Stephen Fry shocks feminists by claiming women don't really like sex

[BB_Eye]

It seems Stephen Fry's longtime involvement with Twitter is turning him into an IRL troll. :shocked:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/31/stephen-fry-sex-women-relationships-attitude

[fruit_cake]

lol... obviously we just don't like sex with him

[BB_Eye]

I know Stephen Fry has discovered the joys of annoying people in recent times, but even this seems unlike him.

I don't see it myself. Sometimes the reverse can be true. If Fry had been in the closet, he would probably have had to feign interest in whoever he would end up marrying. That's how keeping up a pretence works. I figured he might know a thing or two about this, but apparently not.

[arista]

Its a Joke.

He has been taken out of context.


Women Love Hot Sex.

[Zippy]

I love Stephen Fry but he's really in no position to speak for straight men or women. I know many females who absolutely love sex.

As for his point about cruising; has he not heard of dogging? Then theres internet hook up sites for cheap sex that are full of slags looking for lots of anon sex.

Really, Stephen, you should get out more. And update your thinking.

[arista]

He has confirmed this morning
it was a Joke.

[ElProximo]

It seems Stephen Fry's longtime involvement with Twitter is turning him into an IRL troll. :shocked:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/31/stephen-fry-sex-women-relationships-attitude

And seriously this really does give an insight into where homosexuality can be coming from.
I have no doubt that he had a terrible and awkward and unsuccessful time trying to please a woman (and assume she was English and x that 100),
and/or
more than that itself is what kind of:
-expectations (maybe even instilled by a sudden media-hyped sex culture of his youth (60s, 70s)
- what he, in his own mind, believed about himself (confidence, esteem etc) and maybe what he 'projected' into the women.

Even though I do think there are different 'programs' for male and female sexuality (men may be more the constant where women more a cycle) I would actually agree with a feminist for once:
- Women really CAN have sex anytime they want,
and,
- Oh yes they do. Plenty. Initiated and done often.

Anyways, a lot of this is only shocking to those who have never really hung about with gay crowds (no jokes here.. i mean plain non-sexual socializing) because realistically you hear the most outrageous, vicious, vile, spiteful contempt about women among many a gay.

I can never forget a time when I was (at least to some degree) 'accepted' in a gay circle.
(once again, resist the obvious jokes and no I did not 'go gay'),
but,
in this one case there was 2 women, myself and then a majority of gays. The women eventually left.
Holy EFF - I heard about 1 hour straight of the most horrifying 'anti-women' jokes (if you can call them jokes?) that honestly in my entire life I would never even imagined!
I mean I almost wanted to vomit and I thought I'd heard all the crude jokes! Until then.
but it did quickly degenerate into the most thinly veiled sheer hatred. I mean almost 'scary contempt' for females.

Anyways... thats a long story just to say we ought not be too surprised and interestingly this may say more about him than anything else.

[Scarlett.]

Apparently his quote was taken out of context

[BB_Eye]

He has confirmed this morning
it was a Joke.
Maybe so, but you forget many feminists were tragically born without a sense of humour so it's not like this is just gonna end, lol.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he is just pissed off that only 1.5% of the UK is gay and half of that small number are women. he is also a woman hater and it shows.

[Niamh.]

Why do any women (feminist or not) even care whether he thinks we enjoy sex or not?

[Pyramid*]

Why do any women (feminist or not) even care whether he thinks we enjoy sex or not?

Because the man offers up such a commet without ever being able to validate it - he is neither a woman, or straight, therefore he is not in a postion to make such an ascertation.

and now his ignorance and arrogance as been challenged, he once again, tries to deride people with the old classic of, "I was joking, I was not being serious" tactic.

He was being serious and was therefore challenged on his comment. He couldn't back his comment up with any validation, therefore he then turns tail and pretends he was joking - now inferring that women can't take a jokie.

The man is indeed a misogynist in my opinion. worse than that, he doesn't have the balls to at least admit that. If he did, I'd actually have more respect for him.

His arrogance knows no bounds.

[fruit_cake]

if he were confident in what he was saying he wouldn't back down, what a creep. No woman in their right mind would want sex with him anyway

[fruit_cake]

And seriously this really does give an insight into where homosexuality can be coming from.
I have no doubt that he had a terrible and awkward and unsuccessful time trying to please a woman (and assume she was English and x that 100),
and/or
more than that itself is what kind of:
-expectations (maybe even instilled by a sudden media-hyped sex culture of his youth (60s, 70s)
- what he, in his own mind, believed about himself (confidence, esteem etc) and maybe what he 'projected' into the women.

Even though I do think there are different 'programs' for male and female sexuality (men may be more the constant where women more a cycle) I would actually agree with a feminist for once:
- Women really CAN have sex anytime they want,
and,
- Oh yes they do. Plenty. Initiated and done often.

Anyways, a lot of this is only shocking to those who have never really hung about with gay crowds (no jokes here.. i mean plain non-sexual socializing) because realistically you hear the most outrageous, vicious, vile, spiteful contempt about women among many a gay.

I can never forget a time when I was (at least to some degree) 'accepted' in a gay circle.
(once again, resist the obvious jokes and no I did not 'go gay'),
but,
in this one case there was 2 women, myself and then a majority of gays. The women eventually left.
Holy EFF - I heard about 1 hour straight of the most horrifying 'anti-women' jokes (if you can call them jokes?) that honestly in my entire life I would never even imagined!
I mean I almost wanted to vomit and I thought I'd heard all the crude jokes! Until then.
but it did quickly degenerate into the most thinly veiled sheer hatred. I mean almost 'scary contempt' for females.

Anyways... thats a long story just to say we ought not be too surprised and interestingly this may say more about him than anything else.

I wonder if you got something you wanna share with us Mr Proximo???? :joker:

[BB_Eye]

Because the man offers up such a commet without ever being able to validate it - he is neither a woman, or straight, therefore he is not in a postion to make such an ascertation.

and now his ignorance and arrogance as been challenged, he once again, tries to deride people with the old classic of, "I was joking, I was not being serious" tactic.

He was being serious and was therefore challenged on his comment. He couldn't back his comment up with any validation, therefore he then turns tail and pretends he was joking - now inferring that women can't take a jokie.

The man is indeed a misogynist in my opinion. worse than that, he doesn't have the balls to at least admit that. If he did, I'd actually have more respect for him.

His arrogance knows no bounds.
Oh come on, it was a throwaway comment, joking or not. Intellectuals have been racking their brains over the difference between men and women for centuries. I could just as easily say you are homophobic for saying Fry isn't qualified to have an opinion on the matter, but I won't, because that would be silly and I'm not that easily offended. :-/

[Pyramid*]

Oh come on, it was a throwaway comment, joking or not. Intellectuals have been racking their brains over the difference between men and women for centuries. I could just as easily say you are homophobic for saying Fry isn't qualified to have an opinion on the matter, but I won't, because that would be silly and I'm not that easily offended. :-/

Oh I think you will find it was more than a 'throwaway comment'. Infact, it was diatribe. Not only that, the then continued to state that women were lying if they said the said they enjoyed sex.



‘If women liked sex as much as men, there would be straight cruising areas in the way there are gay cruising areas,’ he said.
‘Women would go and hang around in churchyards thinking, “God, I’ve got to get my ******* rocks

It doesn’t happen. Why? Because the only women you can have sex with like that wish to be paid for it.’

Fry, who hosts BBC quiz QI, added: ‘I feel sorry for straight men.
'The only reason women will have sex with them is that sex is the price they are willing to pay for a relationship with a man, which is what they want.

‘Of course, a lot of women will deny this and say, “Oh no, but I love sex, I love it!” But do they go around having it the way that gay men do?’




Of course he is unqualified to comment. He is not a woman, he has no idea what a woman experiences during sex or what pleasure a woman can experience.

When he is able to do that, I'll more than welcome his ability to comment. Until then, he should shut mouth.. He also should not be castigating straight men as he also managed to do in his 'throwaway comment'. Nice touch Fry - insult straight males as well as females. The man is a buffoon.

[Benjamin]

He has confirmed this morning
it was a Joke.



This.


People need to lighten up.

[Pyramid*]

This.


People need to lighten up.

Is that an order or an opinion?

We are all entitled to our opinion without being told to 'lighten up'.

the old 'Its a joke' excuse is always pulled out of the hat when people realise they have overstepped the mark. Always.

[Benjamin]

Is that an order or an opinion?

We are all entitled to our opinion without being told to 'lighten up'.


Somebody is on one! It was an opinion that people need to lighten up and not take it so seriously. :)

[Pyramid*]

Somebody is on one! It was an opinion that people need to lighten up and not take it so seriously. :)

I'm not 'one on'. Not at all. I'm simply validating my right to be able to say that what I did earlir, and to be able to say that without being told to 'lighten up'.

What you might find amusing, I dont.

Differing opinions are to be expected but personally, I find the comment, "Some people need to lighten up" as being pretty disrespectful as it is effectively dismissing my right to give my opinion. :blush:

[Niamh.]

Because the man offers up such a commet without ever being able to validate it - he is neither a woman, or straight, therefore he is not in a postion to make such an ascertation.

and now his ignorance and arrogance as been challenged, he once again, tries to deride people with the old classic of, "I was joking, I was not being serious" tactic.

He was being serious and was therefore challenged on his comment. He couldn't back his comment up with any validation, therefore he then turns tail and pretends he was joking - now inferring that women can't take a jokie.

The man is indeed a misogynist in my opinion. worse than that, he doesn't have the balls to at least admit that. If he did, I'd actually have more respect for him.

His arrogance knows no bounds.

I agree with your points but I still stand by mine, I just really don't care whether Stephen Fry thinks I enjoy sex or not!

[Pyramid*]

I agree with your points but I still stand by mine, I just really don't care whether Stephen Fry thinks I enjoy sex or not!

Agreed! though I do hope you do enjoy....much fun to be had!! :)

[Niamh.]

Agreed! though I do hope you do enjoy....much fun to be had!! :)

absolutely!:wink:

[Shaun]

I think this is more of a throwaway comparison - he's pointing out there's no stereotypical view of women lurking around looking for sex - like there is amongst the gay community.

However I wouldn't associate this with the enjoyment of sex. Just the availability and promiscuity of it.

I do wish Attitude would bugger off. They're so in-your-face about homosexuality that they're practically trying to enforce segregation.

[Livia]

People need to lighten up.

Agreed.

Stephen Fry has always poked fun at all kinds of stuff. Seems a bit reactionary to pick one bit out that he's already said was taken out of context, and get all riled up about it.

[Dr.Gonzo]

He's good at stirring the pot whether he's joking or not. But I'm guessing he's joking and if he isn't it doesn't really matter. He's not the authority on it, you know, like, he's gay and all so possibly slightly biased and uneducated on the matter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he also forgets that women would feel vulnerable in parks etc as they are the weaker sex

he really did not think it through

[fruit_cake]

I agree with your points but I still stand by mine, I just really don't care whether Stephen Fry thinks I enjoy sex or not!

this.. well said Naimh

[Livia]

he also forgets that women would feel vulnerable in parks etc as they are the weaker sex


Doesn't the saying go, if you think women are the weaker sex, try getting the duvet off one at 3am.

I'm surprised this has caused so much discussion considering some of the excrutiatingly tasteless things I hear some "comedians" say on TV that hardly cause a ripple. I think it's just fashionable to have a pop at Mr Fry.

[Niamh.]

He's good at stirring the pot whether he's joking or not. But I'm guessing he's joking and if he isn't it doesn't really matter. He's not the authority on it, you know, like, he's gay and all so possibly slightly biased and uneducated on the matter.

Gonzo!!:love:

[Dr.Gonzo]

Gonzo!!:love:

:cat:

You! Anomnom.

[Niamh.]

:cat:

You! Anomnom.

I missed you:bawling: where have you been hiding?

[Pyramid*]

he also forgets that women would feel vulnerable in parks etc as they are the weaker sex

he really did not think it through

Aye. Right!!! :hugesmile::hugesmile::hugesmile:

You've not heard of dogging then I take it...... where do you think that takes place, in Aunty Isobell's driveway?

Lots of places that woman can randomly 'pick up men' for a good old fashioned bit of hard sex... hang around a few kebab shops at about 3.30am and you'll see what I mean.

[letmein]

The clip is out there of him saying the exact same thing two years ago, and he is DEFINITELY NOT JOKING! He's doing damage control, plain and simple. A gay man passing himself off to be a expert on the female anatomy. Oh, the irony!

[Ericthegreat]

Stephen fry is absolutely right. The problem is political correctness and social engineering from men being able to say it and women admitting it.

For this reason we r poofters.

[Mystic Mock]

so every woman gets raped eventrully and every guy is a rapist?:joker: ive heard some **** before but come on.:joker:

[letmein]

he also forgets that women would feel vulnerable in parks etc as they are the weaker sex

he really did not think it through

Women are the weaker sex? What is this, 1950??!

[cub]

He's good at stirring the pot whether he's joking or not. But I'm guessing he's joking and if he isn't it doesn't really matter. He's not the authority on it, you know, like, he's gay and all so possibly slightly biased and uneducated on the matter.

That's a rather bigoted view. I don't think he's uneducated on anything and his sexuality has no bearing on having opinions on heterosexual matters.

There are lots of opinions on here about gay people by straight people. Why not the other way round?

[lostalex]

This thread is ridiculous. Especially the homophobic comments about how gay men "hate" women?? you must be kidding.

Pull up the statistics about violence against women.... I think you'll find out who really hates women, and it's not GAY men.

It's STR8 men that beat the holy crap out of women, abuse them, molest them, rape them and kill them. It's not gay men that hate women. Look at the facts plzzzz.

...And to all those saying because he's gay, he knows nothing about heterosexual relationships, again, that's crazy.

Gay men know more about str8 relationships than heterosexuals, because we see BOTH sides from an honest perspective. Gay men hang out with str8 men, and hear them speak about women when no women are around, AND we hang around women, and hear women talking about men when no str8 men are around, so really gay men DO know more about hetero relationships than hetero's themselves, cause we see BOTH sides uncensored!