Should the circumcision of babys be banned?

[Sam:)]

It has proven to have no medical benefits, so why should healthy babies have to go through a surgery which is basically cosmetic? I mean obviously some people need to get it done and some adults may want it but should it not be the persons choice and not the parents?

Discuss

[Livia]

Where is the proof that there is no medical benefit? I'd be very interested to see it. Also, when you say "babys" [sic] I take it that you mean baby boys, or are you encompassing female circumcision into this?

[Firewire]

I don't think it should be banned, because it doesn't cause the baby any medical defects when they grow up if they have had a circumcision, just less sensitivity. Also, the baby doesn't remember it. I don't think it should be banned. I wouldn't circumcise my children if I had any though, I don't think there's anything wrong with foreskin (this is if no medical circumcision is needed).

EDIT: This is just my view, I wouldn't get it done to any of my children if I had any, but this doesn't mean I think it should be banned.

[Firewire]

The poll doesn't make sense, 'to cut or not to cut?' with yes or no answers.

[Sam:)]

Where is the proof that there is no medical benefit? I'd be very interested to see it. Also, when you say "babys" [sic] I take it that you mean baby boys, or are you encompassing female circumcision into this?

This is a decision that many parents face. There are many misconceptions and out-of-date information that parents may read. Here is a summary of the pertinent issues that you should consider when making this decision.

Medical benefits - THERE ARE NONE! Do not circumcise your baby because you think there are some medical benefits. A recent review by the American Academy of Pediatrics looked at all the data from the past decades to see if there truly were any medical benefits. Their conclusion - NO. There are no significant medical benefits that make circumcision worth doing. Here are a few benefits that we used to think were true, and now know are not.


Cleanliness - although it is true, a circumcised penis does not collect any white stuff underneath the foreskin like an intact penis does, THIS IS NOT A MEDICAL BENEFIT. It is really just one less area to wash in the shower.


Decreased risk of STD's - this was a myth that we now know is not true.


Decreased risk of penile cancer - it used to be thought that circumcised men had a much lower chance of cancer of the penis. We now know that this benefit is much smaller than previously thought. The AAP determined that this benefit is so tiny, it is not worth circumcising for this reason.


Avoiding infections in the foreskin - it is true, occasionally intact foreskins get irritated. This is easily treated with warms soaks and washing. Rarely, the irritated foreskin becomes infected. This requires antibiotics to clear up, but is easily treatable. Even if this does happen once or twice in a person's life, it is not a reason to circumcise at birth.


Avoiding the need to do it later on - very rarely, someone has a problem with recurrent infections in the foreskin that need antibiotic treatment. Some of these men then need to be circumcised in an operating room under general anesthesia. This is extremely rare, however, and is not a reason to circumcise everyone at birth.


Avoiding bladder infections - it used to thought that circumcised boys and men had a much lower chance of bladder infections. The AAP now knows that this benefit is very small, and is only true for the first few years of life. After that, there is no difference in the number of bladder infections. Again, not a reason to circumcise.


THEREFORE, IF YOU DECIDE TO CIRCUMCISE YOUR CHILD, DO NOT DO SO BECAUSE YOU THINK THERE IS ANY MEDICAL BENEFIT.

Religious reasons - some people choose to circumcise for religious or cultural reasons. This is a personal decision.


Don't want to be teased - while this may have been true in the U.S. decades ago, the truth is that your uncircumcised kids will be in good company in the locker room when they are teenagers. Less and less people in the U.S. are now circumcising their boys.


Too much trouble to take care of - some people think that an intact penis is too much trouble to pull back and clean, especially during childhood. Well, the truth is, you are not even supposed to pull back the foreskin until it naturally comes back on its own between age 3 years and adolescence. So there really isn't anything to even take care of until then.


Want your boy to look like dad - the main difference that your child will notice between him and dad is the hair. He won't even notice any difference in the penis until he is old enough that you can then explain to him the difference.


So, what are the reasons TO circumcise? Here is the list:
Religious reasons - as discussed above.


That is all. There really is no good reason to circumcise other that personal preference and religious reasons.



Are there any reasons NOT to circumcise? Consider these:

Leave nature alone - whether you believe God created men with a foreskin, or nature simply evolved this way, there must be some reason men have foreskins. Why change something that God/nature has created?


Sensation and sexual pleasure - the foreskin is filled with nerves, and is therefore extremely sensitive to touch. This enhances sexual pleasure.


Protects the glans (head) of the penis - the glans is another highly sensitive area. The foreskin protects the glans from constant rubbing and chaffing against clothing that can desensitize it over the years. This preserves sexual pleasure.


Ethical issues - there are groups of people worldwide, including medical societies, that oppose routine circumcision because they feel it is unethical for a parent to decide to alter the penis of their child without the child's consent. Parents who are deciding whether or not to circumcise their son may wish to consider the impact this may have in the future if the child decides they wish they were not circumcised.
http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/pregnancy-childbirth/whether-or-not-circumcise

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes mutilating children because of some phoney tradition is wrong and barbaric.

I am astounded that any parent would do this?

Putting a ring through a babies nose would cause no ill affect neither would tattooing them..

[Livia]

Copy some page off the Internet written by a doctor you've never heard of is not medical evidence.

I'm a Jew. We've circumcised boys for five thousand years. It's part of our religion.

You didn't mention whether or not you're including female circumcision into the question.

[Legend killer]

i Have got a question what is done with the Foreskin after it has been chopped off, is it just chucked in a bin or something???

[Firewire]

i Have got a question what is done with the Foreskin after it has been chopped off, is it just chucked in a bin or something???

The parents get to keep it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i Have got a question what is done with the Foreskin after it has been chopped off, is it just chucked in a bin or something???

Its used to make most Iphone pouches available today

[Crimson Dynamo]

Copy some page off the Internet written by a doctor you've never heard of is not medical evidence.

I'm a Jew. We've circumcised boys for five thousand years. It's part of our religion.

You didn't mention whether or not you're including female circumcision into the question.


looking at many women i have seen naked i often wonder what had been chopped off to leave such a scar!

[Sam:)]

The poll doesn't make sense, 'to cut or not to cut?' with yes or no answers.

Ino sorry I meant to put the poll answers as to "cut" or "not to cut" but idk why I ended up doing that

[Legend killer]

The parents get to keep it.

Are you being serious

Look im a big fan of the Jews great people but what the **** why would you want to keep that

[Legend killer]

Its used to make most Iphone pouches available today

Lucky i dont have an Iphone than

[Livia]

looking at many women i have seen naked i often wonder what had been chopped off to leave such a scar!

LOL... you're a nightmare.


In answer to the question what happens to the foreskin once it's been chopped off... many foreskins removed in hospital are sold on to the cosmetic industry. Remember that next time you're slapping on the face cream.

[Livia]

Are you being serious

Look im a big fan of the Jews great people but what the **** why would you want to keep that

I think that keeping children's baby-teeth in a box is a bit weird.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think that keeping children's baby-teeth in a box is a bit weird.

Stop doing it then and maybe the local kids will come back round your garden

[Firewire]

Are you being serious

Look im a big fan of the Jews great people but what the **** why would you want to keep that

I'm almost certain the parents can keep it if they want to.

[Livia]

Stop doing it then and maybe the local kids will come back round your garden

Kids don't come anywhere near my garden or I would unleash the hounds.

[Legend killer]

LOL... you're a nightmare.


In answer to the question what happens to the foreskin once it's been chopped off... many foreskins removed in hospital are sold on to the cosmetic industry. Remember that next time you're slapping on the face cream.

PMSL this thread is epic

[Livia]

I'm almost certain the parents can keep it if they want to.

You're right, they can. It does sound weird I guess, but then some people keep that disgusting bit that drops off the baby's belly button, and some people actually eat the placenta after birth! It's packed with iron, apparently. Ewwwwwwww...

[Firewire]

You're right, they can. It does sound weird I guess, but then some people keep that disgusting bit that drops off the baby's belly button, and some people actually eat the placenta after birth! It's packed with iron, apparently. Ewwwwwwww...

That's disgusting! I can't believe people actually do that!

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's disgusting! I can't believe people actually do that!

I remember I was chatting up the nurse when LT junior was being born, she recently had given birth too.

"Your placenta or mine", I asked her

needless to say Mrs LT saw this the wrong way and i was divorced shortly after.

I did bang the nurse so it all ended in a happy note. :spin:

[Legend killer]

Is there like a Foreskin fairy like there is a tooth fairy???

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is there like a Foreskin fairy like there is a tooth fairy???

Patrick?

[Ammi]

Is there like a Foreskin fairy like there is a tooth fairy???
That's just silly, Tinkerbell would never touch a foreskin:nono:

[Livia]

patrick?

lol....

[Firewire]

lmao LT.

[Legend killer]

What a thread Op well played

[Livia]

What a thread Op well played

Well played...how?

[LemonJam]

I was cut as a child (TMI, I know) and it really doesn't bother me at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was cut as a child (TMI, I know) and it really doesn't bother me at all.

Neither would the removal of your earlobes but it is no excuse to do this to babies for some fictitious religious reason.

Many jewish men could do with the extra 2-3mm of length

[Legend killer]

Livia i am applauding him on creating the thread quite simple really

What's not to get???

[Legend killer]

Neither would the removal of your earlobes but it is no excuse to do this to babies for some fictitious religious reason.

Many jewish men could do with the extra 2-3mm of length

PMSL OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

But isnt it Asian men who are suppose to have really small cocks , if it is true i am greatful im not Asian

[CharlieO]

It can prevent Phimosis which in later life can cause infection in the area. Just sayin.

[Jords]

How did it even come about o.o

[Stu]

You're right, they can. It does sound weird I guess, but then some people keep that disgusting bit that drops off the baby's belly button, and some people actually eat the placenta after birth! It's packed with iron, apparently. Ewwwwwwww...
Haha dumb scientologists. Abrahamic monotheistic religions make sooooooooo much more sense.

[Livia]

Many jewish men could do with the extra 2-3mm of length


I am saying nothing for fear of incriminating myself.

[Livia]

Haha dumb scientologists. Abrahamic monotheistic religions make sooooooooo much more sense.

LOL... it's all largely mumbo jumbo, I think we probably agree on that.

[Livia]

Livia i am applauding him on creating the thread quite simple really

What's not to get???

I was wondering how it could have earned a "What a thread Op well played" it was really half a question, followed by a cut and paste job from an obscure website.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would have no where to keep my car keys if i did not have my foreskin

[Legend killer]

^^^ What more do you want a picture of a circumsised penis maybe???

[Crimson Dynamo]

^^^ What more do you want a picture of a circumsised penis maybe???

http://www.thetoyzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/penis_thumb.jpg

[Livia]

^^^ What more do you want a picture of a circumsised penis maybe???

Nah, seen one you've seen 'em all.

Well as you asked... it was stated in the original post that circumcision "has no medical benefits", which is clearly erroneous in the case of males. It didn't make it clear whether the op was talking about baby boys only, or whether the circumcision question related to females also, and when I asked that question it was ignored and a link was posted to some wacky American Doctor no one has ever hard of. Oh, and "babies" was spelt wrong in the title.

[Livia]

http://www.thetoyzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/penis_thumb.jpg

LOL... Is that your own one LT? To scale, perhaps? It's a very funny colour.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LOL... Is that your own one LT? To scale, perhaps? It's a very funny colour.

That is my skin colour you racist.

[Legend killer]

LOL AT THE PIC

And Livia thank you for your detailed response to my message

[Ammi]

LOL... Is that your own one LT? To scale, perhaps? It's a very funny colour.

I'm not phased by the colour, but the size......is that a child's hand?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm not phased by the colour, but the size......is that a child's hand?

how dare you:nono:

i show when i grow

[Livia]

That is my skin colour you racist.

You don't eat Wotsits, do you...?

[Livia]

i'm not phased by the colour, but the size......is that a child's hand?

lol...

[lostalex]

Circumcision does have some medical benefits. I know 2 separate guys that had to have circumcision in their teenage years, and circumcision is much more traumatic when yur older than it is as a baby.

It should be a choice for the parents, it should not be a choice for the government.

People who claim it is "mutilation" or compare it to female gentital mutilation in africa, are extremists.

Circumcised guys are not mutilated at all. It is offensive to say that a circumcised penis is mutilated.

It's like the animal rights extremists that say you are a MURDERER if you eat a hamburger. These people are out of their minds, and exaggerate to the point of making themselves sound ridiculous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Circumcision does have some medical benefits. I know 2 separate guys that had to have circumcision in their teenage years, and circumcision is much more traumatic when yur older than it is as a baby.

It should be a choice for the parents, it should not be a choice for the government.

People who claim it is "mutilation" or compare it to female gentital mutilation in africa, are extremists.

Circumcised guys are not mutilated at all. It is offensive to say that a circumcised penis is mutilated.

It's like the animal rights extremists that say you are a MURDERER if you eat a hamburger. These people are out of their minds, and exaggerate to the point of making themselves sound ridiculous.

It is mutilation. Chopping off a body part that is there for a reason for no other reason than because its what you do if you are a Jew is barbaric.

It has no place in modern society.

Can you imagine suggesting it if the Jews had not started the silly tradition?

People would think you were both mad and barbaric.

[lostalex]

It is mutilation. Chopping off a body part that is there for a reason for no other reason than because its what you do if you are a Jew is barbaric.

It has no place in modern society.

Can you imagine suggesting it if the Jews had not started the silly tradition?

People would think you were both mad and barbaric.

COmplete and utter CRAP. There is a big difference between getting a piercing in yur nose, and having yur nose chopped off. SOme wacko's might say just getting a piercing in yur nose is "mutilation". Male circumcision when done professionally is like getting your nose pierced. Real Genital Mutilation is like having your nose cut off. Male circumcision is NOT mutilation. African female Circumcision IS mutilation.

There is a HUGE difference. And the more you try to use the extremist language of "mutilation" the more you hurt your own cause.

I'm circumcised, and i can assure you i am NOT "mutilated".

Maybe if you stopped shrieking and using extremist language, you'd have more people listen to you.

You have some serious nerve to try and tell me about MY own body, srsly. How dare you.

[joeysteele]

I voted no,they should not be banned.

I think it's something that needs to be left to the medical profession and I think we would tread a hard road if attempts to ban it for religious purposes were also tried.

[Crimson Dynamo]

COmplete and utter CRAP. There is a big difference between getting a piercing in yur nose, and having yur nose chopped off. SOme wacko's might say just getting a piercing in yur nose is "mutilation". Male circumcision when done professionally is like getting your nose pierced. Real Genital Mutilation is like having your nose cut off. Male circumcision is NOT mutilation. African female Circumcision IS mutilation.

There is a HUGE difference. And the more you try to use the extremist language of "mutilation" the more you hurt your own cause.

I'm circumcised, and i can assure you i am NOT "mutilated".

Maybe if you stopped shrieking and using extremist language, you'd have more people listen to you.

You have some serious nerve to try and tell me about MY own body, srsly. How dare you.

The skin on the end of your penis has been removed without your consent due to a sky fairy tale and you are defending it?

It is both mutilation and child abuse. Mutilation is not extremist it is the act of
physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body.

It is all of the above. Can you explain to the forum why your foreskin was chopped off?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I voted no,they should not be banned.

I think it's something that needs to be left to the medical profession and I think we would tread a hard road if attempts to ban it for religious purposes were also tried.

It has nowt to do with the medical profession it is done by Jews who want to be different.

[lostalex]

The skin on the end of your penis has been removed without your consent due to a sky fairy tale and you are defending it?

It is both mutilation and child abuse. Mutilation is not extremist it is the act of
physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body.

It is all of the above. Can you explain to the forum why your foreskin was chopped off?

Tradition. Can you explain to the forum why you have pierced ears, or any tattoos? or perhaps if yur muslim, why you choose to wear hijab. Have yu ever dyed your hair? or worn high heel shoes?

You do these things because of culture and tradition.

There are actually children being REALLY abused in this world. For you to focus on this issue compared to actual HORRORS children suffer aropund the world, makes you seem petty and unintelligent.

This whole circumciscion thing is a populist issue, no doubt. Europeans feel threraqtened by American movies and culture which ridicule uncut guys, but hey, swallow yur pride, and focus on REAL child abuse.

srsly. yur making yurself sound as crazy as PETA people.

I'm circumsized, i was not traumatized by it, and i was not mutilated by it.

I speak from first hand experience. I reallty don't give a flying crap what you think, cause yur telling me that i'm a victim, and i'm telling you FLAT OUT, LISTEN UP

I Am NOT A VICTIM. did you hear me? I'm circumcized, are you? so maybe i know a bit more than you do about it.

FFS. Are you going to bother to listen? or are you too busy congratulating yourself on your moral crusade?

and for you to call me mutilated is incredibly offensive. do you go around calling people cripples and ****zes too? who the EFFF are you?

[joeysteele]

It has nowt to do with the medical profession it is done by Jews who want to be different.

No it isn't there is a condition believed to be caused by Diabetes,that makes for very painful foreskin and problems in moving it.

It is then sometimes that only circumcision treats that problem done at urology depts in hospitals.
There can be lots of health matters relating to circumcision being done in the end,look up balanitis, I think it's called.

(I have just seen that this thread is talking about Baby's though,if it's Jewish custom to do so and the parents agree,I don't feel I have any right to say otherwise.
My point remains valid, circumcision is an option though for foreskin problems that cannot be cured by other means like creams and antibiotics).

[lostalex]

It has nowt to do with the medical profession it is done by Jews who want to be different.

Just for the record i'm not Jewish, but i think based on this statement from you, we all now know where yur real issues lie. You use this as your excuse to be anti-semetic. I'm sure you also have some strong opinions on the right of Israel to be a sovereign jewish state, am i right?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just for the record i'm not Jewish, but i think based on this statement from you, we all now know where yur real issues lie. You use this as your excuse to be anti-semetic. I'm sure you also have some strong opinions on the right of Israel to be a sovereign jewish state, am i right?

I dislike all religions not just the silly jewish one.

Can you explain why your parents mutilated you as a child. What is the reason?

[Sam:)]

The point I was trying to make is that it also said on that C4 sex show that there is no medical benifits! If there is no medical benefits does this not make it a COSMETIC PROCEDURE. I mean some people have to get it done for medical reasons but why should a baby be subject to such a pointless procedure.

[lostalex]

I dislike all religions not just the silly jewish one.

Can you explain why your parents mutilated you as a child. What is the reason?

#1. My parents don't owe an explaination to you


#2. I don't owe an explaination to you.

I've dtold you how i feel, as a person who has FIRST hand experience with this. I don't need to explain it further, i didn't need to explain it to begin with.

The fact is, it's absolutely NONE of your business. You talk as if you have been damaged in some way. Have you ben damaged? if not, then keep yur ignorant (yes, if you are not cut, then yu are ignorant) opinion to yourself.

As a person who has been circumcised i can assure you, it is not mutilation, it is not damaging, it is not wrong.

But i guess you don't want to hear that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

#1. My parents don't owe an explaination to you


#2. I don't owe an explaination to you.

I've dtold you how i feel, as a person who has FIRST hand experience with this. I don't need to explain it further, i didn't need to explain it to begin with.

The fact is, it's absolutely NONE of your business. You talk as if you have been damaged in some way. Have you ben damaged? if not, then keep yur ignorant (yes, if you are not cut, then yu are ignorant) opinion to yourself.

As a person who has been circumcised i can assure you, it is not mutilation, it is not damaging, it is not wrong.

But i guess you don't want to hear that.


So you dont know why. brilliant. :rolleyes:

[lostalex]

So you dont know why. brilliant. :rolleyes:


...remind me again why I or anyone else owes ANY KIND OF EXPLANATION TO YOU!???

you don't listen. you are a truly ignorant person. Every person who has ever received money in exchange for trying to educate you should be ashamed of themselves. They failed miserably.

[CharlieO]

There are benefits to circumcision. (would have copied and pasted from the website but it wouldn't let me)

http://i54.tinypic.com/20rwqb4.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/jg3575.jpg

[Sam:)]

There are benefits to circumcision. (would have copied and pasted from the website but it wouldn't let me)

http://i54.tinypic.com/20rwqb4.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/jg3575.jpg

1.The risk of getting a urinary tract infection is decreased because the urethra is protected by the foreskin,the foreskins main purpose is to protect the head and produce oils.

2.There is no cancer risk from being circumcised.

3.There is no increase in the chance of getting an STD from unprotected sex!

4.The penis looks practically the same when your erect and that's when the girls see it.

Yes up to 10% may need to be circumcised for medical reasons but about 6 in 100 people in the UK have appendicitis sometime in their life requiring the need for there appendix to be removed! Why don't we remove the appendix at birth.

[CharlieO]

Yes but its far easier for a persons ego to go to the doctor and get you appendix out than having the courage for a young teenager to get their knob out in front of a doctor or tell their parents they have a problem down there.

But I don't see why this is even a debate. Some people get it some people don't. Its not like it scars the baby emotionally so I don't see the problem. And not having it is fine as well. Its just a parental choice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes but its far easier for a persons ego to go to the doctor and get you appendix out than having the courage for a young teenager to get their knob out in front of a doctor or tell their parents they have a problem down there.

But I don't see why this is even a debate. Some people get it some people don't. Its not like it scars the baby emotionally so I don't see the problem. And not having it is fine as well. Its just a parental choice.

As far as i am aware no one in their right mind would do this to a child unless it was medically necessary (unusual) or you are a jew.

I have never heard of a parent do it for any other reason

[lostalex]

The truth is, let's really look at this, who are these extremists that want to make laws on our bodies really targeting. They are targeting Americans, and they are targeting Jews.

This is a political issue for them. These people are racists and anti-semites. That is the real issue behind this conversation. They try to talk in code, but we can see right through them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

...remind me again why I or anyone else owes ANY KIND OF EXPLANATION TO YOU!???

you don't listen. you are a truly ignorant person. Every person who has ever received money in exchange for trying to educate you should be ashamed of themselves. They failed miserably.

Its a forum

we are discussing circumcision

you are taking part and posting opinions


Its not like I have just rung your doorbell and started asking you questions. :hugesmile:

(and btw, when you start with the personal attacks, even lame ones, it kind of shows the forum that you cant defend your position...)

[CharlieO]

As far as i am aware no one in their right mind would do this to a child unless it was medically necessary (unusual) or you are a jew.

I have never heard of a parent do it for any other reason

Lots of Americans have it done for non-medical/religious reasons. There is no imminent problem with having it done or not having it done so I really don't see the problem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The truth is, let's really look at this, who are these extremists that want to make laws on our bodies really targeting. They are targeting Americans, and they are targeting Jews.

This is a political issue for them. These people are racists and anti-semites. That is the real issue behind this conversation. They try to talk in code, but we can see right through them.


oh dear

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lots of Americans have it done for non-medical/religious reasons. There is no imminent problem with having it done or not having it done so I really don't see the problem.

Lots? how many and and what age?

[Sam:)]

The truth is, let's really look at this, who are these extremists that want to make laws on our bodies really targeting. They are targeting Americans, and they are targeting Jews.

This is a political issue for them. These people are racists and anti-semites. That is the real issue behind this conversation. They try to talk in code, but we can see right through them.

I'm not targeting Jews or Americans, I'm not talking about banning it completely, I'm just saying it does not make sense to subject a baby to such an unneceseray surgery. That and its the child's body and it is the child who has to live with it so should it not be the child's choice.

[CharlieO]

Lots? how many and and what age?

In 2000 over 80% of american males were circumcised. That has since decreased to just over 40%. And 70% of those are done in infancy.

The UK around is supposedly less than 1%. So yes lots compared with here.

[lostalex]

Lots? how many and and what age?

Since yur so into statistics, why don't you tell us, out of all of the MILLIONS of men that are circumcised, how many of them suffered any horrible consequence because of it?

How about you start giving us some statistics.

Tell me, how many men are circumcised, and what percentage of those men,m have suffered any kind of ill health, or problems because of it.

When are you gonna start showing us some real numbers? Tell us what percentage of circumcised men would call themselves "mutilated"?

You've got a big mouth, and so far nothing to back it up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

In 2000 over 80% of american males were circumcised. That has since decreased to just over 40%. And 70% of those are done in infancy.

The UK around is supposedly less than 1%. So yes lots compared with here.

Yes but we are talking about non jewish.

How many non-jewish americans are circumcised

[Crimson Dynamo]

Since yur so into statistics, why don't you tell us, out of all of the MILLIONS of men that are circumcised, how many of them suffered any horrible consequence because of it?

How about you start giving us some statistics.

Tell me, how many men are circumcised, and what percentage of those men,m have suffered any kind of ill health, or problems because of it.

When are you gonna start showing us some real numbers? Tell us what percentage of circumcised men would call themselves "mutilated"?

You've got a big mouth, and so far nothing to back it up.

Sure, but first point me to the post that states that there are "horrible consequences" or "ill health"

Just the #number will be fine

[CharlieO]

That kind of information isn't available online easily so I can not tell you exactly but it does tell you only 1.4% of America are jewish so that would make 38.6% of non-american males circumcised considering all the jews in America are circumcised. Happy?

[Livia]

Yes but we are talking about non jewish.

How many non-jewish americans are circumcised

It's different in the US. A lot more gentiles* are circumcised in the US than in the UK.

*Just lining you up for the inevitable genitals joke.

[lostalex]

Sure, but first point me to the post that states that there are "horrible consequences" or "ill health"

Just the #number will be fine

Oic, so you want to ban it, even though it doesn't cause any harm to anyone?? WHAT are you TALKING ABOUT!!?? suppossedly yur entiure argument is that it MUTILATES men.

Are yur now admitting that no, it DOESN'T mutilate people??

pick a position and stick with it., It's hard to argue with someone that doesn't know what they are arguing.

[Livia]

Oic, so you want to ban it, even though it doesn't cause any harm to anyone?? WHAT are you TALKING ABOUT!!?? suppossedly yur entiure argument is that it MUTILATES men.

Some women prefer it. Just saying....

[lostalex]

Some women prefer it. Just saying....

Some men prefer it too. ;) just saying...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oic, so you want to ban it, even though it doesn't cause any harm to anyone?? WHAT are you TALKING ABOUT!!?? suppossedly yur entiure argument is that it MUTILATES men.

Are yur now admitting that no, it DOESN'T mutilate people??

pick a position and stick with it., It's hard to argue with someone that doesn't know what they are arguing.

are you drunk?

[Crimson Dynamo]

That kind of information isn't available online easily so I can not tell you exactly but it does tell you only 1.4% of America are jewish so that would make 38.6% of non-american males circumcised considering all the jews in America are circumcised. Happy?

Thankfully it is a rapidly dwindling number and should die out fairly soon

[lostalex]

are you drunk?

i'm not the one that's not making sense. You just asked me to link to the post where you say it causes medical problems and ill health. You've been saying it's MUTILATION this entire thread. i'm sorry, but umm, doesn't mutilation imply that it's a PROBLEM and causes medical PROBLEMS...??

IF not, then what did you mean by "mutilation"?? cause we must have very different understandings of the word MUTILATION.

So are you admitting then that it doesn't actually cause problems for people? and if you admit that, then why the EFF are you arguing that it should be banned?

[CharlieO]

Thankfully it is a rapidly dwindling number and should die out fairly soon

Why thankfully. It makes no difference. So what is the problem?

[Crimson Dynamo]

i'm not the one that's not making sense. You just asked me to link to the post where you say it causes medical problems and ill health. You've been saying it's MUTILATION this entire thread. i'm sorry, but umm, doesn't mutilation imply that it's a PROBLEM and causes medical PROBLEMS...??

IF not, then what did you mean by "mutilation"?? cause we must have very different understandings of the word MUTILATION.

Yes, you dont understand what the word means.

[Crimson Dynamo]

At least 5 studies have shown that two thirds of therapeutic circumcisions conducted by the NHS are unnecessary. The BMA's Michael Wilks has admitted on the BBC that the majority of 'medical' circumcisions are 'unnecessary and premature'. If you're a man circumcised in the UK to resolve a medical issue, we estimate there is a 90% chance that you could have kept your foreskin by using some cream or doing some stretching exercises for a few weeks.

http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_wrong.html

[lostalex]

At least 5 studies have shown that two thirds of therapeutic circumcisions conducted by the NHS are unnecessary. The BMA's Michael Wilks has admitted on the BBC that the majority of 'medical' circumcisions are 'unnecessary and premature'. If you're a man circumcised in the UK to resolve a medical issue, we estimate there is a 90% chance that you could have kept your foreskin by using some cream or doing some stretching exercises for a few weeks.

http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_wrong.html

still waiting for you to give me the statistics about how circumcision is hurting men, and causing misery, and how they are MUTILATED.

the worst you can come up with is that it's "unneccessary"???

People do a lot of "uneccessary" things every day, we don't ban them though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

still waiting for you to give me the statistics about how circumcision is hurting men, and causing misery, and how they are MUTILATED.

the worst you can come up with is that it's "unneccessary"???

People do a lot of "uneccessary" things every day, we don't ban them though.

Mutilating children for superstition is wrong. Circumcision is unnecessary and should be a choice for adults only. That is what is being argued.

[Livia]

Mutilating children for superstition is wrong. Circumcision is unnecessary and should be a choice for adults only. That is what is being argued.

All religions have their traditions. Some might say circumcision of boys is wrong... some might say Catholics instilling children with a sense of guilt that last some of them a lifetime is just as wrong. It's the way it is.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All religions have their traditions. Some might say circumcision of boys is wrong... some might say Catholics instilling children with a sense of guilt that last some of them a lifetime is just as wrong. It's the way it is.

Both are wrong and should be stopped.

[Sam:)]

All religions have their traditions. Some might say circumcision of boys is wrong... some might say Catholics instilling children with a sense of guilt that last some of them a lifetime is just as wrong. It's the way it is.

I'm catholic and we were told by priests, bishops (I live in South Dublin) that if we show remorse we shall be forgiven and should forgive/not judge others. I know circumcision does no damage to anyone but if it has no benifits is it not just a cosmetic surgery. It is not mutilation and is different to female circumcision. I just think it should be the persons choice whether they shall have foreskin.

[CharlieO]

I'm catholic and we were told by priests, bishops (I live in South Dublin) that if we show remorse we shall be forgiven and should forgive/not judge others. I know circumcision does no damage to anyone but if it has no benifits is it not just a cosmetic surgery. It is not mutilation and is different to female circumcision. I just think it should be the persons choice whether they shall have foreskin.

People don't get any other choices about their genital appearance so I don't really see why it matters. I'm sure more people would be able to choose the size of their penis than the small amount of skin on the end but people don't get that choice.

[Livia]

I'm catholic and we were told by priests, bishops (I live in South Dublin) that if we show remorse we shall be forgiven and should forgive/not judge others. I know circumcision does no damage to anyone but if it has no benifits is it not just a cosmetic surgery. It is not mutilation and is different to female circumcision. I just think it should be the persons choice whether they shall have foreskin.


Oh yeah, the Catholic church is all about forgiveness and not judging people.

There you are making the case for your own religion while insisting Jewish boys should not be circumcised despite 5000 years tradition because it's something you thought of in the last few days. Haven't seen anyone on here weeping and moaning about being circumcised. I have never - ever - heard any man moan about the fact they are circumcised. Quite the opposite, in fact.

[Livia]

Sam, you've spelt Amy Winehouse's name wrong on your sig. Is it a mistake or is it a joke I don't get?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sam, you've spelt Amy Winehouse's name wrong on your sig. Is it a mistake or is it a joke I don't get?

haha

[lostalex]

Sam, you've spelt Amy Winehouse's name wrong on your sig. Is it a mistake or is it a joke I don't get? The Queen of Soul's name is spelled Aretha Franklin.

[Livia]

The Queen of Soul's name is spelled Aretha Franklin.

Haha... I love Amy Winehouse, but I have got to agree.