Gym

[Kerry]

If there was a punchbag in the house (think there was one in celeb BB that was regularly used??) and Jay had used that instead of a pillow in the garden it wouldn't have even been mentioned. Why the hell is everyone getting so uptight cos he hit a pillow ?? Explain a difference

[cell]

No difference. Haters wanna hate.

[Jords]

Looked like a right bellend tonight.

[Kerry]

Looked like a right bellend tonight.

Never said he didn't. Just want to know what the difference was. If he'd been in a gym it wouldn't have been mentioned

[Vicky.]

I think there still would be a fuss over it tbh, it was just the pure aggression behind it...and the fact that you could just tell he was picturing the pillow was harry. And that it came after him saying he wanted to beat harry up in the DR.

Also the fact that he got that mad over food...especially after wasting some himself too :bored:

[Samuel.]

Punchbags are made for punching, pillows are not...

There's a difference between working out and showing that kind of aggression

[Kerry]

Punchbags are made for punching, pillows are not...

There's a difference between working out and showing that kind of aggression

Boxers have fecked it then

[InOne]

You could just imagine him doing that to someones face after a night on the toon. Pure vile thug.

[Jordan.]

I'd have the same opinion on it whatever inanimate object he hit

[Vicky.]

Boxers have fecked it then

Bit of a moot point really, Jay is not a boxer...

[Kerry]

Bit of a moot point really, Jay is not a boxer...

Just pointing out that punchbags are not simply for that

Either way, I think he's been portrayed badly. That said, still not a fan of his. Not a fan of any of them right now

[Cromwell1900]

If there was a punchbag in the house (think there was one in celeb BB that was regularly used??) and Jay had used that instead of a pillow in the garden it wouldn't have even been mentioned. Why the hell is everyone getting so uptight cos he hit a pillow ?? Explain a difference

I agree, and now certain individuals are suggesting he's the type to hit women:nono:

If everyone had reacted appropriately i.e been mad at Harry Jay's reaction may of been seen different, as it is No real food for 7 days looks like a bit of a laugh and Jay's reacted intolerably

[InOne]

Just pointing out that punchbags are not simply for that

Either way, I think he's been portrayed badly. That said, still not a fan of his. Not a fan of any of them right now

You are now officially a fan of Faye.

[rk3388]

Just pointing out that punchbags are not simply for that

Either way, I think he's been portrayed badly. That said, still not a fan of his. Not a fan of any of them right now

me neither ! lol , i liked tashie and hheaven but...

[Vicky.]

Either way, I think he's been portrayed badly.

Gotta disagree on that, they are finally showing all sides to Jay. Guess the freezergate backlash was too much for them and now they have to be more fair in the editing :tongue:

[rk3388]

tbh im acually kinda glad someone isnt afraid to show all their sides. half of them would never raise there voice

[Kerry]

I agree, and now certain individuals are suggesting he's the type to hit women:nono:

If everyone had reacted appropriately i.e been mad at Harry Jay's reaction may of been seen different, as it is No real food for 7 days looks like a bit of a laugh and Jay's reacted intolerably

I might have known. Pretty typical narrowmindedness. There is no 'type' to hit women. I know that much.......

[Vicky.]

tbh im acually kinda glad someone isnt afraid to show all their sides. half of them would never raise there voice

Agreed. Despite all his bad points, Jay is making fantastic viewing right now

[vesavius]

If there was a punchbag in the house (think there was one in celeb BB that was regularly used??) and Jay had used that instead of a pillow in the garden it wouldn't have even been mentioned. Why the hell is everyone getting so uptight cos he hit a pillow ?? Explain a difference

Well, first off your basic assumption is false, so it follows your question based on it is.

I don't care if it is a pillow or a punchbag. Thats not the point.

Jay has an unstable and violent temper. He was not only in a rage following the prank, he was still violently frustrated over an HOUR later, needing to hit something for an extended time. Outside the house it obviously would not have been a pillow used, and that obviously was part of his frustration.

Did you see the other HM faces? They were scared... genuinely disturbed by what they saw (except the vile Louise that is ofc). No one in that house should feel intimidated, controlled by the threat of barely suppressed violent anger from another HM.

[cell]

The best part of the episode was when Jay calmed down and talked to Harry and said "poor Tom is going to suffer, he is the smallest we're going to eat him first" I laughed about a minute straight.

[Kerry]

Well, first off your basic assumption is false, so it follows your question based on it is.

I don't care if it is a pillow or a punchbag. Thats not the point.

Jay has an unstable and violent temper. He was not only in a rage following the prank, he was still violently frustrated over an HOUR later, needing to hit something for an extended time. Outside the house it obviously would not have been a pillow used, and that obviously was part of his frustration.

Did you see the other HM faces? They were scared... genuinely disturbed by what they saw (except the vile Louise that is ofc). No one in that house should feel intimidated, controlled by the threat of barely suppressed violent anger from another HM.

And you know this HOW exactly? He got into the house HOW exactly with this "unstable and violent temper" ?

Don't call my "assumptions" false when you are doing precisely the same

[joeysteele]

Boxers and others do use punchbags to train and vent anger that is true. Jay tonight though was angry and wound up at one individual, Harry.
He felt the need after a fair time to not only shout his head off and throw things all over and in the pool, but to make a threat as to Harry in the diary room,surprisingly ignored by BB and to then have to spend a fair time punching into a pillow/cushion.

All he would likely be thinking was that pillow/cushion was in fact Harry, that is what is vastly different from sportsmen training with punchbags and the inward violent aggression Jay had in him at that time.

[vesavius]

And you know this HOW exactly? He got into the house HOW exactly with this "unstable and violent temper" ?

Don't call my "assumptions" false when you are doing precisely the same

Kerry... mine are not assumptions are they?

I witnessed his violent rage tonight, which went on for well over an hour, and thats was just what we saw.

How did he get in to the house? I am asking myself the same thing.

[Kerry]

I think people have the bigger problem because it was Harry. If he was angry at another big male (had there been one) in the house people would have willed on a fight

Bloody fickle

[Merry Mockmas]

I think there still would be a fuss over it tbh, it was just the pure aggression behind it...and the fact that you could just tell he was picturing the pillow was harry. And that it came after him saying he wanted to beat harry up in the DR.

Also the fact that he got that mad over food...especially after wasting some himself too :bored:

Thank you Vicky,you posted everything that I couldnt be bothered to post.

[Vicky.]

I think people have the bigger problem because it was Harry. If he was angry at another big male (had there been one) in the house people would have willed on a fight

Bloody fickle

And I think this is reaching...a lot

[Kerry]

Kerry... mine are not assumptions are they?

I witnessed his violent rage tonight, which went on for well over an hour, and thats was just what we saw.

How did he get in to the house? I am asking myself the same thing.

Of course they are. You're watching an hour of highlights with a few snippets of Jay inluded and making assumptions based on that

[joeysteele]

I think people have the bigger problem because it was Harry. If he was angry at another big male (had there been one) in the house people would have willed on a fight

Bloody fickle

I personally would never will on a fight, I haven't as yet seen violence solve anything.

Had I been Harry though I would have steered well clear of Jay tonight because he was losing it bigtime.

[Kerry]

And I think this is reaching...a lot

Reaching?

[cell]

I didn't see aggression, it was frustration he felt because what's done is done and there was nothing he could do about it. If he was aggressive he would have flew off the handle and been uncontrollable, he took his time and dealt with his emotion until he felt he could speak properly to Harry. True violent aggressive people don't think they just do.

[Merry Mockmas]

Well, first off your basic assumption is false, so it follows your question based on it is.

I don't care if it is a pillow or a punchbag. Thats not the point.

Jay has an unstable and violent temper. He was not only in a rage following the prank, he was still violently frustrated over an HOUR later, needing to hit something for an extended time. Outside the house it obviously would not have been a pillow used, and that obviously was part of his frustration.

Did you see the other HM faces? They were scared... genuinely disturbed by what they saw (except the vile Louise that is ofc). No one in that house should feel intimidated, controlled by the threat of barely suppressed violent anger from another HM.

I agree and did you hear Anton say to Harry that he (Harry) should stay away from Jay for now incase he punched his lights out? its really disgusting what Jay is allowed to get away with in that house and Louise is just pathetic,Faye and Maisy are the two best looking girls in the house aswell as Louise has a nasty face.

[vesavius]

Of course they are. You're watching an hour of highlights with a few snippets of Jay inluded and making assumptions based on that

No, I am making JUDGEMENTS on that, not assumptions.

It is not an assumption he was in a rage over the prank.

It is not an assumption that over an hour later he still felt the need to violently express that rage.

His whole attitude was not an assumption.

We saw it.

You can criticise me for judging him on the footage shown, thats fine, but we are not discussing his behaviour on assumptions.

[Patrick]

We need a Jacuzzi.

/myinput

[Kerry]

I personally would never will on a fight, I haven't as yet seen violence solve anything.

Had I been Harry though I would have steered well clear of Jay tonight because he was losing it bigtime.

But other people are begging for another fight night. Yet any sign of rage and Jay's a maniac.

[Vicky.]

Reaching?

Assumptions that are a little ridiculous :)

I really doubt if that had been directed at anyone else the reaction would have been different. Except if it had been one of the girls of course, people would have gone on a lot worse about that (not saying he would go on like that with the girls though)

[Jords]

Never said he didn't. Just want to know what the difference was. If he'd been in a gym it wouldn't have been mentioned

Punchbags are there to be hit though... poor pillow :sad:

[Cromwell1900]

Well, first off your basic assumption is false, so it follows your question based on it is.

I don't care if it is a pillow or a punchbag. Thats not the point.

Jay has an unstable and violent temper. He was not only in a rage following the prank, he was still violently frustrated over an HOUR later, needing to hit something for an extended time. Outside the house it obviously would not have been a pillow used, and that obviously was part of his frustration.

Did you see the other HM faces? They were scared... genuinely disturbed by what they saw (except the vile Louise that is ofc). No one in that house should feel intimidated, controlled by the threat of barely suppressed violent anger from another HM.


There is a massive difference between a "unstable and violent temper" and anger developing into a need to vent that anger on a soft target.

I am absolutely gobsmacked and i can't help but think there is more to every ones attitude other than tonight's action.

1. Jay and the Freezer
2. Jay Crude with Women
3. Jay pitted against Harry and Arron yesterday

All this must be massively colouring your opinion on this.

[vesavius]

There is a massive difference between a "unstable and violent temper" and anger developing into a need to vent that anger on a soft target.

I am absolutely gobsmacked and i can't help but think there is more to every ones attitude other than tonight's action.

1. Jay and the Freezer
2. Jay Crude with Women
3. Jay pitted against Harry and Arron yesterday

All this must be massively colouring your opinion on this.

No Crom, none of that is it. You know what is though? The real thing that is?

The genuine look of fear on other HMs faces and the obvious scared atmosphere in the house when Jay was in the garden violently venting.

Like I say, no one in there signed up to be in that situation. Jay should go.

[Kerry]

Assumptions that are a little ridiculous :)

I really doubt if that had been directed at anyone else the reaction would have been different. Except if it had been one of the girls of course, people would have gone on a lot worse about that (not saying he would go on like that with the girls though)

Theres loads of posts wanting another "fight night" though. That's what I'm basing it on

And I don't necerssarily mean if he'd aimed his anger at a different HM in there now. But say he'd been in there with someone like Vincent or Jayson from past BB's. I guarentee a different opinion if he'd simply walked away and hit a pillow

[Vicky.]

Theres loads of posts wanting another "fight night" though. That's what I'm basing it on

And I don't necerssarily mean if he'd aimed his anger at a different HM in there now. But say he'd been in there with someone like Vincent or Jayson from past BB's. I guarentee a different opinion if he'd simply walked away and hit a pillow

Indeed. But thats not quite what Jay did. He was full of rage for about an hour. Had he just walked over and hit a pillow I doubt anyone would he having quite this reaction now, as just hitting a pillow would not have scared/intimidated the other housemates and would not have made him come across as a total caveman with a screw loose. For me, I cant speak for others, it was the fact that he was absolutely foaming for an hour at least :/

(Also must add that had Jay been in a house with Jason and Victor, in my opinion he would not have dared to behave like that)

[Cromwell1900]

No Crom, none of that is it. You know what is though? The real thing that is?

The genuine look of fear on other HMs faces and the obvious scared atmosphere in the house when Jay was in the garden violently venting.

Like I say, no one in there signed up to be in that situation. Jay should go.

There was a somber mood in the house and Louise said she felt she should "look after him" nobody said they felt in fear of there safety. You are implying you can read there body language and sense fear over Somber.

Maybe Harry was scared for his safety, but your escalating that to all the Hm's.

[Cromwell1900]

Indeed. But thats not quite what Jay did. He was full of rage for about an hour. Had he just walked over and hit a pillow I doubt anyone would he having quite this reaction now, as just hitting a pillow would not have scared/intimidated the other housemates and would not have made him come across as a total caveman with a screw loose. For me, I cant speak for others, it was the fact that he was absolutely foaming for an hour at least :/

(Also must add that had Jay been in a house with Jason and Victor, in my opinion he would not have dared to behave like that)

If that's not an over-reaction i don't know what is.

[vesavius]

There was a somber mood in the house and Louise said she felt she should "look after him" nobody said they felt in fear of there safety. You are implying you can read there body language and sense fear over Somber.

Maybe Harry was scared for his safety, but your escalating that to all the Hm's.

I am implying nothing, I am clearly saying that the atmosphere (even the little shown) was terse and nervous, the HMs obviously intimidated during the exchnage when they were looking out the window. I am saying that the look on Faye's face spoke volumes. I am saying yes I can read body language and situations pretty well.

Watch it online tommorow again and keep an eye out for what I am saying.


but look... even you admit that Harry was probably scared of Jay during that, and you know what? That alone is unnacceptable.

No HM should ever feel afraid or intimidated in there. Ever.

[The Human Santapede]

I hate Jay, but I don't see what the problem was in him hitting a pillow away from everyone, it's obviously his way of dealing with anger. He could of hit Harry, but chose to hit a pillow. Doesn't mean he is some violent moron. Jesus, some of you need to get a bloody grip.

[Maia]

Imagine him in a gym punching a punch bag

Wouldn't seem abnormal at all, it's just something people do

But imagine him right on the floor punching the hell out of a pillow

Now that doesn't really seem normal

[Merry Mockmas]

The thing is it was a bit of an OTT reaction off Jay as afterall Bananas would keep him fit,especially 500.:laugh3:

[Vicky.]

If that's not an over-reaction i don't know what is.

Really? Oh well. Again we dont see eye to eye, theres a surprise :joker:

[Kerry]

Wait until they get 500 tins of tuna...... :joker:

[In the Drunk Tank]

Hitting a punch bag is a well known and common way of taking out your anger, seeing as no punch bag is available then a pillow was the next best thing. I'm sorry, and I know I'm a Jay fan, but I really can't see the problem with what he did tonight, it was a good way of unleashing his frustration without it having a detrimental impact on his fellow housemates

[tweetypiebabe1]

He's a muscle head who's had a lack of protein and work outs since he's been in the house. Harry well knew of everyone, the shopping list sabotage was gonna wind Jay up the most and of course it did. He had some aggression, he had to get it out.

He punched a pillow not a housemate and like you said, had there been a gym, he would be a lot more level headed.

[Cromwell1900]

I am implying nothing, I am clearly saying that the atmosphere (even the little shown) was terse and nervous, the HMs obviously intimidated during the exchnage when they were looking out the window. I am saying that the look on Faye's face spoke volumes. I am saying yes I can read body language and situations pretty well.

Watch it online tommorow again and keep an eye out for what I am saying.


but look... even you admit that Harry was probably scared of Jay during that, and you know what? That alone is unnacceptable.

No HM should ever feel afraid or intimidated in there. Ever.

Well you seem like a reasonable fellow, and i am a reasonable fellow also, and i will look at it again with the thought in mind "does Jay have an unstable & violent temper" and i would ask you to look at it again with the thought in mind "Is anyone at risk of getting a punch now or is Jay controlled in his anger.

[Cromwell1900]

Really? Oh well. Again we dont see eye to eye, theres a surprise :joker:

:wavey:

[vesavius]

Well you seem like a reasonable fellow, and i am a reasonable fellow also, and i will look at it again with the thought in mind "does Jay have an unstable & violent temper" and i would ask you to look at it again with the thought in mind "Is anyone at risk of getting a punch now or is Jay controlled in his anger.



Fair enough :)

Though it will be hard to get past the stamping on food in rage, throwing stuff around in rage, binning whatever he can get his hands on in rage, sitting around seething with rage, and, an hour later, needing to beat on the floor for an extended period in blind rage.

I think Harry felt very much at risk, and the others scared and nervous, even from that little bit we saw.

The thought I will bear in mind though, if thats ok, is not will he punch someone now, but has he in the near future (with even more built up anger and maybe more booze) got the potentiol to be dangerous to the others?

[cell]

When you piss off a group of people there is always going to be one person who takes it harder then others. When you mess up the food it will probably be the guy requiring 3000+ calories a day who will take it the worst.

[Pink Pegasus]

I would actually not be at all surprised if Big Brother actually suggested to him to go punch a pillow to release his tension.
I think it is a fairly well known safe technique to calm down.

I don't know if the others were afraid or not. Several of them said he was doing the right thing by punching the pillow.

Faye's expression was a bit hard to read, it could well have been fear, but imo it looked like she was a bit weirded out and thought he just looked like an idiot.
She did agree with him punching the pillow and said something like "well if that's what he needs to do fair enough"

I just took that as her saying, "ooooooooookay, whatever floats your boat weirdo"

I could be wrong though, I will look at it closer tonight [on youtube] to see if I view it differently.

[vesavius]

I would actually not be at all surprised if Big Brother actually suggested to him to go punch a pillow to release his tension.


I would hope they told him to do something, because as it is he went into the DR and he wanted to '****ing punch Harry' (paraphrasing) while in an obvious rage and they sent him back into the house in the same state.

[Jedwardhater]

BB should give them a task and the winner gets to choose 4 housemates to enjoy a slap up meal in the garden. Roast beef,chicken,etc all the foods Jay loves.
Harry wins the task and selects alex aaron faye and maisy to join him while the 3 stooges watch on through the glass with a banana for dinner. lol

[Cromwell1900]

Fair enough :)

Though it will be hard to get past the stamping on food in rage, throwing stuff around in rage, binning whatever he can get his hands on in rage, sitting around seething with rage, and, an hour later, needing to beat on the floor for an extended period in blind rage.

I think Harry felt very much at risk, and the others scared and nervous, even from that little bit we saw.

The thought I will bear in mind though, if thats ok, is not will he punch someone now, but has he in the near future (with even more built up anger and maybe more booze) got the potentiol to be dangerous to the others?

Viewing last nights incidents with Potential for danger is valid no one wants to see a Hm getting hurt.

When i think rage i think of violent uncontrolled action not just sat on a sofa seething at someone. Anyway

Garden
Jay did throw a bar of chocolate in the general direction of Harry or the Pool, Harry then went outside and sat down with Jay and giggled and laughed at Jay when he told him "he was not funny"
1. Was Harry Scared? or exploring how Jay had taken it? or Winding Jay up?

Jay also said " i'm not living off that S**t there going to have to give us some proper food" and "I want to go in there and kick the effin life out of all the Bananas"
2. Rage? or intentions to force BB to supply proper food?


Kitchen
Tom spoke to Jay "your livid aren't you" Jay responded Eye big time
3. Unstable or Controlled?
4. Irrasional or Understandable?

He then walked into the store room and stamped on some of the bananas.
5. Calmly or in Rage?

He then binned the coffee, tea, sugar, and food colouring.
6. Calmly or in a Rage?
7. intentions to force BB to supply proper food? or instability?

By this time Harry had joined Jay inside the house.
8. Was Harry Scared? or exploring how Jay had taken it? or Winding Jay up?


Diary Room
Whilst Jay was in the DR all the Hm's we're laughing & joking about the food dye in the margarine Loiuse included, Harry included.
9. Nervous atmosphere? or relaxed and jovial

Jay said to BB "i feel like kicking his head in, i can't even look at him"
10. Was he accepting that as an option? or expressing a feeling that he knew was not an option?


Punching the Pillow
Jay said "i wish i had a punchbag and then started to punch the pillow
11. Rage? or Workout?
12. Imagining Harry's head? or Enjoying the benefits of punching a pillow when your angry?

afterwards he said "i feel a bit better after that and clearly his anger had gone. The House continued normally after that

we must have a different definition of Rage so maybe that accounts for are dis-agreement, and lets remember not once did Jay get in any ones face, make a direct threat to Harry, or raise his voice, and without those elements being present i think Jay's anger is being massively exaggerated and passes my Potential risk test.

[Angus]

Jay is a bloody hypocrite. He was grandstanding in the kitchen slagging off Aaron because he was apparently bringing down the mood in the house, yet the neanderthal thug can be as aggressive and intimidating as he likes, so that everyone has to walk around on eggshells not to upset him? Who the hell does he think he is? He might have the rest of them crawling up his backside, but Aaron and Harry aren't kowtowing to him, and Jay can't stand it.

Jay has little self control so it's just a matter of time before he blows up. I wonder what sort of thug would emerge if he was dumped on national television, especially since Louise seems determined to create some drama around her boring, tedious, personality free self:joker:

[Merry Mockmas]

Jay is a bloody hypocrite. He was grandstanding in the kitchen slagging off Aaron because he was apparently bringing down the mood in the house, yet the neanderthal thug can be as aggressive and intimidating as he likes, so that everyone has to walk around on eggshells not to upset him? Who the hell does he think he is? He might have the rest of them crawling up his backside, but Aaron and Harry aren't kowtowing to him, and Jay can't stand it.

Jay has little self control so it's just a matter of time before he blows up. I wonder what sort of thug would emerge if he was dumped on national television, especially since Louise seems determined to create some drama around her boring, tedious, personality free self:joker:

I agree Angus58,but Aaron has to only breath around Jay and Jay would then slag him off.

[Gillian-73]

Never said he didn't. Just want to know what the difference was. If he'd been in a gym it wouldn't have been mentioned

Some people on ds now think he's the most violent man ever, one even said, i pity his next girlfriend who puts his tea on the table late! ffs. you're absolutely right if it'd been a punch bag nobody would bat an eyelid.