ITV to make a joint bid for Endemol?

[MTVN]

Just heard them talk about this on the radio, the Telegraph is running this story tomorrow apparently, couldn't find on their site but it's mentioned here (http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL5E7JT1UL20110830)

ITV could form a joint venture with Silvio Berlusconi's Mediaset to buy Endemol, the debt-ridden TV production company behind 'Big Brother'. The deal is one of a number of options being discussed by Mediaset.


Strange story if true, dunno why those two companies would be jointly making a bid, doesn't bode well for BB's future on 5

[Kerry]

Doesn't really bode well for BB by the sounds of it. Too many fingers in pies and all that

[GypsyGoth]

I hate Silvio Berlusconi.

[CharlieO]

It might not change anything, ITV can't take all their shows. It may be purely financial.

[Patrick]

Oh My Days. :shocked:

[Callum]

I hate Silvio Berlusconi.

[2]

[Joelle.]

I hate Silvio Berlusconi.

[3] Hes a chauvanistic pig as well. :bored:

[Patrick]

My future is ruined.

They'll axe Big Brother and when they axe Big Brother then there won't be a Series 15 - and if there isn't a BB15 then I won't be able to go on the show at all.

This is my whole life down the ******ing drain.

Now I'm going to have to like, get a job and do well in school and sh*t!

[keithafc]

Will axe Big Brother if they get Endemol unless people would be happy if it is stuck on ITV2.

[CharlieO]

It's a joint venture so it does not necessarily mean BB is affected at all.

[joeysteele]

It's a joint venture so it does not necessarily mean BB is affected at all.

I agree, it's too early to speculate what may or may not happen, also they haven't reached any deal yet either.

Hopefully BB won't be affected and current contracts and also near planned ones for the future that may already be 'pencilled in' will be fully honoured.

[Sawyer]

I don't understand why all you idiots are jumping on the band wagon insisting this doesn't bode well for BB's future. I don't get it. At the end of the day, Endemol is a business, with Big Brother being their most popular and export, ITV wouldn't just cut it because they don't like it. Besides which, there is no information to suggest anything would happen to BB, Deal or No Deal or any other gameshow. It's ridiculous assumption based on no real evidence.

Where does it say Big Brother will be affected. It's simply a buy-out of a debt ridden company which would actually do nothing but good for the company (and even possibly Big Brother).

[joeysteele]

I don't understand why all you idiots are jumping on the band wagon insisting this doesn't bode well for BB's future. I don't get it. At the end of the day, Endemol is a business, with Big Brother being their most popular and export, ITV wouldn't just cut it because they don't like it. Besides which, there is no information to suggest anything would happen to BB, Deal or No Deal or any other gameshow. It's ridiculous assumption based on no real evidence.

Where does it say Big Brother will be affected. It's simply a buy-out of a debt ridden company which would actually do nothing but good for the company (and even possibly Big Brother).

Absolutely right.

[Gillian-73]

It might not change anything, ITV can't take all their shows. It may be purely financial.

Indeed! come dine with me is an itv show but airs on another channel, channel 4 in this case.

[Gillian-73]

I don't understand why all you idiots are jumping on the band wagon insisting this doesn't bode well for BB's future. I don't get it. At the end of the day, Endemol is a business, with Big Brother being their most popular and export, ITV wouldn't just cut it because they don't like it. Besides which, there is no information to suggest anything would happen to BB, Deal or No Deal or any other gameshow. It's ridiculous assumption based on no real evidence.

Where does it say Big Brother will be affected. It's simply a buy-out of a debt ridden company which would actually do nothing but good for the company (and even possibly Big Brother).

Agreed!

[MTVN]

I don't understand why all you idiots are jumping on the band wagon insisting this doesn't bode well for BB's future. I don't get it. At the end of the day, Endemol is a business, with Big Brother being their most popular and export, ITV wouldn't just cut it because they don't like it. Besides which, there is no information to suggest anything would happen to BB, Deal or No Deal or any other gameshow. It's ridiculous assumption based on no real evidence.

Where does it say Big Brother will be affected. It's simply a buy-out of a debt ridden company which would actually do nothing but good for the company (and even possibly Big Brother).

It's troubling news because it shows how much trouble the company is in and it's future is going to be a turbulent and unstable one. I believe the contract with Channel 5 is only for 2 years with an option of increasing it for 5, it's possible that new owners of Endemol will be far less inclined to increase that contract; it's a show that most in the mainstream media considered dead in the water and they might want to focus on other shows more, in recent years Deal or no Deal has proven more successful than BB.

And don't call people idiots.

[jsd]

ITV make shows for BBC, etc. so I doubt they'd have a problem doing it for C5 if it made money

[CaudleHalbard]

Surely BB is one of Endemol's biggest earners?

[DigitalSid]

My future is ruined.

They'll axe Big Brother and when they axe Big Brother then there won't be a Series 15 - and if there isn't a BB15 then I won't be able to go on the show at all.

This is my whole life down the ******ing drain.

Now I'm going to have to like, get a job and do well in school and sh*t!

Endemol can't axe Big Brother :D, only C5.

[DigitalSid]

It's troubling news because it shows how much trouble the company is in and it's future is going to be a turbulent and unstable one. I believe the contract with Channel 5 is only for 2 years with an option of increasing it for 5, it's possible that new owners of Endemol will be far less inclined to increase that contract; it's a show that most in the mainstream media considered dead in the water and they might want to focus on other shows more, in recent years Deal or no Deal has proven more successful than BB.

And don't call people idiots.

BB is C5's till 2015 unless C5 axe it next year.

[DigitalSid]

ITV buying Endemol wouldn't affect BB.

[Marc]

They shouldn't have made this series so bad :idc: if it was a success then BB would be kept on. Simple.

[Patrick]

They shouldn't have made this series so bad :idc: if it was a success then BB would be kept on. Simple.

This series is their most successful since 2008?

[Pronshi]

My future is ruined.

They'll axe Big Brother and when they axe Big Brother then there won't be a Series 15 - and if there isn't a BB15 then I won't be able to go on the show at all.

This is my whole life down the ******ing drain.

Now I'm going to have to like, get a job and do well in school and sh*t!


so strange thats what i thought :L

[Black Dagger]

My future is ruined.

They'll axe Big Brother and when they axe Big Brother then there won't be a Series 15 - and if there isn't a BB15 then I won't be able to go on the show at all.

This is my whole life down the ******ing drain.

Now I'm going to have to like, get a job and do well in school and sh*t!

If your life is Big Brother and you feel that you don't have to get a job because you'll keep auditioning for it makes me worry for you.

[MTVN]

BB is C5's till 2015 unless C5 axe it next year.

The contract is 2 years and Endemol only actually have the house until 2013, I don't see how Channel 5 could force them to continue it until 2015 is Endemol were against the idea

[DigitalSid]

The contract is 2 years and Endemol only actually have the house until 2013, I don't see how Channel 5 could force them to continue it until 2015 is Endemol were against the idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Option_contract

[MTVN]

Wow detailed reply. Do you actually have any details of the contract, I've only ever seen Channel 5 confirm that it is for 2 years

[CharlieO]

This series is their most successful since 2008?

It is no more successful than the last few series on 4 and the only slight rise I'd because of giving it a chance on a new channel (remember this is cbb not normal BB), it has gained no substantial amount of new viewers and is therefore a sinking ship. I am willing to bet BB12 rating will drop rapidly and I will admit i was wrong if it doesn't but I doubt it will.

[DigitalSid]

Wow detailed reply. Do you actually have any details of the contract, I've only ever seen Channel 5 confirm that it is for 2 years

Endemol can't stop doing BB before 2015 if C5 pick up the option unless Endemol buy them out of the contract.

[Tom]

Endemol can't stop doing BB before 2015 if C5 pick up the option unless Endemol buy them out of the contract.

The 5 year deal was just speculation before the official announcement of 2 years

Whether or not ITV buy Endemol it will have no impact on Big Brother at all. ITV make plenty of shows for other channels. If anything it boosts comeback chances on ITV2 if Channel 5 decide they dont want it anymore

[MTVN]

The 5 year deal was just speculation before the official announcement of 2 years

Whether or not ITV buy Endemol it will have no impact on Big Brother at all. ITV make plenty of shows for other channels. If anything it boosts comeback chances on ITV2 if Channel 5 decide they dont want it anymore

Yeah I thought that was the case

[DigitalSid]

The 5 year deal was just speculation before the official announcement of 2 years

Whether or not ITV buy Endemol it will have no impact on Big Brother at all. ITV make plenty of shows for other channels. If anything it boosts comeback chances on ITV2 if Channel 5 decide they dont want it anymore

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/mar/31/big-brother-channel-5-to-sign-deal

[MTVN]

The first link was an unconfirmed report before the deal had been completed, the second only refers to it as a 2 year deal not a 5 year one

Also in Channel 5's official confirmation of the deal it is only a two year contract mentioned - http://www.channel5.com/articles/big-brother-comes-to-channel-5

Lol you've now removed that second link

[Tom]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/mar/31/big-brother-channel-5-to-sign-deal

Yeah you've just confirmed my point with that instead of backing up your own

It was on March 31st before the official announcement

Nowhere does it say anything about 2 years and optional 3 years

Channel 5 won't want it after next year, they're only using it to get a new audience watching C5. They have zero commitment to it and long term viewer interest just isn't there anymore

[DigitalSid]

The first link was an unconfirmed report before the deal had been completed, the second only refers to it as a 2 year deal not a 5 year one

Also in Channel 5's official confirmation of the deal it is only a two year contract mentioned - http://www.channel5.com/articles/big-brother-comes-to-channel-5

Lol you've now removed that second link


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/apr/05/big-brother-to-return-this-year

Yeah you've just confirmed my point with that instead of backing up your own

It was on March 31st before the official announcement

Nowhere does it say anything about 2 years and optional 3 years

Channel 5 won't want it after next year, they're only using it to get a new audience watching C5. They have zero commitment to it and long term viewer interest just isn't there anymore

Media Guardian announced the deal before C5, they had inside info:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/apr/05/big-brother-to-return-this-year
http://www.channel5.com/articles/big-brother-comes-to-channel-5

[Tom]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/apr/05/big-brother-to-return-this-year



Media Guardian announced the deal before C5, they had inside info:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/apr/05/big-brother-to-return-this-year

Where in that article does it say about a 5 year deal?

[MTVN]

Err why have you just reposted that link, how the hell does that prove your point, the article says:

Big Brother will be back on the small screen this summer after Richard Desmond's Channel 5 finally concluded eight months of negotiations to buy the format from Endemol in a two-year £200m deal.

Nowhere does it make mention of a 5 year deal

Although that link also clearly didn't know all the details anyway as it says the program will start in 2012

I'm not sure what you're not getting about this; it us a 2 year deal they have and you have no reliable sources that contradict that

[DigitalSid]

Where in that article does it say about a 5 year deal?

First link I posted.

[DigitalSid]

Err why have you just reposted that link, how the hell does that prove your point, the article says:



Nowhere does it make mention of a 5 year deal


First link I posted.


Although that link also clearly didn't know all the details anyway as it says the program will start in 2012

I'm not sure what you're not getting about this; it us a 2 year deal they have and you have no reliable sources that contradict that

"Only in 2012, would Big Brother return to its traditional schedule"

[Tom]

First link I posted.



"Only in 2012, would Big Brother return to its traditional schedule"



But the second article is an updated version of the first article. The first article is just speculation, the second was more official with more solid info. If it was a 5 year deal it would have said in the second article

All original schedule means is that it will air in January/June next year not that it will stay like that for another 4 years

[Stu]

This series is their most successful since 2008?
Based on what? It's just the same 2.5 million who watched BB10 who are watching this. It's a great rating for Channel 5 but it's the most underperforming Big Brother in history. It had far more hype than BB10 and the draw of celebrities and the fancy new production yet it's getting the exact same figures.

Unless your suggesting we continue to blame it on the channel? I don't buy that. People know Big Brother is on Channel 5 and they know how to use a remote.

A great coup for the channel but calling it the most successful Big Brother since 2008 is insane. And CBB7 rated higher than BB9, by the way. Bias getting in the way of facts and all that.

It's just another show now. One that's doing very well for it's home.

[MTVN]

First link I posted.



"Only in 2012, would Big Brother return to its traditional schedule"

Oh Jesus are you intentionally completely missing the obvious to avoid admitting you were wrong?

I don't know how to make it clearer; the first link is to an article written before the deal was done

Since the deal was completed every single source has confirmed it to be a 2 year deal

Comprende?

[I.am.the.invisible.member]

Here the link below:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/8729658/ITV-Mediaset-in-talks-to-buy-Big-Brother-owner-Endemol.html

ITV refuses to comment on move for Big Brother producer Endemol:

http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/6867/investing-strategy/itv-refuses-to-comment-on-move-for-big-brother-producer-endemol.html

[I.am.the.invisible.member]

just realised it to but the company not big brother it self but hey who know, just thought id put it out there, all news related!

[Pyramid*]

just realised it to but the company not big brother it self but hey who know, just thought id put it out there, all news related!

helps to read your own links sometimes !!! :joker:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Also theres also a thread about this.

[Pyramid*]

Also theres also a thread about this.


aha...but at the time the OP put up this thread, was the other thread on the first 3 pages on the main board!!!!! ;)

the forum is quieter than a graveyard - even with CBB on - I'm not sure it's a real big issue, all things considered!!

[MTVN]

I've merged the two threads, yeah the other one was probably 2 or 3 pages back but then I dont think there's much point discussing the same thing twice in two different threads

[Pyramid*]

Oh Jesus are you intentionally completely missing the obvious to avoid admitting you were wrong?

I don't know how to make it clearer; the first link is to an article written before the deal was done

Since the deal was completed every single source has confirmed it to be a 2 year deal

Comprende?

Deary me MTVN. quite a rude and patronising reply above, is it not!! :o:o

you may as well have chucked this in for good measure. :D

http://drivefs2010.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/capiche.jpg

[MTVN]

:laugh: Well I was finding it a bit frustrating