Was Matt a deserving Winner?

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[ILoveTRW]

Afraid not, all he can do is scream.

[Ross]

There's no point being bitter all the three finalists would have been deserving.

[Smithy]

More deserving than most of the others, except Rebecca :/

[Adamw92]

Probably based on Weeks 1-8 but not for the past 2 weeks, he was god awful all through this weekend

[Zippy]

Matts been dull past two weeks and his vocals out of tune.

Liked him at first but he got worse. Rebecca grew as a performer.

[Mystic Mock]

even though i would have prefered an aiden or paije victory,i still think matt is a very good winner.

[ILoveTRW]

The only reason why he won was because he went first in every round over this weekend, its no coincidence that each act to be eliminated went last.

[Vladimir]

More deserving than most of the others, except Rebecca :/

this.
i still love his version of 'baby one more time'. <3

[Mystic Mock]

The only reason why he won was because he went first in every round over this weekend, its no coincidence that each act to be eliminated went last.

actually being on 1st is worse because his performance wasnt as fresh in the publics mind.

[Vladimir]

oh, and 'unfaithful' with rihanna was epic <3

[Stevep]

The last couple of weeks he has been terrible but im guessing that was down to him being ill. The 8 weeks before that he was for by far the best contestant on the show and his win is fully deserved imo.

Rebecca in all honesty has never impressed me all that much, her best performance by a distance was sweet dreams tonight, the first time she really has impressed me.

[Braden]

I congratulate him. But I know that Cher,OD, Rebecca and him are going to be successful.

Matt would of been the least successful without the win imho. But, I can't complain. It was a great series.

[ILoveTRW]

actually being on 1st is worse because his performance wasnt as fresh in the publics mind.

No smart arse it isn't a disadvantage because the phone lines were open from the start of the show, which makes it an advantage.

[Jords]

Yepp, Rebecca would have been a better winner though, he started to slip whereas she got better and better.

[Ninastar]

Yes

[Mystic Mock]

No smart arse it isn't a disadvantage because the phone lines were open from the start of the show, which makes it an advantage.

ermm your wrong as they both had similar fanbases anyway so one direction and rebecca were in the driving seat.

people just have to except matt did exceptionally well,i also think biffa cole cost rebecca the win.:hugesmile:

[Mystic Mock]

Yepp, Rebecca would have been a better winner though, he started to slip whereas she got better and better.

more like rebecca got worse and worse.:whistle:

[Tom4784]

No, he has a boring plain voice and has to resort to endless high notes to keep attention. Like the fireworks he sang about tonight he's a flash in the pan and it won't be long until he whimpers back into the obscurity from whence he came.

He won out of sympathy really. He got outmatched by the other two acts today but he limped onto victory because he's female voters were all 'OMG HE'S SO FIT LYKE OMG!!!!!'.

[Pyramid*]

Oh yes... deserved it.

Mind you... I'd have said the same if Rebecca had won - both of them deserved to be placed as highly as they were.

[Z]

He deserved to win, I think he's gone downhill since week 8 but he was ill in week 9 and I think the nerves of the final weekend shook him which is understandable, but he's a good singer, you can't fault him for that. I find him very boring and I'd put money on him flopping but he did deserve to win. Rebecca and indeed One Direction would have also made deserving winners.

[Stacey.]

Yep, he's great. And he's never really had a bad performance the whole way through.

[Mystic Mock]

No, he has a boring plain voice and has to resort to endless high notes to keep attention. Like the fireworks he sang about tonight he's a flash in the pan and it won't be long until he whimpers back into the obscurity from whence he came.

He won out of sympathy really. He got outmatched by the other two acts today but he limped onto victory because he's female voters were all 'OMG HE'S SO FIT LYKE OMG!!!!!'.

one direction couldnt out do matt if matt was turned into a strangled cat.:joker:

[Jords]

more like rebecca got worse and worse.:whistle:

My ass.

[nanaimo]

he did deserve to win, the two most talented were there, but counting the days now for the wonderful album rebecca will release :)

[fruit_cake]

probably best Rebecca didn't win.. Matt reached his peak, whereas there's more to come from Rebecca I think

[Kerry]

Yep. He could sing the phonebook and make it sound great

[Kazanne]

Yes,most of us know he was good,but just because he was unwell and didn't sing 'good' enough according to some,some people didn't like him,for me he was the best even when he was ill,as NONE of them were perfect,Good luck to him and the others

[Tom4784]

one direction couldnt out do matt if matt was turned into a strangled cat.:joker:

He was halfway there tonight, he was rough as ****.

[Kazanne]

No, he has a boring plain voice and has to resort to endless high notes to keep attention. Like the fireworks he sang about tonight he's a flash in the pan and it won't be long until he whimpers back into the obscurity from whence he came.

He won out of sympathy really. He got outmatched by the other two acts today but he limped onto victory because he's female voters were all 'OMG HE'S SO FIT LYKE OMG!!!!!'.

Well obviously thousands of people disagree with you,:xyxwave:

[Tom4784]

Well obviously thousands of people disagree with you,:xyxwave:

Most of them are probably girls, I quote from facebook statuses 'He's so fit YUMMMMMMM' 'Matt 2 win' 'HE'S GORJUS!' It's that casual vote that won it for him. The women though he was a bit of all right so he won. Not saying anyone on here thinks like that but I'm willing to bet my house the votes played out like that.

[Pyramid*]

Most of them are probably girls, I quote from facebook statuses 'He's so fit YUMMMMMMM' 'Matt 2 win' 'HE'S GORJUS!' It's that casual vote that won it for him. The women though he was a bit of all right so he won. Not saying anyone on here thinks like that but I'm willing to bet my house the votes played out like that.

It doesn't matter how the votes panned out. The man won. At least be gracious enough to give him credit where it's due.

He won fair and square.

[Kazanne]

Most of them are probably girls, I quote from facebook statuses 'He's so fit YUMMMMMMM' 'Matt 2 win' 'HE'S GORJUS!' It's that casual vote that won it for him. The women though he was a bit of all right so he won. Not saying anyone on here thinks like that but I'm willing to bet my house the votes played out like that.

Well I want his babies,does that count?(JOKE):joker:

[Vicky.]

He won out of sympathy really. He got outmatched by the other two acts today but he limped onto victory because he's female voters were all 'OMG HE'S SO FIT LYKE OMG!!!!!'.

Never knew you were like this :joker:

So..if people only voted because they fancy him, is it also fair to say that those who dislike him are just jealous of his 'good looks'?

Swings both ways you know ;)

[Maia]

Yep, definitely. One of my favourite winners of The X Factor, if not my favourite. He totally deserved it.

[Jayson]

Yes. As would have been Rebecca had she won.

[Pyramid*]

Yes. As would have been Rebecca had she won.

Exactly. Neither of them would have been placed as the final two if they didn't deserve it.

Finally, the public got a chance to decide, and they had 2 very good people to chose from.

[Vicky.]

Exactly. Neither of them would have been placed as the final two if they didn't deserve it.

Finally, the public got a chance to decide, and they had 2 very good people to chose from.

The first time since the start that the pulic have actually got a say.

Would actually have been quite happy with any of the three winning :')

[Tom4784]

Never knew you were like this :joker:

So..if people only voted because they fancy him, is it also fair to say that those who dislike him are just jealous of his 'good looks'?

Swings both ways you know ;)

Like what exactly? Just because I don't think he's Jesus Reincarnate doesn't mean I'm jealous. Also if you read my post after that you'd have seen I said I wasn't accusing anyone on tibb of it, only the casual voters. So before you start biting at me read my posts in future please.

[bbfan1991]

One word.. YES:)

[cub]

Of course he was a deserving winner. He got the most votes - therefore the winner.

Shame for Rebecca, but she can plow her own path without the hassle of the comeback X Factor album that Joe has had to endure. She could do a Olly Murs - as could One Direction.

You don't have to win to be successful. Olly, JLS, etc.

[Shaun]

oh lawd, 'jealous' has been used.

-waits for 'hypocrite', 'overrated' and 'fix' to be used-

[Z]

Never knew you were like this :joker:

So..if people only voted because they fancy him, is it also fair to say that those who dislike him are just jealous of his 'good looks'?

Swings both ways you know ;)

Why does it always descend into this? It's perfectly possible to point out the reasons behind someone's popularity without being jealous of them.

[Vicky.]

Like what exactly? Just because I don't think he's Jesus Reincarnate doesn't mean I'm jealous. Also if you read my post after that you'd have seen I said I wasn't accusing anyone on tibb of it, only the casual voters. So before you start biting at me read my posts in future please.

LOL. Just find it bloody hilarious that as soon as a (imo) average looking male wins, its automatically down to the female vote. Dont remember anyone saying that when alexandra (IMO stunning) won...but nevermind.

Double standards are rife in the world :D

[Pyramid*]

Like what exactly? Just because I don't think he's Jesus Reincarnate doesn't mean I'm jealous. Also if you read my post after that you'd have seen I said I wasn't accusing anyone on tibb of it, only the casual voters. So before you start biting at me read my posts in future please.

Unbelievably bitter, and completely incensed - that's exactly how you appear to be coming across.

Do you have some direct personal involvment in the show and who the winner is: you seem to have some real anger going on. It's a show. It's not the end of the world.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

your all overrated hypocritical messes. fix.

[Vicky.]

Why does it always descend into this? It's perfectly possible to point out the reasons behind someone's popularity without being jealous of them.

I didnt mean everyone who dislikes him is jealous at all. But surely it makes sense, if its ok to pigeonhole people who voted for him into voting 'coz hes fit loik' ;)

[Tom4784]

LOL. Just find it bloody hilarious that as soon as a (imo) average looking male wins, its automatically down to the female vote. Dont remember anyone saying that when alexandra (IMO stunning) won...but nevermind.

Double standards are rife in the world :D

It's because male voters are a minority in reality shows, anyone can tell you that. Most of the time it's women who have the majority vote.

[Shaun]

your all overrated hypocritical messes. fix.

pmsl :love:

[Kazanne]

Never knew you were like this :joker:

So..if people only voted because they fancy him, is it also fair to say that those who dislike him are just jealous of his 'good looks'?

Swings both ways you know ;)

i have to say Vixen, i was surprised too

[Tom4784]

Unbelievably bitter, and completely incensed - that's exactly how you appear to be coming across.

Do you have some direct personal involvment in the show and who the winner is: you seem to have some real anger going on. It's a show. It's not the end of the world.

You're the one getting personal my friend. I've not accused anyone on this site of voting for him because of his looks yet I'm being branded as bitter & jealous just because my views aren't with the majority. Deal with it.

[Pyramid*]

It's because male voters are a minority in reality shows, anyone can tell you that. Most of the time it's women who have the majority vote.

So what. The same could be said of a great majority of reality / entertainment shows.

That's the way the cookie crumbles. The man won, through votes - the public (regardless of which section), but the majority of the public watching the show who partook in voting: voted for him to win.

You don't think he deserved it, you're clearly in the minority.

[Z]

I didnt mean everyone who dislikes him is jealous at all. But surely it makes sense, if its ok to pigeonhole people who voted for him into voting 'coz hes fit loik' ;)

But I wasn't even talking about like/dislike, just from a very neutral point of view, some of Matt's popularity derives from sex appeal - why does pointing that out make someone jealous? I've never understood this. -backs away from thread-

[Vicky.]

It's because male voters are a minority in reality shows, anyone can tell you that. Most of the time it's women who have the majority vote.

Oh, so when women win, its just because the women have forgotten to vote for the 'fitties' then :')

[Vicky.]

But I wasn't even talking about like/dislike, just from a very neutral point of view, some of Matt's popularity derives from sex appeal - why does pointing that out make someone jealous? I've never understood this. -backs away from thread-

Some, fair enough. Some sad housewives will vote based on him being fit...even though personally I dont see it myself, but each to their own I guess.

Just really really dislike it when its made out like the majority vote based on looks.

[Pyramid*]

You're the one getting personal my friend. I've not accused anyone on this site of voting for him because of his looks yet I'm being branded as bitter & jealous just because my views aren't with the majority. Deal with it.

Okay, you are telling me you are dicussing things reasonably, calmly and not displaying any signs of being bitter or angry about the final results?

I doubt it.

Oh, I'm not being personal, I'm giving my opinion on your comments and how your comments are being read. You personally may not be bitter, but that is how your posts are coming across: loud and clear.

[Tom4784]

Oh, so when women win, its just because the women have forgotten to vote for the 'fitties' then :')

Well the only times they've won is when they've been against considerably less talented people or because of a well done duet. If the voting was equal then surely Candy Rain from last year would have done better then they did as they were good looking girls but since women are the majority voters they never stood much of a chance.

[Tom4784]

Okay, you are telling me you are dicussing things reasonably, calmly and not displaying any signs of being bitter or angry about the final results?

I doubt it.

Oh, I'm not being personal, I'm giving my opinion on your comments and how your comments are being read. You personally may not be bitter, but that is how your posts are coming across: loud and clear.

Please I've always argued my points why Matt was undeserving loud and clear and I've given him credit too, I could repeat them hear but I'd only get called bitter again because my opinion goes against yours so what's the point?

[Pyramid*]

Please I've always argued my points why Matt was undeserving loud and clear and I've given him credit too, I could repeat them hear but I'd only get called bitter again because my opinion goes against yours so what's the point?


You seriously don't think you aren't going completely overboard on this? Seriously?

It's a show. The man won. It's over.

[Z]

Some, fair enough. Some sad housewives will vote based on him being fit...even though personally I dont see it myself, but each to their own I guess.

Just really really dislike it when its made out like the majority vote based on looks.

I'd say good looks aid talent; in the same way it aided One Direction - but looking at how well Matt did in the votes every single week, it's obvious that his talent was what took him so far, I just think it's silly to get into arguments about jealousy when it's just a natural thing that good looks will endear contestants to people who find them attractive.

[Kazanne]

But I wasn't even talking about like/dislike, just from a very neutral point of view, some of Matt's popularity derives from sex appeal - why does pointing that out make someone jealous? I've never understood this. -backs away from thread-

Isn't it the same thing when say Rhianna and Christina are liked because of their bodies ,and men are commenting on boobs etc,isn't their popularity derived from sex appeal,

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Oh, so when women win, its just because the women have forgotten to vote for the 'fitties' then :')

woman need to win more often

all the men flop

LMFAOPMSLOSDGHDPAJG0ID

[Pyramid*]

I'd say good looks aid talent; in the same way it aided One Direction - but looking at how well Matt did in the votes every single week, it's obvious that his talent was what took him so far, I just think it's silly to get into arguments about jealousy when it's just a natural thing that good looks will endear contestants to people who find them attractive.

What a pleasure to read a well balanced post based on fact and not 'opinion' (whether for or against Matt).

[Tom4784]

You seriously don't think you aren't going completely overboard on this? Seriously?

It's a show. The man won. It's over.

I'm not i'm discusiing this calmly and reasonably, you're the one trying to paint me as some sort of raving lunatic instead of trying to take on my very valid points head one.

[Novo]

woman need to win more often

all the men flop

LMFAOPMSLOSDGHDPAJG0ID

Because all the women lose interest in them once they aren't on TV every week

I went there :shocked:

[Pyramid*]

I'm not i'm discusiing this calmly and reasonably, you're the one trying to paint me as some sort of raving lunatic instead of trying to take on my very valid points head one.

I don't have to paint you as anything. I think I'm most likely that I am not alone in thinking that you are taking this all a wee bit to heart.

Feel free to vent of course, but I certainly don't think your posts sounds as though you are calm or reasonable about it all. You seem to simply not be able to accept that the man won fair and square. That's the very valid point you seem to be missing I'm afraid.

[Niamh.]

The only reason why he won was because he went first in every round over this weekend, its no coincidence that each act to be eliminated went last.

that is nothing to do with it, last year Joe sang last and won the year before Alexandra sang last and won, he topped the votes every week bar one, he was just more popular

[ElProximo]

I'm not i'm discusiing this calmly and reasonably, you're the one trying to paint me as some sort of raving lunatic instead of trying to take on my very valid points head one.

You do make reasonable criticisms. Matt does struggle in sustained low notes. He hasn't found a unique sound and needs one as his natural voice quality is 'plain' as you said.
It is also true he is great with ballads but not so hot when it comes to rock and roll/pop.

The 'irrational' part seems to come along when we ask 'compared to what'?
Compared to Celine Dion?
Compared to Michael Buble?
Compared to what a flawless singer ought to sound like?
More importantly here is - compared to what other contestants?

Matt's 'flaws' were still better than most any other contestants bests.
Matt's weaker 'low note' was still a much better low note than (for example) Cher's best low note.
Matt's slight struggle with rock and roll was still sung levels beyond Katie's best Rock and Roll performance.
and so on....

Even here it becomes the overall comparison. Matt's strengths were very strong and heavily outweighed his weaknesses. This cannot be said for other performers who (for example) maybe could sustain a low note better than Matt but did not come close to him on (example) high-notes.

The question isn't whether or not Matt is the perfect singer in the UK or world today and therefore deserving of this.
The question is "was Matt the best in this competition" and yes he was.

Having said that - I still LOVE Rebecca and I don't consider there to be a huge gap between those two.
Mary is another.

But justice was served and here is the thing with Matt - he CAN improve his slightly weak areas.
(and he does not have to do rock and roll either).

[MeMyselfAndI]

Yeah, very consistent and good.
Although Gamu, Aiden, TreyC and Cher were my faves. Matt was next and very deserving

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not i'm discusiing this calmly and reasonably, you're the one trying to paint me as some sort of raving lunatic instead of trying to take on my very valid points head one.

coming from somebody that had matt as there 3rd favourite this year,i do think your posts come across quite bitter about matt? did he do something to you in the past?:joker:

[Captain.Remy]

Obviously yes yes and YES.

He was unbelievable from day 1 to now. He took revenge for Rhydian and Olly.

[Kazanne]

I don't have to paint you as anything. I think I'm most likely that I am not alone in thinking that you are taking this all a wee bit to heart.

Feel free to vent of course, but I certainly don't think your posts sounds as though you are calm or reasonable about it all. You seem to simply not be able to accept that the man won fair and square. That's the very valid point you seem to be missing I'm afraid.

You are not,I was somewhat surprised at some of the comments from what I thought was a very level headed person,funny how we perceive people.

[joeysteele]

We all have our favourites and in a show like this we will like maybe a fair few of the acts and not just one act. We may even support more than one act too with our votes.

The point made as to being on first being a disadvantage(made by jesus christ/jedward fever) is a very valid one, as even Simon states singing first can put you at a disadvantage as people forget the performance sometimes.

The main point is that not only has Matt won but it would appear he has been the front runner for all the series,always being in the first 2 placings each week. That must be a record in itself.

He is therefore a very worthy winner and he is also a good winner too, he has an incredidble vocal range and his recordings and concerts will be extremely good. It appears in fact that only Rebecca could have likely ever maybe just had a chance to win this but the others were always either rather low in votes or out the running from day 1.

Well done to Dannii too, she got some stick for giving him female stars songs to sing but as he has been in the first 2 placings and in first place for most weeks in the series,then her choices clearly struck well with the public, she has done a superb job on Matt,she is the only judge/mentor to ever get the winner and runner up in the same final and she now has this win with Matt.

Well deserved to both her and Matt and if I was ever on X Factor I would want Dannii as my mentor.
Matt simply in this series, wiped the floor with all the competition,that cannot be taken away from him, like him or not.

[Niamh.]

It's because male voters are a minority in reality shows, anyone can tell you that. Most of the time it's women who have the majority vote.

From what I've heard both on here and in real life, Matt has plenty of male fans too

[fruit_cake]

I thought Matt was the most consistent performer so yes he deserved to win.

[Ryan57]

Most definitely.

How anybody can say he didn't is just ridiculous.

[robb]

So what. The same could be said of a great majority of reality / entertainment shows.

That's the way the cookie crumbles. The man won, through votes - the public (regardless of which section), but the majority of the public watching the show who partook in voting: voted for him to win.

You don't think he deserved it, you're clearly in the minority.

IF I'M BEING HONEST, HE PROBABALY EDGED IT OVERALL ..........because of hie early performances, rather than what he did in the last 2 or 3 weeks. And he had an advantage with 6 in the top 40 Rihanna being in his corner. The fact that the gap to Rebecca came down from 15% to less than 6% in the final says it all.......

[reece(:]

He was a good winner, there said i liked all three finalists however Rebecca would have been a great winner