30 years old not had sex since 23 years old

[Bojangles]

Aaron has a serious mental problem.I think he is what they call a woman hater.
He leads them on only to demean them.

[Samuel.]

:bored:

I assume since you have come to that conclusion, you know all about the last 7 years of his life?

[jet]

I think he has mental problems, yes. I'm in a position to comment on that, as mental health is my profession.

[Bojangles]

I think he has mental problems, yes. I'm in a position to comment on that, as mental health is my profession.

Thankyou Jet.

[Jamsey]

Wel I once knew a guy whose uncle's, brother's, cousin wallked a dog for a guy whose best friend knew someone who works in mental health and he thinks your talking out your ass.

[Vicky.]

I didnt take that seriously at all. I took it as a way of getting them to shut the hell up asking him personal questions.

Each to their own though.

[Shaun]

as a qualified fireman I am obliged to point out he's got a very long hose.

[GypsyGoth]

as a qualified fireman I am obliged to point out he's got a very long hose.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

[Bojangles]

Wel I once knew a guy whose uncle's, brother's, cousin wallked a dog for a guy whose best friend knew someone who works in mental health and he thinks your talking out your ass.

I don't think so

[jet]

Wel I once knew a guy whose uncle's, brother's, cousin wallked a dog for a guy whose best friend knew someone who works in mental health and he thinks your talking out your ass.

Well that guy would be wrong.

[Kerry]

Ontopic pleeeeease

[Vicky.]

Wel I once knew a guy whose uncle's, brother's, cousin wallked a dog for a guy whose best friend knew someone who works in mental health and he thinks your talking out your ass.

as a qualified fireman I am obliged to point out he's got a very long hose.

:joker::joker:

[Bojangles]

When Aaron gets out he needs to be seen by a psychiatrist,but he is probably under one anyway.

[Kerry]

When Aaron gets out he needs to be seen by a psychiatrist,but he is probably under one anyway.

Why would it matter if he was?

[icecakes]

Wel I once knew a guy whose uncle's, brother's, cousin wallked a dog for a guy whose best friend knew someone who works in mental health and he thinks your talking out your ass.

HaHa:worship:

[Bojangles]

Why would it matter if he was?

Because the nutter is playing with Fayes mind.

[Maia]

Nothing wrong with that. Don't see why he has to be a sex addict to not be considered as having mental issues...

[Kerry]

Because the nutter is playing with Fayes mind.

So IF he has mental health issues he's a nutter?

[Bojangles]

Nothing wrong with that. Don't see why he has to be a sex addict to not be considered as having mental issues...

A 30 year old man not had sex for seven years come on where you coming from.

[Maia]

A 30 year old man not had sex for seven years come on where you coming from.

He might just be asexual, have you even considered that? Not everyone likes sex y'know

[Bojangles]

He might just be asexual, have you even considered that? Not everyone likes sex y'know

He has a child hasn't he?

[icecakes]

I think Arden would have noticed if Aaron had mental problems, him being a
psychiatrist :hugesmile:

[Vicky.]

He has a child hasn't he?

So do some gay people. Doesnt mean they arent gay ;)

[Vicky.]

I think Arden would have noticed if Aaron had mental problems, him being a
psychiatrist :hugesmile:

:laugh2:

[Shaun]

Bojangles, would you dance for me in worn-out shoes please?

[jet]

He might just be asexual, have you even considered that? Not everyone likes sex y'know

In my assessment, he's a closeted gay who despises himself for the feelings he has. That's why he is so uptight.

[rk3388]

i feel bad for his son when he was talking about how his son was a big mistake -_-

[Samuel.]

He's still married. Yes they broke up but we don't know how long they stayed together, lived together for the sake of their kid, and he said the child birth experience had put him off sex for a long time.

All things considered (the limited amount we know), it's not that crazy.

And some people are absolutely fine going without sex for long periods of time. That doesn't in any way mean they have mental health issues, or hate women.

[Bojangles]

In my assessment, he's a closeted gay who despises himself for the feelings he has. That's why he is so uptight.

That is a posibility.

[Vicky.]

That is a posibility.
Yet none of the other much more likely reasons people have said in this thread are possibilities :joker:

[Samuel.]

In my assessment, he's a closeted gay who despises himself for the feelings he has. That's why he is so uptight.

WSbdsWGJUt0

Mind blown if those are the actions of a gay man.

[Bojangles]

Bojangles, would you dance for me in worn-out shoes please?

I think you are confusing me with Mr Bojangles.

[Bojangles]

WSbdsWGJUt0

Mind blown if those are the actions of a gay man.

Yes playing mind games with Faye.

[Vicky.]

Yes playing mind games with Faye.

:laugh2:

[Locke.]

He has obviously had sex in the last 7 years :joker:

[Novo]

It did sound like he was taking the piss when he said it

[Bojangles]

It did sound like he was taking the piss when he said it

Why?

[Vicky.]

It did sound like he was taking the piss when he said it

I'm glad there is someone else on here that doesnt take every word that comes out of Aarons mouth so damn literally.

To me it was perfectly obvious that he was just trying to get them all to shut up. The questions they were asking were personal, and if he doesnt wish to tell them all the dirty details of his private life, why should he :bored:

[Novo]

Why?

Because he didn't look very serious at all and had a lordly smirk written across his face

[Vicky.]

Because he didn't look very serious at all and had a lordly smirk written across his face

:joker::joker::joker:

[jet]

WSbdsWGJUt0

Mind blown if those are the actions of a gay man.

Many gay men marry and have children and their wives have no idea. Surely you know that? They say 'but he was so PASSIONATE' etc...Aaron definitely has serious issues of one kind or another. We can only guess what those might be...

[Bojangles]

I'm glad there is someone else on here that doesnt take every word that comes out of Aarons mouth so damn literally.

To me it was perfectly obvious that he was just trying to get them all to shut up. The questions they were asking were personal, and if he doesnt wish to tell them all the dirty details of his private life, why should he :bored:

Why can't he say." I'm not answering that." Instead you say he's a liar.

[Novo]

Many gay men marry and have children and their wives have no idea. Surely you know that? They say 'but he was so PASSIONATE' etc...Aaron definitely has serious issues of one kind or another. We can only guess what those might be...

Or maybe he doesn't have any serious issues at all.. that sounds more likely

[Vicky.]

Why can't he say." I'm not answering that." Instead you say he's a liar.

I dont know, I cannot read minds.

[Bojangles]

Many gay men marry and have children and their wives have no idea. Surely you know that? They say 'but he was so PASSIONATE' etc...Aaron definitely has serious issues of one kind or another. We can only guess what those might be...

You could be right.The gay thing is what Tom saw in him originally.

[Novo]

Clearly other members on here can though

[King Gizzard]

Not lying as such just banter..

[Vicky.]

Or maybe he doesn't have any serious issues at all.. that sounds more likely

You forget, this is Aaron. Everything he does is calculated and must have some evil hidden meaning behind it. Nothing can just be simple. The most likely explanation is never the right one when it comes to him :tongue:

[Vicky.]

You could be right.The gay thing is what Tom saw in him originally.

Wishful thinking on Toms behalf.

This is the guy who took a drunken DARE as a marriage proposal :laugh:

[jet]

Or maybe he doesn't have any serious issues at all.. that sounds more likely

He has serious issues which are there for all to see - except for those who think his issues are just for our entertainment.

[Bojangles]

he has serious issues which are there for all to see - except for those who think his issues are just for our entertainment.

ditto

[jet]

You forget, this is Aaron. Everything he does is calculated and must have some evil hidden meaning behind it. Nothing can just be simple. The most likely explanation is never the right one when it comes to him :tongue:

I don't think he is evil. Just confused and unhappy and a major old lady.

[Bojangles]

I don't think he is evil. Just confused and unhappy and a major old lady.

BBBOT can see he clearly has issues.

[StraightEdge695]

he already has a son maybe he just doesnt want another kid?

[Bojangles]

he already has a son maybe he just doesnt want another kid?

Hasn't he heard of contraception.

[Novo]

He has serious issues which are there for all to see - except for those who think his issues are just for our entertainment.

How is it clear? what signs does he show that tell you he has mental issues? if he had mental issues he wouldn't be in the house to begin with

[Bojangles]

How is it clear? what signs does he show that tell you he has mental issues? if he had mental issues he wouldn't be in the house to begin with

Anyone with medical training can clearly see it.

[psychtracker]

I would think it's more plausible that a 30 year old male wouldn't have had sex for 7 years, than a 27 year old male would have had sex with more than 1000 women.

[Vicky.]

Anyone with medical training can clearly see it.

See what?

What signs does he actually show of having mental issues?

[jet]

How is it clear? what signs does he show that tell you he has mental issues? if he had mental issues he wouldn't be in the house to begin with

I think being in the house has brought them out.

[Bojangles]

I would think it's more plausible that a 30 year old male wouldn't have had sex for 7 years, than a 27 year old male would have had sex with more than 1000 women.

That isn't the issue here.but it's more normal for a male to boast about his conquests.

[Kerry]

I think being in the house has brought them out.

What qualifications do you have? In mental health?

[psychtracker]

That isn't the issue here.but it's more normal for a male to boast about his conquests.

That's the exact point i was making. It's more popular to boast about conquests than speak the truth, so regardless of whether he's being truthful, i applaud him for saying what HE SAID.

[MTVN]

Interesting that these psychologists on here are assuring us that he has mental health problems and shows all the signs of it but we are yet to hear what these signs actually are. I'd like to know what the symptoms are of these problems that Aaron supposedly has and where he has displayed them?

[jet]

See what?

What signs does he actually show of having mental issues?

I think people are confusing mental issues with mental illness. No -one is saying Aaron is mentally ill - but he does have mental issues. One example is his total inability to tolerate any kind of conflict - even though he often instigates the conflict to begin with. He can't deal with situations in an open and adult way, but withdraws into himself and blames others for his discomfort. Another example is his inability to tolerate human facts of life - like burping. That isn't normal. Just like going off sex because your wife went through childbirth isn't normal. Having mental issues doesn't mean you are a 'nutter' - and there is no shame in it. As a mental health professional, from what I have seen (which is all I have to go by) I think he has some serious issues - if you don't, it's no skin off my nose.
I just don't like people thinking he is great and entertaining because of his mental problems. He isn't great - he's a bit of a mess.

[Vicky.]

I think people are confusing mental issues with mental illness. No -one is saying Aaron is mentally ill - but he does have mental issues. One example is his total inability to tolerate any kind of conflict - even though he often instigates the conflict to begin with. He can't deal with situations in an open and adult way, but withdraws into himself and blames others for his discomfort.

I dont see it as a bad thing to avoid conflict, I certainly dont see it as a mental issue tbh.


Another example is his inability to tolerate human facts of life - like burping. That isn't normal.

Natural burping is a lot different to purposely burping, and more so burping directly in someones ear.


Just like going off sex because your wife went through childbirth isn't normal. Having mental issues doesn't mean you are a 'nutter' - and there is no shame in it.
We know nothing at all about his sex life...except for one off the cuff remark that everyone seems to have took literally about not having sex for 7 years as the last time he did he got a son out of it.


As a mental health professional, from what I have seen (which is all I have to go by) I think he has some serious issues - if you don't, it's no skin off my nose.
I just don't like people thinking he is great and entertaining because of his mental problems. He isn't great - he's a bit of a mess.
Its ok, noone thinks hes great and entertaining because of his 'mental problems'. They like him because...they like him. Its really that simple :) And the last part is just your opinion. I certainly dont think hes a mess, and I DO think hes great.

[jet]

What qualifications do you have? In mental health?


I'm a psychologist working in cognitive behaviour therapy.

[Kerry]

I'm a psychologist working in cognitive behaviour therapy.

I know a lot about CBT. I asked about your qualifications

I'm genuinely interested. I have the work coming out of my ears right now

[Jords]

My take on Aaron is that hes very insecure despise be a good-looking bloke and is probably the reason why he behaves like he does from time to time.

[jet]

I dont see it as a bad thing to avoid conflict, I certainly dont see it as a mental issue tbh.

Taking it to the extreme that Aaron does is a bad thing. It makes it difficult for anything to ever be properly resolved.

[Vicky.]

Taking it to the extreme that Aaron does is a bad thing. It makes it difficult for anything to ever be properly resolved.

I very much doubt he behaves like that on the outside world. He wouldnt need to.

In there theres no other way to deal with it if you dont want to tackle it head on besides having a bit time to yourself.

If theres someone you dislike, or someone doing something you dislike...you can just walk away and noone would think anything of it. In the environment he is in, he cant do that.

[psychtracker]

I think he has mental problems, yes. I'm in a position to comment on that, as mental health is my profession.

I think people are confusing mental issues with mental illness. No -one is saying Aaron is mentally ill - but he does have mental issues.

I think you're doing some side stepping here, EVERY person on this planet has mental issues to varying degrees!

[jet]

I know a lot about CBT. I asked about your qualifications

I'm genuinely interested. I have the work coming out of my ears right now


I took my postgrad in counselling psychology and am a member of the Directory of Chartered Psychologists.

[jet]

I think you're doing some side stepping here, EVERY person on this planet has mental issues to varying degrees!

I agree. And of all the HM's, Aaron stands out to me as having those which impacts most adversely on him and those he is involved with.

[psychtracker]

I agree. And of all the HM's, Aaron stands out to me as having those which impacts most adversely on him and those he is involved with.

That's kinda neither here nor there really, that's just your opinion. How would it be if it's actually true, and he hasn't had sex for seven years. Basically it'd mean he's likely one of the more honest HM's. Particularly as it's often male ego which rules honesty when talking about sexual conquests!

So, how would his honesty adversely effect his HM's. Regardless of what you've said about his relationship with Faye, and his other HM's, the primary topic you supported with your original post was the notion that - it's inconceivable he hasn't had sex for seven years, thus has mental problems, or that he has mental problems because he's lying.

If it turns out true, you've shot yourself in the foot!

[=^..^=]

I think he has had sex but not with his wife in seven years.

(I can't believe this is my first post :blush2:)

[crocs]

He might just be asexual, have you even considered that? Not everyone likes sex y'know

Or he might not treat sex lightly. I can understand him. He doesn't have sex just for the sake of it.

[G1dds]

perhaps he is mature enough not to spout about his sex life

Not ALL of us feel the need to tell the world, so most likely he deflected the question with a tongue in cheek comment which it appears is lost on some of those working in the Mental Health Care Area

[joeysteele]

I don't think he has mental health issues, something has affected him that makes him have barriers up after his child was born likely. that's really the only issue he may have with himself but it's not being mentally ill in any way.

I don't think also that he hates women,on the contrary,he clearly shows repect to them and men too but he has a stricter code personally as to how he thinks others should act.

I do think he likely craves a new relatioship with someone but the barriers he has built up over the last few years have him not feeling secure that a relatioship would be a success for him now. Explaining in part his role in this on/off situation with Faye.( who does mess with his head at times).

Not mentally ill, a few personal things to get rid of as to letting the barriers down that's all.
From what they've observed one of my sister in laws who is a Psychiatrist has said she has seen nothing from him that indicates any mental health problems,she would like to talk to him though but not professionally.(I think she rather likes him).

[Pyramid*]

Interesting that these psychologists on here are assuring us that he has mental health problems and shows all the signs of it but we are yet to hear what these signs actually are. I'd like to know what the symptoms are of these problems that Aaron supposedly has and where he has displayed them?

Equally, it's interesting that the NON psychologists on here are debating on a highly specialised subject, in which they have neither trained in or practised. Some may have experience, either personally or with family members/friends -but the non psychologists on here are as similarly assured that he does not have mental health 'problems' (to use your own word)

For all we know, he, some or all, of the housemates could have underlying MH issues or not, be on medications for that matter or not.

I personally would say that Aaron does have issues - not least with anxiety and social anxiety, I'd say that Jay has anger management issues for example, and Harry being the most healthily balanced.

That said, trained or not, practising or not: not one of us here now enough about the personal lives of any of the housemates to be able to be 'arguing' over this point or make any assessment based on a highly edited, highly manipulated show. Especially with someone such as Aaron -who we really know not a great deal about on a personal level - other than the fact that his marriage breaking up has affected him as did watching a natural childbirth.

That's my tuppeniesworth anyway.

[fruit_cake]

He is an unusual type but I don't think there is anything wrong with not having sex for seven years.

[LivT]

You could be right.The gay thing is what Tom saw in him originally.

That was just wishful thinking on Tom's part :rolleyes:

There are plenty of people who go through a period of celebacy for various personal reasons. It is a lifestyle choice ..it doesn't mean you have mental issues ..nor does it mean you are a closet gay. Its not improbable, just highly unlikely that Aarons so called issues are due to sexuality hang-ups. It was fairly clear that he was badly affected by his ex-wifes disability, the cause of which is unknown to us. I would also be interested to hear what the so called mental health professionals on here have to add further....as, with all due respect, stating that someone is a closetted gay , simply based on his uptightness...is rather text book.

[Kazanne]

Aaron has a serious mental problem.I think he is what they call a woman hater.
He leads them on only to demean them.

:joker::joker::joker::joker:What a great start to the day,a good laugh

[Angus]

I think he has mental problems, yes. I'm in a position to comment on that, as mental health is my profession.

No doubt you have a qualification in psychology? I do, and I am also a member of BPS and have been since 1992. I have also worked at Maudsley Hospital in London and for the Croydon Mental Health Team. I have not seen any "mental problems" being exhibited by Aaron, although I have definitely seen signs of such in other HMs, but it is not an accusation I would ever seriously throw at anyone without proper investigation and possession of ALL the facts.

[Cherie]

Perhaps Aaron is on a wind up, and is not joining in the "I banged 49 wimmin in the last 48 hours" tales like the Wolfpack, perhaps he feels it is his own personal business when he last had sex. I doubt its been 7 years though...Maisy and Faye in less than a week...LMFAO

[Angus]

Perhaps Aaron is on a wind up, and is not joining in the "I banged 49 wimmin in the last 48 hours" tales like the Wolfpack, perhaps he feels it is his own personal business when he last had sex. I doubt its been 7 years though...Maisy and Faye in less than a week...LMFAO

I agree. This is what I think, but you'll never convince those determined to find any fault with him:bored:

Irrespective of whether it is true or not, it's extremely ignorant and offensive to label someone mentally ill because they do not conform to one's own subjective norms.

You know what they say - "walk a mile in my shoes before you judge me".

[psychtracker]

Equally, it's interesting that the NON psychologists on here are debating on a highly specialised subject, in which they have neither trained in or practised. Some may have experience, either personally or with family members/friends -but the non psychologists on here are as similarly assured that he does not have mental health 'problems' (to use your own word)

For all we know, he, some or all, of the housemates could have underlying MH issues or not, be on medications for that matter or not.

I personally would say that Aaron does have issues - not least with anxiety and social anxiety, I'd say that Jay has anger management issues for example, and Harry being the most healthily balanced.

It's equally interesting that you brought to our attention that non psychologists are commenting on this highly specialized subject, whilst u did exactly the same thing, not only with Aaron, but also Harry and Jay!


That said, trained or not, practising or not: not one of us here now enough about the personal lives of any of the housemates to be able to be 'arguing' over this point or make any assessment based on a highly edited, highly manipulated show. Especially with someone such as Aaron -who we really know not a great deal about on a personal level - other than the fact that his marriage breaking up has affected him as did watching a natural childbirth.

Maybe a fair point, but u completely contradicted it because you've already made an assessment. So, you're allowed to make an assessment, but you're not recommending, or don't believe others should?

What really kicked off this debate was, JET a reputed trained and working psychologist made an assessment that Aaron has "mental problems", and also concluded that he was gay. Because he said he hasn't had sex for 7 years. I don't see what the problem is with people questioning this logic, and trying to understand this rationale.

[LivT]

No doubt you have a qualification in psychology? I do, and I am also a member of BPS and have been since 1992. I have also worked at Maudsley Hospital in London and for the Croydon Mental Health Team. I have not seen any "mental problems" being exhibited by Aaron, although I have definitely seen signs of such in other HMs, but it is not an accusation I would ever seriously throw at anyone without proper investigation and possession of ALL the facts.

Thanks for your response, Angus. That is an answer which is justifiable for anyone claiming to be a professional...especially the latter part. As a Barrister, I tend to steer clear of any legal disputes as nobody can assess nor accurately comment at great length without all pertinent facts.

[Kazanne]

Aaron has a serious mental problem.I think he is what they call a woman hater.
He leads them on only to demean them.

Aaron really has gone over some peoples heads:joker:

[Livia]

I think he has mental problems, yes. I'm in a position to comment on that, as mental health is my profession.

You must be some consummate professional to be able to diagnose someone from watching edited highlights of them on TV for an hour a day.

[Visage]

I don't think that anyone studying mental health issues would be taught to make an assumption from a show that's well known for it's edits like BB.

I also find it difficult to believe that someone could assess a housemate's mental health from what would no more than 30 minute highlights of a full day in the BB house.


Aaron has a serious mental problem.I think he is what they call a woman hater.
He leads them on only to demean them.

Coming from someone who was adamant that the freezer incident was a work of fiction and from the mind of an Aaron fan to stir up trouble, despite knowing that some housemates confirmed this, I struggle to take anything you say seriously.

[Niamh.]

Not lying as such just banter..

This ^

I doubt he was being serious, it's none of their business when he last had sex. I know I wouldn't fancy discussing my sex life on national TV. And even if it was, so what?

[Suze]

I can't stop laughing at this thread :laugh3: that it even warrants a thread, as I can't see what it has to do with anything, and Aaron was so obviously having a laugh, same as when he said to Maisie, I wish we had had sex now, and she found that funny also :D But I suppose if some don't get Aaron and his dry humour, then they don't and never will :joker:

[Josy]

So........because Aaron said he hasn't had sex in 7 years, he is now a gay, asexual women hater with serious mental issues? Jeezo.

I personally think he was having a laugh tbh.

[psychtracker]

I can't stop laughing at this thread :laugh3: that it even warrants a thread, as I can't see what it has to do with anything, and Aaron was so obviously having a laugh, same as when he said to Maisie, I wish we had had sex now, and she found that funny also :D But I suppose if some don't get Aaron and his dry humour, then they don't and never will :joker:

Well, u might find it funny...but i just object to some of the poster's attitudes and assumptions on this thread. And the dismissal that someone might not have sex for 7 years, whether true or false. I'm male, and i'd freely admit i went a few years without having sex. It doesn't make me asexual or gay. The problem with stupid male ego and peer pressure, is you're not sposed to mention that because you become a laughing stock! You're sposed to play the Jay macho card and wax lyrical about your thousands of imaginary conquests!!

[Suze]

Well, u might find it funny...but i just object to some of the poster's attitudes and assumptions on this thread. And the dismissal that someone might not have sex for 7 years, whether true or false. I'm male, and i'd freely admit i went a few years without having sex. It doesn't make me asexual or gay. The problem with stupid male ego and peer pressure, is you're not sposed to mention that because you become a laughing stock! You're sposed to play the Jay macho card and wax lyrical about your thousands of imaginary conquests!!

I am not laughing at any assumptions made on anything else, read my post again and you will see that what I said I found funny was relating to the title and what the title of the thread refers to. Not any extra assumptions any want to make about Aaron.

[exoticrosebud]

...lol.....

[exoticrosebud]

Wel I once knew a guy whose uncle's, brother's, cousin wallked a dog for a guy whose best friend knew someone who works in mental health and he thinks your talking out your ass. .................

lol.....

[jet]

That's kinda neither here nor there really, that's just your opinion. How would it be if it's actually true, and he hasn't had sex for seven years. Basically it'd mean he's likely one of the more honest HM's. Particularly as it's often male ego which rules honesty when talking about sexual conquests!

So, how would his honesty adversely effect his HM's. Regardless of what you've said about his relationship with Faye, and his other HM's, the primary topic you supported with your original post was the notion that - it's inconceivable he hasn't had sex for seven years, thus has mental problems, or that he has mental problems because he's lying.

If it turns out true, you've shot yourself in the foot!

No - one, including myself, can accurately diagnose mental health problems without actually spending time with the person in question. I thought that would be understood. Giving opinions on what I see on my TV screen based on my own experiences is no different from a layman giving an opinion based on their experiences. Because I have knowledge and experience of a certain subject means I base what I see and hear on that - someone else may base their opinion from an entirely different angle.
From the very little I know about Aaron, I think he may be a closeted gay, so this influences my assessment of him. I don't think all of his issues are a result of that. Not having had sex for 7 years is not as of itself a symptom of mental health problems. Absolutely not. You have to look at the whole picture (limited though that is in this instance) and patterns of behaviour and form an opinion based on those - and that is what it is - just my opinion given on a MB where I come to for a little light hearted enjoyment. Just like everyone else.

[Angus]

No - one, including myself, can accurately diagnose mental health problems without actually spending time with the person in question. I thought that would be understood. Giving opinions on what I see on my TV screen based on my own experiences is no different from a layman giving an opinion based on their experiences. Because I have knowledge and experience of a certain subject means I base what I see and hear on that - someone else may base their opinion from an entirely different angle.
From the very little I know about Aaron, I think he may be a closeted gay, so this influences my assessment of him. I don't think all of his issues are a result of that. Not having had sex for 7 years is not as of itself a symptom of mental health problems. Absolutely not. You have to look at the whole picture (limited though that is in this instance) and patterns of behaviour and form an opinion based on those - and that is what it is - just my opinion given on a MB where I come to for a little light hearted enjoyment. Just like everyone else.

I feel It is extremely unprofessional to use one's so called expertise to label someone as a closet gay just because he flippantly said he had not had sex for 7 years, especially since his actions in the house appear contradictory. In fact in MY professional opinion I have seen absolutey nothing to suggest he is closet gay and can only assume that this accusation is based on stereotypical views of what gay men are like, ie it has been mentioned more than once that Aaron has slightly camp mannerisms. "Camp" is synonymous in some peoples' minds with effeminate, prissy, over sensitive etc.

To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment?:confused: If that is the case, it is an astoundingly sweeping and ignorant generalisation to make.
Furthermore, you cannot possibly form such a diagnosis from such a short, brutally edited version of events.

I, too, come on this forum for light hearted enjoyment, but I cannot let such offensive and bigoted views go without comment and if someone is going to come on here and play the "professional" card, then they need to back it up with proper clinical evaluation and evidence which, of course, is not possible.
Instead we are all of us left with the judgments we make about others based on what facts we are given, and the interesting point in all of this is the very different perspectives people have about others' behaviours, which are naturally based on one's own personal life experiences, values etc. That is the fascination of BB for me, watching the interactions between very different people and making value judgments based on those interactions, as to whom we like or dislike.

[jet]

It is extremely unprofessional to use one's so called expertise to label someone as a closet gay just because he flippantly said he had not had sex for 7 years


Firstly, I am not being paid here to give professional opinions. It’s a MB, and I’ll give my opinion within the rules whether you like it or not.
Secondly, nowhere did I say that I based my opinion of Aaron being closeted on his not having had sex for 7 years.

To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment.

Don’t be ridiculous. You are the only person whose mind that even crossed, I’m sure.

[chuff me dizzy]

And your problem with this is ? ...............

[alex_front2]

I think one of the reasons why people refuse to believe the 7 year abstinence is because's a decent looking, smart guy who won't exactly struggle to get women into bed. Not sure if I believe, but it's getting everyone talking about him both in and out of the house. AND HE KNOWS THIS.

[fruit_cake]

I believe him, he stays at home playing chess all the time

[psychtracker]

No - one, including myself, can accurately diagnose mental health problems without actually spending time with the person in question. So, effectively you're saying your comments and assessments on this thread may be completely inaccurate?

Giving opinions on what I see on my TV screen based on my own experiences is no different from a layman giving an opinion based on their experiences. Agreed.


From the very little I know about Aaron, I think he may be a closeted gay, so this influences my assessment of him. I don't think all of his issues are a result of that.

You actually said on a previous comment that he is gay, quote he's a closeted gay who despises himself for the feelings he has. That's why he is so uptight.. I don't get this obsession with his sexuality. From a "lay" perspective, i get suspicious of people who seem hell bent on making assumptions, and broadcasting their thoughts on other people's sexuality with minimal evidence. It seriously makes me question if the person making these assumptions is actually a closet gay themselves.

just my opinion given on a MB where I come to for a little light hearted enjoyment. Just like everyone else.

If you're coming here for lighthearted enjoyment, you're probably not gonna get it, if open up your comments by saying a HM has mental problems and you're in a position to comment on that, because you're mental health professional.

[Kazanne]

I understand now why a few on here dislike him,they take him at his every word,not knowing when, he is serious or joking,it's his dry wit,so they have him completely wrong,he has left everyone completely baffled and has us talking about him,he's a very clever man and i have a sneaky feeling that the Aaron on the outside is much more of a joker than anyone realises,i feel when he looks back at this he will be doubled up laughing at how some people have fallen for it.Genius Aaron.

[fruit_cake]

i have a sneaky feeling that the Aaron on the outside is much more of a joker than anyone realises,i feel when he looks back at this he will be doubled up laughing at how some people have fallen for it.Genius Aaron.

he deserves an oscar if that's true.

[Cherie]

Maybe we should start a thread about a 19 year old with 49 women under his belt if you will pardon the pun, and stretch the imagination to believe it....or a 27 year old with a 1,000...or a guy who says he has had sex on a nightclub floor.....geez where the respect or indeed normality in that! I dont believe Aaron has not had sex for 7 years, neither do I believe its "normal" for men to boast about their conquests, to their mates perhaps yes but to other women and men he doesnt even know on a reality game show, nothing is normal!

[Cherie]

I agree Kazanne alot of what Aaron does is done with a mischiveious twinkle, I dont doubt he gets proper annoyed about things, but as many previous HMs will vouch for, its the little things that get you in there, I think alot of the stuff he says should be taken with a massive pinch of salt, after all does anyone really believe Jay has had 1,000 birds....? so why are you so sure Aaron is telling the truth...he is not part of the woolpack after all and makes a point of doing the opposite to what they are doing.

[Patricia4]

I understand now why a few on here dislike him,they take him at his every word,not knowing when, he is serious or joking,it's his dry wit,so they have him completely wrong,he has left everyone completely baffled and has us talking about him,he's a very clever man and i have a sneaky feeling that the Aaron on the outside is much more of a joker than anyone realises,i feel when he looks back at this he will be doubled up laughing at how some people have fallen for it.Genius Aaron.

He's the best his dry wit I like.

[psychtracker]

I feel It is extremely unprofessional to use one's so called expertise to label someone as a closet gay just because he flippantly said he had not had sex for 7 years, especially since his actions in the house appear contradictory. In fact in MY professional opinion I have seen absolutey nothing to suggest he is closet gay and can only assume that this accusation is based on stereotypical views of what gay men are like, ie it has been mentioned more than once that Aaron has slightly camp mannerisms. "Camp" is synonymous in some peoples' minds with effeminate, prissy, over sensitive etc.

To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment?:confused: If that is the case, it is an astoundingly sweeping and ignorant generalisation to make.
Furthermore, you cannot possibly form such a diagnosis from such a short, brutally edited version of events.

I, too, come on this forum for light hearted enjoyment, but I cannot let such offensive and bigoted views go without comment and if someone is going to come on here and play the "professional" card, then they need to back it up with proper clinical evaluation and evidence which, of course, is not possible.
Instead we are all of us left with the judgments we make about others based on what facts we are given, and the interesting point in all of this is the very different perspectives people have about others' behaviours, which are naturally based on one's own personal life experiences, values etc. That is the fascination of BB for me, watching the interactions between very different people and making value judgments based on those interactions, as to whom we like or dislike.

I totally AGREE...that's exactly what i've been thinking whilst contributing to this thread, but haven't been able to put it as eloquently and concisely as you have just done.

[jet]

So, effectively you're saying your comments and assessments on this thread may be completely inaccurate?

Of course - just like anyone else’s. I am not employed here to give a professional opinion. I’m giving my opinion based on my own experiences (which includes working with gay youths). If I was employed professionally I would have to have many sessions with a person before coming to any conclusion. Do you expect me not to post my opinions here because I have not had seen Aaron in a professional capacity?

You actually said on a previous comment that he is gay, quote he's a closeted gay who despises himself for the feelings he has. That's why he is so uptight.. I don't get this obsession with his sexuality. From a "lay" perspective, i get suspicious of people who seem hell bent on making assumptions, and broadcasting their thoughts on other people's sexuality with minimal evidence. It seriously makes me question if the person making these assumptions is actually a closet gay themselves.

I don’t get this obsession with his sexuality either. I have pointed out previously that some of his issues may be the result of other things. I find him interesting - whatever the reasons.
Assumptions are being made about ALL the HM’s - many with no basis in fact whatsoever. Other HM’s are being criticized and called names by posters, in some cases very cruelly - much worse that any opinion I have made of Aaron. Are you lecturing them also? Why should Aaron be any different?
Perhaps a moderator could put me right on which opinions I am allowed to have and those I am not?
For the record, I am happily married man with children. If I was gay, I would be proud to say so.

[jet]

To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment?


I would be interested to know why you have come to that belief, and of whom you are referring to?


I cannot let such offensive and bigoted views go without comment

Which offensive and bigoted views were they?

You have implied that I (and maybe some others) have homophobic and bigoted views with no good reason. Perhaps you could explain why you have made such serious allegations. Meanwhile, I have reported your post.

[alex_front2]

I think speculating on Aaron's mental health is futile and a bit degrading. Unless we know for a fact with a diagnosis then it's quite tasteless. I joke that Jay is an uncontrollable psycho, but the fact is I don't know.

[psychtracker]

Of course - just like anyone else’s. I am not employed here to give a professional opinion. I’m giving my opinion based on my own experiences (which includes working with gay youths). If I was employed professionally I would have to have many sessions with a person before coming to any conclusion. Do you expect me not to post my opinions here because I have not had seen Aaron in a professional capacity?


I just find it a bit perplexing that you can make some rather brash and unfounded comments, and then vindicate them by stating you're a professional in mental health. Which in effect is saying - you're the expert here, and you know best.

Assumptions are being made about ALL the HM’s - many with no basis in fact whatsoever. Other HM’s are being criticized and called names by posters, in some cases very cruelly - much worse that any opinion I have made of Aaron. Are you lecturing them also? Why should Aaron be any different?

It doesn't matter to me which housemate a topic is concerning, if i read what i consider to be dodgy comments, it's my right to offer a counter argument.

[Livia]

I think he has mental problems, yes. I'm in a position to comment on that, as mental health is my profession.

You've quite clearly stated here that your comment was made in your capacity as a "mental health professional". You say "I am in a position to comment on that..." because of your claimed profession. Your opinion doesn't count any more or any less than anyone else's on here. And if you really are a mental health professional you'll realise that claiming to be able to sum someone up in the way that you have after watching him on the telly for a few weeks doesn't add any weight to your claim.

[jet]

I think speculating on Aaron's mental health is futile and a bit degrading. Unless we know for a fact with a diagnosis then it's quite tasteless. I joke that Jay is an uncontrollable psycho, but the fact is I don't know.

BB is a game show where the HM's put themselves up for public scrutiny. This is a MB where we can scrutinize them. It seems only Aaron should be immune from that. :rolleyes:

[soundslike]

Being in a mental health profession doesn't mean you will always judge a persons mannerisms correctly. How many top psychiatrist have been fooled by people or have made huge mistakes about someone.
I don't like Aaron but I think he was just closing down the question that was asked. In other words I don't know you well enough to give you that information so he played on it. Good for him some things are best kept private.

He could be straight, he could be bi he could even be gay, no one knows but Aaron. I suppose its his business and not something he wants to discuss with anyone or maybe its part of his game so he appeals to the gay followers.

[jet]

You've quite clearly stated here that your comment was made in your capacity as a "mental health professional". You say "I am in a position to comment on that..." because of your claimed profession. Your opinion doesn't count any more or any less than anyone else's on here. And if you really are a mental health professional you'll realise that claiming to be able to sum someone up in the way that you have after watching him on the telly for a few weeks doesn't add any weight to your claim.

That was said light heartedly and 'tongue in cheek'. It is hard to convey intent on a MB.
However, as a MHP I do think that I am in a better position to spot some things than others may be - especially as I studied body language for my post grad thesis and have had several articles published on the subject. Of course I realize I can't know anything for sure - how could any of us? I thought my opinions might be of some interest and add to the conversation but I realize that the subject of Aaron is a touchy one for some reason.

[jet]

Being in a mental health profession doesn't mean you will always judge a persons mannerisms correctly. How many top psychiatrist have been fooled by people or have made huge mistakes about someone.

Very true, soundslike.

[Vicky.]

I thought my opinions might be of some interest and add to the conversation but I realize that the subject of Aaron is a touchy one for some reason.

Nah, its not the subject of Aaron. Its the way you made out on entering this thread that your opinion was more likely to be right than anyone elses because of your 'profession'. And that you followed that up by labeling mental problems based on next to nothing and the fact that being uptight apparently is enough to label someone a closet gay.

I will never understand the people who seem to think they know better about other peoples sexuality. As if theres any defining characteristics of any sexuality...the most butch guy you can imagine who claims to have slept with 36478365345 women could just as easily be gay as a metrosexual guy who claims to be a virgin.

Its also a bit odd that you would come to this conclusion given that you apparently have 20 years experience working with homosexuals, so really you should know better than to say someone is 'closetted' based on their behaviour. Very odd.

[Angus]

I would be interested to know why you have come to that belief, and of whom you are referring to?




Which offensive and bigoted views were they?

You have implied that I (and maybe some others) have homophobic and bigoted views with no good reason. Perhaps you could explain why you have made such serious allegations. Meanwhile, I have reported your post.

Your post to which I responded speaks for itself, and cannot be interpreted in any other way. It is extremely disingenuous of you to try and backtrack and take the moral high ground. You invoked your "professional" opinion about a man's sexuality and mental health based on watching a few minutes of severely edited scenes shown on a reality entertainment show. You implied your "professional" opinion was somehow superior to the layman's and when you were called out on it, you tried to backtrack.

Report away - you don't have a leg to stand on.

[Marmalite]

You could be right.The gay thing is what Tom saw in him originally.


Oh please!!!

Tom would be pining over the fake gorilla if it had shown him enough attention!

[jet]

Nah, its not the subject of Aaron. Its the way you made out on entering this thread that your opinion was more likely to be right than anyone elses because of your 'profession'. And that you followed that up by labeling mental problems based on next to nothing and the fact that being uptight apparently is enough to label someone a closet gay.

I will never understand the people who seem to think they know better about other peoples sexuality. As if theres any defining characteristics of any sexuality...the most butch guy you can imagine who claims to have slept with 36478365345 women could just as easily be gay as a metrosexual guy who claims to be a virgin.

Its also a bit odd that you would come to this conclusion given that you apparently have 20 years experience working with homosexuals, so really you should know better than to say someone is 'closetted' based on their behaviour. Very odd.

Where did I say I had 20 years experience working with homosexuals? Honestly, the Aaron protection league is working overboard on this thread. I said I had worked with gay youths - but did not mention for how long. Just like others, you are putting words into my mouth I did not say. :nono:
I repeat, BB is a game show, and the HM's put themselves up for scrutiny by the public when they enter the house. I can choose to scrutinize any HM I please within the rules of this board, using my professional experience or not as I wish.
You all really should calm down - Aaron is not God. And I find it hilarious that you think my behaviour is 'odd' and criticize it whenever Aaron behaviour is distinctly odd and you all praise it. Very strange. I have a professional opinion about that but I'll not voice it as I wouldn't want words put into my mouth again.

[Patrick]

His son is like 6...

It's a lie - The Lord is kidding, take a joke.

[Vicky.]

Where did I say I had 20 years experience working with homosexuals? Honestly, the Aaron protection league is working overboard on this thread. I said I had worked with gay youths - but did not mention for how long. Just like others, you are putting words into my mouth I did not say. :nono:
I repeat, BB is a game show, and the HM's put themselves up for scrutiny by the public when they enter the house. I can choose to scrutinize any HM I please within the rules of this board, using my professional experience or not as I wish.
You all really should calm down - Aaron is not God. And I find it hilarious that you think my behaviour is 'odd' and criticize it whenever Aaron behaviour is distinctly odd and you all praise it. Very strange. I have a professional opinion about that but I'll not voice it as I wouldn't want words put into my mouth again.
Oddly enough, I have a quite good memory, and remembered you saying something similar during BB10. Only then you were calling on your experience to defend a housemate you liked, rather than against a housemate you didnt like. So forgive me if I think the majority of what you say is absolute crap.

Yes, I have a problem with prejudice against butch lesbians. I have been a volunteer in my community for over 20 years trying to further equal rights for homosexuals. I have seen too many young people commit suicide, I have seen too many people beat up and even murdered because of their sexuality to be complacent and let things go.


So...was this untrue then?

[Samuel.]

His son is like 6...

It's a lie - The Lord is kidding, take a joke.

9 months of pregnancy.

Though maybe you're right about it being a joke.

[jet]

Your post to which I responded speaks for itself, and cannot be interpreted in any other way. It is extremely disingenuous of you to try and backtrack and take the moral high ground. You invoked your "professional" opinion about a man's sexuality and mental health based on watching a few minutes of severely edited scenes shown on a reality entertainment show. You implied your "professional" opinion was somehow superior to the layman's and when you were called out on it, you tried to backtrack.

Report away - you don't have a leg to stand on.

I ask again that you quote where I have said something homophobic or offensive. As you have not already done so, I take it that you can't back up your allegations.
Once again, I did not 'invoke my professional opinion' - Since I had not been consulted and paid for my services, I used my own experiences, as you all do, to form an opinion on a MB which is there for that purpose. As I have not been told that mentioning a profession is not allowed, I will give an opinion whenever I please.
Aaron needs to get help when he gets out of the BB house. Perhaps he would like my number.

[jet]

Oddly enough, I have a quite good memory, and remembered you saying something similar during BB10. Only then you were calling on your experience to defend a housemate you liked, rather than against a housemate you didnt like. So forgive me if I think the majority of what you say is absolute crap.



So...was this untrue then?

No, it was true. A lot of my work involved gay youths. I was pointing out that nowhere on this thread did I say that I had 20 years experience working with homosexuals. It was one example of someone inventing words I did not say.
As you have such a good memory, I assume you remember that my fav HM in BB10 was Lisa, who was a lesbian. I would think from my postings of that time that you are perfectly aware I am not homophobic yet you let me be branded as one and said nothing. You only posted when you thought you had 'caught me out'. How selective you are.

[Vicky.]

No, it was true. A lot of my work involved gay youths. I was pointing out that nowhere on this thread did I say that I had 20 years experience working with homosexuals. It was one example of someone inventing words I did not say.
As you have such a good memory, I assume you remember that my fav HM in BB10 was Lisa, who was a lesbian. I would think from my postings of that time that you are perfectly aware I am not homophobic yet you let me be branded as one and said nothing. You only posted when you thought you had 'caught me out'. How selective you are.
I only remember Lisa was your fave, and your 20 years of experience because you repeatedly called ME(and a few others) homophobic back then purely for not liking Lisa. Dont flatter yourself :wink:

Personally, I would say it was quite homophobic to say someone is closetted based on their mannerisms and behaviour, but clearly you disagree.

[jet]

So forgive me if I think the majority of what you say is absolute crap.

That is offensive, and I don't forgive you.

[Vicky.]

That is offensive, and I don't forgive you.

Ah well. I'm sure I'll survive.

[Kazanne]

Ah well. I'm sure I'll survive.

Pass the tissues please Vicky:bawling::joker:

[jet]

I only remember Lisa was your fave, and your 20 years of experience because you repeatedly called ME(and a few others) homophobic back then purely for not liking Lisa. Dont flatter yourself :wink:

Personally, I would say it was quite homophobic to say someone is closetted based on their mannerisms alone, but clearly you disagree.

So your memory is only good when it works in your favour. :wink: And haven't you just admitted you knew I wasn't homophobic?
....and there you go again, putting words into my mouth - quote where I said I based my opinion on mannerisms alone....

[Vicky.]

So your memory is only good when it works in your favour. :wink: And haven't you just admitted you knew I wasn't homophobic?
....and there you go again, putting words into my mouth - quote where I said I based my opinion on mannerisms alone....

So what DID you base that on then? Since we see small edited to hell clips only?

I dont know you arent homophobic either, so I wont admit that. Just because you claim to have worked for 20 years with homosexuals(brought up to defend your fave at the time) doesnt mean you have, or are not homophobic ;) Nor does the fact that you once liked a lesbian on BB and defended her in any way possible.

And no, my memory is good when events clearly stand out in my mind because of how absurd they were in the first place.

[jet]

So what DID you base that on then? Since we see small edited to hell clips only?

I dont know you arent homophobic either, so I wont admit that. Just because you claim to have worked for 20 years with homosexuals(brought up to defend your fave at the time) doesnt mean you have, or are not homophobic ;) Nor does the fact that you once liked a lesbian on BB and defended her in any way possible.

And no, my memory is good when events clearly stand out in my mind because of how absurd they were in the first place.

I'm hardly going to give the reasons I based it on now, am I? I'd prefer not to be harrassed all over again.
I think it is rather desperate and stalkerish to go and search someone's posts of over 2 years ago to try and discredit them. Very underhand behaviour, in my book.
For the record, I don't give a toss whether you think I am homophobic or a liar. I know I'm an honest person. I just happen to have opinions you don't like. Too bad. Get over it.

[Vicky.]

I'm hardly going to give the reasons I based it on now, am I? I'd prefer not to be harrassed all over again.
I think it is rather desperate and stalkerish to go and search someone's posts of over 2 years ago to try and discredit them. Very underhand behaviour, in my book.
For the record, I don't give a toss whether you think I am homophobic or a liar. I know I'm an honest person. I just happen to have opinions you don't like. Too bad. Get over it.

As I thought :D

Also, for the record, it takes literally 5 seconds to search 'jet' and 'lisa' and 'homophobic. The things I knew it contained. I didnt read back over every one of your posts from BB10 if thats what you are trying to imply.

[jet]

As I thought :D

So you criticize me for giving opinions based on my professional experience and then you give a smug response when I don't give them. I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. Good lord.
I think Aaron has affected your thinking. Go take a cold shower or something. :hugesmile:

[Vicky.]

You gave nothing based on your professional experience in the first place. You simply gave your opinion and made out that it was based on professional experience.

This is the problem that most people had with your posts in this thread.

Something you seem unable to comprehend.

[jet]

Also, for the record, it takes literally 5 seconds to search 'jet' and 'lisa' and 'homophobic. The things I knew it contained. I didnt read back over every one of your posts from BB10 if thats what you are trying to imply.

I find it disturbing that you would search for the words 'jet' and 'homophobic' in the first place. It gives me the shivers to think of you tapping away on your computer looking for something to discredit me. I think I need to log off for a while.

[Vicky.]

Of course I would search those words given that i remembered a post you made about the same thing, that contained those words.

Get over yourself, as if I would just randomly search for your name and homophobic in the hope that something came up :laugh:

[Foebane100]

Can we lock this whole thread it is a pile of rubbish

[boomoo]

Many gay men marry and have children and their wives have no idea. Surely you know that? They say 'but he was so PASSIONATE' etc...Aaron definitely has serious issues of one kind or another. We can only guess what those might be...

Well his first action was on Tom
If that was not serious then it was an attention grab.

[Niamh.]

Well his first action was on Tom
If that was not serious then it was an attention grab.

Or they were playing a game? Noirin snogged Angel in BB10 and no one made out she was a closet lesbian ..............funny that

[jet]

Of course I would search those words given that i remembered a post you made about the same thing, that contained those words.

Get over yourself, as if I would just randomly search for your name and homophobic in the hope that something came up :laugh:

But you did just that. And what do you mean 'of course I would search those words'? Do you do this sort of thing all the time then? Creepy stuff.

[Vicky.]

But you did just that. And what do you mean 'of course I would search those words'? Do you do this sort of thing all the time then? Creepy stuff.

Yup, if I clearly remember a post that would fit in with the current conversation :hugesmile:

I fail to see how it is creepy either, many many people use the search function on a regular basis :)

[jet]

Yup, if I clearly remember a post that would fit in with the current conversation :hugesmile:

I fail to see how it is creepy either, many many people use the search function on a regular basis :)

Do they use it to look up stuff over 2 years old because they want to find something to use against someone? Don't try to put others in the same light as yourself. That's pathetic.

[Vicky.]

Do they use it to look up stuff over 2 years old because they want to find something to use against someone? Don't try to put others in the same light as yourself. That's pathetic.

I dont know, ask the people who use it :)

And LOL at how worked up you are getting over this. You did make the post, I remembered it, big bloody deal :laugh3:

[jet]

I dont know, ask the people who use it :)

And LOL at how worked up you are getting over this. You did make the post, I remembered it, big bloody deal :laugh3:

Remembering a post of mine from so long ago and searching for it 'makes my skin crawl'.... echoing the words of Nicky on tonights BOTS when she was referring to Aaron. :dance:

[Vicky.]

Ah well. Again, I can live with that :)