.

[as90]

When josie comes on the LF now i either have to look away, pause it or at least put the sound down.

[Linto99]

Its not the same situation. caoimhe & shabby didnt cuddle at night and kiss, they didnt have the blankets over their heads constantly.. they didnt stay in bed all day together..
and anyways, if john james doesnt like josie and all that ****.. why did he kiss her? after telling her that day he didnt fancy her.. :laugh:

He kissed her because she asked for a kiss! and he willingly obliges because he does not want to face her wrath AGAIN!!! so yes he is making it worse for himself, he should just let her go off in a huff and ignore her completely and mix more with the other housemates! but he wants to keep her as a friend, so goes along with it all ' to please her ' Silly Boy!

[Brekkie]

She was obviously cutting him off because she didn't want to here the "I don't feel that way about you speech"


If she wasn't such a bitch though and let him say what he actually wants to say she'd find out he actually cares for her a lot more than she might have thought, even if life after BB with Josie is likely to involve being chained to a bed in some basement in Bristol.

[bansheewails]

Everyone sees what they want to see.

All I saw was a man saying the right thing, but in a very very bad way. An embarassed woman who wanted to get away from the situation and the man trying to explain in a bad way.

JJ needs to stop with the kissing and hugging, Josie needs to distance herself from JJ.

And Ben needs to start knowing when to keep his big mouth closed (nothing to do with the situation, but I thought I would add it because I felt like it) :D

[Jords]

exactly why is josie getting blamed for john james actions tonight? :laugh:

No idea, theyve both been in the wrong at some points but this was clearly blown WAY out of hand by John James, it was all put on I reckon. He made sure both Josie and JJ knew he broke out so they'd come for him to get him back.

[Fowley]

He kissed her because she asked for a kiss! and he willingly obliges because he does not want to face her wrath AGAIN!!! so yes he is making it worse for himself, he should just let her go off in a huff and ignore her completely and mix more with the other housemates! but he wants to keep her as a friend, so goes along with it all ' to please her ' Silly Boy!

No she asked for a kiss in the morning, before he told her he didnt feel the same about her, then after all that drama later on that night when they were in bed again because john james wouldnt move and he wouldnt let josie move, he kissed her..right at the end of the HL show.

[ibook4113]

she always talks about this wall that she has let down for him. But he has let down a wall just as much. Josie has trapped him in her wall though, and every time he upsets or annoys her she chucks him out and he feels vulnerable, he feels safe with Josie. If josie was a real friend she would realise that he finds her safe and trustworthy.

[poejoe]

dont forget jj has traveled from aussie to be here and is desperate to win. he is doing anything for attention and doesn't fancy josie but knows a romance with her will keep him in

[Brekkie]

dont forget jj has traveled from aussie to be here and is desperate to win. he is doing anything for attention and doesn't fancy josie but knows a romance with her will keep him in

It's the other way round - John James has stated from the early days he didn't wish to pursue a relationship in the house. Josie is using John James big time and thinks fat bird who pulls fit bloke will do her chances all sorts of good.


The truth about their feelings for each other can be summed up easily - who would move half way around the world to live with the other? I've absolutely no doubt John James would give up his life in Australia for Josie, and absolutely no doubt that Josie wouldn't ever consider leaving Bristol to be with him.

[ibook4113]

It's the other way round - John James has stated from the early days he didn't wish to pursue a relationship in the house. Josie is using John James big time and thinks fat bird who pulls fit bloke will do her chances all sorts of good.


The truth about their feelings for each other can be summed up easily - who would move half way around the world to live with the other? I've absolutely no doubt John James would give up his life in Australia for Josie, and absolutely no doubt that Josie wouldn't ever consider leaving Bristol to be with him.

John James would leave the big brother house in order to save her (in his opinion) and be faced with the fact that, while she says she would leave, she would stay in the house after he left. The incredible thing is he would probably still love her. If Josie left she would expect JJ to come with Her and if he didn't she would ditch him.

It is a very one sided relationship. Friendship and love on one side, Lust and fear of loneliness on the other. [The former being JJ, the later Josie]

[Gillian-73]

She is playing him and he is falling for it.

they're both 'trying' to play each other! John james has got in to deep! Only fair thing is to evict him on friday lol :joker:

[jet]

she was at her worst tonight - all he did was try and be honest with her, but everytime he tries to talk to her she cuts him off completely and gets all moody, and basically laughs in his face.

She was a complete selfish cow whilst he was in the camera runs - couldn't care less about how john james felt and was only worried how it affected her, and then on his return despite john james clearly having a lot he needs to talk about she just shuts him down completely, bans him from talking about his feelings and even stops him talking to bb about those feelings.

And then john james has to spend the rest of the day apologising for trying to be honest as josie just laughs it off.


There is only one person leading the other on in this relationship - and it's not john james.

bravo!!!

[mike888]

Josie is playing John James like puppet on a string, I don't know why so many people say they like her, she really is so evil and manipulative. It's a shame Steve didn't stick to his promise and put her up instead of Andrew, Davina could have been waiting for her with a live rabbit and a boiling pan of water!!!... :D

[rosebay11]

Josie is playing John James like puppet on a string, I don't know why so many people say they like her, she really is so evil and manipulative. It's a shame Steve didn't stick to his promise and put her up instead of Andrew, Davina could have been waiting for her with a live rabbit and a boiling pan of water!!!... :D

Well said, Mike!

I couldn't get over how cold and insensitive Josie was towards JohnJ when he was outside in the camera run. All she did was yell at him to stop making a show of her. She had no concern whatsoever for what he was feeling.

I saw a great similarity between that and her reaction to when Caoimhe was leaving. She did not even get up off her seat in the garden to join the other HM's in saying goodbye.

IMO, she is the most insensitive HM I've ever seen on BB.

[Angus]

He is frightened of hurting her, he has obviously been burned badly in the past and doesn't want to do it to her, she just doesn't want him to say the words "I'm not sexually attracted to you" for all of Britain to see and read

Well he's told the whole of Britain time and time again that he does NOT fancy her, that he is NOT attracted to her, and that he sees her as a sister. Perhaps where he comes from it's fine to sleep in the same bed as your adult sister, kiss and cuddle her and whisper sweet nothings in her ear? Josie is trying desperately to notch it all up to another level, and JJ1 is clearly repulsed by the idea. So why are people still buying all this sh*t? The whole crapmance went past its sell by date weeks ago.:sleep::bored:

[WOMBAI]

I agree with all your observations .. JJ does at certain times seem frightened of Josie .. remember back in the bedroom, in the first week or so, I think it was, Josie put JJ in his place and had him in tears .. he's not as tuned in emotionally as she is and he's paying the price for that ..

I think he feels safe under the duvet but Josie invades his space anytime he tries to be alone and gather his thoughts in bed .. he's no match for Josie .. she's one tough cookie and is manipulating the life out of him.

Keeping him trapped under that duvet with her - is her way of isolating him from the rest which gives her more control over him!

Reminds me of the Marcus/Noirin situation last year - the way he tried to isolate her from the rest and make her dependent on him! She was a different kettle of fish though, far too strong - JJ though is a prime candidate as he appears to be an emotional mess!

[ibook4113]

JJ had said he wasn't physically attracted to her but loved her, and had affection for her like a sister. I think that when JJ first mentioned Josie in relation to sister he meant that his relationship with her seems natural and not strained. However i also think it is worth realising JJ doesn't have any siblings so his ideas of sibling love are not all there. His emotions for her have been increasing over time.


Keeping him trapped under that duvet with her - is her way of isolating him from the rest which gives her more control over him!

Reminds me of the Marcus/Noirin situation last year - the way he tried to isolate her from the rest and make her dependent on him! She was a different kettle of fish though, far too strong - JJ though is a prime candidate as he appears to be an emotional mess!

i have thought the same myself.

[Julie10]

Johns behaviour in the kitchen when Josie tried to get a cuddle when he was sat on the table told me so much. He was uncomfortable with her trying to invade his space. He did try to cuddle her back and look like he had feelings for her but in the end his head flopped and his hands didn't want to respond to her and she knew it.

The look on her face was priceless. She was hurt, embarrassed and confused. You can tell she is so desperate to have a relationship with him to make herself look and feel good. Nothing wrong with that but when the person keeps giving you mixed messages when is it going to hit home.

[WOMBAI]

JJ had said he wasn't physically attracted to her but loved her, and had affection for her like a sister. I think that when JJ first mentioned Josie in relation to sister he meant that his relationship with her seems natural and not strained. However i also think it is worth realising JJ doesn't have any siblings so his ideas of sibling love are not all there. His emotions for her have been increasing over time.



i have thought the same myself.

Not in the romantic sense though - it is more of a friendship, mother figure, needy type thing! The fact that he did a runner yesterday and said to the bb staff that he didn't want to hurt her - is because he knows he can't give her what she wants (although personally I am having doubts about her 'feelings' for him, I think it is just a game plan) - he still is not sexually interested in her - that is so obvious!

[ibook4113]

there doesn't need to be sexual attraction for love. And i think there has been a romantic increase because he hasn't mentioned the sister thing again, so he must feel stronger about her. I think the truth of the matter is they both aren't telling each other the truth.

[WOMBAI]

there doesn't need to be sexual attraction for love. And i think there has been a romantic increase because he hasn't mentioned the sister thing again, so he must feel stronger about her. I think the truth of the matter is they both aren't telling each other the truth.

Yes there does - for people of their age! And if her bunny-boiler act is actually genuine - then she definitely wants that from him! A 'love' where one wants sex and the other doesn't is doomed to failure!

[ibook4113]

Yes there does - for people of their age! And if her bunny-boiler act is actually genuine - then she definitely wants that from him! A 'love' where one wants sex and the other doesn't is doomed to failure!

He has said before that he doesn't like sex, so he may be an exception. Sure, where there are different feelings between the two it is not likely to work, but then they are both as bad as each other. Josie is in Lust, John is in Love. Josie doesn't really care for the feelings of John James she just wants a plaything. It is a shame she has tricked him.

[Angus]

He has said before that he doesn't like sex, so he may be an exception. Sure, where there are different feelings between the two it is not likely to work, but then they are both as bad as each other. Josie is in Lust, John is in Love. Josie doesn't really care for the feelings of John James she just wants a plaything. It is a shame she has tricked him.

This is the most disingenuous post on the forum and illustrates perfectly how JJ supporters can excuse the vilest and most manipulative of behaviours. You say John has no siblings and therefore doesn't know how to react to a sister -but even the dimmest idiot knows you don't fondle and caress your sister in the way that he does when he "doesn't want to lead her on" (his words). In the next breath, you say he's in love with her! Seems you're trying to cover all bases.:rolleyes: Dozy Josie is also a manipulative scheming cow, but that doesn't excuse the vileness of JJ's behaviour.

[ibook4113]

This is the most disingenuous post on the forum and illustrates perfectly how JJ supporters can excuse the vilest and most manipulative of behaviours. You say John has no siblings and therefore doesn't know how to react to a sister -but even the dimmest idiot knows you don't fondle and caress your sister in the way that he does when he "doesn't want to lead her on" (his words). In the next breath, you say he's in love with her! Seems you're trying to cover all bases.:rolleyes: Dozy Josie is also a manipulative scheming cow, but that doesn't excuse the vileness of JJ's behaviour.

I believe the point i was making was that he used to refer to her as a sister because it was a natural relationship that they had. I am NOT implying that them fondling is brotherly or sisterly, i am saying that he fancies her more than he realised. Obviously he never should have said sister because people will forever use it against him now.

And a quick point. It seems the john James haters have forgot that time moves forward, people more forward, and JJ feels stronger for Josie than he felt at the beginning. Therefore you would expect to see an increase in the description of emotion for her.

[crocs]

Johns behaviour in the kitchen when Josie tried to get a cuddle when he was sat on the table told me so much. He was uncomfortable with her trying to invade his space. He did try to cuddle her back and look like he had feelings for her but in the end his head flopped and his hands didn't want to respond to her and she knew it.

The look on her face was priceless. She was hurt, embarrassed and confused. You can tell she is so desperate to have a relationship with him to make herself look and feel good. Nothing wrong with that but when the person keeps giving you mixed messages when is it going to hit home.

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same situation but if we are, John was caressing her buttock/thigh area. If he felt uncomfortable, he wouldn't have done that. He says one thing but acts according to another. I don't know what that is all about.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just watched the whole thing on HL show between JJ and Josie. Quite disturbing to watch. JJ actually seems quite fearful of Josie. He is pussyfooting about her because he just does not want to lose her friendship, and seems to like to have her to cling on too. He's quite emotionally un-balanced. She is aware of this and is dangling him like a puppet. He's obviously not as tuned in psycholigically, like Josie is!

Her true colours are showing and she is one manipulative woman, playing housemates against each other! Dangerous woman! John James should have kept on running out the fire exit!

that is an excellent and imho accurate survey of the whole situation

10/10

[WOMBAI]

JJ repeatedly says he doesn't want to hurt her - that says it all doesn't it - he doesn't feel the same way as her - and therefore doesn't want to hurt her!

[ibook4113]

JJ repeatedly says he doesn't want to hurt her - that says it all doesn't it - he doesn't feel the same way as her - and therefore doesn't want to hurt her!

he said that because she ran out of the bedroom in a strop. He is worried that he won't have her friendship.
Just because he says he doesn't want to hurt her doesn't mean he has no feelings for her.

[Shiner]

JJ repeatedly says he doesn't want to hurt her - that says it all doesn't it - he doesn't feel the same way as her - and therefore doesn't want to hurt her!

Yep. His "I don't want to hurt her" line is saying loud and clear that he doesn't want to take things further. Josie of course will keep on pushing for something more - I predict that she will make a move the next time they've had a drink.

[Brekkie]

Josie is playing John James like puppet on a string, I don't know why so many people say they like her, she really is so evil and manipulative. It's a shame Steve didn't stick to his promise and put her up instead of Andrew, Davina could have been waiting for her with a live rabbit and a boiling pan of water!!!... :D
LOL (and I really did!)

Well he's told the whole of Britain time and time again that he does NOT fancy her, that he is NOT attracted to her, and that he sees her as a sister. Perhaps where he comes from it's fine to sleep in the same bed as your adult sister, kiss and cuddle her and whisper sweet nothings in her ear?
Josie wants a plaything though - he basically can't win either way. Their behaviour too is generally more flirty than intimate and everytime John James tries to put the breaks on it, this happens.

[JEJ]

Well said, Mike!

I couldn't get over how cold and insensitive Josie was towards JohnJ when he was outside in the camera run. All she did was yell at him to stop making a show of her. She had no concern whatsoever for what he was feeling.

I saw a great similarity between that and her reaction to when Caoimhe was leaving. She did not even get up off her seat in the garden to join the other HM's in saying goodbye.

IMO, she is the most insensitive HM I've ever seen on BB.

Absolutely. As the others tried to stop him leaving she walked in the opposite direction!

[JEJ]

(although personally I am having doubts about her 'feelings' for him, I think it is just a game plan)

Me too!

[maudster191]

yeah but then in live feed its like a completely different story...you're watching a heavily edited version.

[Fowley]

John James is the one playing josie his infamous line " i dont want to hurt you " is aload of crap. if its true then why last night on LF was he all over josie in bed ? hmm either he likes her or because he's up for eviction he's using it as a tool to try and stay in. john james isn't as innocent as everyone makes out.

[maudster191]

Come on he stated before he went in that he would step on ANYONE to win big brother, he flirted for weeks and because she now likes him that makes her bad? He said he didnt fancy her, then strokes her hair, face, bum, etc, then encourages her to tell him how she feels, then he does a runner, comes back and kisses her. She said she wasn't angry and that he could switch beds, he refused! I think it's him playing games. He has said she is insecure over her weight etc, so he knows showering attention will have her clinging on, so why do it?

[maudster191]

besides even jj2 has told him not to discuss feelings until they are out and yet he is the one always bringing it up... on the bb website there is a video of them in bed where she says it wouldn't work, he tells her it will and she replies that he's the one who won't leave it alone.... stop relying on edited highlights =]

[WOMBAI]

Come on he stated before he went in that he would step on ANYONE to win big brother, he flirted for weeks and because she now likes him that makes her bad? He said he didnt fancy her, then strokes her hair, face, bum, etc, then encourages her to tell him how she feels, then he does a runner, comes back and kisses her. She said she wasn't angry and that he could switch beds, he refused! I think it's him playing games. He has said she is insecure over her weight etc, so he knows showering attention will have her clinging on, so why do it?

They are both playing games - both as bad as each other! :sleep:

[Brekkie]

Two examples in the last 24-hours of Josie trying to keep John James away from the rest of the HMs, firstly last night in the bathroom whilst the others were doing their Jerry Springer routine yet again. John James ultimately escaped whilst Josie remained sulking in the bathroom.

And today trying to prevent him leaving the bed as ther others set up a game of Rounders outside.


If she wants her BB experience to consist of lying in bed all day fair enough - but John James clearly wants to spend as much time apart from Josie as he possibly can!

[WOMBAI]

Makes you wonder if she spends her time at home lying in bed all day!

[HBB1508]

Makes you wonder if she spends her time at home lying in bed all day!

Probably that's why she became so attached to that dressing gown - it's her normal day wear.

[DavinamcCaw]

Makes you wonder if she spends her time at home lying in bed all day!

Probably does, she doesn't look the sort to go running or exercise does she.