HS2 - UK New Railway Plan starts work this year 2017

[arista]

HS2 UK New Railway has to be Built
Great Fight
Live on Ch4News just Now.


Our Railways were built 100 years ago or so.
1854 infact.

Even if you say the Cost is to much.

New Railways have to be built
there is no other way.

Video now gone

Report then the Fight in the Studio.
Ch4News 28/7/11.

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/06/london-birmingham-hs2-rail-link

http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16144165

HS2 looks like its going ahead.
Which makes sense
2026 is a date some have given for its completion

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/10/hs2-rail-project-green-light

Yes Now they go ahead.
Works to start after legal problems are dealt with.

[fruit_cake]

All that money for a half hour saving? It seems a little bit unreasonable to me.

[arista]

All that money for a half hour saving? It seems a little bit unreasonable to me.



Thats not the only reason
its the Future Railway Line
which is needed for our future



Both Conservative & Labour want this Future

[Marc]

It's such a good idea, it really is. But it's the classic argument of planning vs. environmental sensitivity.

I personally am pro the trainline

EDIT: You'd think they would search for an option that doesn't negatively impact people's properties eg. spliting that man's land in half

[fruit_cake]

Thats not the only reason
its the Future Railway Line
which is needed for our future



Both Conservative & Labour want this Future

why is it needed? The railways are the biggest rip-off I've ever come across. I can't imagine this making them any cheaper. I wish there would be more investment in cleaner and more efficient cars personally.

[Scarlett.]

why is it needed? The railways are the biggest rip-off I've ever come across. I can't imagine this making them any cheaper. I wish there would be more investment in cleaner and more efficient cars personally.

Faster freight? Less dependance on planes for cross country travel? UK railway lines are pathetically behind the times compared with the rest of the world.

[Scarlett.]

It's such a good idea, it really is. But it's the classic argument of planning vs. environmental sensitivity.

I personally am pro the trainline

EDIT: You'd think they would search for an option that doesn't negatively impact people's properties eg. spliting that man's land in half

Similar issues will have existed when trains and paved roads arrived, its just one of them things

[MTVN]

I think it's a good idea, screw the environmentalists

[Angus]

No pain, no gain. Time is money. Is progress supposed to come to a shuddering halt and be thwarted because of its fleeting impact on a minority of people? Utilitarianism is the principle here - the greatest good for the greatest number.

[fruit_cake]

all of this to gain half an hour? it's madness imo

[Scarlett.]

30 minutes, for now, high speed rail is about futureproofing our rail system, our current lines have been around for over 100 years and are rather limiting us now

[arista]

30 minutes, for now, high speed rail is about futureproofing our rail system, our current lines have been around for over 100 years and are rather limiting us now


Yes New Railway is needed
Its our Future it will be done.

[arista]

We get to hear the Phase 2 route in the next hour
but nothing is being built , yet
thats wrong

http://news.sky.com/story/1043666/hs2-route-set-to-spark-backlash


2026
is a long way away

[Nedusa]

This is long overdue, a much needed plan to modernise and update our railway infrastructure with new high speed lines. Because it requires new track it will not be popular with the environmentalists and the nimby's who will argue it it too expensive and unecessary. It will cause a lot of disruption to the countryside with many compulsory purchase orders of the land where the new tracks are going to be.

But remember this we had to go through this process back in the nineteenth century when the railways were first built and that must have been far more severe and disruptive , but that was needed for the country to industrialise. So how can anyone realistically argue against this much needed update to our railway infrastructure .

The new lines will not be ready until 2030 in any case and by then they will be absolutely vital without new lines like these we could end up as the laughing stock of Europe (in railway terms) ...assuming we are not that already !!!

[Marc]

Good good

[arista]

Good good


Thats Spirit Marc




Feel The Force

[Shaun]

Similar issues will have existed when trains and paved roads arrived, its just one of them things

there wasn't quite the awareness of environmental damage when roads were built, was there? ;)

and lol @ "screw the environmentalists"... just...don't need to say anything really.

[Jake.]

Good stuff

[Marc]

there wasn't quite the awareness of environmental damage when roads were built, was there? ;)

and lol @ "screw the environmentalists"... just...don't need to say anything really.

but you just did :suspect:

[Smithy]

I was watching this on the news and thought it was a good idea but then it said it wouldn't be ready till 2033 :|

[arista]

I was watching this on the news and thought it was a good idea but then it said it wouldn't be ready till 2033 :|


Maybe that including the Full Rail up north.


The 2026 is still there for Part 1

[arista]

The Labour Party
has just confirmed they will also go ahead with HS2.


Ref:Radio5

[Nedusa]

I was watching this on the news and thought it was a good idea but then it said it wouldn't be ready till 2033 :|

How long does it take to lay a bit of freakin track....????

[arista]

[HS2 Chairman Urges MPs To Speed Up Plans]

http://news.sky.com/story/1227008/hs2-chairman-urges-mps-to-speed-up-plans

Yes get a bloody move on.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/17/296371/default/v1/cegrab-20140317-053215-139-1-402x293.jpg

[High-speed link should reach the north six years earlier than planned - MPs]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582371/Bring-HS2-forward-revitalise-North-MPs-urged-shave-6-years-50bn-scheme.html#ixzz2wCZvyOhd


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[the truth]

HS2 UK New Railway has to be Built
Great Fight
Live on Ch4News just Now.


Our Railways were built 100 years ago or so.
1854 infact.

Even if you say the Cost is to much.

New Railways have to be built
there is no other way.

YzOaHz-e7TE

Report then the Fight in the Studio.
Ch4News 28/7/11.

worst waste of money ik UK history....we the tax payer are basically subsidising the private train companies tens of billions and lining the pockets of the bosses to get from manchester to london 20 minutes quicker (If theres no animals on the tracks or delays at the stations) what a joke.....meanwhile tens of thousands die from preventable illnesses in our underfunded hospitals, the roads are a disaster, the gas is running out and the severn barrage which would save us billions FOREVER is again ignored for another generation

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/6/22/318258/default/v1/independent-1-329x437.jpg

HS3 using the existing line
Up North



No idea on dates
as China will co build it

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/16/article-0-0F63F12C00000578-762_634x296.jpg
Development: Work on the HS2 will begin in London in 2017.



Yes work starts in 2017
Done Deal

[arista]

I think it's a good idea, screw the environmentalists


Bang On Right MTVN

[kirklancaster]

I think it's a good idea, screw the environmentalists

:laugh2: Fascist.

[arista]

No Kirk

MTVN

on this is most wise

[the truth]

100% against. why should the public pay 60 billion to pay for a train set for a privatised sector? its morally disgusting. let the private companies pay for their own train set. leave us out of it.....if new labour had any backbone theyd be fighting to renationalise the train lines. this is disgraceful and the shareholders will cream more profits from the tax payers

[arista]

100% against. why should the public pay 60 billion to pay for a train set for a privatised sector? its morally disgusting. let the private companies pay for their own train set. leave us out of it.....if new labour had any backbone theyd be fighting to renationalise the train lines. this is disgraceful and the shareholders will cream more profits from the tax payers


Does not matter
no one will stop it being built
unless we go into WW3

[the truth]

we should at least have a proper debate on this...£60 billion in 4 times the budget of wales for goodness sakes

[arista]

we should at least have a proper debate on this...£60 billion in 4 times the budget of wales for goodness sakes


No
its a done deal
Conservative and Labour Done Deal

[Kizzy]

Wasn't there a study done that said it only knocked 20 mins form the current journey time, how is that worth 60 billion?

[arista]

Watch the Ch4HDNews Video
1st post.

This is about New Railway stock
forget the 20mins bit

[joeysteele]

Wasn't there a study done that said it only knocked 20 mins form the current journey time, how is that worth 60 billion?

It isn't worth the funding at all Kizzy, this is something that really should be looked at again and in fact halted.
I agree with all who advocate that.

[the truth]

the fact it has cross party support is deeply disturbing....NO ONE has put the argument to the people? 60 billion is a complete and utter disgrace even if it was nationalised , but as its privatized its a massive scandal of epic proportions...but dumbed down Britain will never get this debate, they'll just insult each other deflect away from real debate and do what both parties do, leave the costs to the public sector and the profits will be privatised....ye another area milliband failed to attack

[arista]

"has put the argument to the people? "

It was on TV and Radio Debates all last year
some changes have started.
Debates in Zones it effects
consider all points

[kirklancaster]

Anyone fancy a nice little wager with me? I bet that this is yet more 'money laundering'. Billions of £££££''s of public money go in one end, then the whole project once up and running ends up in the hands of Private Enterprise for the bargain price of £10.00 and a Bag of Peanuts Millenium Dome style.

Crazy Kirk Poco Loco. :crazy:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/15/13/32367A7B00000578-3491547-image-a-42_1458047149922.jpg
Update on the HS2 , HS3 later plan

[arista]

[HS2 rail link 'going to happen',
says transport secretary
Chris Grayling reaffirms the
Government's commitment to
the line amid concerns about
the timetable and costs.]

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-mays-government-not-backing-away-from-hs2-10614184

[arista]

Yesterday in Parliament
they passed the Bill
so HS2 starts Work this Bloody Year
at last

[arista]

10PM Chris Grayling MP tonight
announced total cost £55.7 Billion pounds


In Parliament

[arista]

New homes will be bulldozed for HS2 railway line

The Government's route for the Manchester and Leeds arms of the high-speed line will mean at least 16 families lose their homes.

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http://news.sky.com/story/new-homes-will-be-bulldozed-to-make-way-for-hs2-railway-line-10951967

[T*]

wtaf

[arista]

wtaf

BAD PLANNINGS

[the truth]

what a sick joke this is...not new trackes either just speed and even getting rid of the signal men/women...cue more accidents and bigger profits for the corporations more bills for the tax payer to renew the tracks and pay for the accidents in blood

[arista]

Yes but its now needed
for Extra Capacity

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/Vu5m7gFgTRaKTqr06Zpm_i%20paper.jpg

[reece(:]

£55 billion for this vanity project yet all education get for the term is a measly £1.3 bill?

[arista]

No its needed
For More Capacity
as the other main train line gets Packed

[arista]

Now at over £60Billion


Dispatches Tonight 8PM Ch4HD 30mins Docu

"HS2 , The Great Train Robbery"


With £4Billion pounds already spent
many are now calling to Scrap HS2.


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[Cherie]

They need to finish off Crossrail first, when is it due to open now, it was meant to be last December, the overspends on these projects with no accountability is ludicrous

[bots]

you will be lucky if you can buy a bag of chips for 60 billion after brexit :idc:

[arista]

They need to finish off Crossrail first, when is it due to open now, it was meant to be last December, the overspends on these projects with no accountability is ludicrous


Thats is going to get finished
later than it should, sure.


But this HS2 Docu
is going to shock some
Tonight 8PM Ch4HD
Economist Liam Halligan Reports for Depatches

[James]

I read HS2 will only reduce journey times between London and Birmingham by 24 minutes, better for Manchester.

There's a project to build a high-speed rail link in California between Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the cost and completion time has also gone way over the estimates. It could get canceled also.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/californias-77-billion-high-speed-rail-project-is-in-trouble.html

I was reading about it because some of the Democrats in America published a Green plan which included a proposal to replace a lot of air travel with high-speed rail. The intentions are good with these things but the difficulty is in the small details, which increases costs and delays, and reduces the benefit of it.

[arista]

I read HS2 will only reduce journey times between London and Birmingham by 24 minutes, better for Manchester.

There's a project to build a high-speed rail link in California between Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the cost and completion time has also gone way over the estimates. It could get canceled also.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/californias-77-billion-high-speed-rail-project-is-in-trouble.html

I was reading about it because some of the Democrats in America published a Green plan which included a proposal to replace a lot of air travel with high-speed rail. The intentions are good with these things but the difficulty is in the small details, which increases costs and delays, and reduces the benefit of it.



Yes with HS2 its the Land Costs
that was not predicted correct



Yes that USA California Fast underground sells well
but again its the Costs not corrected in time



The Democrats Green " ideas"
are not worthy of talking about
as none of those dreams are being made law

[arista]

Ch4HD Docu on now

[arista]

In the Papers Today
Many New Possible Conservative Leaders
have said they would Scrap It.
End any more HS2 work.

They are saying up to 4 Billion pounds spent
But total cost will be over 100 Billion pounds

[James]

HS2: Review to examine costs and benefits of rail project

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/76BE/production/_108389303_hs2siemenspa.jpg
A proposed design for a HS2 train

The government is launching a review of high-speed rail link HS2 - with a “go or no-go" decision to be made by the end of the year, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has said.

The review will consider whether and how the project to connect London, the Midlands and northern England should proceed, looking at costs and benefits.

Mr Shapps refused to rule out scrapping it entirely.

He said it was "responsible" to see whether HS2 was "going to stack up".

Phase 1 of the development between London and Birmingham is due to open at the end of 2026, with the second phase to Leeds and Manchester scheduled for completion by 2032-33.

It is designed to carry trains capable of travelling at 250mph.


When asked about the billions already spent on the project, Mr Shapps said: "Just because you've spent a lot of money on something does not mean you should plough more and more money into it."

He said ministers were asking the reviewers "just give us the facts."

"Go and find out all the information that's out there… genuinely what it would cost to complete this project, and then we'll be in a much better position to make that decision - go or no-go by the end of the year."

The review will be chaired by Douglas Oakervee, a civil engineer who served as chairman of the Crossrail project between 2005 and 2009.

Lord Berkeley, another civil engineer who worked on the construction of the Channel Tunnel, will act as his deputy.

A final report will be sent to the government in the autumn.


Rising cost

During the Conservative Party leadership campaign Boris Johnson said he would not scrap plans for the new rail link, but did express "anxieties about the business case".

Previous governments have argued the new route would boost the economy, but concerns have been raised over the cost and route.

In July, the current chairman of the project reportedly warned that the total cost could rise by £30bn - up from the current budget of £56bn.

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Labour peer Lord Adonis, a former transport secretary who worked as an infrastructure adviser to Theresa May, said the review was "as stupid as you can get" and would "screw Birmingham and the North".

He tweeted that it would become "a massive bun fight, while the transport department runs for cover and HS2 Ltd is paralysed by indecision".

The review will look into:

cost estimates so far
opportunities for efficiency savings
the environmental impact, focusing specifically on net zero carbon commitment
whether the economic and business case made for HS2 is accurate
the added costs of cancelling the project or changing its scope, such as combining phases 1 and 2a (Birmingham to Crewe), reducing the speed or building only phase 1



From https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49420332

[bots]

So basically cancelling that allows them to fund all the other commitments they have made already. Pretty obvious strategy

[arista]

[while the transport department runs for cover and HS2 Ltd is paralysed by indecision. ]

They need to Update
the Cost, And the PM must
sort it out.

[arista]

[HS2: Ministers and bosses knew railway was over budget years ago
By Tom Burridge Transport correspondent, BBC News ]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49450297
[Crucially, the documents were written in 2016, before MPs had signed off the first phase of the project.
It is evidence that both the public and Parliament were not given the full picture about the true cost.
The Department for Transport said: "Like all major, complex projects delivery plans evolve over time."
"We regularly keep Parliament and members of the public updated on the progress of the project," the DfT added.
HS2 Ltd is a public company, set up to build a new high-speed line linking
London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds. It is funded by the taxpayer.]

[Kizzy]

[HS2: Ministers and bosses knew railway was over budget years ago
By Tom Burridge Transport correspondent, BBC News ]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49450297
[Crucially, the documents were written in 2016, before MPs had signed off the first phase of the project.
It is evidence that both the public and Parliament were not given the full picture about the true cost.
The Department for Transport said: "Like all major, complex projects delivery plans evolve over time."
"We regularly keep Parliament and members of the public updated on the progress of the project," the DfT added.
HS2 Ltd is a public company, set up to build a new high-speed line linking
London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds. It is funded by the taxpayer.]

So go on shock me how much have they funneled out of the public purse so far?...

[DouglasS]

They better not cancel this. Travelling to London is a nightmare

Also planning on buying property in Manchester when this is confirmed as this transport route will make the value much greater with the possible commute to London

[Alf]

Best form of transport.

We should get rid of cars and just have trains.

[arista]

They better not cancel this. Travelling to London is a nightmare

Also planning on buying property in Manchester when this is confirmed as this transport route will make the value much greater with the possible commute to London


The Problem is
although £6Billion has been spent
No track has been laid.

The PM must answer to this mess.

[arista]

Best form of transport.

We should get rid of cars and just have trains.



Its Cheaper to Fly to Scotland
than pay for the Train Fare.

Many households have 2 cars , now.

Cars are not going.
They may become less loud , though
as folks get Electric Cars.

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

LOL

[Oliver_W]

What's the point in spending all that money when it doesn't even save an hour?

[Beastie]

They need to scrap ****ty HS2.

[arista]

They need to scrap ****ty HS2.


The PM must say in the next 8 weeks
what he will do with HS2

[Cherie]

Crossrail won't open properly now until 2021 :hehe: only 3 years late, never mind

[arista]

Crossrail won't open properly now until 2021 :hehe: only 3 years late, never mind


Yes at least Crossrail will be completed.
very late, sure.

HS2 they are thinking of editing it down?

[Kizzy]

There is no hs2... just like there was no garden bridge and no 40 new hospitals. It's just an excuse to funnel money out of the public purse.

[arista]

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[arista]

HS2: Rail link costs could rise to £106bn, says review

[Is Johnson PM going to fund this or not?
The Transport Secretary said today
we should find out in weeks]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51171249

[arista]

There is no hs2... just like there was no garden bridge and no 40 new hospitals. It's just an excuse to funnel money out of the public purse.


Bollocks Kizzy
That Garden Bridge never got started

Hospitals is 6
sure not 40 , YET

[Oliver_W]

£100 billion ... just why?

It's not worth it, it doesn't even save an hour from the journey...

[arista]

£100 billion ... just why?

It's not worth it, it doesn't even save an hour from the journey...




Prices have gone up
Buying land
Building the Railway.

They Have to Cut through Chiltern Hills.


Poxy Cameron PM
should have got it started before he buggered off

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Bollocks Kizzy
That Garden Bridge never got started

Hospitals is 6
sure not 40 , YET

How much money was spent on that non existent bridge? ... go on, have a guess.

Never will be 40, THAT was bollocks!

It's not going to and never was going to happen.
Carrillion said they'd do it for a tenner, a bag of chips and a pickled egg. :laugh:

[Twosugars]

There is no hs2... just like there was no garden bridge and no 40 new hospitals. It's just an excuse to funnel money out of the public purse.

Wait till he starts on the bridge to northern Ireland :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Kizzy]

Wait till he starts on the bridge to northern Ireland :laugh::laugh::laugh:

I'm suprised he hasn't gone full trump and commissioned a camouflage bridge to the moon! :laugh:

[arista]

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[arista]

For Kizzyhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOv4V07UEAA6KvG?format=jpg&name=small

[Kizzy]

Yep that's all we have here imaginary trains, bridges, runways, ferries .. everything is in the 'consultancy' phase which means vast amounts can be syphoned out of the public pocket at will.

[arista]

HSBC Bank
has moved to Birmingham.

Will
PM Johnson Back HS2 or Not
we a due to find out in some weeks time?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPik52gXkAAZMGF?format=jpg&name=small

Get in there Sophie
Great Reports
SkyNewsHD

Free Full HD on YouTube Live

[Glenn.]

I didn’t know Wallace was building it

[Twosugars]

Con backbenchers rebellion is brewing

[arista]

HS2 :No Decision this week
now it the end of this month?

Reported on All Out Politics
SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Media are saying today HS2 is Confirmed

[arista]

12:30PM Live
in Parliament Johnson PM is to announce it

[user104658]

I swear by the time they build HS2, we'll have invented mass teleportation and all forms of transport will be obsolete.

[arista]

Live HS2 is to go ahead

[arista]

Sod the Ancient Woodland
we are Rolling on through.

At last a PM not scared to get HS2 going.

[Kizzy]

It will probably have cost more to scrap it at this stage, they'd be sued by all awarded contracts. . It's a mess, a big unnecessary mess.

[Strictly Jake]

So what exactly is HS2? In simple words. Can I get on one from my local train station, lancaster?

[arista]

So what exactly is HS2? In simple words. Can I get on one from my local train station, Lancaster?

No You are well up England
in a Historic City.

It's a fast train from Euston, London
to Birmingham

[arista]

ITV1 London news & Ch4HDnews showed arrests being made
of those blocking HS2.
By loads of Police.

Get Out of the Way
are get Locked UP

7 Million new tree's will be planted

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

China offers to build HS2 in 5 years
I say take it,

HS2: UK in talks with China over construction of high-speed line
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51512831
[China's state railway company said it could build the line
in just five years and at a much lower cost,
according to a letter seen by Building magazine]


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[Oliver_W]

I still wonder how they can justify the monetary and environmental cost for the sake of less than an hour. ..

[arista]

I still wonder how they can justify the monetary and environmental cost for the sake of less than an hour. ..

The point is to have more Railway
And the Needed HS3.


The (Grant Shapps)Transport Sec,
said today the China Railway Company
is not in any talks

[arista]

Today
The PM Johnson was on the London HS2 Site.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/04/15/32781190-8698445-image-a-79_1599231494654.jpg

He is now backing this Overpriced 340miles Railway
to Birmingham.

The Silly Protestors (soon to be removed from Denham)
say look at Railway now?

No, this is about the future
this 240miles an hour, Train
is beyond Covid-19.

[arista]

Jones' Hill Wood, Aylesbury Vale

Illegal Trespassers/Protesters are being Removed

As that Land is now owned by HS2
and they are working to get that railway on track.


Was just on BBCnewsHD
Live Reporter there.

[Oliver_W]

Can't they just ... not? It's not worth all the environmental damage.

[arista]

Can't they just ... not? It's not worth all the environmental damage.


The Damage will get repaired after the Track is laid.


You can not stop progress Oliver

[Oliver_W]

The Damage will get repaired after the Track is laid.


You can not stop progress Oliver

It's barely progress whwn the journey saved will be under one hour...

[arista]

It's barely progress when the journey saved will be under one hour...


Its a Future Railway
beyond Covid-19.

More Capacity
is the main reason now.

[arista]

Alf
Abe visits the Smelly HS2 Protest in Central London Land
11 Jan 2021.

j2_9jt1rBrQ


Yes Abe you may have over 80,000 Followers
but not all agree with the Smelly Camp.

[arista]

On BBC1 London
they are showing a Secret Tunnel built by
HS2 Protestors at an Euston Park,
of course, they do not show how you get to the entrance.

Built by Swampy and his group.


An Expert watched the Video
and said it's not that safe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55796445


Soon they will be removed

[arista]

1354341472083062785

[Oliver_W]

Worthwhile protests :)

[arista]

Worthwhile protests :)

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/EBD0/production/_116686306_hi065392168.jpg
You Punk
get off the private land

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/3F32/production/_116687161_mediaitem116687160.jpg

Well done special Police Team
getting these Punks down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55822645

[Cherie]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/3F32/production/_116687161_mediaitem116687160.jpg

Well done special Police Team
getting these Punks down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55822645

Did they shake the tree :fist:

[arista]

Did they shake the tree :fist:


No slowly take apart the hut.
Remove the Protestor,

[Oliver_W]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/3F32/production/_116687161_mediaitem116687160.jpg

Well done special Police Team
getting these Punks down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55822645
I'd rather trees be sat in than knocked down to make the way for a pointless railway line :shrug:

[arista]

Only 4 Punks are in the tunnel.

They will dig them out,
hopefully alive.

5 have been detained under arrest.

HS2 are planting new tree's as the go.
They are also moving badgers.
Rail is better than a car.


BBC1 London News.

[arista]

1354771977702170624

[Oliver_W]

Great, do all sorts to disrupt that stupid thing.

Release protected species onto sites the places the planned route goes through, and then "discover" their presence.

[arista]

Swampy has his 16 year old son
in the tunnel.

He told Ch4HDnews
he wanted to be in it.

Thats irresponsible.

The Workers are doing a parallel tunnel
to get them out.


Heavy Rain Tonight
Could flood the tunnel

[arista]

Today a Judge rejects Tunnel objectors
and told them they must leave.


BBC1 London News.

[arista]

[The go-ahead for the next phase of Britain’s
controversial HS2 high-speed rail network has
been approved.
Phase 2A of the project will be built
from the West Midlands to Crewe was given
Royal Assent on Thursday.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56017605

[arista]

Swampy's 16 year old son
has left the dangerous protest tunnel.


BBC1 London News reports

[hijaxers]

Swampy's 16 year old son
has left the dangerous protest tunnel.


BBC1 London News reports

Well thats a shame ~ anything to stop this HS2 complete waste of billions.

[arista]

[The anti-HS2 tunnel protest close to Euston station
in central London has finally ended
after the ninth climate activist emerged from underground.]

Good news

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/26/hs2-tunnel-protest-euston-final-activist-leaves

[arista]

Bradley
Environment protester Punk
starting to build a Protest camp.

Was Just on BBC1 London news
in a Nature area near Wormwood Scrubs


Reporter : How long will you stay here?
Bradley said to the reporter how long is a piece of string?

HS2 will replace the Nature Area



These Protesters
can never win.

[arista]

In Denham
5 Eco Protestors were removed
by Tree Houses.

Ref:ITV1HD London News/


HS2 can not be stopped

[arista]

Again on BBC1 News 1PM

Green Protestors getting removed from tree's
A Female Green Protestor failing to convince anyone
why she is up a Tree
holding up progress.

What is crazy
is other Sensible Greens agree with HS2.

They (HS2) are planting New Trees after the Line has gone through.

[arista]

Live on SkyNewsHD
at the Chiltern Hills, Drilling Tunnel
starting today.


£20 Million Cost for the Drilling Machine
it will work 24/7
for the next 3 years.


Drilling through Chalk.

[arista]

The 2nd Part Extension Birmingham to Leeds
has now been cancelled.

No funds for that.

https://www.theplanner.co.uk/news/transport-for-the-north-hits-out-as-key-hs2-extension-is-halted

[ThomasC]

Disgusting!!

They have been protesting this when I was back in school.

For what, the sake of saving a few minutes? There's already lots of transport options.

What about our beautiful countryside and climate warming? We need trees.

So unnecessary

[arista]

Disgusting!!

They have been protesting this when I was back in school.

For what, the sake of saving a few minutes? There's already lots of transport options.

What about our beautiful countryside and climate warming? We need trees.

So unnecessary

Every Tree is being replaced.

[arista]

Swampy at it Again.



HS2: Bailiffs start removing
environmental protesters
from trees and tunnels at
Buckinghamshire rail link site


https://news.sky.com/story/hs2-bailiffs-start-removing-environmental-protesters-from-trees-and-tunnels-at-buckinghamshire-rail-link-site-12431402



HS2 did not have enough
Security protecting the tunnel
at the weekend.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/11/15/49028593-10079571-image-a-154_1633961603212.jpg
2 Smelly Protestors - Removed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10079571/Sofas-built-pallets-kitchen-supplies-BAR-Inside-anti-HS2-camp.html

[arista]

BBC just confirmed

HS3 Birmingham to Leeds is to be Officially be Scrapped

Lack of Funding.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13795/production/_121556797_the-i-nc.png

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FERqNSnWUAQJc1K?format=jpg&name=small

[Oliver_W]

Screw levelling up, having a slightly faster train service isn't worth all the environmental damage HS would cause.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEbeqdPX0AArtH2?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-bcb0b785-524d-4eac-bd52-d0f6e34f4ef3.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

HS2 thinks London Euston to Birmingham Curzon Street
may be completed on year 2045

This year they think it may cost in total £107Billion.

Construction began in September 2020.


https://news.sky.com/story/hs2-explained-what-is-it-how-much-will-it-cost-and-whats-changed-12471362

[arista]

[Protesters have marched over fears HS2
works could affect water supplies.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/4E06/production/_123147991_whatsappimage2022-02-05at16.16.13.jpg

[Colne Valley Viaduct, the UK's longest
railway bridge, will carry the new high-speed
rail line for 2.1m (3.4km) across a series
of lakes and waterways on the
north west outskirts of London.
Protesters in Uxbridge called on
Hillingdon Council to do more to
protect the local environment.

A HS2 spokesperson said they will
work throughout construction
to manage risks.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60273651


There is No Proof the Water is in danger/

[arista]

[HS2: Government scraps plans for £3bn West Coast Main Line link]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-61717478

[arista]

Today the Sun published a
Think tank stupid story, not true
it thought, in order to cut costs HS2
could start on the outskirts of London.


Jeremy Hunt
and Sunak both confirmed today
HS2 starts at Euston


Yes, they have moved homes out
and are Digging it up for the new
HS2 Start station.

[arista]

The Government is to announce today
some delays to HS2
to save money

Of Course the Completion is already at 2045

Up North

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/03/hs2-rail-line-could-be-further-delayed-to-cut-costs-says-boss

[arista]

The HS2 Delay will now be 2 years

To save money.

So Conclusion of the Whole Project
is now expected 2047

[arista]

Also
London Euston Station
also to be Delayed

To Save Money.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8028c19c-2e9b-484e-aa8f-a635fb0a7810.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a9556b48-81f6-4820-9713-d8c84705be4d.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-95cdeda5-ca0f-4546-a669-5cc4023f0b10.jpeg

[joeysteele]

This is becoming farcical.
At best.

[arista]

This is becoming farcical.
At best.


From 2045 to 2047


Joey, will any of us get to go on it?

[joeysteele]

From 2045 to 2047


Joey, will any of us get to go on it?

Doubt it arista.

I expect even more excessive costs and more delays or cuts to it too.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C749/production/_128971015_bgtunnel.jpg.webp
[An HS2 tunnel in Burton Green has been
completed after years of disruption]

A bit of Progress.

[arista]

This is becoming farcical.
At best.


Worse Now

I want Starmer to tell us his plan
for HS2.


[Let’s not forget the current iteration of HS2
goes absolutely nowhere useful.
No Euston.
No Birmingham New Street.
But from a glorified bus shelter in
West London to an inconvenient
location in Birmingham.
The time anyone saves from “high speed”
travel will be more than eaten into
getting to the respective city centres.
People will question why they didn’t
just use the West Coast Main Line
or Chiltern Line in the first place.]


Taken from Greg Smith
in the Telegraph.

[arista]

Doubt it arista.

I expect even more excessive costs and more delays or cuts to it too.



Labour originally designed this HS2
a bitter old Labour git was on.



Good Debate on NewsnightHD on 2 channels

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f8566a93-6eed-4264-8028-bcd1576b3e20.png

[arista]

Labour will not comment
until revised costs are known.


Conservatives will now only go as far as Birmingham
Cancelling going onto Manchester

[arista]

Both Labour and Conservative
will not confirm it will go to Manchester.

This is because of lack of Funds


Debate on BBC2HD Politics Live

[joeysteele]

What an absolute mess.

[bots]

we shouldn't continue to pump money into a project we cannot afford. Just suspend it until we reach a point where it becomes feasible again. I don't know whats so terrible about that

[joeysteele]

we shouldn't continue to pump money into a project we cannot afford. Just suspend it until we reach a point where it becomes feasible again. I don't know whats so terrible about that

I'd agree with that bots.

[arista]

So it's going to Birmingham only

[arista]

Yes Manchester Cancelled

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/0413/production/_131234010_tim.001.1gm.23sep_1158026382-nc.png.webp

[arista]

The Online Paper


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-aedf48f4-221d-4e68-98ba-f1914b84b368.jpeg

[arista]

This Paper also posted in the Strictly section

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A855/production/_131239034_telegraph-nc.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A46D/production/_131239024_observer-nc.png.webp

[arista]

New Labour Minister
Darren Jones MP (Speaking to Victoria on BBC1HD Live)

Said Labour can not say it will build
to Manchester on HS2,
until PM Sunak gives
the Full Numbers/Real Costings
of the HS2 Ltd.

[joeysteele]

New Labour Minister
Darren Jones MP (Speaking to Victoria on BBC1HD Live)

Said Labour can not say it will build
to Manchester on HS2,
until PM Sunak gives
the Full Numbers/Real Costings
of the HS2 Ltd.

Well to be fair.
No Party can really say so..
Especially when even this useless Prime Minister and his Ministers cannot either, and they ARE the government.

[Oliver_W]

Just a collosal waste of money.

Lockdown has shown us that meetings can reliably be held online, and the only people it would really benefit are "important" businessmen who regularly "need" to pop across the country. It's not like people with ordinary jobs (generally) have that big of a commute.

For the sake of saving like an hour from the total journey, it's just not worth the money and environmental damage.

[arista]

Just a colossal waste of money.

Lockdown has shown us that meetings can reliably be held online, and the only people it would really benefit are "important" businessmen who regularly "need" to pop across the country. It's not like people with ordinary jobs (generally) have that big of a commute.

For the sake of saving like an hour from the total journey, it's just not worth the money and environmental damage.


Look,
we are Stuck with it
Not even at Euston now,
to Birmingham


It's not just about saving time
it is also more New Rail Stock.

[bots]

i heard its now gone over budget by 8 billion, that is not sustainable when we have the NHS on it's knees

[arista]

i heard its now gone over budget by 8 billion, that is not sustainable when we have the NHS on it's knees


Yes,
so PM Sunak Goes to the Manchester Conference (1st Oct)
Next week, saying it is stopped - Delayed?

[bots]

Yes,
so PM Sunak Goes to the Manchester Conference (1st Oct)
Next week, saying it is stopped - Delayed?

he wont say anything until parliament resumes

[arista]

he won't say anything until parliament resumes


Yes
No wonder you have high payments
to get into that Manchester Conference Centre.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385657&highlight=conservative+conference

[Cherie]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f8566a93-6eed-4264-8028-bcd1576b3e20.png

Lol

[Alf]

The people don't want transport services improving with their tax money. The people would rather spend their tax money on invading people from other countries into their communities and wars in Eastern Europe.

If they didn't want those things instead, then they would down tools, be out there protesting and voting out the people who are running the books. They're not doing that, so they're happy with what the book runners are doing.

There's probably a new series to watch on Netflix anyway.

[arista]

he wont say anything until parliament resumes



BBC claims
This week he will say if the Manchester Extension
is Stopped

[arista]

[Anti-HS2 crusader Keir Starmer may have to face down
his Shadow Cabinet as an unearthed video
does the rounds of him unreservedly blasting
the project “on cost and merit”,
and categorically stating that
“the only sensible plan is to abandon the
project altogether”. Starmer has a long
history of campaigning against the project
with fellow Camden MP Tulip Siddiq… and crucially
voted against it in 2016.
Any new expression of support for HS2
from Starmer will be entirely confected
and opportunistic.

Long before Sir Keir was elevated to the
leadership, Wes Streeting implicitly took
a pop at his now-dear leader by describing
his anti-HS2 campaign as
“great for posh Londoners but crap for working
class northerners”. Most of the Shadow Cabinet
are on the record as strongly in favour of HS2,
including John Healey, Jonathan Reynolds,
Nick Thomas-Symonds, Jonathan Ashworth,
Bridget Phillipson, Louise Haigh, Lucy Powell,
and Steve Reed.
Admittedly Shabana Mahmood has backed
Andy Burnham’s claim that it
is “essential to regeneration, jobs and growth”.
Starmer is deliberately keeping a low profile
during this row ]


https://order-order.com/2023/09/25/flashback-starmer-i-oppose-hs2-on-cost-and-merit/

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-5dbe89a4-9f67-4983-9d80-dcb0327d6e81.png

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[Three bosses on the HS2 rail project have been
given salaries worth a combined total of £1.3m,
while more than 40 others picked
up at least £150,000 each,
according to the Daily Express.
It comes amid questions about the future of
parts of the project because of spiralling costs.
The paper calls the salaries "shameful".]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/133E/production/_131262940_express-nc.png.webp

[arista]

PM Sunak
was asked, about HS2 to Manchester
on Local Radio BBC Manchester

Sunak stated we have spades in the ground.

BBC Lady : IS IT under review?


Sunak : We are looking at roads and potholes?

BBC Lady now getting angry, says we are not talking potholes...............



Played on Politics Live : BBC2HD

[bots]

i heard that interview, it was ridiculous. All these politicians should be booted out

[arista]

i heard that interview, it was ridiculous. All these politicians should be booted out


Yes he is in Manchester this weekend
to start the Conservative Conferrence.

Could he say HS2 to Manchaster is Delayed,
that would be better

[arista]

Weds Local Paper in the Region.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7CQdQlX0AAK6_8?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7CQdQiXoAAqDG0?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Sunak is to Cancel the HS2 Manchester


SkyNewsHD and Ch4HDnews both Confirm it

[joeysteele]

Andy Street won't be happy.

[bots]

if it proves true, labour can simply resurrect it next year if they want, but we all know that they wont and are just playing politics

[arista]

if it proves true, Labour can simply resurrect it next year if they want, but we all know that they wont and are just playing politics


Sure but can they afford it???

[arista]

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/14E1B/production/_131313558_metro-nc.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B5C3/production/_131313564_i-nc.png.webp

[arista]

Andy Burnham
said on Newsnight he hopes Labour will
build the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 Line?

Bloody Hell
he hopes in Liverpool next weekend
tubby Starmer will say yes?

[bots]

In reality, it just means the section of rail from birmingham to manchester will be a bit slower, the rest of the journey will be fast. It's not like the link is not there.

[arista]

In reality, it just means the section of rail from birmingham to manchester will be a bit slower, the rest of the journey will be fast. It's not like the link is not there.


Sure.
That's how Sunak will spin it.

[arista]

Phase 2 Cancelled

Birmingham to Manchester not enough cash in the kitty

Well Tubby Starmer
do you have £60Billion spare?

[Zizu]

Phase 2 Cancelled

Birmingham to Manchester not enough cash in the kitty

Well Tubby Starmer
do you have £60Billion spare?


How was this decision allowed to be leaked days ago ?

Or was it deliberately leaked ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[arista]

How was this decision allowed to be leaked days ago ?

Or was it deliberately leaked ?




No

A Press Photographer
zoomed in on Printed Text A4 paper
sticking out a sloppy parliament worker's bag.


They never learn
never leave text visible


Top Cameras have fast zooms.



HS2 was all the Fault of New Labour in 2009

[arista]

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1709889569049514195

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7q40eYXsAAFHut?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Keir Starmer "abandoning Labour's 2019 manifesto
pledge to complete HS2 in full",
after he said he would stick to Mr Sunak's
new plans if elected. Sir Keir is quoted as telling
ITV News that the Tories have
"taken a wrecking ball to the project" and
he cannot pledge to "simply reverse it".]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/354C/production/_131344631_telegraph-nc.png.webp

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Reports that the HS2 rail project "may never reach
Euston without private funding".
The paper says Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's
freshly announced "Network North" plans are
already in doubt - "24 hours after
his [Conservative Party Conference] speech".]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E9BA/production/_131343895_i-nc.png.webp

[arista]

Ref: HS2 direct to Euston
now no longer under HS2 Ltd.,

Will only go ahead with Private Investors

Mark Harper MP speaking on
Trevor Phillips, SkyNewsHD 90mins show.

[arista]

Yesterday

Labour Leader Starmer confirmed
they will have no spare money for HS2.

Many knew this.
It was just Tubby Starmer confirming it,

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b4645154-0f25-4c40-81ec-e42906cb4f98.jpeg

[arista]

Another £200million
for the Labour Party to Find



Sky News Text:
[HS2 is the focus for the i newspaper,
which leads on the latest problem
to hit the high-speed rail project.
It reports on unsafe gaps between
train doors and platforms which will
cost £200m to fix.]



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