Dave's Sloshfest's

[BJ]

cost £30 onLF to Mario

[flamingGalah!]

He's a con man, simple as... :nono:

[Shasown]

cost £30 onLF to Mario

No discount for mates then, or does that include an excess for the Save and Replace task.

[BlackOrWhite]

And...?

[flamingGalah!]

And...?

They don't even get any booze! :joker:

[fingers]

They don't even get any booze! :joker:

If they wanna get high they get to sniff St. Dave's Bible.

[bigbrothermfer]

im going

[Shasown]

If they wanna get high they get to sniff St. Dave's Bible.

Nah he doesnt let anyone else handle that. He does let people sniff his monk's costume though.

Its a filthy habit.

[BJ]

So you have to pay to worship with Dave's crew

[flamingGalah!]

So you have to pay to worship with Dave's crew

Oh yes. He charges a similar amount to cure cancer too apparently...

[fingers]

Oh yes. He charges a similar amount to cure cancer too apparently...

Wonder what it costs to regrow a leg, or do you get a discount if you need two?

[flamingGalah!]

Wonder what it costs to regrow a leg, or do you get a discount if you need two?

£30 per leg or £50 per pair by all accounts...

[ElProximo]

cost £30 onLF to Mario

That would just barely cover the costs of venue rental, equipment rentals and throw in transportation and refreshments etc.

If there was any left over to pay David's salary he would most likely look at the time he invested and find out he made far less than minimum wage 'per hour' spent on it.

The problem isn't 30 quid.
The problem is inducing youth into trance-states, psychosomatic aberrations and learning that 'being high/drunk' is some kind of ideal state of mind for a Christian.

[fivecougz]

That would just barely cover the costs of venue rental, equipment rentals and throw in transportation and refreshments etc.

If there was any left over to pay David's salary he would most likely look at the time he invested and find out he made far less than minimum wage 'per hour' spent on it.

The problem isn't 30 quid.
The problem is inducing youth into trance-states, psychosomatic aberrations and learning that 'being high/drunk' is some kind of ideal state of mind for a Christian.

There were about 700 people at his last event.
700 x $30 = $21,000, a ****load more than enough to cover venue hire and lighting.

Everyone puts bread on the table by various means - most of us have a job. Dave just chooses to rip off the gullible, that's all.

[Late for the Party]

im going

You should come too mine its 5quid cheaper

[ElProximo]

There were about 700 people at his last event.
700 x $30 = $21,000, a ****load more than enough to cover venue hire and lighting.

(beside the point but I could just about promise you 700 did not pay 30 but lets say they did...)

I don't know but why are you so certain that is an ****load more than enough to cover venue, lighting etc?

The next thing is to find out what's left after expenses and see how that is worked out.
For example:
Lets say they are left with 15 after expenses. This goes into the Ministry (it does go to Davids pocket).
That gets divided out into all kinds of expenses even to a bookkeeper other staff, whatever business expenses they have,
they do things like buy new printers for the ministry, pay for posters.

Keep in mind they have to use this to start promoting, planning their next event.

After that a certain % goes to paying their Pastor (David) who (for the sake of argument) may get paid 1,600 a month.
He gets his monthly salary of 1,600 and they may be quite happy they have enough to pay him for the next 6 months.

This is just a typical example of these things. One thing I am certain about is that it DOES NOT work that David is like a Club Owner/Promoter who simply gets 'the profits'.
Doesn't work like that at all.

Keep in mind, if a Club Promoter did this nobody would call the Promoter a 'Con Man'.
They would say 'Yeah.. guy put on a concert and made x-amount'.

But in Davids case it would not work that way. If we found out it did - he would surely be in the Diary Room talking to some tax people right now heh.

Everyone puts bread on the table by various means - most of us have a job. Dave just chooses to rip off the gullible, that's all.

They are not gullible. They love attending these things, believe in it with as much passion as David and are happy to chip in their 30,
and,
for them the 30 is WELL WORTH the event. They are delighted they paid ONLY 30 for a concert they loved.

Put it this way:
What was the last concert you attended?
Did you get 'ripped off'?
Are you 'gullible'?
Was the band/singer a con-man?

[flamingGalah!]

there were about 700 people at his last event.
700 x $30 = $21,000, a ****load more than enough to cover venue hire and lighting.

Everyone puts bread on the table by various means - most of us have a job. Dave just chooses to rip off the gullible, that's all.

^^^^
this

:D

[Late for the Party]

(beside the point but I could just about promise you 700 did not pay 30 but lets say they did...)

I don't know but why are you so certain that is an ****load more than enough to cover venue, lighting etc?

The next thing is to find out what's left after expenses and see how that is worked out.
For example:
Lets say they are left with 15 after expenses. This goes into the Ministry (it does go to Davids pocket).
That gets divided out into all kinds of expenses even to a bookkeeper other staff, whatever business expenses they have,
they do things like buy new printers for the ministry, pay for posters.

Keep in mind they have to use this to start promoting, planning their next event.

After that a certain % goes to paying their Pastor (David) who (for the sake of argument) may get paid 1,600 a month.
He gets his monthly salary of 1,600 and they may be quite happy they have enough to pay him for the next 6 months.

This is just a typical example of these things. One thing I am certain about is that it DOES NOT work that David is like a Club Owner/Promoter who simply gets 'the profits'.
Doesn't work like that at all.

Keep in mind, if a Club Promoter did this nobody would call the Promoter a 'Con Man'.
They would say 'Yeah.. guy put on a concert and made x-amount'.

But in Davids case it would not work that way. If we found out it did - he would surely be in the Diary Room talking to some tax people right now heh.



They are not gullible. They love attending these things, believe in it with as much passion as David and are happy to chip in their 30,
and,
for them the 30 is WELL WORTH the event. They are delighted they paid ONLY 30 for a concert they loved.

Put it this way:
What was the last concert you attended?
Did you get 'ripped off'?
Are you 'gullible'?
Was the band/singer a con-man?
Will you come to my sloshfest and say all that

[fivecougz]

ElProximo, you're a Dave fan (tho from the way you're defending him and explaining his gigs maybe I should i say disciple?) - there is nothing I can say that would change your mind.

But just look at his videos on youtube ... even ones where he's being pushed around in a wheelchair ... I rest my case.

And to answer your question - no, the singer at the last concert I went to was not a con-man, nor did I ever mention the word con-man ... but I'm glad you can see that that's what Dave is - he weighs glory in dollars.

[flamingGalah!]

Last concert I went to the band were not claiming to be able to cure cancer or grow amputees new limbs... nor were they acting like mentally disturbed buffoons pretending they were drunk either... though I did see Oasis once...

[fizzy]

what a con. But could it be to cover costs, and still not be for profit?

[flamingGalah!]

what a con. But could it be to cover costs, and still not be for profit?

I doubt a village hall & DJ would cost that much, plus bottles of Tesco Value lemonade (no alcohol allowed apparently)... probably costs no more than £1000 at the most for one of these "parties"... He'd make a pretty penny no doubt... enough anyway to support his wife & 4 kids & fund frequent trips around the world...

[mikopale]

Many born-again Christians don't beleive in sloshfests. A lot of born again Christians believe you can get drunk on the Lord, but it doesn't happen that often, and it usually happens in time of Worship, and the person isn't usually in control. I don't know how Dave gets drunk all the time. Sloshfests is more of a cult that has been derived from born-again Christianity, they go there to get drunk off the Lord, whereas most born-again Christians hardly get drunk and it is out of there control and can happen naturally during Worship.

[flamingGalah!]

Many born-again Christians don't beleive in sloshfests. A lot of born again Christians believe you can get drunk on the Lord, but it doesn't happen that often, and it usually happens in time of Worship, and the person isn't usually in control. I don't know how Dave gets drunk all the time. Sloshfests is more of a cult that has been derived from born-again Christianity, they go there to get drunk off the Lord, whereas most born-again Christians hardly get drunk and it is out of there control and can happen naturally during Worship.

Indeed. Dave is equally offensive to both Christians & non believers alike...

[Shasown]

Heres a daft question then, how come there is no one come out of the woodwork and criticised him, saying he charged them for a sloshfest and it was crap, or he charged me saying he would pray and cure my mums cancer and she has since died?

Or some outraged parent claiming their child has joined his cult and wont speak to them etc.?

Lets face it he has had enough accusations against him on this and other forums in the last 8 weeks, and still no one has come forward to condemn him girst hand.

[ElProximo]

what a con. But could it be to cover costs, and still not be for profit?

It could be but then they are in serious trouble working as a 'non-profit org' and would be in serious trouble with a lot of tax people!

I have worked in non-profit orgs like this and helped put on concert/ministry type events.
This is the general rules how it works:

- The more people the more work is required. If there is 1,000 people arriving to it paying 30 a piece that is '1000 times the work, people, expenses'

Keep in mind these things often take months to plan and develop and organize.
In our case there may be five people who have put in 40 hours of work into the concert BEFORE it happens.
- We have already spent 3000 on everything from radio promotion, posters, writers and on and on. The building we are writing, planning, producing in costs money. the lights cost money. rent costs money.
This is BEFORE the concert event.

There are lots of things to be dumping money on even BEFORE anyone arrived. Venues, equipment, lighting, whatever,
and,
so there is the overall 'administration' costs but then the actual costs of actual event itself,
but,
wow you always get killed on all the incidentals including everything from last-minute hotel expenses, taxis, finding out there needs to be a 'first-aid' kit on premises (just crazy stupid things),
but,
keep in mind after all this is said and done there is no persons that 'take the profits'.
There is not such thing where we 'split the earnings'.
Of course not.
The money goes into the ministry where the elected board has voted on paying the bookkeeper x, paying the IT people x, paying the manager x,
then,
the Pastor is paid x-per month.
now what?
Well you see it will be another 3 months before we have another event. So staff is paid.
Some are paid monthly. From what?

ElProximo, you're a Dave fan (tho from the way you're defending him and explaining his gigs maybe I should i say disciple?) - there is nothing I can say that would change your mind.

No, I am an opponent of his cult group and think their Sloshfests not only do harm to those involved (including David),
but,
are shameful to Christianity and hurt the Church.

At the exact same time I am not a moron who thinks this means I should just accuse him of crimes for no reason.
In fact, falsely accusing him of crimes is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to opposing what is ACTUALLY WRONG.

In fact, this 'con-man' campaign is likely to backfire on you people AND actually 'help' David,
why?
how??
Because you made this 'money con' your cause. You picked the wrong fight.
After this David may very well show everyone that he and his family have SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY far more than he ever made from the Ministry,
and,
in fact he will show he probably gets paid something close to 'minimum wage' if you actually calculate the hours he works to his meager pay.
This will make him look great.
Make you look stupid.
It will seem that the detractors got 'pwned' and look silly and David and the Crowderites look like 'Winners'.

Meanwhile, nobody has spoken to the ACTUAL problem of their self-delusions, infatuation with being high and drunk, shaming the Church or falling into dangerous cult practices etc etc.

Your helping that happen by picking the wrong fight.

[stonedape]

Last concert I went to the band were not claiming to be able to cure cancer or grow amputees new limbs... nor were they acting like mentally disturbed buffoons pretending they were drunk either... though I did see Oasis once...

win. :joker:

[Shasown]

No, I am an opponent of his cult group and think their Sloshfests not only do harm to those involved (including David),
but,
are shameful to Christianity and hurt the Church.

At the exact same time I am not a moron who thinks this means I should just accuse him of crimes for no reason.
In fact, falsely accusing him of crimes is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to opposing what is ACTUALLY WRONG.

In fact, this 'con-man' campaign is likely to backfire on you people AND actually 'help' David,
why?
how??
Because you made this 'money con' your cause. You picked the wrong fight.
After this David may very well show everyone that he and his family have SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY far more than he ever made from the Ministry,
and,
in fact he will show he probably gets paid something close to 'minimum wage' if you actually calculate the hours he works to his meager pay.
This will make him look great.
Make you look stupid.
It will seem that the detractors got 'pwned' and look silly and David and the Crowderites look like 'Winners'.

Meanwhile, nobody has spoken to the ACTUAL problem of their self-delusions, infatuation with being high and drunk, shaming the Church or falling into dangerous cult practices etc etc.

Your helping that happen by picking the wrong fight.

Wise words, but I think they will fall on deaf ears.

[mikopale]

Indeed. Dave is equally offensive to both Christians & non believers alike...

Even though I don't agree with sloshfests, I don't think Dave is offending Christians, becauses he truly believes it. He is still a Christian, who believes the same as many born-again Christians, but it's just these sloshfests that he's misunderstood. A lot of cults are derived from established faiths, beliefs, religion's etc, and sloshfests are more of a cult, even though all the other beliefs are not if that makes sense. I don't think he's a con man. I reckon he truly believes that sloshfests are alright.

[flamingGalah!]

I fail to see how opening peoples eyes to how he is conning cancer victims etc...& showing him for the moron he is can HELP him... Surely if everyone says how wonderful he is & what a great job his "church" is doing he is going to gain followers... :conf:

But yeah, whatever...

[flamingGalah!]

Even though I don't agree with sloshfests, I don't think Dave is offending Christians, becauses he truly believes it. He is still a Christian, who believes the same as many born-again Christians, but it's just these sloshfests that he's misunderstood. A lot of cults are derived from established faiths, beliefs, religion's etc, and sloshfests are more of a cult, even though all the other beliefs are not if that makes sense. I don't think he's a con man. I reckon he truly believes that sloshfests are alright.

Well he offends ElProximo, who claims to be a Christian...

I find his comments that he can cure cancer & grow people new limbs more offensive than his actual antics on being "drunk"... that I just find sad.

[stonedape]

The real shame is trying to make money with a metaphoric Christian flag draped around you, promising miracles you knowingly or unknowingly cannot back up, when the most repeated theme in the new testament is give up your possessions and be like Jesus (poor as hell). Unfortunately, making money off God and promising miracles you can't back up is not as rare as ElProximo wants it to be, and is actually more of the standard. Besides the semantics of "drunk" and "high" and the awful aesthetic/musical choices, I see little difference. I would definitely not call Dave's group a cult, unless you're being so broad that "not normal" = cult. It's an alternative brand of your standard, run-of-the-mill Christianity with monthly tithes instead of weekly.

I have no problem with Dave's Sloshfests. At least they seem to be having fun, which is more than I can say for your average theist giving their hard earned money to others on behalf of invisible forces.

[Shasown]

The real shame is trying to make money with a metaphoric Christian flag draped around you, promising miracles you knowingly or unknowingly cannot back up, when the most repeated theme in the new testament is give up your possessions and be like Jesus (poor as hell). Unfortunately, making money off God and promising miracles you can't back up is not as rare as ElProximo wants it to be, and is actually more of the standard. Besides the semantics of "drunk" and "high" and the awful aesthetic/musical choices, I see little difference. I would definitely not call Dave's group a cult, unless you're being so broad that "not normal" = cult. It's an alternative brand of your standard, run-of-the-mill Christianity with monthly tithes instead of weekly.


I take it the "God Squad" are quite low on your must donate to list then?

[stonedape]

I take it the "God Squad" are quite low on your must donate to list then?

Unimaginably low :joker:

[housemate]

Heres a daft question then, how come there is no one come out of the woodwork and criticised him, saying he charged them for a sloshfest and it was crap, or he charged me saying he would pray and cure my mums cancer and she has since died?

Or some outraged parent claiming their child has joined his cult and wont speak to them etc.?

Lets face it he has had enough accusations against him on this and other forums in the last 8 weeks, and still no one has come forward to condemn him girst hand.

Is it something anybody would readily admit to? Also, don't forget, Daves 'Movement' is in its infancy....
Look at Dave claim to be able to regrow limbs .. he mumbo-jumboed over Steves legs and yet how many people took it seriously enough to protest about the subsequent failure? ... Yo'd look like a fool because ofcorse its not going to happen! Great, no cures AND you get to feel stupid or (believers) think they weren't worthy of Gods help.. I'm willing to bet Dave doesn't offer refunds though ! Doesn't stop him continuing to make the same claims though ... because afterall, he's ' harmless ' really!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you go to any church in the UK you will see some people sing, raising their hands in the air and closing their eyes

if you go to a Pentecostal church you will see much more. if you go to a charismatic church you will hear people blurting rubbish pretending to speak in tongues.

It is all degrees of bollocks but then what do you see at a football match or an Elton John concert for example?

[fingers]

How many people on "minimum wage " can fly to America several times a year plus make trips to the Middle East and Indonesia and all the other junkets he boasts about?

[stoney]

How many people on "minimum wage " can fly to America several times a year plus make trips to the Middle East and Indonesia and all the other junkets he boasts about?

its all part of his "work" tho fingers:spin:

[WOMBAI]

Oh yes. He charges a similar amount to cure cancer too apparently...

Libellous crap! :sleep:

[ElProximo]

How many people on "minimum wage " can fly to America several times a year plus make trips to the Middle East and Indonesia and all the other junkets he boasts about?

People in Ministries do. In fact, most of them do it for NO WAGE at all. The Ministry is the one paying for the tickets.

All over the world is almost uncountable numbers of Christian orgs, aid to Africa, relief missions, work projects building schools, hospitals, water pumps, emergency medicine, vaccines, flood cleanups.
The list is endless.
In almost every example most are NO WAGE earners.

This isn't complicated. People like me and the people in my Church are asked to donate to some project in war-torn Africa.
We agree.
We want to see those people helped.
I had $80 that I earned from my job. It was more but the government took about 30% of it.
So i was left with 80.
I gave that to the African non-profit ministry people.
So did 100 others in my Church.
The 'African Mission' collected 8,000
They PAY 2 people a minimum wage as actual full-time administrators and workers.
They have 2 people who are volunteers.
Of that 8000 we gave them... 4,000 went to their plane tickets and expenses.
4000 is not 'split between them' like its 'profit'. Instead it goes into the ministries account where 1000 will be paid to 'employees 1 and 2' for their monthly salary.
Next month again.

This is NOT COMPLICATED nor is it 'suspicious' nor is it confusing nor is this some kind of 'scheme'.
Its very basic.

Now then.. is it possible there is a Ministry where (for example) a board of Directors is hiring all their friends into 'party jobs' and then paying them to take what amounts to 'vacations'.
Paying them huge salaries too?
Yes.
This is CONSTANTLY true in nearly every field from Bankers, Insurance companies, Atheist Orgs, University 'Tenures',
and,
anywhere you can have people making what is (in our estimation) quite an easy life with easy money,
but,
now you are just talking irresponsibility, stupid companies, stupid non-profits, stupid social welfare and bad political parties using the system for gain.
Here is what (hopefully most times) corrects that:
- People won't vote that Party's politicians in next time.
- People won't invest in that Finance Company or demand the government withhold bailout money.
- People will realize the Ministry they are donating too is not using their money for the most good and STOP donating to them.

btw.. you do understand that David is not getting the plane ticket money right?
The airlines get that money.
Not David.

[fingers]

Who cares who pays for his tickets (apart from him that is) He invented his "Ministry" as a cash cow and is making full use of it. Good luck to him for getting the suckers to fund his "lifestyle""

[housemate]

Libellous crap! :sleep:

Not so, all claims mentioned have been broadcast via BB/ You Tube, infact these claims re: re-growth of Limbs, curing Cancer etc .. ARE' Libellous crap', they slander the Church and Faith and God he professes to Love.

[WOMBAI]

Not so, all claims mentioned have been broadcast via BB/ You Tube, infact these claims re: re-growth of Limbs, curing Cancer etc .. ARE' Libellous crap', they slander the Church and Faith and God he professes to Love.

Where does he actually say that he charges for it? That is what the poster said! If he hasn't said that anywhere, which I don't believe he has - then it is libellous!

[housemate]

LOL .. don't tell me you missed something!

[fizzy]

How many people on "minimum wage " can fly to America several times a year plus make trips to the Middle East and Indonesia and all the other junkets he boasts about?

that's true

[ElProximo]

Where does he actually say that he charges for it? That is what the poster said! If he hasn't said that anywhere, which I don't believe he has - then it is libellous!


I have no idea why that keeps being repeated but Fingers seems to be the one who started this rumour.
To my knowledge never has any of the Crowderites including Dave EVER suggested anyone pays for healing.
I never heard David say any such thing on LF.

IF David really DID say any such thing then I totally agree that is as wrong as it gets,
but,
I don't know that this was ever claimed by David.

If someone heard this on LF or in a HL program please feel free to share the link or explain what they heard?

No, I think they believe people can be healed of cancer and whatnot.. but no money transactions have anything to do with it.

Unless someone knows different??

[WOMBAI]

LOL .. don't tell me you missed something!

Don't tell me you watch 24/7 - personally I have better things to do! :hugesmile:

[fingers]

I have no idea why that keeps being repeated but Fingers seems to be the one who started this rumour.
To my knowledge never has any of the Crowderites including Dave EVER suggested anyone pays for healing.
I never heard David say any such thing on LF.

IF David really DID say any such thing then I totally agree that is as wrong as it gets,
but,
I don't know that this was ever claimed by David.

If someone heard this on LF or in a HL program please feel free to share the link or explain what they heard?

No, I think they believe people can be healed of cancer and whatnot.. but no money transactions have anything to do with it.

Unless someone knows different??

Fingers DID NOT say any such thing, and if you can find a post where I did I will be very surprised.

I Post HIS videos from his YouTube Postings!
An apology will be appreciated.

[WOMBAI]

Fingers DID NOT say any such thing, and if you can find a post where I did I will be very surprised.

I Post HIS videos from his YouTube Postings!
An apology will be appreciated.

Maybe Housemate would like to enlighten us then as to where this information comes from - as he seems to be so in the know!

[WOMBAI]

How many people on "minimum wage " can fly to America several times a year plus make trips to the Middle East and Indonesia and all the other junkets he boasts about?

That is funded by the church - not out of his pocket! Like anything - the expenses for events are met by the organisation - in this case the church!

[ElProximo]

Fingers DID NOT say any such thing, and if you can find a post where I did I will be very surprised.

I don't feel like going through all your posts but it seems to me you have insisted he has a 'pay for healing' scheme.


I Post HIS videos from his YouTube Postings!
An apology will be appreciated.

You repost videos I gave you (links for) and told you where HIS channel was.
A 'Thank You' will be appreciated.

[fingers]

I don't feel like going through all your posts but it seems to me you have insisted he has a 'pay for healing' scheme.



You repost videos I gave you (links for) and told you where HIS channel was.
A 'Thank You' will be appreciated.

Quite frankly, Both of those comments are LIES!

When you can post lies about insignificant posts, who is to say that your other posts have any veracity?

[WOMBAI]

Quite frankly, Both of those comments are LIES!

I also seem to remember you throwing such accusations around about Dave charging for healing and have made comments on them in the past! It isn't him that is lying!

[fingers]

A sobering picture of the sycophants' delight!

SR8Ua0Wvi38

:wavey::joker:

[watchinittoomuch]

Well I'm still up for a sloshfest :shrug:

[fingers]

Well I'm still up for a sloshfest :shrug:

Have Fun!

JsyVGdnEcic

[BJ]

Where does he actually say that he charges for it? That is what the poster said! If he hasn't said that anywhere, which I don't believe he has - then it is libellous!

He said to Mario he was going to let him come as a guesr but as he'd put him up he'd have to pay his £30 or he might even charge him double. It was said tongue in cheek, actually having a dig at Mario but he did say £30 - believe me

[watchinittoomuch]

Oh that's good, I know the words to that song already *badda bam bam...bam ...bam*

Sorted.

[WOMBAI]

He said to Mario he was going to let him come as a guesr but as he'd put him up he'd have to pay his £30 or he might even charge him double. It was said tongue in cheek, actually having a dig at Mario but he did say £30 - believe me

Not for healing, but for attending the sloshfest - hardly the same thing!

[BJ]

Not for healing, but for attending the sloshfest - hardly the same thing!

I didn't mention the healing. My thread was about the sloshfest

[ElProximo]

I also seem to remember you throwing such accusations around about Dave charging for healing and have make comments on them in the past! It isn't him that is lying!

At this point I won't even bother searching since Fingers has undoubtedly gone on a little editing spree,
but,
while I don't sit around logging comments - I am just about 99% certain fingers has - at the very least - implied David charges or exchanges money for healing.

I suppose Fingers can get into a lawyer-language definition game over wording and definition but I do recall seeing at least three different posts implying such a thing.

Fingers.. are we thinking of someone else or what??

[WOMBAI]

I didn't mention the healing. My thread was about the sloshfest

My comments were directed at flamingGalah - who did! He blatantly accused Dave of charging people for curing cancer, etc - which is libellous - as absolutely no evidence of that!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have Fun!

JsyVGdnEcic

That reminds me of Ko Phangan with Danny rampling in the 90s

I wasnt drunk on the Lord so much as off my face on pharmaceutical speed


same thing except Rampling played better music

[ElProximo]

My comments were directed at flamingGalah - who did! He blatantly accused Dave of charging people for curing cancer, etc - which is libellous - as absolutely no evidence of that!

Oh yes, well he has been saying that for some time now but I thought fingers started that rumour.
It's hard to tell which of them apart as both have a fundamentalist zeal for 'exposing cons'.

[WOMBAI]

Oh yes, well he has been saying that for some time now but I thought fingers started that rumour.
It's hard to tell which of them apart as both have a fundamentalist zeal for 'exposing cons'.

I know what you mean - and wherever you find one, you invariably find the other! :hugesmile:

[Beastie]

I wanna go to one of his slothfests!!!!

What's in with the ticket?? Just a disco?? or is there food and booze as well?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wanna go to one of his slothfests!!!!

What's in with the ticket?? Just a disco?? or is there food and booze as well?

1 cup of delusion on entry only

[Beastie]

1 cup of delusion on entry only

Count me in! :)

[fingers]

At this point I won't even bother searching since Fingers has undoubtedly gone on a little editing spree,
but,
while I don't sit around logging comments - I am just about 99% certain fingers has - at the very least - implied David charges or exchanges money for healing.

I suppose Fingers can get into a lawyer-language definition game over wording and definition but I do recall seeing at least three different posts implying such a thing.

Fingers.. are we thinking of someone else or what??

Quite simply not true.

[flamingGalah!]

My comments were directed at flamingGalah - who did! He blatantly accused Dave of charging people for curing cancer, etc - which is libellous - as absolutely no evidence of that!

Oh yes, well he has been saying that for some time now but I thought fingers started that rumour.
It's hard to tell which of them apart as both have a fundamentalist zeal for 'exposing cons'.

Dave can sue me if he likes :xyxwave:

He said it himself on LIVEFEED, others heard him say it too, just because you didn't hear it does not make it a lie...

He said he charges for healing... :xyxwave:

Wombai are you Dave's Mum?? :conf:

And Elproximo, yes I do like to expose con men, especially those who take advantage of sick & vulnerable people, nothing at all wrong with that...

[flamingGalah!]

Libellous crap! :sleep:

Is it?? How would you know? Unless you "work" with Dave of course...

Bring on the lawyers... :xyxwave:

[flamingGalah!]

Where does he actually say that he charges for it? That is what the poster said! If he hasn't said that anywhere, which I don't believe he has - then it is libellous!

He said it a few weeks back on Live feed, as you have stated yourself that you do not spend a lot of the day watching Live feed you will probably not have seen it & it didn't make the highlights show... HE DID say it so not at all libellous... :xyxwave:

[WOMBAI]

Dave can sue me if he likes :xyxwave:

He said it himself on LIVEFEED, others heard him say it too, just because you didn't hear it does not make it a lie...

He said he charges for healing... :xyxwave:

Wombai are you Dave's Mum?? :conf:

And Elproximo, yes I do like to expose con men, especially those who take advantage of sick & vulnerable people, nothing at all wrong with that...

No - not his mum, cheeky sod! Never even been to Wales!

And no I do not support his religion, or any other come to that! But I do support his right to practice it, his way, as long as he is doing nothing illegal or hurting anyone - which, from what I have seen so far, he doesn't appear to be doing!

You say you have heard him say it - noone else seems to have - maybe you can provide the evidence of that - it must be somewhere, if it exists! Otherwise - don't expect others to simply take your word for it!

[Chels]

So what i'm still going ;D

[flamingGalah!]

No - not his mum, cheeky sod! Never even been to Wales!

And no I do not support his religion, or any other come to that! But I do support his right to practice it, his way, as long as he is doing nothing illegal or hurting anyone - which, from what I have seen so far, he doesn't appear to be doing!

You say you have heard him say it - noone else seems to have - maybe you can provide the evidence of that - it must be somewhere, if it exists! Otherwise - don't expect others to simply take your word for it!

Well you seem fit to defend his appalling behaviour to the death... :joker:

Yes I did hear him say it & others at the time on here heard it too... What evidence do you want?!? It wasn't on the highlights show as I have said... I couldn't give give two hoots if you believe me or not, quite frankly even if I had conclusive video evidence you would say it was taken out of context, that he was joking etc... anyway as you defend EVERYTHING he does... :sleep:

Dave is a vile con man & I hope he rots in hell...