Accusations of bullying/racisim/agression Calling for HM's to be removed [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

saigon

13-10-2011, 01:09 PM

ChristmasNeeve

13-10-2011, 01:13 PM

I agree, these racist/bullying accusations are thrown around willy nilly when it comes to BB

Chuck

13-10-2011, 01:15 PM

It's just typical really, I'm used to it but I agree, it's very annoying.

Visage

13-10-2011, 01:27 PM

I just think it's a cheap dig to cause a little stir on the forums. I don't think some people realise how serious bullying and racism comment can be.

alex_front2

13-10-2011, 01:34 PM

This is just crazy. I have seen numerous posts calling for hms to be removed. Come on now grow a set... I am yet to see behavior that warrants removal from the house. Some people obviously live very sheltered lives on here.

And i am not talking about any 1 housemate in particular.

Well I am a black female with a mild disability and I do think that there is a hierarchy where white, able-bodied, heterosexual men think they sit on top ala Jay. Anyone who deviates from this is often seen as inferior and ripe for mockery (gay people, women, black/ British Asians, people with disability). Jay likes casual racist jokes because the jokes about black men who deviate from 'white man' ideal. And if you dare to challenge this white able bodied heterosexual men often say 'oh, you can't take a joke, it's just banter' etc.

Cromwell1900

13-10-2011, 01:40 PM

alex_front2

13-10-2011, 01:44 PM

Alex do you think Jay's "White Chicks" gag was racist or offensive to the Disabled?

The intent was to make a racial stereotype rather than physical so I wasn't actually in agreement with Aaron on the disability from. I find the sort of people who brush Jay's comments under the carpet more offensive.

SoBig

13-10-2011, 01:45 PM

Whoa! What did I miss? Who was being racist?

ChristmasNeeve

13-10-2011, 01:52 PM

Well I am a black female with a mild disability and I do think that there is a hierarchy where white, able-bodied, heterosexual men think they sit on top ala Jay. Anyone who deviates from this is often seen as inferior and ripe for mockery (gay people, women, black/ British Asians, people with disability). Jay likes casual racist jokes because the jokes about black men who deviate from 'white man' ideal. And if you dare to challenge this white able bodied heterosexual men often say 'oh, you can't take a joke, it's just banter' etc.

Well, I think the problem there is the type of HMs they send in really. There's always alot more white HMs then black HMs. Plus, they don't often send in likeable black HMs (saying that the majority of white HMs aren't overly likeable either) People shouldn't be looking at BB for a fair representation of Irish people, Black people, Geordies, etc. cos a BB HM is chosen because they're not the norm usually!

Cromwell1900

13-10-2011, 01:53 PM

The intent was to make a racial stereotype rather than physical so I wasn't actually in agreement with Aaron on the disability from. I find the sort of people who brush Jay's comments under the carpet more offensive.

I took no offense at it myself, yes it was a racial stereotype but as it was a positive stereotype the intention was not to be offensive. Racial prejudice is after all about intention.

Chuck

13-10-2011, 01:56 PM

People shouldn't be looking at BB for a fair representation of Irish people, Black people, Geordies, etc. cos a BB HM is chosen because they're not the norm usually!

:worship:

You know who you are. :idc:

alex_front2

13-10-2011, 02:57 PM

I took no offense at it myself, yes it was a racial stereotype but as it was a positive stereotype the intention was not to be offensive. Racial prejudice is after all about intention.

And what stereotypes are there of white people? What is the stereotype of a straight white man? Exactly.

It's irrelevant whether it's a positive stereotype. Another so called positive racial stereotype is that black people are good at sport. I am not. This whole blacks can only do sport/ music is lazy, offensive as it reduces the cerebral qualities of black people eg I have a 1st from the best Uni in GB, so I intensely dislike being pigeon-holed as being sporty. I prefer rock music and hate R n B/ rap, but I am still black.

Jay should be thrown out for repeatedly making threats, urinating on Mark and coffee, pooing in freezer and racist jokes

Emily (BB8)got ejected - she made a racist though there was no malice - less offensive than Jay

Alexander (BB9) was evicted for making threats and gun gestures

Dennis (BB9) spat at Mo.

Kenneth Tong (BB10) was basically forced to jump the wall before he was ejected after he made threats.

ChristmasNeeve

13-10-2011, 03:07 PM

And what stereotypes are there of white people? What is the stereotype of a straight white man? Exactly.

It's irrelevant whether it's a positive stereotype. Another so called positive racial stereotype is that black people are good at sport. I am not. This whole blacks can only do sport/ music is lazy, offensive as it reduces the cerebral qualities of black people eg I have a 1st from the best Uni in GB, so I intensely dislike being pigeon-holed as being sporty. I prefer rock music and hate R n B/ rap, but I am still black.

Jay should be thrown out for repeatedly making threats, urinating on Mark and coffee, pooing in freezer and racist jokes

Emily (BB8)got ejected - she made a racist though there was no malice - less offensive than Jay

Alexander (BB9) was evicted for making threats and gun gestures

Dennis (BB9) spat at Mo.

Kenneth Tong (BB10) was basically forced to jump the wall before he was ejected after he made threats.

White men can't dance :eureka:

Seriously though there's stereotypes for most groups of people, Women are bad drivers (gggrrrr) Men hate shopping, Irish people love drinking........ the list goes on, it's just a fact life, Black people are no more stereotyped than other people to be fair.

Vicky.

13-10-2011, 03:43 PM

Its always the same. However I DO think that people should at least recieve a warning for putting poo in freezers...I dont think think thats too much to ask for :idc:

InOne

13-10-2011, 03:45 PM

Once Jay is removed then people will stop going on about it :idc:

Until then....

:hmph:

Merry Mockmas

13-10-2011, 03:50 PM

Once Jay is removed then people will stop going on about it :idc:

Until then....

:hmph:

Exactly InOne.

Alf

13-10-2011, 03:58 PM

was kelly roland racist by not picking jade on x factor?
because if you remember when amanda holden said no to a group of black dancers on bgt she was accused of being racist

In the Drunk Tank

13-10-2011, 04:01 PM

Yeah people are just picking up on throwaway comments and blowing them out of proportion, I honestly haven't seen any behaviour in there that would warrant any of them being kicked out. I also don't know why people would want a HM kicked out, it's pretty much always bad for the show when it happens

buckfast67uk

13-10-2011, 04:05 PM

Well I am a black female with a mild disability and I do think that there is a hierarchy where white, able-bodied, heterosexual men think they sit on top ala Jay. Anyone who deviates from this is often seen as inferior and ripe for mockery (gay people, women, black/ British Asians, people with disability). Jay likes casual racist jokes because the jokes about black men who deviate from 'white man' ideal. And if you dare to challenge this white able bodied heterosexual men often say 'oh, you can't take a joke, it's just banter' etc.

We only have your word to take for that.

I suspect that you have just said that with the delusional idea that it makes your argument stronger.

For the record i don't like Jay either, but don't make stuff up about yourself.

Cromwell1900

13-10-2011, 04:09 PM

And what stereotypes are there of white people? What is the stereotype of a straight white man? Exactly.

Well i can relate to the pressure a stereotype can put on someone if you can't or simply don't want to live up to it. I have found there is as many that come from the Black community as the White community. It's a human thing nevertheless if you want to succeed in a White World it is White stereotypes of Black people that have to be overcome. I don't know when you grew up but i grew up in the 80s 90's and in a White neighberhood Racist comments we're an every day trial. But it has changed so much. Still work to be done but the direction of travel is true. and a bit of pain never hurt anyone.

I stand by my belief that Jay's joke was not racist i focus on the intent and just like Emily i focused on the intent.

Emily was not imo Racist she made the assumption that she could use that song and word because she felt comfortable with the two Black girls she was with. She was stupid to think that. Was her intent to cause offense No. Should she of been removed is a different matter as she was on tv there are different factors to consider, likewise Jay. Jay's joke was no where near as controversial as Emily's and so i'd let him stay on that point.

In the Drunk Tank

13-10-2011, 04:10 PM

We only have your word to take for that.

I suspect that you have just said that with the delusional idea that it makes your argument stronger.

For the record i don't like Jay either, but don't make stuff up about yourself.

This is a bit of an inappropriate post, you have no real reason for disbelieving the poster, tone it down a bit

alex_front2

13-10-2011, 04:10 PM

We only have your word to take for that.

I suspect that you have just said that with the delusional idea that it makes your argument stronger.

For the record i don't like Jay either, but don't make stuff up about yourself.

Nope, how insulting. I do have a disability but thanks for the delusional bit. :joker:

psychtracker

13-10-2011, 04:14 PM

It's irrelevant whether it's a positive stereotype. Another so called positive racial stereotype is that black people are good at sport. I am not. This whole blacks can only do sport/ music is lazy, offensive as it reduces the cerebral qualities of black people eg I have a 1st from the best Uni in GB, so I intensely dislike being pigeon-holed as being sporty. I prefer rock music and hate R n B/ rap, but I am still black.

I don't know whether the majority of the population believes that black people are just good at sport and music. Either ways, every person on the planet has been subject to people making snap judgements on what u may or may not be like because of your appearance, that's just a thing humans do. Whether you as a kid at school wore glasses and got called a geek, or chubby and called lazy etc..

As far as the black men having big *****. That's a just genetic fact, and most people (particularly women), seem to see it as a positive!

I'd just be worried of political correctness going so far that we can't EVER have a joke about our differences. Because when we lose humour and the ability to take the piss out of ourselves and each other, i feel it makes for a rather dull and sterile society.

ChristmasNeeve

13-10-2011, 04:15 PM

Well i can relate to the pressure a stereotype can put on someone if you can't or simply don't want to live up to it. I have found there is as many that come from the Black community as the White community. It's a human thing nevertheless if you want to succeed in a White World it is White stereotypes of Black people that have to be overcome. I don't know when you grew up but i grew up in the 80s 90's and in a White neighberhood Racist comments we're an every day trial. But it has changed so much. Still work to be done but the direction of travel is true. and a bit of pain never hurt anyone.

I stand by my belief that Jay's joke was not racist i focus on the intent and just like Emily i focused on the intent.

Emily was not imo Racist she made the assumption that she could use that song and word because she felt comfortable with the two Black girls she was with. She was stupid to think that. Was her intent to cause offense No. Should she of been removed is a different matter as she was on tv there are different factors to consider, likewise Jay. Jay's joke was no where near as controversial as Emily's and so i'd let him stay on that point.

Yes, this I agree with, the word Emily used was a very racist word where as Jays joke was a silly stereotype (supposed to be taken with a pinch of salt)

I do agree that racism should be judged by intent, some people may use a racist term through pure ignorance and just may not be aware that it is racist, that doesn't make them racist imo.

Incensed

13-10-2011, 04:21 PM

And what stereotypes are there of white people?

I'm a white, blonde female and I'm stereotyped as a 'Dumb blonde'

Which is highly uncalled for imo! :joker::joker:

ChristmasNeeve

13-10-2011, 04:24 PM

I'm a white, blonde female and I'm stereotyped as a 'Dumb blonde'

Which is highly uncalled for imo! :joker::joker:

I'm an Irish blonde so I'm a stupid drunk who only eats potatoes :wink:

Incensed

13-10-2011, 04:26 PM

I'm an Irish blonde so I'm a stupid drunk who only eats potatoes :wink:

:joker:

psychtracker

13-10-2011, 04:36 PM

I'm an Irish blonde so I'm a stupid drunk who only eats potatoes :wink:

I'm a dumb white blonde male, Aussie beer drinking convict, who can frequently be seen riding the city streets on my pet kangaroo (when i'm not surfing Bondi, or stuffing my belly full of vegemite sandwiches!).. :xyxwave:

Visage

13-10-2011, 04:38 PM

I'm just dead normal me.

Cromwell1900

13-10-2011, 04:41 PM

I don't know whether the majority of the population believes that black people are just good at sport and music. Either ways, every person on the planet has been subject to people making snap judgements on what u may or may not be like because of your appearance, that's just a thing humans do. Whether you as a kid at school wore glasses and got called a geek, or chubby and called lazy etc..

As far as the black men having big *****. That's a just genetic fact, and most people (particularly women), seem to see it as a positive!

I'd just be worried of political correctness going so far that we can't EVER have a joke about our differences. Because when we lose humour and the ability to take the piss out of ourselves and each other, i feel it makes for a rather dull and sterile society.

Tell that to Aaron, maybe that will turn the frown upside down:spin:

psychtracker

13-10-2011, 04:49 PM

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Tell that to Aaron, maybe that will turn the frown upside down:spin:

I agree. But i tend to believe that it was more Aaron 'game playing theatrics', than serious dismay at the joke. He's a reasonably intelligent guy, i'd doubt he would be that shocked!

Cromwell1900

13-10-2011, 04:58 PM

I agree. But i tend to believe that it was more Aaron 'game playing theatrics', than serious dismay at the joke. He's a reasonably intelligent guy, i'd doubt he would be that shocked!

Been considering the same thought And the Cupcake massacre?

tweetypiebabe1

13-10-2011, 08:52 PM

It's because all the things people are talking about aren't shown on the HL show so the majority of the public won't understand or find any warrant in these complaints or calls for removal.

Personally, I don't know where I stand but I clearly don't speak for everyone.

Kazanne

13-10-2011, 08:53 PM

Thotmas

13-10-2011, 08:57 PM

I'm a white, blonde female and I'm stereotyped as a 'Dumb blonde'

Which is highly uncalled for imo! :joker::joker:

since when is that sterotype harmful to anyone? It is so "in"/cute/embraced many women play up to that.

Anyways what r we talking about now? housemates to be removed? :bawling: I should just give up on bb. seems when I dont watch, a lot happens :bored:

Yayita

13-10-2011, 09:16 PM

Well I am a black female with a mild disability and I do think that there is a hierarchy where white, able-bodied, heterosexual men think they sit on top ala Jay. Anyone who deviates from this is often seen as inferior and ripe for mockery (gay people, women, black/ British Asians, people with disability). Jay likes casual racist jokes because the jokes about black men who deviate from 'white man' ideal. And if you dare to challenge this white able bodied heterosexual men often say 'oh, you can't take a joke, it's just banter' etc.

People cant make jokes anymore, I am from the US and sensitivity towards races, sex, creeds, religion, weight and physical attributes are at an all time high. People shouldn't take things so seriously. It's ok to laugh at each other once in a while, the things that make us different are hilarious, stereotypes exist because they are true most of the time and funny! We should embrace our differences and celebrate them and not take it so darn serious all the time!

Yayita

13-10-2011, 09:18 PM

I'm an Irish blonde so I'm a stupid drunk who only eats potatoes :wink:

LOL, you are too funny!

Yayita

13-10-2011, 09:22 PM

And what stereotypes are there of white people? What is the stereotype of a straight white man? Exactly.

It's irrelevant whether it's a positive stereotype. Another so called positive racial stereotype is that black people are good at sport. I am not. This whole blacks can only do sport/ music is lazy, offensive as it reduces the cerebral qualities of black people eg I have a 1st from the best Uni in GB, so I intensely dislike being pigeon-holed as being sporty. I prefer rock music and hate R n B/ rap, but I am still black.

Jay should be thrown out for repeatedly making threats, urinating on Mark and coffee, pooing in freezer and racist jokes

Emily (BB8)got ejected - she made a racist though there was no malice - less offensive than Jay

Alexander (BB9) was evicted for making threats and gun gestures

Dennis (BB9) spat at Mo.

Kenneth Tong (BB10) was basically forced to jump the wall before he was ejected after he made threats.

I like Jay until I found out about the Poo in the freezer, now I am digusted and shocked that they tried to keep this hidden from the public.

boomoo

13-10-2011, 09:38 PM

White men can't dance :eureka:

Seriously though there's stereotypes for most groups of people, Women are bad drivers (gggrrrr) Men hate shopping, Irish people love drinking........ the list goes on, it's just a fact life, Black people are no more stereotyped than other people to be fair.

Exactly. Try living with ginger hair.

boomoo

13-10-2011, 09:40 PM

I like Jay until I found out about the Poo in the freezer, now I am digusted and shocked that they tried to keep this hidden from the public.

Yes but how do we know it is true. Where is this freezer?
Mark's escapades since he left the house have been gross so it is hard to say which one was causing these antics.

boomoo

13-10-2011, 09:44 PM

LOL, you are too funny!

Why do people leave out the compliments. I understand that Irish women are the most beautiful in the world. I did not say that, Walter Raleigh said that before 1603.

Cromwell1900

13-10-2011, 10:18 PM

People cant make jokes anymore, I am from the US and sensitivity towards races, sex, creeds, religion, weight and physical attributes are at an all time high. People shouldn't take things so seriously. It's ok to laugh at each other once in a while, the things that make us different are hilarious, stereotypes exist because they are true most of the time and funny! We should embrace our differences and celebrate them and not take it so darn serious all the time!

It's a fair point Yayita but it's not a perfect world unfortunetly, and Gay people, Women, Ethnic people, do have struggles to overcome, which are unique to them. But yes everything works better if you can joke about it.

Cromwell1900

13-10-2011, 10:22 PM

Yes but how do we know it is true. Where is this freezer?
Mark's escapades since he left the house have been gross so it is hard to say which one was causing these antics.

The freezer is in the Storeroom. and 3 ex Hm's have confirmed it happened.

You'll be glad to know the Freezer was steam cleaned afterward

Yayita

13-10-2011, 10:28 PM

The freezer is in the Storeroom. and 3 ex Hm's have confirmed it happened.

You'll be glad to know the Freezer was steam cleaned afterward

I would have thrown it out and gotten a new one, that is waaaay to gross!

Cromwell1900

13-10-2011, 10:33 PM

I would have thrown it out and gotten a new one, that is waaaay to gross!

You would think they could stretch to a new Freezer right! Maybe they want to make sure it's not a habit of Jays before allowing him access to a virgin fresh one.

Yayita

13-10-2011, 10:35 PM

Why do people leave out the compliments. I understand that Irish women are the most beautiful in the world. I did not say that, Walter Raleigh said that before 1603.

Im from dominican republic, that means i dance merengue all day, drink lots of rum and dont like to work LOL

swinearefine

13-10-2011, 10:38 PM

Housemates shouldn't be thrown out for having opinions. If they're racist, let their fellow housemates and the voters get rid of them.

Cromwell1900

13-10-2011, 10:44 PM

Housemates shouldn't be thrown out for having opinions. If they're racist, let their fellow housemates and the voters get rid of them.

There is no reason to think Jay is Racist, the joke was not offensive to any minority. It's just hype

ChristmasNeeve

14-10-2011, 10:03 AM

I'm a dumb white blonde male, Aussie beer drinking convict, who can frequently be seen riding the city streets on my pet kangaroo (when i'm not surfing Bondi, or stuffing my belly full of vegemite sandwiches!).. :xyxwave:

I'm just dead normal me.

:laugh2:

ChristmasNeeve

14-10-2011, 10:06 AM

since when is that sterotype harmful to anyone? It is so "in"/cute/embraced many women play up to that.

Anyways what r we talking about now? housemates to be removed? :bawling: I should just give up on bb. seems when I dont watch, a lot happens :bored:

It's no more harmful then the stereotype that black men are well hung, that's the point.

exoticrosebud

14-10-2011, 11:30 AM

..i cannot understand why the hell you are even debating this crap. when you enter the Big Brother house you are supposed to be entering as yourself, being totally honest and not watching your p's and q's. If the producers decided to put you in there that is how it is. What do you want them to do..carry out a character reference?? and if you choose to watch the show you watch what is ever on it, not bleet about something that you dont like personnally! If we all did that there would be no show to watch. Yes i totally agree that racist jokes, jokes at the expence of disabled people or any other person from any walk of life is wrong...but that unfortunately is how we live. and im sure on the applicatin form for BB it does not include...DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF POLITICALLY CORRENT AND CAN WE COUNT ON YOU NOT TO MENTION THE B WORD OR THE D WORD OR ANY OTHER OFFENSIVE WORD ?? i dont think so....i personally dont feel there is any need for the constant bad language but there you go...and now im shattered and need a cup of tea !

ChristmasNeeve

14-10-2011, 11:33 AM