Conspiracy Theory

[lily.]

Is it just me who finds it odd that a mod closed the other thread after I questioned the integrity of the mods on here.....?

[lily.]

Or is it just me who says it out loud?

[Vicky.]

Question all you like.

But the rumour being discussed was around since mm&i changed her name. And its not really a good idea to start it all up again. As its only just gone away really.

[MrGaryy]

Not just 'a mod' to be fair. A certain mod.

[ILoveTRW]

I got 3 infraction points today for saying that mario secert could be that he has aids
****ing ridiculous

[lily.]

There's a big jump from 'a rumour' to 'someone found your facebook'.

[Jack_]

Yep, I got the same feeling...odd, to say the least.

[lily.]

I got 3 infraction points today for saying that mario secert could be that he has aids
****ing ridiculous


I fail to see how that broke the site rules.

[MrGaryy]

I got banned for saying 'up yours'. like what the actual ****?

[Patrick]

I got 3 infraction points today for saying that mario secert could be that he has aids
****ing ridiculous

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker: :joker: I'm literally laughing so hard at that lmao

The fact you were probably being serious and fair dos but how the hell is that infraction worthy.
PMSL

[Jack_]

I got 3 infraction points today for saying that mario secert could be that he has aids
****ing ridiculous

:joker: :joker: :joker:

Laughing at the original post, not the fact you got 3 infraction points for it. Although that is pretty laughable.

[Vicky.]

There's a big jump from 'a rumour' to 'someone found your facebook'.

Yes, I realise that.

What I meant was I thought it was best closed as to not start that s*** up again.

But you lot just go on.

[lily.]

I asked Joe where he got his info from. He's vague about it.

It seems weird that mm&i would give out the email address associated with his/her facebook if he/she was pretending to be someone else. If he/she had used it to register on here though, the staff would have it, and could use it to find out more. That's to be expected.

What isn't to be expected is for the staff to then discuss it with the members and for the members to make little jibes in the threads.

[MrGaryy]

Let's not beat around the push here - quite blatantly Vicky or Niamh told their posse about it, totally abusing their privileges as mods. I'm not accusing either of you before you ban me, cos i don't know which of you it was, but it's obvious to anyone what happened.

[InOne]

As I said, I wasn't told by a mod. So that bit is nothing to do with me.

[setanta]

I asked Joe where he got his info from. He's vague about it.

It seems weird that mm&i would give out the email address associated with his/her facebook if he/she was pretending to be someone else. If he/she had used it to register on here though, the staff would have it, and could use it to find out more. That's to be expected.

What isn't to be expected is for the staff to then discuss it with the members and for the members to make little jibes in the threads.

Completely agree with that.

[Jack_]

What isn't to be expected is for the staff to then discuss it with the members and for the members to make little jibes in the threads.

Aye but don't say that or else they won't do it in the future, and then chances are we'll never find out anyway.

[lily.]

I'm not sure who's in what posse, but clearly someone has leaked info.

I've been friends with Rory and Greg for a long time and I don't recall them ever discussing TiBB issues with me on MSN or anywhere else.

Looks like not all mods have that standard though.

[lily.]

Aye but don't say that or else they won't do it in the future, and then chances are we'll never find out anyway.

Jack, you say that now, because it's about some juicy forum gossip, but if they were to use the info you registered with to pry into your personal life, then share it with others, you wouldn't be so keen, would you?

[Vicky.]

Well I could argue my point, but it looks like your minds are already made up.

Get on with it.

For the record, I dont speak about mod issues over msn either

Not that people who dislike me will believe that ;)

[Locke.]

Go through the chat log and find out who it was :)

[lily.]

It's not really about like or dislike to be honest.

It's clear to a man with a glass eye that everything is not quite as it seems here.



David, he won't do that. If it was a mod, you can be sure it'll not come out now.

[Jack_]

Jack, you say that now, because it's about some juicy forum gossip, but if they were to use the info you registered with to pry into your personal life, then share it with others, you wouldn't be so keen, would you?

Fair point, but:

A) I wouldn't pretend to be a little 13 year old girl, or someone I'm not on this or any other forum
B) If you do do that, then you are misleading people and seeking attention...basically trolling

[lily.]

I agree that he/she shouldn't be faking their identity altogether... but you have to look at the bigger picture...

Mods can see your registration details and should not be abusing that.. regardless of what the member is doing... two wrongs do not make a right.

When you register on a site, you expect some kind of privacy for your details. I don't know what TiBB's policy is, but I know mods never used to discuss site business with friends. I was friends with Mike, Red Moon and Sunny01 back in the day and they never discussed anything.

[setanta]

Innocent until proven guilty though Jack, that's always the way it should be, don't you think? I don't want to hear idle speculation and gossip on the forum. There are various avenues to take if you have a problem with a certain member, and I think discretion is very important, for everybody involved and for the health of the forum in general.

[GypsyGoth]

I can't see Vicky or Niamh passing on info. They are not like that.

[Jack_]

I agree that he/she shouldn't be faking their identity altogether... but you have to look at the bigger picture...

Mods can see your registration details and should not be abusing that.. regardless of what the member is doing... two wrongs do not make a right.

When you register on a site, you expect some kind of privacy for your details.

Okay, I see your point now. But if they had bad intentions, such as being a paedophile, maybe, as I have suggested before but don't really stand by anymore. Then I feel it would be necessary to have them reported and also named and shamed.

Innocent until proven guilty though Jack, that's always the way it should be, don't you think? I don't want to hear idle speculation and gossip on the forum. There are various avenues to take if you have a problem with a certain member, and I think discretion is very important, for everybody involved and for the health of the forum in general.

But in some [or most] cases it's rather obvious, and well in this case if they've managed to prove it then they have been proven guilty, no?

[lily.]

Even if they have been proven guilty... they would be guilty of faking their identity. It's not against site rules, so technically, it's no business of the admin/mods.

[setanta]

But in some [or most] cases it's rather obvious, and well in this case if they've managed to prove it then they have been proven guilty, no?

Again, there's a way to deal with it properly, rather than to indulge in hear'say, you know? It's never completely obvious and should be treated with a certain element of decorum and discretion. That's what I think anyway.

[lily.]

I think that if they pose a risk to other users on the site, they should be banned.

Other than that, there's really no need for mods/admin to be involved at all.

However, if they want to use the information they are privvy to, that's all fine and well, but they ought not to share it with others.

[Jack_]

Even if they have been proven guilty... they would be guilty of faking their identity. It's not against site rules, so technically, it's no business of the admin/mods.

It might not be against site rules but I certainly think members have a right to know, really.

People can end up becoming really close to people via forums, would save a lot of possible trouble if they were told...

Again, there's a way to deal with it properly, rather than to indulge in hear'say, you know? It's never completely obvious and should be treated with a certain element of decorum and discretion. That's what I think anyway.

Okay, fair enough then. But my point above ^ still stands.

[MrGaryy]

I can't see Vicky or Niamh passing on info. They are not like that.

Why not? Niamh is in the most obvious clique on tibb, makes perfect sense she'd leak gossip to them.

[setanta]

It might not be against site rules but I certainly think members have a right to know, really.

People can end up becoming really close to people via forums, would save a lot of possible trouble if they were told...



Okay, fair enough then. But my point above ^ still stands.

But you don't know that she's not a she or not the age she says she is; that's my point. Leave her be if she's not causing you any harm, you know?

[lily.]

It might not be against site rules but I certainly think members have a right to know, really.

People can end up becoming really close to people via forums, would save a lot of possible trouble if they were told...



I disagree.

I think it's down to individuals to use their common sense when dealing with people online, and to protect their own identity.

When you become 'close to someone online', you should always bear in mind that the person might not be who he/she says they are.

Unless you have some human contact with people, you need to keep your own safety in mind and remember that they could be anyone.

It's not up to the mods/admin of a BB site to protect us from people who lie online. 99% of internet users lie. It's up to us to have the sense to accept that.

Anyway, this isn't really about whether or not MM&I should be outed for lying... it's about mods abusing their powers to get information about users then passing it along to others.

I suspect this has happened, and I doubt I'm alone in that.

[Jack_]

But you don't know that she's not a she or not the age she says she is; that's my point. Leave her be if she's not causing you any hard, you know?

Well if the 'rumour' that his/her real Facebook profile was found, then that's pretty much conclusive proof, really.

All I'm saying is I'd like to know a little bit more about this Facebook thing...so we can get to the bottom of it.

[GypsyGoth]

Why not? Niamh is in the most obvious clique on tibb, makes perfect sense she'd leak gossip to them.

But that is like saying Greg leaked info to you and your friends.

I know Niamh well enough to know that she is professional, and yes she has friends on tibb, but it's hardly a clique. And lastly she would never give out info about anyone, if you knew her better you'd be sure of that fact too.

[lily.]

I'm sure of one fact. This info was leaked.

By whom? I do not know.

But, I think it's worrying that our info is not safe.

[setanta]

Well if the 'rumour' that his/her real Facebook profile was found, then that's pretty much conclusive proof, really.

All I'm saying is I'd like to know a little bit more about this Facebook thing...so we can get to the bottom of it.

Yes, but that can be done behind closed doors rather than mentioned and discussed on an open forum, don't you think? It's not healthy for Tibb to be indulging in that kinda speculation on an open board.

[AfroMullet]

Ok, i admit it, it was me, i put the screw in the tuna.

LOL really though, everytime i come on this site i always see some kinda drama and i never know what its all about, but it seems that the internet is serious business.

But yeah after browsin this thread, i dont have a clue whats goin on, but mods shouldnt be gettin peoples personal details for any reason other then something important about the site.

[MrGaryy]

But that is like saying Greg leaked info to you and your friends.

I know Niamh well enough to know that she is professional, and yes she has friends on tibb, but it's hardly a clique. And lastly she would never give out info about anyone, if you knew her better you'd be sure of that fact too.

Difference is, the person who was told all this just so happened to be in Niamh's posse, not in Greg and mine's group. So I don't see how that's relevant.

[lily.]

Ok, i admit it, it was me, i put the screw in the tuna.

LOL really though, everytime i come on this site i always see some kinda drama and i never know what its all about, but it seems that the internet is serious business.

But yeah after browsin this thread, i dont have a clue whats goin on, but mods shouldnt be gettin peoples personal details for any reason other then something important about the site.


And, that is basically the point I've been trying to make....

[Jack_]

I disagree.

I think it's down to individuals to use their common sense when dealing with people online, and to protect their own identity.

When you become 'close to someone online', you should always bear in mind that the person might not be who he/she says they are.

Unless you have some human contact with people, you need to keep your own safety in mind and remember that they could be anyone.

It's not up to the mods/admin of a BB site to protect us from people who lie online. 99% of internet users lie. It's up to us to have the sense to accept that.

Whilst this is all true there's some very innocent, vulnerable and let's be honest, quite ignorant people using not only this forum, but the internet on the whole. Mostly young but then even some are pushing into their teens...

Sadly not everyone is clued up about the internet as others, and those are the ones that should be protected from where the problem would start - here.

Whilst I could smell a paedophile a mile away, I could name a few on this forum that probably couldn't.

That's all I'm worried about really.

[Niamh.]

Why not? Niamh is in the most obvious clique on tibb, makes perfect sense she'd leak gossip to them.

Niamh didn't say anything to anyone thank you very much.

[lily.]

Jack, there are a lot of vulnerable internet users. I agree.

However, it's the responsibility of their parents to keep them safe online... not the moderators of a Big Brother forum, so my point still stands.

[GypsyGoth]

Difference is, the person who was told all this just so happened to be in Niamh's posse, not in Greg and mine's group. So I don't see how that's relevant.

Niamh doesn't have a posse or a clique. And I think it is unfair to blame her, she is not even her to defend herself.

edit: nevermind, the last part of my sentence :blush:

[Jack_]

Jack, there are a lot of vulnerable internet users. I agree.

However, it's the responsibility of their parents to keep them safe online... not the moderators of a Big Brother forum, so my point still stands.

Of course, but even then there's some useless parents. Wouldn't it be better for them to get extra protection rather than run the risk?

I understand it's not at all the mods responsibility, more of an act of human decency or looking out for vulnerable people, I guess.

[Niamh.]

Niamh doesn't have a posse or a clique. And I think it is unfair to blame her, she is not even her to defend herself.

edit: nevermind, the last part of my sentence :blush:

Thanks Claudia, I would expect nothing less than for Gary to blame anyway!

[lily.]

No, I honestly don't think mods/admin have a duty to protect the users. Who's to say some of the mods/admin aren't predators either? (hypothetically speaking) ... They don't exactly have to be police-checked to moderate a BB forum.

[MrGaryy]

Niamh doesn't have a posse or a clique. And I think it is unfair to blame her, she is not even her to defend herself.

edit: nevermind, the last part of my sentence :blush:

Oh come on. Everyone knows it - Niamh, InOne, Ninastar, Kitty, Smithy, bettiepaige, they're all one clique. There's nothing wrong with it, half of them have the sense to admit it themselves but lets not delude ourselves here.

[AfroMullet]

And, that is basically the point I've been trying to make....

And thats the bottom line because stone cold said so.

LOL how anyone can disagree with you is past me, its all in the data protection act, so how can you disagree with a law LOL.

And its the users/there gardians responsibility to be safe online, and if a mod or what ever thinks a user is a peedo or is out to harm someone, then the correct process is informing the feds, not talkin to other members.

[lily.]

True Gary. I wasn't sure who was in the clique.. but I know who's in ours, and I wouldn't deny it if challenged.

[MrGaryy]

Thanks Claudia, I would expect nothing less than for Gary to blame anyway!

omg yah cos i'm the only one.:joker:

[lily.]

And thats the bottom line because stone cold said so.

LOL how anyone can disagree with you is past me, its all in the data protection act, so how can you disagree with a law LOL.

And its the users/there gardians responsibility to be safe online, and if a mod or what ever thinks a user is a peedo or is out to harm someone, then the correct process is informing the feds, not talkin to other members.


The voice of reason.. finally..

[AfroMullet]

The voice of reason.. finally..

Under my big afro is an even bigger brain.

[lily.]

Well, I've said my piece. And, I stand by my theory.

Now I'm going to bed.

[GypsyGoth]

Oh come on. Everyone knows it - Niamh, InOne, Ninastar, Kitty, Smithy, bettiepaige, they're all one clique. There's nothing wrong with it, half of them have the sense to admit it themselves but lets not delude ourselves here.

But that suggests that they are not individuals and that if you fall out with one, you fall out with them all. They are not like that. They are just a group of friends, and I'm glad I can count them amongst my friends here at tibb.

Anyway this is going around in circles.

[Niamh.]

Oh come on. Everyone knows it - Niamh, InOne, Ninastar, Kitty, Smithy, bettiepaige, they're all one clique. There's nothing wrong with it, half of them have the sense to admit it themselves but lets not delude ourselves here.

gary, I understand that you don't like me but I've only been a mod for 2 weeks and I'm not going to risk being un modded by gossiping about stuff like that.

[IloveSophie<3]

=o Scary . . . :hides:

[MrGaryy]

But that suggests that they are not individuals and that if you fall out with one, you fall out with them all. They are not like that.

well I think setanta is living proof that's the exact case.

And Niamh could you calm down I already made it clear I wasn't accusing you because I still think it could be Vicky who leaked it, I'm just laying down the facts here that it makes sense that it could be you. Christ.

[setanta]

But that suggests that they are not individuals and that if you fall out with one, you fall out with them all. They are not like that. They are just a group of friends, and I'm glad I can count them amongst my friends here at tibb.

Anyway this is going around in circles.

Hi, I'm James. Remember me? Sorry, couldn't resist.

But nah, this open season leakage stuff is wrong, if anyone is doing it, especially when nothing has been proven. It tarnishes the place, making it a far worse site to post in, you know?

[Niamh.]

omg yah cos i'm the only one.:joker:

Well, all I can say is that I didn't say anything to anyone about it. You or anyone else who seems to think it was me have no proof other than the fact that you think I'm part of a clique and that you don't like me.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Oh come on. Everyone knows it - Niamh, InOne, Ninastar, Kitty, Smithy, bettiepaige, they're all one clique. There's nothing wrong with it, half of them have the sense to admit it themselves but lets not delude ourselves here.

Well you've got that wrong for one thing but I won't split hairs about the names. Yes I talk to a few FM regularly away from the forum, but why does that automatically mean that Niamh, the one who happens to be a mod, must be leaking information meant only for mods/admin? Which she hasn't and doesn't btw. Seems to me that personal feelings towards her are being brought into this which is totally unfair and out of order tbh.

[GypsyGoth]

well I think setanta is living proof that's the exact case.


Hi, I'm James. Remember me? Sorry, couldn't resist.


:wavey: hiya James :)


People fell out with James for their own reasons, and James fell out with them. This is going back over a period of months.

And I am still friends with James, but because that disproves your clique theory, I'm not listed as being part of it.

[setanta]

:wavey: hiya James :)


People fell out with James for their own reasons, and James fell out with them. This is going back over a period of months.

And I am still friends with James, but because that disproves your clique theory, I'm not listed as being part of it.

Hiya gorgeous

They've admitted to being a clique on a number of occasions though. And I fell out with them because of it.

Anyway, that's neither here nor there - Lily's original post is still valid.

[Ramsay]

i love being a lone wolf

[setanta]

i love being a lone wolf

Don't go Travis Bickle on us though, ok?

[Ramsay]

Don't go Travis Bickle on us though, ok?

:joker:

[Niamh.]

i love being a lone wolf

you're in a clique with Fowley you liar!

[Ramsay]

you're in a clique with Fowley you liar!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs111.snc3/15862_1292210942331_1141985112_914132_8162826_n.jp g

aw hells yea

[setanta]

http://www.scorsesefilms.com/photos/images/images/taxidriver2_jpg.jpg

Are you the one at the front of the back Karl? Either way, you could so pull of that look. :hugesmile:

[Jessica.]

:o

[Ramsay]

http://www.scorsesefilms.com/photos/images/images/taxidriver2_jpg.jpg

Are you the one at the front of the back Karl? Either way, you could so pull of that look. :hugesmile:

im the one in the front with the bathrobe on
fowley is in the back:laugh:

[Ramsay]

http://a.imageshack.us/img3/4848/d19ife.gif

[setanta]

im the one in the front with the bathrobe on
fowley is in the back:laugh:

It's there. You've got it. Feel the anger... just go for it. :hugesmile:

[Niamh.]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs111.snc3/15862_1292210942331_1141985112_914132_8162826_n.jp g

aw hells yea

awwwwwwwwwww Fowley ftw:hugesmile:

[Vicky.]

This drama is over now, we have found out what happened and will be discussing it tomorrow when admin are hopefully online.