Not very open-minded about the creation of the universe, eh?

[ScabbyMoreLike]

He's entitled to his creationist views but going "EH-ERRRRR!" everytime someone tried to discuss a less George W Bush style theory to how the universe came into being doesn't make me want him to win.

I've respected the fact that he hasn't been too OTT with his religious opinions during his time in the house but not letting anyone else talk about that particular subject makes me wonder how extreme he may be.

So if you want to stop Josie from winning, as I know many do, maybe voting for someone else other than Dave would be sensible. If you care...

[InOne]

He is the kind of person that makes Dawkins and Hitchins look like Gods.

[Livia]

I find Christians a little bit shouty-downy about the creationist/evolutionist question. Amazing really, in the face of so much scientific evidence.

[MTVN]

I find Christians a little bit shouty-downy about the creationist/evolutionist question. Amazing really, in the face of so much scientific evidence.

Most Christians have come to accept evolution now though

[vesavius]

People are closed minded if they don't share Dave's beliefs, and they are just plain wrong if he dosent share theirs.

I thought we all knew this by now ;)

[Livia]

Most Christians have come to accept evolution now though

Yes, you're right. I should have said "some Christians".

[ScabbyMoreLike]

Even if he's stubborn/ignorant/misguided enough to stick to the 'pure creationism' belief, I find the lack of tolerance off-putting. Isn't understanding of others meant to be at the key of Christianity?

[InOne]

Atheist: Who designed the designer?

Theist: God is was and always will be!

Atheist: Erm, yeah ok :joker:

[vesavius]

Even if he's stubborn/ignorant/misguided enough to stick to the 'pure creationism' belief, I find the lack of tolerance off-putting. Isn't understanding of others meant to be at the key of Christianity?

No, not really.

Dave will tolerate you, as he tolerates gays, in order to save you.

Whether you like it or not.

[ScabbyMoreLike]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScabbyMoreLike
Even if he's stubborn/ignorant/misguided enough to stick to the 'pure creationism' belief, I find the lack of tolerance off-putting. Isn't understanding of others meant to be at the key of Christianity?

No, not really.

Dave will tolerate you, as he tolerates gays, in order to save you.

Whether you like it or not.

I fear you're right. Who will rid us of this troublesome monk?!

[Stacey.]

Agreed. I thought this too.

[Shasown]

No, not really.

Dave will tolerate you, as he tolerates gays, in order to save you.

Whether you like it or not.

Did he try to save Shabby Mario or Joevan?

[BJ]

Yes, you're right. I should have said "some Christians".

It seems to be mainly born again christians

[Robertocarlo]

He's entitled to his creationist views but going "EH-ERRRRR!" everytime someone tried to discuss a less George W Bush style theory to how the universe came into being doesn't make me want him to win.

I've respected the fact that he hasn't been too OTT with his religious opinions during his time in the house but not letting anyone else talk about that particular subject makes me wonder how extreme he may be.

So if you want to stop Josie from winning, as I know many do, maybe voting for someone else other than Dave would be sensible. If you care...

I agree, what a plonker. Dave's of the same mindset that saw thousands burned at the stake for being Witches! Funny, how the church admits it got it wrong there (and about slavery) but somehow thinks it's so right about the Gay thingy (i.e. it's good to be a homophobe because God says so) and of course many now believe in that creationist bull sh*t.

[vesavius]

Did he try to save Shabby Mario or Joevan?

Dave's grooming technique takes time, he dosent rush things, but his views have been openly stated by him.

He dosent hate the person for being gay, but he sees the act as against his god and as a sin that they can be redeemed from and bought back into the light.

[BJ]

Dave's grooming technique takes time, he dosent rush things, but his views have been openly stated by him.

He dosent hate the person for being gay, but he sees the act as against his god and as a sin that they can be redeemed from and bought back into the light.

So Dave is patronising as well as backstabbing

[Malza]

The conversation they had this afternoon, when JJ pointed out that Dave is brainwashing his daughter worries me even more now, knowing he is in denial of the evolution

[mrlimbo]

Its all quite funny reading all your posts slamming someone for not believing what you believe in , quite ironic really , be careful peeps , this is how Fascism started !

[ElProximo]

It amazes me how so many people believe in the Gnostic creation myth called 'evolutionism' and especially in the 21st century in light of so much overwhelming scientific enlightenment,
but,
It does show the astonishing power of BBC evolutionist propaganda and what happens when school children are raised with no other options,
but having said that:
Even though more and more people are rejecting the 'theory of evolution' and many surveys showing 'Creationism' on the rise in the UK, Poland, USA etc,
still,
even still I don't think anyone ought to 'shout down' those who still believe that there was some sort of great grandmother bowl of inorganic soup that mated with a shaft of lightning which turned into hawks, worms, grass, T-Rex, giraffes etc.
It is quite common.
yes, of course belief in this evolution myth led to slavery, racism, mass murder etc,
but,
that is not what the average believer agrees to anymore.
David should just be cool and thankful he knows better.

[InOne]

It amazes me how so many people believe in the Gnostic creation myth called 'evolutionism' and especially in the 21st century in light of so much overwhelming scientific enlightenment,
but,
It does show the astonishing power of BBC evolutionist propaganda and what happens when school children are raised with no other options,
but having said that:
Even though more and more people are rejecting the 'theory of evolution' and many surveys showing 'Creationism' on the rise in the UK, Poland, USA etc,
still,
even still I don't think anyone ought to 'shout down' those who still believe that there was some sort of great grandmother bowl of inorganic soup that mated with a shaft of lightning which turned into hawks, worms, grass, T-Rex, giraffes etc.
It is quite common.
yes, of course belief in this evolution myth led to slavery, racism, mass murder etc,
but,
that is not what the average believer agrees to anymore.
David should just be cool and thankful he knows better.

Stop being 'rediculous. You know what you're typing is bollocks

[Patrick]

He was such a bellend when he was like 'Shush, No Shush' to JJ when he said about evolution.

Who the ****** does he think he is?

I for one agree with JJ.
Evolution is far more true than ******ing God and Adam and Eve.

[ElProximo]

Stop being 'rediculous. You know what you're typing is bollocks

You should know what I typed is realistic and reflects trends.

[Malza]

Evolution is far more true than ******ing God and Adam and Eve.

Reminds me that Dave today also said he truly believes in Mary being a virgin being pregnant.

Josie was arguing with him about that topic as well

[stonedape]

I only came here to read ElProximo's inevitable convoluted mess criticizing evolution. It was worth it :thumbs:

[Shasown]

Reminds me that Dave today also said he truly believes in Mary being a virgin being pregnant.

Josie was arguing with him about that topic as well

She could have been. Heavy petting can result in sperm release without ejaculation. Sperm can be transferred from outside the body to inside a females body and fertilise an ovum. Unlikely as ******* but possible.

[-Sue-]

People are closed minded if they don't share Dave's beliefs, and they are just plain wrong if he dosent share theirs.

I thought we all knew this by now ;)

well said still loving your work :)

[cub]

I think Dave should be on Question Time.

"Eh-Errrrrgh!"

[Barbie]

Evolution makes far more sense to me than a man in the sky making us. But i'd be happy to listen to Dave try to explain why he believes that. In fact he expects people to listen to his views, but he doesn't listen to other views himself.

i find far more flaws in creationism than evolution.

[fingers]

Evolution makes far more sense to me than a man in the sky making us. But i'd be happy to listen to Dave try to explain why he believes that. In fact he expects people to listen to his views, but he doesn't listen to other views himself.

i find far more flaws in creationism than evolution.

St. Dave believes what is written in his book of fairy stories created by people even more ignorant and intolerant than he is.:wavey:

[Blueisthecolour]

I find Christians a little bit shouty-downy about the creationist/evolutionist question. Amazing really, in the face of so much scientific evidence.


To be honest, I find atheists far more "shouty-downy" than your average Christian.

Overly aggressive non-belief is the future.

[InOne]

To be honest, I find atheists far more "shouty-downy" than your average Christian.

Overly aggressive non-belief is the future.

Not really. Because for some reason it is drilled in from an early age that we should respect religions.

[Blueisthecolour]

Not really what?

I was just stating what I personally have found to be the case.

I know Christians - who tend to be quite self-contained generally, they believe what they believe but are quite happy to let other people have their opinions.

I also know Agnostics and Atheists, many of whom are incredibly aggressive- produce reams and reams of (often conflicting) scientific theories printed off the internet to prove why they are right to contend that religion is rubbish and simply will never let the matter go.

I heard Ricky Gervais and the Archbishop of Canterbury (a strange mix) on the radio a while ago. Ricky Gervais attacked Rowan Williams incessantly and aggressively - shouting things like "Go on then convince me" and Go on then - prove that God exists" and he got more and more annoyed as the Archbishop just smiled and said "Look, you believe what you want - it's fine, you're entitled to that opinion".


ps. Oh, and we should respect religions. We should respect everyone's opinion.

[ScabbyMoreLike]

Its all quite funny reading all your posts slamming someone for not believing what you believe in , quite ironic really , be careful peeps , this is how Fascism started !

If you bother to read my posts, I have been quite clear that I respect Dave's right to hold his views but my point is that I wish he would be open at least to others debating the subject. It's not even about him disagreeing with others on the subject - he won't even allow them to discuss it in his presence!

[luminoussun]

Dave is allowed his opinions.....i believe it was because jj2 was taking the piss about werewolfs and invisilble women earlier and dave was just being as rude as him back
p.s. don't get me wrong i think he done too much drugs

[Beso]

we are aliens.

[mrlimbo]

If you bother to read my posts, I have been quite clear that I respect Dave's right to hold his views but my point is that I wish he would be open at least to others debating the subject. It's not even about him disagreeing with others on the subject - he won't even allow them to discuss it in his presence!

But everyone seems to miss the point that "Dave" was being humorous and not dogmatic unlike most posters here :elephant:

[vesavius]

Dave is allowed his opinions...

Yes, he is, but what we are discussing here is the way he shuts down and dismisses others for theirs.

Keep up.

[Livia]

To be honest, I find atheists far more "shouty-downy" than your average Christian.

Overly aggressive non-belief is the future.

I am not an athiest. I'm not a Christian either. I find people "of faith" narrow minded, particularly when it comes to creationism v. evolution. Christians (only because we're talking about Christians here, but I mean every Bible-based religion) pick and choose the bits of the Bible they're going to fight about. Yesterday, Dave made it clear he believed that God created man in his image because it says so in the Bible. He also had his hair cut, although it says, quite clearly in the same Bible, that having your hair cut around your temples is punishable by death. You can't pick and choose the bits you want to believe. It's either God's word, or it's not.

[vesavius]

well said still loving your work :)

:blush:

:wavey:

[Sunday]

Yes, he is, but what we are discussing here is the way he shuts down and dismisses others for theirs.

Keep up.


I agree, he doesnt like people to not agree with him.

[Jezzy]

Evolution vs creationism is an old favourite of mine to ponder.

NOTHING in science rules out an ultimate creator, per se.

Also, M-Theory and its hypothesis of 11 dimensions actually gets past the necessity for there to have to be a beginning of the dimension we know as time.

I don't believe evolution and creationism are mutually exclusive; there are as many holes in the science as there are in the religious explanation, and I tend to think that far FROM being exclusive, the two actually complement each other a lot better than they stand as separate theories.

[vesavius]

So Dave is patronising as well as backstabbing

Indeed.

[vesavius]

Reminds me that Dave today also said he truly believes in Mary being a virgin being pregnant.

Josie was arguing with him about that topic as well



That was when he said he believes in the virgin Mary myth, but wouldnt trust his daughter if she claimed it?

He will argue for the supernatural when it comes to werewolves and flying and all other things of the supernatural, and call others close minded for not agreeing with him, but he definitely would not believe his daughter if she said her pregnancy was immaculate...

Quite a double standard.

[mrlimbo]

Reminds me that Dave today also said he truly believes in Mary being a virgin being pregnant.


Well this is true and i have unequivocal evidence , as this happend to my wife 3 times , honest just ask her.......................:conf:

[flamingGalah!]

It amazes me how so many people believe in the Gnostic creation myth called 'evolutionism' and especially in the 21st century in light of so much overwhelming scientific enlightenment,
but,
It does show the astonishing power of BBC evolutionist propaganda and what happens when school children are raised with no other options,
but having said that:
Even though more and more people are rejecting the 'theory of evolution' and many surveys showing 'Creationism' on the rise in the UK, Poland, USA etc,
still,
even still I don't think anyone ought to 'shout down' those who still believe that there was some sort of great grandmother bowl of inorganic soup that mated with a shaft of lightning which turned into hawks, worms, grass, T-Rex, giraffes etc.
It is quite common.
yes, of course belief in this evolution myth led to slavery, racism, mass murder etc,
but,
that is not what the average believer agrees to anymore.
David should just be cool and thankful he knows better.

You do make me laugh Elpoxy, I bet even you couldn't keep a straight face when you typed out all that nonsense... :joker:

Though it is actually worrying if you truely believe it :shocked:

You should know what I typed is realistic and reflects trends.

LOL!! I think you need help mate... :xyxwave:

[InOne]

Thinking back he might've been joking. Seems his kinda humour. But he's one of those where you never know

[vesavius]

I am not an athiest. I'm not a Christian either. I find people "of faith" narrow minded, particularly when it comes to creationism v. evolution. Christians (only because we're talking about Christians here, but I mean every Bible-based religion) pick and choose the bits of the Bible they're going to fight about. Yesterday, Dave made it clear he believed that God created man in his image because it says so in the Bible. He also had his hair cut, although it says, quite clearly in the same Bible, that having your hair cut around your temples is punishable by death. You can't pick and choose the bits you want to believe. It's either God's word, or it's not.

I agree, and this cherry picking, focusing on selected parts, and twisting of the gospel (that fulfill the agenda one wishes to promote and use) by a minister is a classic element of what is considered a counterfeit religion. It's also a recognised practise of cultism.

[Pato]

No argument dave's right he's always right

[monx]

As all the others in the house are respectful of his beliefs, then I think Dave should be able to listen to another housemate discuss his beliefs on evolution.

The fact that Dave was unable to say to JJ2, well you are entitled to your opinion but I dont personally believe that makes me wonder why Dave was unwilling to discuss this further. Surely if he has built his life on this belief and he is certain beyond a shadow of a doubt then why not discuss it. In my opinion he knows that his beliefs do not stand up to scrutiny and therefore would rather just deny the argument exists and just bury his head deeper into the sand.

Dont get me wrong, I am more than happy for him to have his beliefs and to talk about them but I wouldnt put up with him completely disregarding mine because they questioned his.

I have yet to have a conversation with someone of any faith who can explain (with any conviction) how the earth is only a couple of thousand years old yet rock, fossils and whole eco systems have been carbon dated to millions of years in the past? How, if we as humans are made in God's image, how we can share DNA with closely related animals like chimpanzees and apes?

I am not belittiling anyones faith, I am of the opininon if you believe in some otherwordly deity who is going to listen to your problems, provide solutions etc and it gives you comfort then it is a good thing. When it totally dominates every aspect of your life and stops you questioning things, blindly accepting things because "it is written" then I believe it is dangerous. This kind of religious radicalism is how societies become marginalised and religious wars break out.

[ScabbyMoreLike]

Dont get me wrong, I am more than happy for him to have his beliefs and to talk about them but I wouldnt put up with him completely disregarding mine because they questioned his.

Nicely summed up!

However, I'm not convinced it's because he thinks his beliefs don't stand up but because he thinks they would not be popular with the majority of viewers/HMs. The word 'fake' is used too frequently in relation to BB but if it can be applied to others for minor matters then it should be levelled at Dave on this count.

[Rofl Copter]

The Big Brother audience have always slated religious people.

[flamingGalah!]

The Big Brother audience have always slated religious people.

Dave needs slating, I have a few on my roof I'd like to use...

[vesavius]

The Big Brother audience have always slated religious people.


I actually like religious people, better to believe in something then nothing I always say, but I don't like intolerant control freak cultists that employ grooming tecniques.


Saying that though, he has provided us with a lot to talk about this season, so I don't begrudge him his place in there right now.

[Blueisthecolour]

Evolution vs creationism is an old favourite of mine to ponder.

NOTHING in science rules out an ultimate creator, per se.

I don't believe evolution and creationism are mutually exclusive; there are as many holes in the science as there are in the religious explanation, and I tend to think that far FROM being exclusive, the two actually complement each other a lot better than they stand as separate theories.



I agree with that, very much so.

[lynette]

He is the kind of person that makes Dawkins and Hitchins look like Gods.

Oh BRAVO!!!! *Standing and applauding*

[ElProximo]

...... pick and choose the bits of the Bible they're going to fight about. Yesterday, Dave made it clear he believed that God created man in his image because it says so in the Bible. He also had his hair cut, although it says, quite clearly in the same Bible, that having your hair cut around your temples is punishable by death. You can't pick and choose the bits you want to believe. It's either God's word, or it's not.

You don't understand your own heritage apparently and David does.

First off - You SHOULD pick and choose what bit APPLY TO YOU and which apply to Israelites and laws which were ONLY FOR THEM and for NOBODY ELSE (which includes David).

First off .a) In the same way you have basic reading comprehension skills you apply to all kinds of literature you could then apply those same basic skills to reading a bible.
When an author is describing real people in real places in real time then you accept the text is 'literal' (as people use that term now),
and,
when an 'allegory' is being communicated then you simply take that as 'allegorical'.
A poem or a parable MAY be based on 'real people in a real time' but you understand it's meant to communicate the lesson or wisdom or 'idea' and not serve as 'literal information about the people in the poem'.

The vast majority of this is not complicated even children can do this seemingly 'instinctively' once they have basic reading skills,
but,
certainly adults ought to be able to do it and easily sail through 90%+ of the Bible without acting 'confused' over what the text is doing.

But anyways, nice job being completely ignorant of your own history. Even David knew better.
He, correctly, did not pick was was NOT offered to him in the first place.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree with that, very much so.

You don't understand your own heritage apparently and David does.

First off - You SHOULD pick and choose what bit APPLY TO YOU and which apply to Israelites and laws which were ONLY FOR THEM and for NOBODY ELSE (which includes David).

First off .a) In the same way you have basic reading comprehension skills you apply to all kinds of literature you could then apply those same basic skills to reading a bible.
When an author is describing real people in real places in real time then you accept the text is 'literal' (as people use that term now),
and,
when an 'allegory' is being communicated then you simply take that as 'allegorical'.
A poem or a parable MAY be based on 'real people in a real time' but you understand it's meant to communicate the lesson or wisdom or 'idea' and not serve as 'literal information about the people in the poem'.

The vast majority of this is not complicated even children can do this seemingly 'instinctively' once they have basic reading skills,
but,
certainly adults ought to be able to do it and easily sail through 90%+ of the Bible without acting 'confused' over what the text is doing.

But anyways, nice job being completely ignorant of your own history. Even David knew better.
He, correctly, did not pick was was NOT offered to him in the first place.

except not every book is claimed to be written by god

if you pick and choose you second guess god and that cant be good?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Evolution vs creationism is an old favourite of mine to ponder.

NOTHING in science rules out an ultimate creator, per se.

Also, M-Theory and its hypothesis of 11 dimensions actually gets past the necessity for there to have to be a beginning of the dimension we know as time.

I don't believe evolution and creationism are mutually exclusive; there are as many holes in the science as there are in the religious explanation, and I tend to think that far FROM being exclusive, the two actually complement each other a lot better than they stand as separate theories.

"there are as many holes in the science as there are in the religious explanation"

Even if that were true and it is not, the difference is that one is open to debate and improvement by one and all and the other shut its doors to any debate 2000 years ago


get real ffs

[Livia]

except not every book is claimed to be written by god

if you pick and choose you second guess god and that cant be good?

I guessed that the post you answered LT was written by that ranter, El Proximo. So excuse me while I hijack your post to reply...

El Proximo, I put you on ignore because, without even having exchanged half a dozen words with me, you told me that because I am a Jew, I think I should be able to control everything. Maybe you'd like it better if I stitched on a yellow Star of David.

You seems to have taken a really deep dislike to me and I find your post insulting in the extreme. I don't know why you should feel free to address my perfectly valid post in the way that you did and accuse me of being ignorant of my own history. I wasn't even talking to you - why would I? Maybe you'd prefer me not to write anything about the Bible because my own knowledge seems to be a little more profound than yours because mine, unlike yours, doesn't come from Google and Wikipedia.

I'd rather you didn't reply to my posts in future. I do not converse with bigots and racists.

[fingers]

I guessed that the post you answered LT was written by that ranter, El Proximo. So excuse me while I hijack your post to reply...

El Proximo, I put you on ignore because, without even having exchanged half a dozen words with me, you told me that because I am a Jew, I think I should be able to control everything. Maybe you'd like it better if I stitched on a yellow Star of David.

You seems to have taken a really deep dislike to me and I find your post insulting in the extreme. I don't know why you should feel free to address my perfectly valid post in the way that you did and accuse me of being ignorant of my own history. I wasn't even talking to you - why would I? Maybe you'd prefer me not to write anything about the Bible because my own knowledge seems to be a little more profound than yours because mine, unlike yours, doesn't come from Google and Wikipedia.

I'd rather you didn't reply to my posts in future. I do not converse with bigots and racists.

Well put, seems it has a new target!!!

[Livia]

Well put, seems it has a new target!!!

Seems putting him on ignore wasn't enough!

We can disagree without being vicious, can't we? You and I hardly ever agree! LOL...

[fingers]

Seems putting him on ignore wasn't enough!

We can disagree without being vicious, can't we? You and I hardly ever agree! LOL...Got a feeling that we agree on one thing - a pseudo psychiatrist masquerading as someone who thinks he knows what he's talking about!:wavey:

[Livia]

Got a feeling that we agree on one thing - a pseudo psychiatrist masquerading as someone who thinks he knows what he's talking about!:wavey:

Fingers... finally... some common ground! I feel quite emotional!

[fingers]

Fingers... finally... some common ground! I feel quite emotional!

I have a reasonably clean hankie if'n you needs it!:devil:

[ElProximo]

I don't know why you should feel free to address my perfectly valid post in the way that you did and accuse me of being ignorant of my own history. I wasn't even talking to you - why would I? Maybe you'd prefer me not to write anything about the Bible because my own knowledge seems to be a little more profound than yours because mine, unlike yours, doesn't come from Google and Wikipedia.
.

Uh no, as I clearly and correctly explained to you - the haircutting law was given to Jews.
This is BASIC and nobody needs to go to google or wikipedia to understand this very basic concept.

You didn't. You mistakenly believed that David was 'not choosing' to adhere to a Law which was NOT for him. He shouldn't 'pick it'.
Not unless he wants to become an Israelite and live under the Law. Obviously he doesn't.

You blew that badly and made a mistake. You 'pwned yourself'.
Fine.
But don't try and compensate by pretending to have 'profound understanding' when you can't even get THAT right lol

[ElProximo]

Got a feeling that we agree on one thing - a pseudo psychiatrist masquerading as someone who thinks he knows what he's talking about!:wavey:

I know haircut laws were given to Israelites and only to them and not to anyone else.
David seems to know this too.

Jewish Princess up there didn't. That is no crime in itself but going about judging people by false and ignorant standards is annoying. So I called her on it.
So what?
Forums are for learning too.

[fingers]

Fingers... finally... some common ground! I feel quite emotional!

Don't look now but I think the Oracle might just be wasting his time again!! lol

Aint technology great ---- IGNORE! lol

[Livia]

Don't look now but I think the Oracle might just be wasting his time again!! lol

Aint technology great ---- IGNORE! lol

Yes it is... except I have one more thing to say to him but can't bring myself to click on his silly post so I'm hijacking yours fingers... hope that's okay.


I'll type this slowly El Proximo because I don't think you can read very fast.

Dave has talked about the Creation (Old Testament) and he also directly quoted from Leviticus (Old Testament) when he said that "homosexuality is an abomination in the sight of God". So... he either believes that the homosexuality thing he quoted to be true or he doesn't. If he does, then the bit about the hair cutting IS ALSO IN LEVITICUS, so why doesn't he believe that too. Cherry picking. Is that plain enough?

Now I'm asking you as politely as I can, don't address me any more. You offend me.

[flamingGalah!]

Don't look now but I think the Oracle might just be wasting his time again!! lol

Aint technology great ---- IGNORE! lol

I don't put him on ignore as his posts give me a good chuckle... Either a wind up merchant or extremely deluded, can't quite work out which... :joker:

[The Truth Is Out There!]

I guessed that the post you answered LT was written by that ranter, El Proximo. So excuse me while I hijack your post to reply...

El Proximo, I put you on ignore because, without even having exchanged half a dozen words with me, you told me that because I am a Jew, I think I should be able to control everything. Maybe you'd like it better if I stitched on a yellow Star of David.

You seems to have taken a really deep dislike to me and I find your post insulting in the extreme. I don't know why you should feel free to address my perfectly valid post in the way that you did and accuse me of being ignorant of my own history. I wasn't even talking to you - why would I? Maybe you'd prefer me not to write anything about the Bible because my own knowledge seems to be a little more profound than yours because mine, unlike yours, doesn't come from Google and Wikipedia.

I'd rather you didn't reply to my posts in future. I do not converse with bigots and racists.

:xyxwave: :hugesmile: WELL SAID!!! :wavey:

[King Gizzard]

It's over with people..no point in still going on about it.