Should boys and girls be treated equally?

[Captain.Remy]

Hot debate for tonight.

Let's discuss. :hugesmile:

[seanraff07]

Yes.

[Captain.Remy]

Yes.

ps: any kind of explanation ? it's much more appreciated. thanks.

[Captain.Remy]

In humanitarian issues, yes, as we move forward to the newer generation, both sexes should be looked and treated equal as we both have rights.
I believe there are things that a man can do exclusively and a woman can do solely, but that's what makes the world beautiful and so different isn't it ?

[Smithy]

Yes

But they aren't

[seanraff07]

ps: any kind of explanation ? it's much more appreciated. thanks.

Well, i just don't understand why they should be treated unequally?

Were all humans, therefore should be given the same chances and opportunities in life, same goes for all ethnic groups, i feel everything should be done to try and stop discrimination.

[Mystic Mock]

yes but its the girls that treat each other unequally half the time.

[arista]

Hot debate for tonight.

Let's discuss. :hugesmile:


No they Can not.


Like Our Frontline Army Troops are Only Men


Women can not handle that much Death.



Sign Of The Times.

[sexyb4ck]

its imposible to treat women equal to men they are two different phychical specimens apart from maybe g i jane

[BB_Eye]

Sure, of course. What they ought to do first is give women the right to walk a little more than five paces behind their husband. After that, we might even have to consider giving them the right to vote.

[30stone]

Id like to see most women try labouring..
Truck loading and things like that.

It would be to much of a struggle for most of them because they arent as strong.

[Firewire]

Id like to see most women try labouring..
Truck loading and things like that.

It would be to much of a struggle for most of them because they arent as strong.

As sexist as that sounded, it's completely true.

But yes, they should be treated equally in most circumstances.

[Smithy]

Id like to see most women try labouring..
Truck loading and things like that.

It would be to much of a struggle for most of them because they arent as strong.

Butch lesbians are

[Angus]

Well since the discussion has completely missed the point about treating both sexes equally in terms of respecting their strengths and weaknesses in all ways, and the contribution to humankind from both, and is purely being debated in physical terms let's get down to the nitty gritty.

When you're able to carry and nurture a baby in your body for nine months then push it out through a tiny aperture causing the most horrendous pain known to humankind, you will have my permission to come back and talk about whether men can ever be equal to women. That's the tragedy of being born male I suppose, you will never ever have THE most profound,lifechanging and meaningful experience in the world - giving birth - you are condemned always to a secondhand experience. Till then men, rest assured the majority of women have no need of male validation as to their worth - there is nothing more valuable than creating life.

[Jords]

Yes because I dont see any reason why we are different other than the obvious.

Of course men will be better at some tasks than women and vice-versa, but actually being treated should be equal.

[Firewire]

Yes because I dont see any reason why we are different other than the obvious.

Of course men will be better at some tasks than women and vice-versa, but actually being treated should be equal.

Yeah. That's basically what I meant.

[WOMBAI]

No they Can not.


Like Our Frontline Army Troops are Only Men


Women can not handle that much Death.


Sign Of The Times.

As a nurse that sees plenty of death - that is the biggest load of crap I have heard! :sleep:

I'd love to see men give birth - the human race would be extinct by now - they couldn't cope with the pain! :hugesmile:

[BB_Eye]

Well since the discussion has completely missed the point about treating both sexes equally in terms of respecting their strengths and weaknesses in all ways, and the contribution to humankind from both, and is purely being debated in physical terms let's get down to the nitty gritty.

When you're able to carry and nurture a baby in your body for nine months then push it out through a tiny aperture causing the most horrendous pain known to humankind, you will have my permission to come back and talk about whether men can ever be equal to women. That's the tragedy of being born male I suppose, you will never ever have THE most profound,lifechanging and meaningful experience in the world - giving birth - you are condemned always to a secondhand experience. Till then men, rest assured the majority of women have no need of male validation as to their worth - there is nothing more valuable than creating life.
The most horrendous pain known to humankind? Really?

[Angus]

The most horrendous pain known to humankind? Really?

YES, Really!

[Grimnir]

NO

Men are better than women.

They are physically superior and more intelligent

Want proof?

Look at all the sports worldwide, in athletics men always run faster, throw further etc

even in sports like darts or snooker where its non physical men are always better

there might be the odd exception like for netball (maybe men are better at this too, not really clued up on world of netball as its a girly sport)

then we have intelligence

throughout history its been men who have been famous artists, engineers, scientists, poets etc etc

and does anyone watch test the nation each year?

every single year - THE MEN WIN

bottom line MEN PWN WOMEN and MEN OWN WOMEN :dance:

women are brilliant at being mothers and giving birth and raising a family

why do women have small feet?

so they can get closer to the kitchen sink of course :thumbs:

:xyxwave: to all the feminists reading this :xyxwave:

[WOMBAI]

NO

Men are better than women.

They are physically superior and more intelligent

Want proof?

Look at all the sports worldwide, in athletics men always run faster, throw further etc

even in sports like darts or snooker where its non physical men are always better

there might be the odd exception like for netball (maybe men are better at this too, not really clued up on world of netball as its a girly sport)

then we have intelligence

throughout history its been men who have been famous artists, engineers, scientists, poets etc etc

and does anyone watch test the nation each year?

every single year - THE MEN WIN

bottom line MEN PWN WOMEN and MEN OWN WOMEN :dance:

women are brilliant at being mothers and giving birth and raising a family

why do women have small feet?

so they can get closer to the kitchen sink of course :thumbs:

:xyxwave: to all the feminists reading this :xyxwave:

You talk such uneducated crap - I suspect you are just some silly schoolkid!

Stick to bb - sounds about your level!

[Grimnir]

You talk such uneducated crap - I suspect you are just some silly schoolkid!

Stick to bb - sounds about your level!


:joker:

why dont you enlighten me with your pearls of wisdom

you know I speak the truth, you just cannot accept reality :xyxwave:

[Niamh.]

NO

Men are better than women.

They are physically superior and more intelligent

Want proof?

Look at all the sports worldwide, in athletics men always run faster, throw further etc

even in sports like darts or snooker where its non physical men are always better

there might be the odd exception like for netball (maybe men are better at this too, not really clued up on world of netball as its a girly sport)

then we have intelligence

throughout history its been men who have been famous artists, engineers, scientists, poets etc etc

and does anyone watch test the nation each year?

every single year - THE MEN WIN

bottom line MEN PWN WOMEN and MEN OWN WOMEN :dance:

women are brilliant at being mothers and giving birth and raising a family

why do women have small feet?

so they can get closer to the kitchen sink of course :thumbs:

:xyxwave: to all the feminists reading this :xyxwave:

what age are you 13?

[Jase]

[sarcasm joke]

Men are so much better than girls because girl are always saying oh we want to be qual to men. Why be equal when they can be so much better, that's a lack of ambition and shows that men are better

[/sarcasm joke]

[brian3]

"Should boys and girls be treated equally?"

Are we all 10 years old now

[Niamh.]

"Should boys and girls be treated equally?"

Are we all 10 years old now

lmao, seems so :joker:

[Grimnir]

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[Smithy]

You talk such uneducated crap - I suspect you are just some silly schoolkid!

Stick to bb - sounds about your level!

Why do you keep deleting your posts?

It's kinda pointless :conf2:

[Angus]

NO

Men are better than women.

They are physically superior and more intelligent

Want proof?

Look at all the sports worldwide, in athletics men always run faster, throw further etc

even in sports like darts or snooker where its non physical men are always better

there might be the odd exception like for netball (maybe men are better at this too, not really clued up on world of netball as its a girly sport)

then we have intelligence

throughout history its been men who have been famous artists, engineers, scientists, poets etc etc

and does anyone watch test the nation each year?

every single year - THE MEN WIN

bottom line MEN PWN WOMEN and MEN OWN WOMEN :dance:

women are brilliant at being mothers and giving birth and raising a family

why do women have small feet?

so they can get closer to the kitchen sink of course :thumbs:

:xyxwave: to all the feminists reading this :xyxwave:



Aww, bless:pat::laugh2:

[WOMBAI]

The question in itself is sexist! Would the op have asked if people of different colours/race should be treated differently, or people of different sexuality - I suspect not!

It is too obvious to be asked - of course they shouldn't! It has been medically established that intelligence is inherited from the mother - and has nothing to do with the sex of the child! People really should educate themselves more before asking such stupid questions and making such bizarre, uninformed sexist comments! Sigh! Genetics are the key to intelligence - not gender!

[Grimnir]

Well since the discussion has completely missed the point about treating both sexes equally in terms of respecting their strengths and weaknesses in all ways, and the contribution to humankind from both, and is purely being debated in physical terms let's get down to the nitty gritty.

When you're able to carry and nurture a baby in your body for nine months then push it out through a tiny aperture causing the most horrendous pain known to humankind, you will have my permission to come back and talk about whether men can ever be equal to women. That's the tragedy of being born male I suppose, you will never ever have THE most profound,lifechanging and meaningful experience in the world - giving birth - you are condemned always to a secondhand experience. Till then men, rest assured the majority of women have no need of male validation as to their worth - there is nothing more valuable than creating life.



so after this most profound, lifechanging and most meaningful experience in the world of giving birth, why do so many women in today's society choose career instead of devoting themselves to their family?

[brian3]

The question in itself is sexist! Would the op have asked if people of different colours/race should be treated differently, or people of different sexuality - I suspect not!

It is too obvious to be asked - of course they shouldn't! It has been medically established that intelligence is inherited from the mother - and has nothing to do with the sex of the child! People really should educate themselves more before asking such stupid questions and making such bizarre, uninformed sexist comments! Sigh! Genetics are the key to intelligence - not gender!

calm down. It's just a silly question. Ment to be a bit of fun.

[Niamh.]

so after this most profound, lifechanging and most meaningful experience in the world of giving birth, why do so many women in today's society choose career instead of devoting themselves to their family?

well, strange as it may seem some men are better and more maternal then women and vice versa, also some women have better jobs than their husbands so it makes more sense. We're all individuals it's not black and white as you're trying to make out:hugesmile:

[SoBig]

NO

Men are better than women.

They are physically superior and more intelligent

Want proof?

Look at all the sports worldwide, in athletics men always run faster, throw further etc

even in sports like darts or snooker where its non physical men are always better

there might be the odd exception like for netball (maybe men are better at this too, not really clued up on world of netball as its a girly sport)

then we have intelligence

throughout history its been men who have been famous artists, engineers, scientists, poets etc etc

and does anyone watch test the nation each year?

every single year - THE MEN WIN

bottom line MEN PWN WOMEN and MEN OWN WOMEN :dance:

women are brilliant at being mothers and giving birth and raising a family

why do women have small feet?

so they can get closer to the kitchen sink of course :thumbs:

:xyxwave: to all the feminists reading this :xyxwave:
:worship::worship::worship:

[brian3]

so after this most profound, lifechanging and most meaningful experience in the world of giving birth, why do so many women in today's society choose career instead of devoting themselves to their family?

They hand it over to a nanny. After all she is not as good as a carrer woman. They tend to be working class dont you know

[WOMBAI]

so after this most profound, lifechanging and most meaningful experience in the world of giving birth, why do so many women in today's society choose career instead of devoting themselves to their family?

Because women have a lot more about them then just raising families! In the modern world, with more labour saving devices - women have more time to follow careers as well as having families!

Like most things in life, it is about choice! If women are able and want to do both - that is up to them! It is not for individuals with narrow, pre-conceived ideas to tell others how they should live their lives according to their gender!

[Grimnir]

The question in itself is sexist! Would the op have asked if people of different colours/race should be treated differently, or people of different sexuality - I suspect not!

It is too obvious to be asked - of course they shouldn't! It has been medically established that intelligence is inherited from the mother - and has nothing to do with the sex of the child! People really should educate themselves more before asking such stupid questions and making such bizarre, uninformed sexist comments! Sigh! Genetics are the key to intelligence - not gender!


if this so called well established theory you say is indeed true

does it mean that when a boy inherits an intelligence gene from its mother it puts it to better use than the girl?

all men, women and children all over the world are equal in terms of human rights whatever sex, race or religion etc

but the truth is overall men are physically stronger and faster and more intelligent than women :tongue:

women are more compassionate I would say overall

but there are exceptions

sometimes might get a fat man with an IQ of 85 but he is most caring guy in the world

or a brainbox woman built like a brick sh**house but she goes clubbing baby seals for her holidays

[WOMBAI]

if this so called well established theory you say is indeed true

does it mean that when a boy inherits an intelligence gene from its mother it puts it to better use than the girl?

all men, women and children all over the world are equal in terms of human rights whatever sex, race or religion etc

but the truth is overall men are physically stronger and faster and more intelligent than women :tongue:

women are more compassionate I would say overall

but there are exceptions

sometimes might get a fat man with an IQ of 85 but he is most caring guy in the world

or a brainbox woman built like a brick sh**house but she goes clubbing baby seals for her holidays

Physical strength has bugger all to do with anything - if it did elephants would rule the world!

I repeat, intelligence is what counts - and that is an individual thing - and has nothing to do with gender! Read up on it - then come back to us!

[Grimnir]

Physical strength has bugger all to do with anything - if it did elephants would rule the world!

I repeat, intelligence is what counts - and that is an individual thing - and has nothing to do with gender! Read up on it - then come back to us!

elephants ruling the world = WIN :joker:


Mastermind = most champions are MEN
Countdown = most champions are MEN
Krypton Factor = most champions are MEN
Test the Nation Intelligence Test = 100% victory for MEN

what other shows are there that MEN always WIN?

most of the world's scientists are MEN

CHESS that game is 100% brainpower game MEN RULE

tell me a few instances where women PWN the MEN and I will concede :xyxwave:

[WOMBAI]

elephants ruling the world = WIN :joker:


Mastermind = most champions are MEN
Countdown = most champions are MEN
Krypton Factor = most champions are MEN
Test the Nation Intelligence Test = 100% victory for MEN

what other shows are there that MEN always WIN?

most of the world's scientists are MEN

CHESS that game is 100% brainpower game MEN RULE

tell me a few instances where women PWN the MEN and I will concede :xyxwave:

Most of those things only apply because men are insecure, have bigger egos and need to prove themselves! Nothing more! :sleep:

[Jack_]

Most of those things only apply because men are insecure, have bigger egos and need to prove themselves! Nothing more! :sleep:

What a sweeping generalisation, not to mention a lame argument to Grimnir's post.

Quite ironic as well considering sweeping generalisations are something you constantly condemn :sleep:

[brian3]

What a sweeping generalisation, not to mention a lame argument to Grimnir's post.

Quite ironic as well considering sweeping generalisations are something you constantly condemn :sleep:

I agree. A pot kettle sort of thing

[WOMBAI]

What a sweeping generalisation, not to mention a lame argument to Grimnir's post.

Quite ironic as well considering sweeping generalisations are something you constantly condemn :sleep:

Hardly lame - common knowledge men are generally more competitive than women - and that is about egos! Men want to win! Deny that all you like - but it is true!

[arista]

As a nurse that sees plenty of death - that is the biggest load of crap I have heard! :sleep:

I'd love to see men give birth - the human race would be extinct by now - they couldn't cope with the pain! :hugesmile:


For sure.


But it is a Fact that Our Frontline Army
is Men only.

Not a Woman in sight.


Sign Of The Times.

[SoBig]

Hardly lame - common knowledge men are generally more competitive than women - and that is about egos! Men want to win! Deny that all you like - but it is true!
Who doesn't like to win? Being competitive is what makes men great and rule the world. Thats what gives us that extra edge.

Who are the best athletes? Men. Who are the best scientist? Men? Who are the best philosophers? Men. Who are the best politicians? Men. Who are the best musicians? Men. I can go on and on and on.

Whatever the field is, men DOMINATE it.

[Tom]

Who doesn't like to win? Being competitive is what makes men great and rule the world. Thats what gives us that extra edge.

Who are the best athletes? Men. Who are the best scientist? Men? Who are the best philosophers? Men. Who are the best politicians? Men. Who are the best musicians? Men. I can go on and on and on.

Whatever the field is, men DOMINATE it.

Men also dominate what women are supposed to be best at. The best hairdressers, fashion designers, chefs etc are all men

[arista]

Men also dominate what women are supposed to be best at. The best hairdressers, fashion designers, chefs etc are all men


Valid Points Tom.

[WOMBAI]

Who doesn't like to win? Being competitive is what makes men great and rule the world. Thats what gives us that extra edge.

Who are the best athletes? Men. Who are the best scientist? Men? Who are the best philosophers? Men. Who are the best politicians? Men. Who are the best musicians? Men. I can go on and on and on.

Whatever the field is, men DOMINATE it.

You demonstrate a lack of understanding of history and social economics.

Men have dominated those things to date because equality has been a more recent occurence - and women simply weren't able to participate in such things. Even as recently as the 50s, women were actively discouraged from doing anything outside the home - nevermind given the opportunity to study to become scientists, engineers or anything similar that was always considered men's domain! Girls were generally forced to do stupid subjects like needlework and cooking at school!

Times are changing - and those things will change in the future as many more women have careers and begin to compete on the same level as men!

[arista]

Who doesn't like to win? Being competitive is what makes men great and rule the world. Thats what gives us that extra edge.

Who are the best athletes? Men. Who are the best scientist? Men? Who are the best philosophers? Men. Who are the best politicians? Men. Who are the best musicians? Men. I can go on and on and on.

Whatever the field is, men DOMINATE it.



Bang on Right

Stevie Wonder

Marvin Gaye

Jimi Hendrix

Led Zeppelin

[arista]

"Girls were generally forced to do stupid subjects like needlework and cooking at school!"

Nothing Wrong with that.

Harry Enfield did some good sketches on this.

[WOMBAI]

"Girls were generally forced to do stupid subjects like needlework and cooking at school!"

Nothing Wrong with that.

Harry Enfield did some good sketches on this.

Everything wrong with it - if you are forced to do it - when you want to do something else!

That doesn't happen in schools today - girls have the same choices as boys - which is the way it should be! That is why things will change - and in the future there will be many more women scientists, engineers etc.

[brian3]

Hardly lame - common knowledge men are generally more competitive than women

LoL

[arista]

Everything wrong with it - if you are forced to do it - when you want to do something else!

That doesn't happen in schools today - girls have the same choices as boys - which is the way it should be! That is why things will change - and in the future there will be many more women scientists, engineers etc.


If its my place to do it - i would have to Learn it.




Yes I notice how some young girls can not boil a Egg.
Choice has not worked out so good.

So many Fat kids
Not Educated.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/fatsPA_450x350.jpg

[Captain.Remy]

I see it wasn't a stupid question to ask after all :joker:

[Zippy]

Of course they should be treated equally.

Its 2010 not 1867.

[WOMBAI]

If its my place to do it - i would have to Learn it.




Yes I notice how some young girls can not boil a Egg.
Choice has not worked out so good.

So many Fat kids
Not Educated.


Sorry Arista - but that is a stupid post!

People do not have their 'place' - women do not have their 'place' - people make their own choices in life!

Why on earth should intelligent women who are capable of being doctors, lawyers etc be forced into having children and staying at home! What a waste to society! This is a progressive society and we have moved on! It is recognised that women have the same rights to choice as men!

Men are just as able to learn to boil their own eggs - they shouldn't need a woman to do it for them. If they do - they are stupid men who aren't worth bothering with!

And everyone should be educated in health and looking after themselves - that has nothing to do with male/female roles in life!

[Zippy]

Arista is such a plonker on this thread.

There clearly is a human behind those computeristic posts. A sexist one.

[arista]

"Men are just as able to learn to boil their own eggs - they shouldn't need a woman to do it for them."

Of course we Can.

But the point is Girls not learning to cook
has created a Problem.

[arista]

There clearly is a human behind those computeristic posts. A sexist one.



Could be

[Rob]

If its my place to do it - i would have to Learn it.




Yes I notice how some young girls can not boil a Egg.
Choice has not worked out so good.

So many Fat kids
Not Educated.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/fatsPA_450x350.jpg

are you trying to say these are fat?

[MrGaryy]

by that token, a man should be allowed to hit a woman as a woman can hit a man and face no consequences.

i'm not sure by the way, i'm just throwing that out there that equality must apply to all things.

[Zippy]

are you trying to say these are fat?

They are fat.

If youve got rolls of fat at that age then God help you in 10, 20 or 30 years time.

[Scarlett.]

They should have the same opportunites

but wether they should be treated the same? I don't know, they're totally different physically and mentally

[Zippy]

but wether they should be treated the same?

Equally. Not the same.

[WOMBAI]

"Men are just as able to learn to boil their own eggs - they shouldn't need a woman to do it for them."

Of course we Can.

But the point is Girls not learning to cook
has created a Problem.

Why? I know plenty of couples where the man is by far the better cook - and cooks most of the meals - what is wrong with that!

Being female doesn't make you enjoy cooking and it doesn't make you pre-disposed to being good at it! People are generally good at what they enjoy - and if people, including women, don't like cooking - they are less likely to be good at it!

We all have to cook to some degree - it is one of those necessities of life - for men and women alike!

[Rob]

They are fat.

If youve got rolls of fat at that age then God help you in 10, 20 or 30 years time.

Nothing like fat, it's because of comments like that that girls that aren't stick thin have no confidence.

[Vicky.]

by that token, a man should be allowed to hit a woman as a woman can hit a man and face no consequences.

i'm not sure by the way, i'm just throwing that out there that equality must apply to all things.

I do believe in that actually. Always have.

If a woman hits a man or gets aggressive, there is no reason whatsoever for him not to retaliate.

[Vicky.]

Why? I know plenty of couples where the man is by far the better cook - and cooks most of the meals - what is wrong with that!

Being female doesn't make you enjoy cooking and it doesn't make you pre-disposed to being good at it! People are generally good at what they enjoy - and if people, including women, don't like cooking - they are less likely to be good at it!

We all have to cook to some degree - it is one of those necessities of life - for men and women alike!

Thats me and Gav all over :laugh:

He is a great cook...mines not so good. I cook a nice sundays dinner but his cooking is better than mine in general. So much so that he usually cooks all our meals. He told me to get the hell out of the kitchen the other day :p

[arista]

I do believe in that actually. Always have.

If a woman hits a man or gets aggressive, there is no reason whatsoever for him not to retaliate.



Fair Point

[Zippy]

Nothing like fat, it's because of comments like that that girls that aren't stick thin have no confidence.

Well I wouldnt call them fat to their faces.

But technically they are fat. Lets not deny the obvious!

[Jack_]

by that token, a man should be allowed to hit a woman as a woman can hit a man and face no consequences.

That is correct.

[brian3]

All I know is that if you go outside what is considerd a gender role. Wither you be male or female. Then you get ostrisized and made fun of by everyone. (both male and female).

Everyone is as guilty as each other for sexism.

[arista]

Why? I know plenty of couples where the man is by far the better cook - and cooks most of the meals - what is wrong with that!

Being female doesn't make you enjoy cooking and it doesn't make you pre-disposed to being good at it! People are generally good at what they enjoy - and if people, including women, don't like cooking - they are less likely to be good at it!

We all have to cook to some degree - it is one of those necessities of life - for men and women alike!



Of Course


Life In The Fast lane.

[arista]

All I know is that if you go outside what is considerd a gender role. Wither you be male or female. Then you get ostrisized and made fun of by everyone. (both male and female).

Everyone is as guilty as each other for sexism.



Fair Points.

[Scarlett.]

Equally. Not the same.

Fair enough :p but the point still stands, its a bit of a grey area, since men and women are different pyshically and mentally

[WOMBAI]

Fair enough :p but the point still stands, its a bit of a grey area, since men and women are different pyshically and mentally

I really don't see why people keep bringing physical strength into it - because, in reality, it is pretty irrelevant! The reason humans rule the planet and not many physically stronger mammels - is because of their higher intelligence!

Men do not all have the same physical strength - some are much stronger than others. Does that mean they should be treated differently - of course not. Emotional strength is much more relevant - and that is much more a character trait - not a gender one!

[arista]

I really don't see why people keep bringing physical strength into it - because, in reality, it is pretty irrelevant! The reason humans rule the planet and not many physically stronger mammels - is because of their higher intelligence!

Men do not all have the same physical strength - some are much stronger than others. Does that mean they should be treated differently - of course not. Emotional strength is much more relevant - and that is much more a character trait - not a gender one!


Of Course.

[Zippy]

I really don't see why people keep bringing physical strength into it - because, in reality, it is pretty irrelevant!

Well nature did make men physically stronger for a reason. They were intended to be the hunters and providers. Women the nurturers and home-makers.

Of course, we've deviated from that to some extent but the generalisation is still very much there. You don't see many women in physical labour jobs like construction for example.

And in terms of abuse the legal system will certainly take a man hitting a woman far more seriously than vice versa. Purely because men are deemed physically stronger and capable of more damage.

So the physical difference does come into play in all aspects of life. And you certainly still hear many women talking about wanting a big guy who can protect them!

[WOMBAI]

Well nature did make men physically stronger for a reason. They were intended to be the hunters and providers. Women the nurturers and home-makers.

Of course, we've deviated from that to some extent but the generalisation is still very much there. You don't see many women in physical labour jobs like construction for example.

And in terms of abuse the legal system will certainly take a man hitting a woman far more seriously than vice versa. Purely because men are deemed physically stronger and capable of more damage.

So the physical difference does come into play in all aspects of life. And you certainly still hear many women talking about wanting a big guy who can protect them!

Of course I realise why men were created physically stronger - but the reasons for that no longer apply in modern times! We have the intelligence to build machines to do the heavy lifting, for example!

I think it is just common sense that the law takes men hitting women more seriously - given the difference in physical strenth - just as a grown adult, man or woman - shoudn't hit a smaller, physically weaker child! It is far more likely to result in serious physical injury - and cannot be condoned in any way, shape or form - although this doesn't give women license to hit men - assault is assualt - and should be treated accordingly!

And women may feel safer in given situations when with a physically strong man - but that doesn't mean they want or need to be protected per se! But there are always certain types of soppy women - that can't cope without a man - but we certainly shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush!

[Angus]

so after this most profound, lifechanging and most meaningful experience in the world of giving birth, why do so many women in today's society choose career instead of devoting themselves to their family?

Because they can - why shouldn't they FGS? Are you suggesting that men can have it all, but women can't?:laugh: Women need to fulfil their potential and aspirations as much as men do. For some women having children and being a stay at home mum is fulfilling enough, but for others it is not. Not all men have careers, a lot make just enough money to go piss it up the wall at weekends, and some can barely make it to the signing on queue once a fortnight, so don't let's pretend that all men are movers and shakers, because we all know that isn't true:rolleyes:

If you have no valid stereotype for ALL men, don't try imposing one on ALL women.

[30stone]

Quite funny how often women say men couldnt handle pregnancy..
We could.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

waits for

*get back in dat kitchen an make ma dinner betch*

response

[Captain.Remy]

waits for

*get back in dat kitchen an make ma dinner betch*

response

it's "bitch" actually. :wink:

:laugh:

[Angus]

Men also dominate what women are supposed to be best at. The best hairdressers, fashion designers, chefs etc are all men

Historically men have used their aggression and strength to subjugate women and maintain control over them. Is it any wonder that during countless centuries when only men were educated and allowed the freedom to travel and explore, that it is the male sex that has dominated science, literature, art and technology etc. Had women also been afforded the same privileges that men have always had, human beings might have followed a very different evolutionary path and who knows which sex would be the dominant one now, or maybe we would all have been hermaphrodites - truly equal in every possible way! As things stand, there is still one area in which men will never be able to compete.

[brian3]

And women may feel safer in given situations when with a physically strong man - but that doesn't mean they want or need to be protected per se! But there are always certain types of soppy women - that can't cope without a man - but we certainly shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush!


Wombai: "common knowledge men are generally more competitive than women - and that is about egos! Men want to win! Deny that all you like - but it is true!"

What was that you where saying about taring people with the same brush?

[Zippy]

Quite funny how often women say men couldnt handle pregnancy..
We could.

No chance. Men are just not in touch with their internals like women are. The kinds of physical changes and sicknesses associated with pregnancy would be alien to men. And that maternal instinct is something very primal and instinctive in women. Its what gets them through pregnancy.

Men just don't have it. And men actually have quite low pain thresholds compared to women.

[Ninastar]

yaah

[abbey97]

Yes, whats the difference apart from body parts?!

[Angus]

Quite funny how often women say men couldnt handle pregnancy..
We could.

Easy to say when you'll never have to go through it:rolleyes:

[Captain.Remy]

yaah

great deep explanation from our friend Nina. Always helpful. :tongue:

(I'm kidding babe, I like you)

[Captain.Remy]

Easy to say when you'll never have to go through it:rolleyes:

Male Seahorses can do it, so why not us ? :tongue:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

it's "bitch" actually. :wink:

:laugh:

no really, its betch its my new word hunny

[Captain.Remy]

no really, its betch its my new word hunny

talk to the hand, gurl.

[Angus]

Male Seahorses can do it, so why not us ? :tongue:

Well you're a fella, so with that massively superior brain of yours you must be able to come up with a viable method for male procreation.:laugh2:

[Captain.Remy]

Well you're a fella, so with that massively superior brain of yours you must be able to come up with a viable method for male procreation.:laugh2:

I'm sure arista will come out with something. He's always full of ideas and stuff.

But yeah I've got a big brain. But my girlfriend has one too (wait...what ?) AND she's fit. So yeah, it works well. :hugesmile:

[Angus]

I'm sure arista will come out with something. He's always full of ideas and stuff.

But yeah I've got a big brain. But my girlfriend has one too (wait...what ?) AND she's fit. So yeah, it works well. :hugesmile:

Lol! You're sorted then:hugesmile:

[Beastie]

Yes.

[Angus]

Yes.



Short, succint and to the point!:hugesmile:

[Beastie]

Short, succint and to the point!:hugesmile:

That's me Angus ;)

[Angus]

That's me Angus ;)

And there's me been playing the womb card all evening:laugh:

[icecakes]

Sorry all you guys,but women rule men,from cradle to grave.A young boy is ruled by his mother she decides what he wears, how he has his hair cut, etc, etc, when he gets a girlfriend he,s ruled by her,
she decides,when he can go out with his mates,when he can have sex,she makes all the decisions,and he runs around pleasing her.
now when he gets married,he spends the rest of his life keeping the little women happy,if she wants the house decorating,he does it for her,if she wants a new three piece suit ,he gets it for her,and so on and so on.
as for truck driving, and labouring,men are only out there doing it to take money home for the little women,
you men out there will probably disagree,but in you hearts you know its true, women rule men from cradle to grave.

[arista]

Sorry all you guys,but women rule men,from cradle to grave.A young boy is ruled by his mother she decides what he wears, how he has his hair cut, etc, etc, when he gets a girlfriend he,s ruled by her,
she decides,when he can go out with his mates,when he can have sex,she makes all the decisions,and he runs around pleasing her.
now when he gets married,he spends the rest of his life keeping the little women happy,if she wants the house decorating,he does it for her,if she wants a new three piece suit ,he gets it for her,and so on and so on.
as for truck driving, and labouring,men are only out there doing it to take money home for the little women,
you men out there will probably disagree,but in you hearts you know its true, women rule men from cradle to grave.


Meanwhile in the Real World
on the Army Frontline its all Men.
No Woman there.

[Angus]

Meanwhile in the Real World
on the Army Frontline its all Men.
No Woman there.

That's right Arista, women are back home giving birth to sons who will one day grow up and be sent to the frontline!:sad:

[Captain.Remy]

Sorry all you guys,but women rule men,from cradle to grave.A young boy is ruled by his mother she decides what he wears, how he has his hair cut, etc, etc, when he gets a girlfriend he,s ruled by her,
she decides, when he can go out with his mates,when he can have sex,she makes all the decisions,and he runs around pleasing her.
now when he gets married,he spends the rest of his life keeping the little women happy,if she wants the house decorating,he does it for her,if she wants a new three piece suit ,he gets it for her,and so on and so on.
as for truck driving, and labouring,men are only out there doing it to take money home for the little women,
you men out there will probably disagree,but in you hearts you know its true, women rule men from cradle to grave.

Well you must have been in relationships with cowards and lazy morons if they accepted all of the above because honey, not even my parents tell me what to do so it won't start with a girl, as fit as she may be.
The last thing my girlfriend does, is telling what to do. We have enough balls and personality to decide together. A couple is based on compromises. But at some point, it's take it or leave it. Neither the guy or the girl should be a submissive bitch, grow a pair, make your own decisions and stop taking the bullshit.

[icecakes]

only if the women let them go,anyway there,s plenty of women in the forces.there,s women doctors, police officers ,in the military, pilots,etc etc

[Captain.Remy]

only if the women let them go

there is no "if". The guy goes out if he wants to. Period.

Who is she to take some decision for another one ? His girlfriend, not a superior authority which I'm not sure us, men, would even consider.

[bansheewails]

No they Can not.


Like Our Frontline Army Troops are Only Men


Women can not handle that much Death.



Sign Of The Times.


Over 800,000 women served in the Soviet armed forces in World War II; nearly 200,000 of them were decorated and 89 of them eventually received the Soviet Union’s highest award, the Hero of the Soviet Union. They served as pilots, snipers, machine gunners, tank crew members and partisans, as well as in auxiliary roles.[1] Very few of these women, however, were ever promoted to officers.

[icecakes]

there is no "if". The guy goes out if he wants to. Period.

Who is she to take some decision for another one ? His girlfriend, not a superior authority which I'm not sure us, men, would even consider.

All right keep your hair on!!!!dont get so irate ,seem to have hit a nerve there.

[Lucy.]

The arguement about men having more physical strength is completely flawed. Yes some women are too weak, but similarly so are some men. Besides, someone having less physical strength doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated as an equal. What a fail of a comment. :bored:

[SoBig]

Sorry all you guys,but women rule men,from cradle to grave.A young boy is ruled by his mother she decides what he wears, how he has his hair cut, etc, etc, when he gets a girlfriend he,s ruled by her,
she decides,when he can go out with his mates,when he can have sex,she makes all the decisions,and he runs around pleasing her.
now when he gets married,he spends the rest of his life keeping the little women happy,if she wants the house decorating,he does it for her,if she wants a new three piece suit ,he gets it for her,and so on and so on.
as for truck driving, and labouring,men are only out there doing it to take money home for the little women,
you men out there will probably disagree,but in you hearts you know its true, women rule men from cradle to grave.
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/6597/treysongzcmonson.gif

[icecakes]

even clinton had hilary behind him,telling him what to do,

[SoBig]

even clinton had hilary behind him,telling him what to do,
And he was still out there banging other women on her watch. So there goes your argument. :spin:

[icecakes]

And he was still out there banging other women on her watch. So there goes your argument. :spin:

And when he got found out ,he went running off with his tail between hi leg,s
look whoes got the upper hand now hilary:hugesmile:

[WOMBAI]

And when he got found out ,he went running off with his tail between hi leg,s
look whoes got the upper hand now hilary:hugesmile:

Well said! The expression - "behind every great man, there is an even greater woman" doesn't come from nowhere - it is based on fact, like many other expressions!

These days, however, more and more women are not content with being a backseat driver - and want to be in the front seat - we will see a lot more women leaders in the future!

[InOne]

Sorry all you guys,but women rule men,from cradle to grave.A young boy is ruled by his mother she decides what he wears, how he has his hair cut, etc, etc, when he gets a girlfriend he,s ruled by her,
she decides,when he can go out with his mates,when he can have sex,she makes all the decisions,and he runs around pleasing her.
now when he gets married,he spends the rest of his life keeping the little women happy,if she wants the house decorating,he does it for her,if she wants a new three piece suit ,he gets it for her,and so on and so on.
as for truck driving, and labouring,men are only out there doing it to take money home for the little women,
you men out there will probably disagree,but in you hearts you know its true, women rule men from cradle to grave.

Sounds like a load of Feminist bollocks to me dear. Anyone can control anyone, all depends on the personality.

[icecakes]

Sounds like a load of Feminist bollocks to me dear. Anyone can control anyone, all depends on the personality.

Ive seen big burly bouncers acting like 10year olds in front of there mam,s
and god help anyone who says anything bad about her.
men and womem have a symbiotic relationship, beneficial to both,the man is happy if his women is happy,he has a much happier life.:hugesmile:

[InOne]

Ive seen big burly bouncers acting like 10year olds in front of there mam,s
and god help anyone who says anything bad about her.
men and womem have a symbiotic relationship, beneficial to both,the man is happy if his women is happy,he has a much happier life.:hugesmile:

Well in your view lol

[icecakes]

Well said! The expression - "behind every great man, there is an even greater woman" doesn't come from nowhere - it is based on fact, like many other expressions!

These days, however, more and more women are not content with being a backseat driver - and want to be in the front seat - we will see a lot more women leaders in the future!

Thanks wombi,im sure we will see a lot more women leaders in the future,:hugesmile:

[Mystic Mock]

Ive seen big burly bouncers acting like 10year olds in front of there mam,s
and god help anyone who says anything bad about her.
men and womem have a symbiotic relationship, beneficial to both,the man is happy if his women is happy,he has a much happier life.:hugesmile:

well im an exception to the rule then.:xyxwave:

[icecakes]

well im an exception to the rule then.:xyxwave:

why,s that

[Shasown]

why,s that

Could be because he doesnt have a woman and unless he undertakes a major shift in attitude is unlikely to ever have one either.

[InOne]

icecakes, can you explain to me why women often remain in abusive relationships? Is it love or what?

[icecakes]

icecakes, can you explain to me why women often remain in abusive relationships? Is it love or what?

good point inone,its usually when the women has no loving family behind her,nowhere to go,or she would leave,so she tells herself,he will change,he always feels sorry after he hits me.:shocked:

[icecakes]

Could be because he doesnt have a woman and unless he undertakes a major shift in attitude is unlikely to ever have one either.

:joker:

[InOne]

good point inone,its usually when the women has no loving family behind her,nowhere to go,or she would leave,so she tells herself,he will change,he always feels sorry after he hits me.:shocked:

So emotional manipulation basically? But sometimes it gets to a point where they don't even pretend to be sorry, they just do it and carry on as normal. They must've completely broken the women down by then. But there is always somewhere to go, especially if kids are involved.

[WOMBAI]

icecakes, can you explain to me why women often remain in abusive relationships? Is it love or what?

Several reasons - sometimes they are idiots who like violent, aggressive men, sometimes they are simply too scared, but for the most part it is economics - many stay at home mums with young children would find it very hard to cope financially - which is why young women today, who have any sense at all, should acquire a good education and skills - and never make themselves totally dependent on a man - as relationships go wrong all the time - noone knows what the future holds! Skill up girls - and you will never have to tolerate such behaviour!

[InOne]

Several reasons - sometimes they are idiots who like violent, aggressive men, sometimes they are simply too scared, but for the most part it is economics - many stay at home mums with young children would find it very hard to cope financially - which is why young women today, who have any sense at all, should acquire a good education and skills - and never make themselves totally dependent on a man - as relationships go wrong all the time - noone knows what the future holds! Skill up girls - and you will never have to tolerate such behaviour!

So I guess you're not too fond of this underclass of girls who's only aim in life is to get pregnant, get the house and benefits ect. Sadly it's happening more often these days. I know what you mean about women who like 'The bad boy', seems a good idea at the time for a bit of fun, then they end up left alone with 3 kids who'll never know their dad.

[Shasown]

icecakes, can you explain to me why women often remain in abusive relationships? Is it love or what?

Its not only women who are abused in domestic relationships, and often men stay in an abusive relationship just like women do.

[icecakes]

So emotional manipulation basically? But sometimes it gets to a point where they don't even pretend to be sorry, they just do it and carry on as normal. They must've completely broken the women down by then. But there is always somewhere to go, especially if kids are involved.

there is places ,for battered women,but the kids usually love him, they dont understand,its there home, with there things,friends,school etc,many women will stick it out for the kids sake.

[InOne]

Its not only women who are abused in domestic relationships, and often men stay in an abusive relationship just like women do.

Yeah I know, a lot of it is unreported I guess. I'd say men might be quite embarrassed if you get me even though it might happen a lot, there is still stigma for men in that department. I know full well women can be just as abusive and volitile.

[InOne]

there is places ,for battered women,but the kids usually love him, they dont understand,its there home, with there things,friends,school etc,many women will stick it out for the kids sake.

Yes but surely once the kids reach a certain age they gonna realise what type of man their father is? And they will ask questions and often suffer abuse themselves.

[WOMBAI]

So I guess you're not too fond of this underclass of girls who's only aim in life is to get pregnant, get the house and benefits ect. Sadly it's happening more often these days. I know what you mean about women who like 'The bad boy', seems a good idea at the time for a bit of fun, then they end up left alone with 3 kids who'll never know their dad.

I don't think 'underclass' is the right word - as often such girls have come from very disadvantaged backgrounds through no choice of their own - but I do think that girls should have learned by now that education is the key to power as well as a comfortable life - and we all get access to education in Britain! They should rely on themselves and not on a man! If you rely on someone else - you remain vulnerable, fact of life!

And let's not forget that for every irresponsible young mother - there is an irresponsible father somewhere - and both should be judged accordingly! One is no better than the other!

[Smithy]

Wombai why do you keep deleting your posts?

[InOne]

I don't think 'underclass' is the right word - as often such girls have come from very disadvantaged backgrounds through no choice of their own - but I do think that girls should have learned by now that education is the key to power as well as a comfortable life - and we all get access to education in Britain! They should rely on themselves and not on a man! If you rely on someone else - you remain vulnerable, fact of life!

And let's not forget that for every irresponisble young mother - there is an irresponsble father somewhere - and both should be judged accordingly! One is no better than the other!

That Underclass does exist though, not saying it's just full of young mothers lol

Yeah obviously they are both as bad as eachother, I'm not one who is bothered about the nuclear family, but kids having kids for the sake of having kids will get this country nowhere. And don't see how it can be solved at the moment

[icecakes]

Yes but surely once the kids reach a certain age they gonna realise what type of man their father is? And they will ask questions and often suffer abuse themselves.

they dont usually abuse the kids,and what he does to the women ,is all kept secret, because deep down they are cowards.

[InOne]

they dont usually abuse the kids,and what he does to the women ,is all kept secret, because deep down they are cowards.

They do usually abuse the kids, that is the thing. And you think the kids wouldn't notice constant arguing and violence? That is abuse in itself.

[Shasown]

Fear of failure of the relationship, moving on, the unknown, hope that the person they fell in love with will resurface, hope they can change the person or the person will change themselves. Its very rarely about love,

Love is just the excuse to avoid moving out and on.

[icecakes]

They do usually abuse the kids, that is the thing. And you think the kids wouldn't notice constant arguing and violence? That is abuse in itself.

they usually do it in secret,anyway, every battered wife should be sent round a big bouncer to sort him out,[break his legs maybe]

[Shasown]

Wombai why do you keep deleting your posts?

Fear of the unknown, not wanting to move on past 10,000.

Its such a lovely number.

[InOne]

Fear of failure of the relationship, moving on, the unknown, hope that the person they fell in love with will resurface, hope they can change the person or the person will change themselves. Its very rarely about love,

Love is just the excuse to avoid moving out and on.

Yeah that is true. If a relationship becomes like than then obviously the love (if any) was lost a long time ago.

[Shasown]

they usually do it in secret,anyway, every battered wife should be sent round a big bouncer to sort him out,[break his legs maybe]

What about battered husbands, what should they have to sort out the wife?

[InOne]

they usually do it in secret,anyway, every battered wife should be sent round a big bouncer to sort him out,[break his legs maybe]

Hmmm, bit of an odd way to solve it, do you have a thing for bouncers? :tongue:

[Ninastar]

great deep explanation from our friend Nina. Always helpful. :tongue:

(I'm kidding babe, I like you)

thanks :')

[icecakes]

Fear of failure of the relationship, moving on, the unknown, hope that the person they fell in love with will resurface, hope they can change the person or the person will change themselves. Its very rarely about love,

Love is just the excuse to avoid moving out and on.

Your so good at expressing things.

[Shasown]

Your so good at expressing things.

Been there with this particular subject, so I have a little inside knowledge.

[icecakes]

what about battered husbands, what should they have to sort out the wife?

chuff me dizzy, sounds capable

[Shasown]

chuff me dizzy, sounds capable

Violence in this sort of case solves nothing. Only resentment and further violence.

Maybe Wombai and Chuff should be sent round to the abusive husbands who then have to listen to them for a few days.

[WOMBAI]

Seems to me there are some very dippy girls on this forum whose heads are full on nothing but romance, even those of strangers on a tv show, and are very likely candidates for finding themselves in such an undesirable position! Everything is pink and fluffy in their world - not realistic! We need to educate some girls in life skills!

[WOMBAI]

Violence in this sort of case solves nothing. Only resentment and further violence.

Maybe Wombai and Chuff should be sent round to the abusive husbands who then have to listen to them for a few days.

Stating the obvious doesn't always make you popular! I can live with that!

[Shasown]

Seems to me there are some very dippy girls on this forum whose heads are full on nothing but romance, even those of strangers on a tv show, and are very likely candidates for finding themselves in such an undesirable position! Everything is pink and fluffy in their world - not realistic! We need to educate some girls in life skills!

Good idea.

They say the way to a mans heart is through the stomach.







A six inch bread knife is more than adequate if you angle it correctly.(Bet you thought I meant cookery lessons).

[Mystic Mock]

Could be because he doesnt have a woman and unless he undertakes a major shift in attitude is unlikely to ever have one either.

:cheer2:

[SoBig]

And when he got found out ,he went running off with his tail between hi leg,s
look whoes got the upper hand now hilary:hugesmile:
Hardly. His biggest fear was losing his job as president and being known as a cheater. Hilary is very much replaceable. Like every other woman out there. Make no mistake about that. :devil:

[WOMBAI]

Hardly. His biggest fear was losing his job as president and being known as a cheater. Hilary is very much replaceable. Like every other woman out there. Make no mistake about that. :devil:

Men are equally replaceable - make no mistake about that!

As I already mentioned - and educated woman makes her own rules and is answerable to noone!

[Scarlett.]

As I already mentioned - and educated woman makes her own rules and is answerable to noone!

Shame there isn't many of them around then


Oooooooooooooooooooooh burned :shocked:

[Mystic Mock]

bitch fight between chewy and wombai.

[Scarlett.]

lol xD

[WOMBAI]

bitch fight between chewy and wombai.

As he made such a ridiculous remark - as universities, including my own, are full of women - it wasn't worth responding to! :hugesmile:

[Scarlett.]

As an 'educated woman' you should realise I was joking and it wasn't a serious remark :p

[BB_Eye]

Fear of failure of the relationship, moving on, the unknown, hope that the person they fell in love with will resurface, hope they can change the person or the person will change themselves. Its very rarely about love,

Love is just the excuse to avoid moving out and on.
I think if you've been in a loveless relationship, from the POV of the person taking the abuse, the experience of leaving them can be more therapeutic than lonely. The truth is, for all that time you were with them, you were alone anyway.

[brian3]

Well said! The expression - "behind every great man, there is an even greater woman" doesn't come from nowhere - it is based on fact, like many other expressions!

These days, however, more and more women are not content with being a backseat driver - and want to be in the front seat - we will see a lot more women leaders in the future!

and of course everyone loved Thatcher

[WOMBAI]

and of course everyone loved Thatcher

Of course everyone loved Blair, Brown and Cameron! Your point?

If you want to be popular - you don't go into politics!

[housemate]

Men are equally replaceable - make no mistake about that!

As I already mentioned - and educated woman makes her own rules and is answerable to noone!

......'and educated women makes her own rules' Looks like you just ruled yourself out then, hoist by your own petard ... lol! Who the heck is noone anyway ... is that who you are answerable to? If you meant 'no one' .. well, that explains alot about your philosophy And your posts!

[InOne]

Everyone is answerable to someone and nobody can make their own rules.

[WOMBAI]

......'and educated women makes her own rules' Looks like you just ruled yourself out then, hoist by your own petard ... lol! Who the heck is noone anyway ... is that who you are answerable to? If you meant 'no one' .. well, that explains alot about your philosophy And your posts!

Oh a typo - what a disgrace! I have noticed plenty of grammatical errors in your offerings - so wouldn't be so patronising if I were you!

[WOMBAI]

Everyone is answerable to someone and nobody can make their own rules.

I meant within the confines of a relationship! A woman with a decent job that pays a decent salary - is free to make her own rules about what sort of behaviour she will tolerate from a partner! She never has to fear - not being able to pay the bills or provide for her children - if she has to walk away!

[InOne]

I meant within the confines of a relationship! A woman with a decent job that pays a decent salary - is free to make her own rules about what sort of behaviour she will tolerate from a partner! She never has to fear - not being able to pay the bills or provide for her children - if she has to walk away!

That is all well and good, but you're forgetting she has emotions. It's not as simple as you're making it out to be.

[WOMBAI]

That is all well and good, but you're forgetting she has emotions. It's not as simple as you're making it out to be.

That depends!

You asked the question earlier - why do women put up with abusive partners - and I am just stating why it is in women's best interests to put themselves in a position where they won't have to! At least that way - they will have more choices!

[InOne]

That depends!

You asked the question earlier - why do women put up with abusive partners - and I am just stating why it is in women's best interests to put themselves in a position where they won't have to! At least that way - they will have more choices!

Yeah definitely, but you seem to think just because they are intelligent they wouldn't let their emotions get the better of them. It happens to people in all situations and from all walks of life.

[WOMBAI]

Yeah definitely, but you seem to think just because they are intelligent they wouldn't let their emotions get the better of them. It happens to people in all situations and from all walks of life.

Of course - we all have emotions - just sometimes, for our own sanity and that of others, we have to rise above them!

[InOne]

Of course - we all have emotions - just sometimes, for our own sanity and that of others, we have to rise above them!

Indeed indeed.

[Shasown]

Of course - we all have emotions - just sometimes, for our own sanity and that of others, we have to rise above them!

Though thats not always as easy as it sounds.

If only life was that simple. A lot less wars and strife in general if everyone could arise above their emotions.

[Angus]

Yeah definitely, but you seem to think just because they are intelligent they wouldn't let their emotions get the better of them. It happens to people in all situations and from all walks of life.

You're spot on there - I was in an abusive marriage for 10 years and yet had always considered myself a very strong, independent and intelligent woman. The abuse was insiduous at first, isolating me from my friends and family bit by bit, moving us away from familiar surroundings where I had a support network, then the verbal abuse, putting me down, insinuating that I was stupid or had no valid opinions, then the emotional and psychological abuse, undermining my self worth and self respect, telling me I was a rubbish mother, wife, daughter, sister etc, keeping me short of housekeeping since I was financially dependent on him having two small children both under 5 years old and no viable means of income, and culminating in physical abuse where I was punched, kicked and finally (the defining moment for me) having a knife held to my throat and telling me he was going to kill me. Many times I forgave him because I knew he had had a dreadful upbringing, having been abandoned by his own mother when he was five, and I made all sorts of excuses for why he was bullying me. But I finally accepted that he could not and would not ever change, and I started to fear for my children rather than myself. The knife incident made me realise just how poisonous our relationship was, and what danger me and my kids were in.

So finally I gathered the last remnants of my dignity and out of sheer self preservation I removed myself and my children from that situation and we went to a shelter from where I gathered the strength to divorce him and move on with my life.

Unless you have been a victim of such a manipulative and psychopathic bully, you cannot believe how difficult it is to get away - he threatened to kill me and the children if we ever left him, and to harm my brothers and their families if I went to them for sanctuary. I spent five years with no contact at all with the rest of my family because I was afraid of what he might do to them. I was also so ashamed that I had brought this monster into all of our lives. I spent years looking over my shoulder and we moved quite frequently so he wouldn't find us. It's only now my sons are grown that I no longer fear him, and I am now happy with someone else.

They do say that what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger and I would definitely agree. Just don't judge all women in abusive relationships as being weak or stupid, because I am neither, and I'm here to say it could happen to anyone from any cultural, financial, or educational background. There as many upper class battered women as there are working class ones, so don't be too quick to blame the victim.

[InOne]

You're spot on there - I was in an abusive marriage for 10 years and yet had always considered myself a very strong, independent and intelligent woman. The abuse was insiduous at first, isolating me from my friends and family bit by bit, moving us away from familiar surroundings where I had a support network, then the verbal abuse, putting me down, insinuating that I was stupid or had no valid opinions, then the emotional and psychological abuse, undermining my self worth and self respect, telling me I was a rubbish mother, wife, daughter, sister etc, keeping me short of housekeeping since I was financially dependent on him having two small children both under 5 years old and no viable means of income, and culminating in physical abuse where I was punched, kicked and finally (the defining moment for me) having a knife held to my throat and telling me he was going to kill me. Many times I forgave him because I knew he had had a dreadful upbringing, having been abandoned by his own mother when he was five, and I made all sorts of excuses for why he was bullying me. But I finally accepted that he could not and would not ever change, and I started to fear for my children rather than myself. The knife incident made me realise just how poisonous our relationship was, and what danger me and my kids were in.

So finally I gathered the last remnants of my dignity and out of sheer self preservation I removed myself and my children from that situation and we went to a shelter from where I gathered the strength to divorce him and move on with my life.

Unless you have been a victim of such a manipulative and psychopathic bully, you cannot believe how difficult it is to get away - he threatened to kill me and the children if we ever left him, and to harm my brothers and their families if I went to them for sanctuary. I spent five years with no contact at all with the rest of my family because I was afraid of what he might do to them. I was also so ashamed that I had brought this monster into all of our lives. I spent years looking over my shoulder and we moved quite frequently so he wouldn't find us. It's only now my sons are grown that I no longer fear him, and I am now happy with someone else.

They do say that what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger and I would definitely agree. Just don't judge all women in abusive relationships as being weak or stupid, because I am neither, and I'm here to say it could happen to anyone from any cultural, financial, or educational background. There as many upper class battered women as there are working class ones, so don't be too quick to blame the victim.

Awwww damn, sounds like you hard a rough time :(. It's good you managed to get out in the end though. Yours seems like an almost textbook case. Start off as Mr Charming and then all these little things build up until it eventually grinds you down. That is the thing with whole whole 'bad upbringing' thing, people use that as an excuse, but in reality, plenty of people have bad childhoods and still turn out to be nice people.

I read an interesting book called 'Without Conscience' about Psychopaths and the way they work, I can only imagine it must've been terrible to live with such a destructive person in your life. I mean, from the outside, people can easily say, "Oh well I would've got out there a lot earlier". But like you said, unless they've been in that situation they will never understand the power someone like that can have over you. I mean I guess it's better late than never in your case, as in it happened all so subtly, that you didn't realise it until it was nearly too late. Most people don't think these type of people exist, they think they're a myth or something, and they're like "Oh well it wouldn't happen to me" But it's all very real.

[Mystic Mock]

You're spot on there - I was in an abusive marriage for 10 years and yet had always considered myself a very strong, independent and intelligent woman. The abuse was insiduous at first, isolating me from my friends and family bit by bit, moving us away from familiar surroundings where I had a support network, then the verbal abuse, putting me down, insinuating that I was stupid or had no valid opinions, then the emotional and psychological abuse, undermining my self worth and self respect, telling me I was a rubbish mother, wife, daughter, sister etc, keeping me short of housekeeping since I was financially dependent on him having two small children both under 5 years old and no viable means of income, and culminating in physical abuse where I was punched, kicked and finally (the defining moment for me) having a knife held to my throat and telling me he was going to kill me. Many times I forgave him because I knew he had had a dreadful upbringing, having been abandoned by his own mother when he was five, and I made all sorts of excuses for why he was bullying me. But I finally accepted that he could not and would not ever change, and I started to fear for my children rather than myself. The knife incident made me realise just how poisonous our relationship was, and what danger me and my kids were in.

So finally I gathered the last remnants of my dignity and out of sheer self preservation I removed myself and my children from that situation and we went to a shelter from where I gathered the strength to divorce him and move on with my life.

Unless you have been a victim of such a manipulative and psychopathic bully, you cannot believe how difficult it is to get away - he threatened to kill me and the children if we ever left him, and to harm my brothers and their families if I went to them for sanctuary. I spent five years with no contact at all with the rest of my family because I was afraid of what he might do to them. I was also so ashamed that I had brought this monster into all of our lives. I spent years looking over my shoulder and we moved quite frequently so he wouldn't find us. It's only now my sons are grown that I no longer fear him, and I am now happy with someone else.

They do say that what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger and I would definitely agree. Just don't judge all women in abusive relationships as being weak or stupid, because I am neither, and I'm here to say it could happen to anyone from any cultural, financial, or educational background. There as many upper class battered women as there are working class ones, so don't be too quick to blame the victim.

im so sorry that happened to you.

[Angus]

Awwww damn, sounds like you hard a rough time :(. It's good you managed to get out in the end though. Yours seems like an almost textbook case. Start off as Mr Charming and then all these little things build up until it eventually grinds you down. That is the thing with whole whole 'bad upbringing' thing, people use that as an excuse, but in reality, plenty of people have bad childhoods and still turn out to be nice people.

I read an interesting book called 'Without Conscience' about Psychopaths and the way they work, I can only imagine it must've been terrible to live with such a destructive person in your life. I mean, from the outside, people can easily say, "Oh well I would've got out there a lot earlier". But like you said, unless they've been in that situation they will never understand the power someone like that can have over you. I mean I guess it's better late than never in your case, as in it happened all so subtly, that you didn't realise it until it was nearly too late. Most people don't think these type of people exist, they think they're a myth or something, and they're like "Oh well it wouldn't happen to me" But it's all very real.


I'll have a read of that book if I can get a copy because it does seem abusers all seem to use the same modus operandi: divide and conquer - separate and dominate. The key thing is cutting your victim off from any outside support.

I just look upon it now as a bad part of my life that is all in the past - and at the end of the day something good came out of the marriage - my children. The fact I can talk about those events so dispassionately just shows how far I've come:blush: It's almost like they happened to someone else.

[Angus]

im so sorry that happened to you.

Aw, thanks - it's all in the past now:blush:

[InOne]

I'll have a read of that book if I can get a copy because it does seem abusers all seem to use the same modus operandi: divide and conquer - separate and dominate. The key thing is cutting your victim off from any outside support.

I just look upon it now as a bad part of my life that is all in the past - and at the end of the day something good came out of the marriage - my children. The fact I can talk about those events so dispassionately just shows how far I've come:blush: It's almost like they happened to someone else.

That book if definitely worth a read. It's by Robert Hare. And yeah it's good you're able to look at that as a bad part of your life. Some aren't so lucky really, they dwell and it's ends up eating them inside, they just can't understand how someone is capable of those sort of actions without seeming remotely sorry.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Without-Conscience-Disturbing-World-Psychopaths/dp/1572304510/ref=pd_ts_b_1?ie=UTF8&s=books

There is that book, a few reviews too.

[Mystic Mock]

i think husbands and wives that abuse there partner are sad *****s.

[Angus]

That book if definitely worth a read. It's by Robert Hare. And yeah it's good you're able to look at that as a bad part of your life. Some aren't so lucky really, they dwell and it's ends up eating them inside, they just can't understand how someone is capable of those sort of actions without seeming remotely sorry.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Without-Conscience-Disturbing-World-Psychopaths/dp/1572304510/ref=pd_ts_b_1?ie=UTF8&s=books

There is that book, a few reviews too.

Thanks, have ordered it! Got to say that it was that experience that inspired me to study psychology, an endlessly fascinating subject. I don't see the point of dwelling on events that can't be changed, as there's nothing to gain from being bitter and twisted, life is way too short.

[InOne]

Thanks, have ordered it! Got to say that it was that experience that inspired me to study psychology, an endlessly fascinating subject. I don't see the point of dwelling on events that can't be changed, as there's nothing to gain from being bitter and twisted, life is way too short.

Yeah, I'm pretty fascinated by the human mind and stuff. Let me know what you think when you've read it!

[Angus]

Yeah, I'm pretty fascinated by the human mind and stuff. Let me know what you think when you've read it!

Will do:blush:

[icecakes]

You're spot on there - I was in an abusive marriage for 10 years and yet had always considered myself a very strong, independent and intelligent woman. The abuse was insiduous at first, isolating me from my friends and family bit by bit, moving us away from familiar surroundings where I had a support network, then the verbal abuse, putting me down, insinuating that I was stupid or had no valid opinions, then the emotional and psychological abuse, undermining my self worth and self respect, telling me I was a rubbish mother, wife, daughter, sister etc, keeping me short of housekeeping since I was financially dependent on him having two small children both under 5 years old and no viable means of income, and culminating in physical abuse where I was punched, kicked and finally (the defining moment for me) having a knife held to my throat and telling me he was going to kill me. Many times I forgave him because I knew he had had a dreadful upbringing, having been abandoned by his own mother when he was five, and I made all sorts of excuses for why he was bullying me. But I finally accepted that he could not and would not ever change, and I started to fear for my children rather than myself. The knife incident made me realise just how poisonous our relationship was, and what danger me and my kids were in.

So finally I gathered the last remnants of my dignity and out of sheer self preservation I removed myself and my children from that situation and we went to a shelter from where I gathered the strength to divorce him and move on with my life.

Unless you have been a victim of such a manipulative and psychopathic bully, you cannot believe how difficult it is to get away - he threatened to kill me and the children if we ever left him, and to harm my brothers and their families if I went to them for sanctuary. I spent five years with no contact at all with the rest of my family because I was afraid of what he might do to them. I was also so ashamed that I had brought this monster into all of our lives. I spent years looking over my shoulder and we moved quite frequently so he wouldn't find us. It's only now my sons are grown that I no longer fear him, and I am now happy with someone else.

They do say that what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger and I would definitely agree. Just don't judge all women in abusive relationships as being weak or stupid, because I am neither, and I'm here to say it could happen to anyone from any cultural, financial, or educational background. There as many upper class battered women as there are working class ones, so don't be too quick to blame the victim.My god angus your story was so moving,your a remarkable woman,to go through all that,and come out the other side,you deserve all the happiness in the world,you should be so proud of yourself.:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[Angus]

My god angus your story was so moving,your a remarkable woman,to go through all that,and come out the other side,you deserve all the happiness in the world,you should be so proud of yourself.:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

Oh, I'm fine now - when I look back it seems like it all happened to someone else. Bringing the boys up on my own was hard but so very rewarding and they've turned out absolutely fine with no discernible hangups! I guess when you have kids, you don't have time for self pity:hugesmile: The day to day routine thankfully was a relief and so comforting after all those years of walking on eggshells! No-one should ever knock good old boring normality!

[icecakes]

and of course everyone loved Thatcher

She got to be prime minister, pretty good considering she,s just a women and all, what have you achieved

[sooty]

Angus, you are very brave.

I am so pleased you found someone make you happy now.

[icecakes]

Oh, I'm fine now - when I look back it seems like it all happened to someone else. Bringing the boys up on my own was hard but so very rewarding and they've turned out absolutely fine with no discernible hangups! I guess when you have kids, you don't have time for self pity:hugesmile: The day to day routine thankfully was a relief and so comforting after all those years of walking on eggshells! No-one should ever knock good old boring normality!

Im so glad ,I hope your boys realise what a wonderful mum they have,

[Angus]

Angus, you are very brave.

I am so pleased you found someone make you happy now.

Thanks - I sort of surprised myself by being able to post it like that which which was really only in response to comments on here as to why some women stay in abusive relationships. I hope people will realise that leaving is not as easy or clearcut as it looks from the outside.

[Angus]

Im so glad ,I hope your boys realise what a wonderful mum they have,

Oh I'm the lucky one - they've grown up into sons to be proud of, so something wonderful came out of it all.:blush:

[keithafc]

No. Not imo anyway.

[WOMBAI]

No. Not imo anyway.

Why not, elaborate - or are you just sexist - with no logical reason of explanation!

[brian3]

Want I dont get is the fact that women often complain that if a man sleeps around it is ok. But if a woman sleeps around she is a slut. but yet it is women who are the most nasty about women who sleep around. A bit like complaining that you are allergic to chicken. Then going to work at KFC.

[WOMBAI]

Want I dont get is the fact that women often complain that if a man sleeps around it is ok. But if a woman sleeps around she is a slut. but yet it is women who are the most nasty about women who sleep around. A bit like complaining that you are allergic to chicken. Then going to work at KFC.

Which is something I have said on many occasions!

Unfortunately many women are their own worst enemies! Although let's not forget that men created the double standard - whilst some women are stupid enough to reinforce it! Some are simply too easily influenced by male opinions - particularly when young and naive! When older women do it - it is usually bitchiness!

[Lee.]

You're spot on there - I was in an abusive marriage for 10 years and yet had always considered myself a very strong, independent and intelligent woman. The abuse was insiduous at first, isolating me from my friends and family bit by bit, moving us away from familiar surroundings where I had a support network, then the verbal abuse, putting me down, insinuating that I was stupid or had no valid opinions, then the emotional and psychological abuse, undermining my self worth and self respect, telling me I was a rubbish mother, wife, daughter, sister etc, keeping me short of housekeeping since I was financially dependent on him having two small children both under 5 years old and no viable means of income, and culminating in physical abuse where I was punched, kicked and finally (the defining moment for me) having a knife held to my throat and telling me he was going to kill me. Many times I forgave him because I knew he had had a dreadful upbringing, having been abandoned by his own mother when he was five, and I made all sorts of excuses for why he was bullying me. But I finally accepted that he could not and would not ever change, and I started to fear for my children rather than myself. The knife incident made me realise just how poisonous our relationship was, and what danger me and my kids were in.

So finally I gathered the last remnants of my dignity and out of sheer self preservation I removed myself and my children from that situation and we went to a shelter from where I gathered the strength to divorce him and move on with my life.

Unless you have been a victim of such a manipulative and psychopathic bully, you cannot believe how difficult it is to get away - he threatened to kill me and the children if we ever left him, and to harm my brothers and their families if I went to them for sanctuary. I spent five years with no contact at all with the rest of my family because I was afraid of what he might do to them. I was also so ashamed that I had brought this monster into all of our lives. I spent years looking over my shoulder and we moved quite frequently so he wouldn't find us. It's only now my sons are grown that I no longer fear him, and I am now happy with someone else.

They do say that what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger and I would definitely agree. Just don't judge all women in abusive relationships as being weak or stupid, because I am neither, and I'm here to say it could happen to anyone from any cultural, financial, or educational background. There as many upper class battered women as there are working class ones, so don't be too quick to blame the victim.

Aw Angus :hug:
My father was an abusive, cowardly, drunk.. My mother took us away from him when we were very young and the council wanted to house us in one of the most god awful areas.. My mum wouldn't have it and borrowed some money from my Grandma and bought a dilapitated big house and literally worked her fingers to the bone doing it up (I remember her standing helping the builders mix cement lol) and opening her own bed and breakfast.. From there she got into buying, doing up and selling property and ensured my sister and I had a fantastic childhood and a good upbringing.. We have wanted for nothing (not to the point of being spoilt) and I owe my mum so much.. So yeah, my dad may have been physically stronger, but mentally and emotionally, she's definitely the strong one like yourself Angus :D

[Lee.]

Oh and to answer the OP's original question: Of course both sexes sgould be treated equally, but I do think that in general men are the stronger sex physically and women are stronger mentally.I realise that there will be exceptions to this but in general I believe it to be true.

[Niamh.]

You're spot on there - I was in an abusive marriage for 10 years and yet had always considered myself a very strong, independent and intelligent woman. The abuse was insiduous at first, isolating me from my friends and family bit by bit, moving us away from familiar surroundings where I had a support network, then the verbal abuse, putting me down, insinuating that I was stupid or had no valid opinions, then the emotional and psychological abuse, undermining my self worth and self respect, telling me I was a rubbish mother, wife, daughter, sister etc, keeping me short of housekeeping since I was financially dependent on him having two small children both under 5 years old and no viable means of income, and culminating in physical abuse where I was punched, kicked and finally (the defining moment for me) having a knife held to my throat and telling me he was going to kill me. Many times I forgave him because I knew he had had a dreadful upbringing, having been abandoned by his own mother when he was five, and I made all sorts of excuses for why he was bullying me. But I finally accepted that he could not and would not ever change, and I started to fear for my children rather than myself. The knife incident made me realise just how poisonous our relationship was, and what danger me and my kids were in.

So finally I gathered the last remnants of my dignity and out of sheer self preservation I removed myself and my children from that situation and we went to a shelter from where I gathered the strength to divorce him and move on with my life.

Unless you have been a victim of such a manipulative and psychopathic bully, you cannot believe how difficult it is to get away - he threatened to kill me and the children if we ever left him, and to harm my brothers and their families if I went to them for sanctuary. I spent five years with no contact at all with the rest of my family because I was afraid of what he might do to them. I was also so ashamed that I had brought this monster into all of our lives. I spent years looking over my shoulder and we moved quite frequently so he wouldn't find us. It's only now my sons are grown that I no longer fear him, and I am now happy with someone else.

They do say that what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger and I would definitely agree. Just don't judge all women in abusive relationships as being weak or stupid, because I am neither, and I'm here to say it could happen to anyone from any cultural, financial, or educational background. There as many upper class battered women as there are working class ones, so don't be too quick to blame the victim.

OMG angus:shocked: I'm so sorry to hear that but atleast it's a success story and as you say "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" . It must have taken so much courageous for you to get yourself and your children out of that situation. I was in a situation, not any where near as bad as yours mind you, but these kind of people all seem to do the same things, isolate you from your support network and break you down so that all your confidence and faith in yourself is gone and it's unbelievably hard to try and get that back again.

Thanks for sharing that story, it was inspiring :hug:

[fruit_cake]

it seems to me that $$$$$$ is the most important factor, poor men and poor women have a lot more in common than rich women and poor women and visa versa IMO