[arista]

HS2 UK New Railway has to be Built
Great Fight
Live on Ch4News just Now.


Our Railways were built 100 years ago or so.
1854 infact.

Even if you say the Cost is to much.

New Railways have to be built
there is no other way.

Video now gone

Report then the Fight in the Studio.
Ch4News 28/7/11.

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ja...-hs2-rail-link

http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16144165

HS2 looks like its going ahead.
Which makes sense
2026 is a date some have given for its completion

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ja...ct-green-light

Yes Now they go ahead.
Works to start after legal problems are dealt with.

[fruit_cake]

All that money for a half hour saving? It seems a little bit unreasonable to me.

[arista]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

All that money for a half hour saving? It seems a little bit unreasonable to me.

Thats not the only reason
its the Future Railway Line
which is needed for our future



Both Conservative & Labour want this Future

[Marc]

It's such a good idea, it really is. But it's the classic argument of planning vs. environmental sensitivity.

I personally am pro the trainline

EDIT: You'd think they would search for an option that doesn't negatively impact people's properties eg. spliting that man's land in half

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by arista

Thats not the only reason
its the Future Railway Line
which is needed for our future



Both Conservative & Labour want this Future

why is it needed? The railways are the biggest rip-off I've ever come across. I can't imagine this making them any cheaper. I wish there would be more investment in cleaner and more efficient cars personally.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

why is it needed? The railways are the biggest rip-off I've ever come across. I can't imagine this making them any cheaper. I wish there would be more investment in cleaner and more efficient cars personally.

Faster freight? Less dependance on planes for cross country travel? UK railway lines are pathetically behind the times compared with the rest of the world.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Marc

It's such a good idea, it really is. But it's the classic argument of planning vs. environmental sensitivity.

I personally am pro the trainline

EDIT: You'd think they would search for an option that doesn't negatively impact people's properties eg. spliting that man's land in half

Similar issues will have existed when trains and paved roads arrived, its just one of them things

[MTVN]

I think it's a good idea, screw the environmentalists

[Angus]

No pain, no gain. Time is money. Is progress supposed to come to a shuddering halt and be thwarted because of its fleeting impact on a minority of people? Utilitarianism is the principle here - the greatest good for the greatest number.

[fruit_cake]

all of this to gain half an hour? it's madness imo

[Scarlett.]

30 minutes, for now, high speed rail is about futureproofing our rail system, our current lines have been around for over 100 years and are rather limiting us now

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

30 minutes, for now, high speed rail is about futureproofing our rail system, our current lines have been around for over 100 years and are rather limiting us now

Yes New Railway is needed
Its our Future it will be done.

[arista]

We get to hear the Phase 2 route in the next hour
but nothing is being built , yet
thats wrong

http://news.sky.com/story/1043666/hs...spark-backlash


2026
is a long way away

[Nedusa]

This is long overdue, a much needed plan to modernise and update our railway infrastructure with new high speed lines. Because it requires new track it will not be popular with the environmentalists and the nimby's who will argue it it too expensive and unecessary. It will cause a lot of disruption to the countryside with many compulsory purchase orders of the land where the new tracks are going to be.

But remember this we had to go through this process back in the nineteenth century when the railways were first built and that must have been far more severe and disruptive , but that was needed for the country to industrialise. So how can anyone realistically argue against this much needed update to our railway infrastructure .

The new lines will not be ready until 2030 in any case and by then they will be absolutely vital without new lines like these we could end up as the laughing stock of Europe (in railway terms) ...assuming we are not that already !!!

[Marc]

Good good

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marc

Good good

Thats Spirit Marc




Feel The Force

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Similar issues will have existed when trains and paved roads arrived, its just one of them things

there wasn't quite the awareness of environmental damage when roads were built, was there?

and lol @ "screw the environmentalists"... just...don't need to say anything really.

[Jake.]

Good stuff

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Shaun

there wasn't quite the awareness of environmental damage when roads were built, was there?

and lol @ "screw the environmentalists"... just...don't need to say anything really.

but you just did

[Smithy]

I was watching this on the news and thought it was a good idea but then it said it wouldn't be ready till 2033 :|

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I was watching this on the news and thought it was a good idea but then it said it wouldn't be ready till 2033 :|

Maybe that including the Full Rail up north.


The 2026 is still there for Part 1

[arista]

The Labour Party
has just confirmed they will also go ahead with HS2.


Ref:Radio5

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I was watching this on the news and thought it was a good idea but then it said it wouldn't be ready till 2033 :|

How long does it take to lay a bit of freakin track....????