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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14513517
Historian David Starkey has told BBC's Newsnight ''the whites have become black'' in a discussion on the England riots with author and broadcaster Dreda Say Mitchell and the author of Chavs, Owen Jones.
He also hit out at what he called the ''destructive, nihilistic gangster culture'' which he said ''has become the fashion.''
Yeah, he's right ..... it ain't the colour, it's the culture ..... :idc:
It was almost like watching an episode of the office, I was cringing that much!
I really did find it offensive!
Livia
13-08-2011, 02:23 PM
I'm not really siding with him... but... In my local market town the majority of the young people talk in that pseudo-black way that seems to have wiped out all other indiginous accents amongst young people. Most of the young people in that town have probably never had a conversation with a real black person. Know what I'm saying... innit.
I seriously hope Starkey knows that Ali G wasn't a real person.
arista
13-08-2011, 02:30 PM
I seriously hope Starkey knows that Ali G wasn't a real person.
Yes he does.
arista
13-08-2011, 02:31 PM
I'm not really siding with him... but... In my local market town the majority of the young people talk in that pseudo-black way that seems to have wiped out all other indiginous accents amongst young people. Most of the young people in that town have probably never had a conversation with a real black person. Know what I'm saying... innit.
Yes thats the point he made
Crimson Dynamo
13-08-2011, 02:32 PM
In London the feral white youths sound like black youths and copy their clothes and culture
joeysteele
13-08-2011, 03:06 PM
It was almost like watching an episode of the office, I was cringing that much!
I really did find it offensive!
I find most of David Starkeys comments offensive,very few people I feel like that about but I just think he's a bigoted, prejudiced loudmouth.
Why he is invited onto TV so much is a mystery to me.Awful man.
arista
13-08-2011, 04:33 PM
I find most of David Starkeys comments offensive,very few people I feel like that about but I just think he's a bigoted, prejudiced loudmouth.
Why he is invited onto TV so much is a mystery to me.Awful man.
Because the BBC Producer spoke
to him about what he would say
and they knew it would be a Hit
even after the event.
Boothy
13-08-2011, 04:36 PM
Yes he does.
:joker:
Grimnir
14-08-2011, 09:47 AM
f3PJF0YE-x4
Chris Rock sums it up through comedy
and the people he talks about can be white, black, brown, yellow or pink
Crimson Dynamo
14-08-2011, 02:26 PM
f3PJF0YE-x4
Chris Rock sums it up through comedy
and the people he talks about can be white, black, brown, yellow or pink
That is racist:nono:
Iain Duncan Smith: Crackdown on gangs should happen in all areas at the same time
People convicted but not jailed for rioting could be stripped of benefits under plans considered by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith.
He said he would prefer it that such an approach, if adopted, was carried out by the courts and not the government.
Currently, those jailed lose benefits but other punishments, like community service, do not prompt such a loss.
The welfare secretary said he would like to see a system in which benefits were removed as part of the judicial process.
He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We already accept that if people who are receiving benefits do not, are not prepared to seek work, take the work that's available to them, we take the benefit off them. And if you go to prison we take your benefit off you.
"So what we're looking at is, for criminal charges, should we take the benefit? And the answer is yes."
Mr Duncan Smith said he believed most people would recognise that "the first lesson you learn is that, when you do something willingly and you set out to do it that is criminal, then you must bear the consequences of what you do".
Asked about the welfare secretary's comments, Mr Cameron said: "He has my full support".
That may be a step too far - prisoners have their welfare taken care of (at considerable expense) but depriving those on community service of benefits serves no purpose except to encourage further "liberation" of others' goods - they should, of course, be deprived of any "privileges" ..... :idc:
Vicky.
15-08-2011, 01:17 PM
Yeah, because having nothing at all wont make them turn to more crime at all will it. Except this time they will NEED to steal :bored:
joeysteele
15-08-2011, 01:29 PM
Yeah, because having nothing at all wont make them turn to more crime at all will it. Except this time they will NEED to steal :bored:
I watched Ian Duncan Smith today on the news, I found him to be very uncompromising.
As you say the only possible outcome of such a move would have likely more crime committed.
I am beginning to think this Govt is way too extreme,there is alsways a middle way to try before suce extreme measures.
I don't agree with much Cameron is saying at present and also Theresa May, she needs to make her mind up whether she supports the police at all or doesn't. She seems all in a mess at present.A terrible Home Secretary.
Ian Duncan Smith is wrong on this, not to rule it out for the future, but not now as a knee jerk reaction.
I have no respect for the Lib Dems but I hope they stop this nonsense in its tracks and quickly too with their 57 votes in Parliament.
The Govt can get nothing passed without Lib Dem votes.this could be a way back for them to procedd with caution rather than haste.
Vicky.
15-08-2011, 01:35 PM
The Govt can get nothing passed without Lib Dem votes.this could be a way back for them to procedd with caution rather than haste.
I didnt know that. My knowledge of politics is slim to none. In that case I take it the lib dems sold out about the uni fees? Since that was (or I believe it was) their main selling point for the vote?
On topic, they will probably sell out again and just bow down to what the tories want. Spineless bastards.
This is not the solution at all. It will make things 100x worse. Why the **** cant someone who actually has brains be in power? :bored:
Livia
15-08-2011, 01:42 PM
Why the **** cant someone who actually has brains be in power? :bored:
Maybe if more people took more of an interest in politics instead of moaning about the government, things would be different. Politics affects every part of everyone's life and yet so many people say "politics doesn't interest me". Most people couldn't even name their MP let alone their local councillor, and yet they work for you.
Crimson Dynamo
15-08-2011, 01:45 PM
Maybe if more people took more of an interest in politics instead of moaning about the government, things would be different. Politics affects every part of everyone's life and yet so many people say "politics doesn't interest me". Most people couldn't even name their MP let alone their local councillor, and yet they work for you.
is true. What you local council is doing will affect you much more than big govt. Your local planning office will have a lot more impact in your life in 2011 than any inner city looting.
Vicky.
15-08-2011, 01:50 PM
Maybe if more people took more of an interest in politics instead of moaning about the government, things would be different. Politics affects every part of everyone's life and yet so many people say "politics doesn't interest me". Most people couldn't even name their MP let alone their local councillor, and yet they work for you.
I do not need to have knowledge of politics to know that this is a really stupid idea that will do more harm than good. I would think that was just common sense. Apparently not.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14527540
Mr Cameron called for 'urgent action' on troubled families
Prime Minister David Cameron has said he will put "rocket boosters" under work to turn round 120,000 troubled families in the wake of recent rioting.
He said the government should be less sensitive to claims that intervening was "interfering or nannying".
Mr Cameron said bureaucracy was slowing support for families facing multiple problems.
Labour leader David Miliband said parenting was a big issue, but warned against kneejerk reactions.
Mr Cameron has previously championed a drive to "turn around troubled families".
He has sought to boost the use of the family intervention project model.
This seeks to help families who face a combination of problems such as drug and alcohol abuse, illness, mental illness, unemployment, poverty and anti-social behaviour and truancy.
'Problem'
Support can involve allocating a single social worker to gain an overview of the problems facing the family, including having to deal with up to 20 different government agencies and support services.
"We've got to get out there and make a positive difference to the way families work, the way people bring up their children," said Mr Cameron, speaking at a youth centre in Oxfordshire.
"We need more urgent action... on the families that some people call 'problem', others call 'troubled'," he said.
In December, he appointed entrepreneur Emma Harrison as a "family champion", to lead a drive to get workless families back into employment, also using a similar model.
At the time, she said there were thought to be 125,000 that have never worked, and these are the "troubled families" that a lot of social problems "stem from".
However, Mr Cameron said bureaucracy had "held back" this work, and promised to "clear away the red tape".
Most support for families with multiple problems is now run by local authorities, funded by the Early Intervention Grant, which was essentially cut by 11% in 2012.
So where's the money going to come from for this "Big Idea" ...... :conf:
The whole statement seems reminiscent of Cameron's "vision" of the now-discredited and abandoned "Big Society" ..... :rolleyes:
Livia
15-08-2011, 01:57 PM
I do not need to have knowledge of politics to know that this is a really stupid idea that will do more harm than good. I would think that was just common sense. Apparently not.
I'm not saying that you need to have knowledge of politics. If you had sent one tenth of the words you've written on here to your MP, who represents you in parliament, maybe he or she would have a better and more balanced view of with public opinion. At the moment, the ones who's views are being heard are the ones who support the very idea that you're saying is stupid.
MPs are not a different species. They work for you, whether or not you voted for them. The only way they will know how their constituents are thinking is if you let them know.
Livia
15-08-2011, 02:00 PM
Ohhhhh please stop changing the thread title. It's SO annoying.
Livia
15-08-2011, 02:01 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14527540
Mr Cameron called for 'urgent action' on troubled families
So where's the money going to come from for this "Big Idea" ...... :conf:
The whole statement seems reminiscent of Cameron's "vision" of the now-discredited and abandoned "Big Society" ..... :rolleyes:
It's going to come from increasing your council tax.
Mystic Mock
15-08-2011, 02:21 PM
Iain Duncan Smith: Crackdown on gangs should happen in all areas at the same time
That may be a step too far - prisoners have their welfare taken care of (at considerable expense) but depriving those on community service of benefits serves no purpose except to encourage further "liberation" of others' goods - they should, of course, be deprived of any "privileges" ..... :idc:
No take there benefits away,that will teach them what poor is.
Crimson Dynamo
15-08-2011, 02:24 PM
Enoch Powell was in some ways correct and obviously wrong in others but what he said at the time was quite prophetic..
Vicky.
15-08-2011, 02:25 PM
No take there benefits away,that will teach them what poor is.
They already know what poor is. You do know benefits cover the bare essentials of what you need to survive? On JSA you get about £50 a week(or did when I was on it about 4 years ago, probably a little bit more now).
And again, taking what little they have in the first place away from them, will just make crime much much worse. They will HAVE to turn to stealing etc. just to eat :bored:
Mystic Mock
15-08-2011, 02:28 PM
They already know what poor is.
They look well fed to me,and they have clothes,so IMO they arent that poor.
arista
15-08-2011, 02:28 PM
I'm not saying that you need to have knowledge of politics. If you had sent one tenth of the words you've written on here to your MP, who represents you in parliament, maybe he or she would have a better and more balanced view of with public opinion. At the moment, the ones who's views are being heard are the ones who support the very idea that you're saying is stupid.
MPs are not a different species. They work for you, whether or not you voted for them. The only way they will know how their constituents are thinking is if you let them know.
Labour MP's
spent 13 years over funding it all.
Its Time to Get Tough.
Crimson Dynamo
15-08-2011, 02:34 PM
They look well fed to me,and they have clothes,so IMO they arent that poor.
All had expensive trainers and mobile phones.
Vicky.
15-08-2011, 02:40 PM
They look well fed to me,and they have clothes,so IMO they arent that poor.
What a strange way to look at things.
You think all poor people walk round naked?
Vicky.
15-08-2011, 02:41 PM
All had expensive trainers and mobile phones.
Well they certainly do now. And plasmas ;)
Mystic Mock
15-08-2011, 02:42 PM
What a strange way to look at things.
You think all poor people walk round naked?
I meant clean clothes.
Vicky.
15-08-2011, 02:42 PM
I meant clean clothes.
Still...
Mystic Mock
15-08-2011, 02:45 PM
Still...
Still nothing,if they look like they have washed themselves,look well fed,have clean clothes,and have a home to live in then they are not that poor IMO,especially if they have alot of computer stuff aswell.
Vicky.
15-08-2011, 02:48 PM
Still nothing,if they look like they have washed themselves,look well fed,have clean clothes,and have a home to live in then they are not that poor IMO,especially if they have alot of computer stuff aswell.
The kids in africa wash themselves. Does this mean they arent poor? Some even have clothes.
I do get what you are saying, but the way it is coming across is bloody ridiculous and a bit hysterical tbh:laugh:
And yeah, some people on the dole have loads of computer stuff etc. But many many dont. Its unfair to judge everyone based on a few you have seen.
Personally I would love to know how some of the people out of work can afford things that I cant afford now. When I was on jobseekers I really did struggle to get just the basics :/
Crimson Dynamo
15-08-2011, 02:50 PM
I was very disappointed with the talent on show re: the looters. The girls involved were all dogs and the outfits were very fattening.
Vicky.
15-08-2011, 02:51 PM
I was very disappointed with the talent on show re: the looters. The girls involved were all dogs and the outfits were very fattening.
The ones protesting AGAINST the looters though :evilgrin:
Crimson Dynamo
15-08-2011, 03:01 PM
The ones protesting AGAINST the looters though :evilgrin:
are you referring to the looters are scum one?
Vicky.
15-08-2011, 03:04 PM
are you referring to the looters are scum one?
There were a few pictured wearing tshirts that said stuff like that. the majority were pretty nice ;)
joeysteele
15-08-2011, 03:44 PM
No take there benefits away,that will teach them what poor is.
I see where you are coming from jf and you know I near always agree with you, however,If you take thier benefits away and make them homeless is that going to stop them commitiing crimes or is it likely to make them even more likely to commit crime,this time though, as Vicky says, not just of just pure greed but partly to survive.
Time I think is needed to make sure this gets done fairly and right, if the govt does as it says it will, continue to force cuts in the Police force, then criminals will have more easier access to crime.
Maybe its time to go right back to the drawing board and find out how best to end these kind of riots and crime not jump straight into polices that will likely inflame the situation and so mean much more crime.
bananarama
15-08-2011, 04:09 PM
Labour MP's
spent 13 years over funding it all.
Its Time to Get Tough.
The Tory government spent 18 years creating high unemployment..Which resulted in high rates of robbery and anti social beahvour and dirty hospitals.....
The blame game is foolish.......All political parties over decades are responsible for the social decay......
bananarama
15-08-2011, 04:19 PM
The benefits argument is a tricky one as one can see both sides of the debate.
However my logic is if they thieve while on benefits then taking benefits away won't change anything as they are theiving anyhow......
I do wish as part of punishment they were made to do community work to pay off the cost of their actions as well as the punishment served. We are still madly too soft on criminal activities.
Binge drinking and drug taking yobs should be made to pay full medical costs if they are arrested for damage and harm to others. They should also be made to pay full cost of police attendance/court appearances & any ambualnce crews that have to wast time with such out of their mind idiots....
Ohhhhh please stop changing the thread title. It's SO annoying.
I have been advised by forum moderators that I should not create too many threads about the same topic and that I may edit thread titles to reflect my latest post, if it is an update ..... ;)
arista
15-08-2011, 04:25 PM
The Tory government spent 18 years creating high unemployment..Which resulted in high rates of robbery and anti social beahvour and dirty hospitals.....
The blame game is foolish.......All political parties over decades are responsible for the social decay......
Sure.
But The Blame Game is what Labour are doing right now.
So Labour Today are Foolish.
Nice to see you posting again
Love your Spirit
Crimson Dynamo
15-08-2011, 04:40 PM
The Tory government spent 18 years creating high unemployment..Which resulted in high rates of robbery and anti social beahvour and dirty hospitals.....
The blame game is foolish.......All political parties over decades are responsible for the social decay......
People are responsible for themselves. Government my arse.
It's going to come from increasing your council tax.
That's what I thought ..... :laugh3:
joeysteele
15-08-2011, 08:20 PM
I didnt know that. My knowledge of politics is slim to none. In that case I take it the lib dems sold out about the uni fees? Since that was (or I believe it was) their main selling point for the vote?
On topic, they will probably sell out again and just bow down to what the tories want. Spineless bastards.
This is not the solution at all. It will make things 100x worse. Why the **** cant someone who actually has brains be in power? :bored:
That is exactly right Vicky,as a Student I was almost stalked as were all other Students by Lib Dem candidates promising that we could trust them and that they would 'never in any circumstances' all their words, support cuts being made in the first year of Parliament or support the raising of tuition fees.
It was my first ever vote in an election and for my sins I trusted them,I never will again.
Yes though, the only way the Conservatives can govern and can get policies passed in Parliament is with the Lib Dems 57 votes, the only other allies to the Conservatives are the D.U.P. in Northern Ireland but they only have 8 MPs,so they cannot help the Conservatives.
Every party,except the Conservatives, that stood in the election was against cuts in the first year while the recovery was weak and also any rise in tuition fees either.
Only the Lib Dems supported opposite policies once they got the votes trusted to them and the seats they won from those votes.
I just hope the Lib Dems force the Govt to throw out knee jerk policies that are very badly presented, badly thought out and plain wrong.
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