Jems emotional manipulation...

[Vicky.]

She pretty much is saying she will leave if Faye doesnt dump Aaron :bored:

If my sis came into BB when I was in, ruined my fun, and tried to tell me what to do...I would just say 'well go then' tbh :/

[Pyramid*]

She pretty much is saying she will leave if Faye doesnt dump Aaron :bored:

If my sis came into BB when I was in, ruined my fun, and tried to tell me what to do...I would just say 'well go then' tbh :/


She's something else isnt' she ...... I think she is so completely and utterly eaten up with resentement towards Faye - a complete control freak and a thoroughly unpleasant woman in every possible way.

Emotional blackmail is a low and sick thing to do to anyone.

[Vicky.]

I feel really sorry for Faye, shes stuck between a rock and a hard place now.

[Cherry Christmas]

Kinnell.....sitting in her wooly hat in the dirty bed, with a grubby top with the sleeves practically dragging in her scrambled eggs, pulling hairs out of her food....what a total head *uck this woman is ....

[Jords]

Jem is being a bit cheeky isnt she.

[Babschap]

Kinnell.....sitting in her wooly hat in the dirty bed, with a grubby top with the sleeves practically dragging in her scrambled eggs, pulling hairs out of her food....what a total head *uck this woman is ....

I agree with you OP, she needs to go, totally horrible to watch.

[Doogle]

I'd just want her to leave.

[Cherry Christmas]

How hard faced did she look on the rowing task.... and belching .... urgh.

[Marmalite]

When Jem came in she spoke about how hard she had it growing up and that Faye was the spoilt one who always got it her own way and was given everything.

I'm beginning to think it was the other way around as Jem strikes me as an extremely selfish and manipulative women who wants everyone to do what she says and do what she wants regardless of whether it is the best thing for them.

Mind you, as I've said in another thread Faye needs to grow some balls and tell her sister to get lost - she's 19 going on 20 not 12 going on 13!

[Patricia4]

Faye need's to show her the door.
Goodbye

[Suze]

When Jem came in she spoke about how hard she had it growing up and that Faye was the spoilt one who always got it her own way and was given everything.

I'm beginning to think it was the other way around as Jem strikes me as an extremely selfish and manipulative women who wants everyone to do what she says and do what she wants regardless of whether it is the best thing for them.

Mind you, as I've said in another thread Faye needs to grow some balls and tell her sister to get lost - she's 19 going on 20 not 12 going on 13!

To me it seems Faye is trying to live up to her sisters ideals set, maybe that's why she followed her into wrestling. But with Jem's disregard for Faye's feelings and her obvious jealousy of Faye, nothing Faye does will ever be good enough for Jem, why, she even thinks she is like a mother to Faye, yeah, a bliddy overbearing mother. Bet she has ruined many a relationship of Faye's through jealousy. Faye thought she escaped her by going into the BB house, and she even managed to follow her in there :o No wonder Faye seems so f'd up when it comes to the opposite sex and how to form a meaningful relationship or to put her trust in a partner such as Aaron could be if they both wanted it to be.

Faye needs to call her sister's bluff and let her walk, after all not many more weeks of this BB left, so why worry if her sister walks.

[jyunga]

Anyone consider Gem is trying to make Faye win the game by doing all this? I don't think she is seriously trying to make Faye break up with Aaron at all. I think she's causing drama with Faye so the public will see more of Faye and less of FAaron. Faye is a lot more popular sense Gem came in.
This drama makes Gem look like a tool and makes people feel for Faye and the more Faye defends Aaron the more his fans like her and lean towards her.

[Cherry Christmas]

Anyone consider Gem is trying to make Faye win the game by doing all this? I don't think she is seriously trying to make Faye break up with Aaron at all. I think she's causing drama with Faye so the public will see more of Faye and less of FAaron. Faye is a lot more popular sense Gem came in.
This drama makes Gem look like a tool and makes people feel for Faye and the more Faye defends Aaron the more his fans like her and lean towards her.

Good point, though I seriously dont think she is that good a game player, I think she it REALLY jealous of Faye, and seems like a totally spoilt selfish beech.

[Gillian-73]

The way she always brings their mum in to it annoys me it's so immature like when we were kids, i'm gonna tell mum of you!

[Pyramid*]

She is a nasty, vindictive, spiteful woman, and she's coming across as being eaten up by venom and resentment for Faye - regardless of what it is - how she acts, speaks, dresses, what she does, with who.

I don't say this often but I feel for Faye having a relative, far less a sister that is like that.

Having watched Jem for these past weeks: it is perfectly understandable why she is alone and has no friends...... who the hell would want a friend like her? they'd have to be crackers.

[Incensed]

She's really coming across as a control freak! Faye should just tell her, thanks for thinking of me but just butt out.

[BJ]

I think Jem is a vile and spiteful woman. Actually I wish she and Faye would both leave.

Aaron needs to stay well clear of the whole family. A relationship between him and Faye clearly wouldn't work.

[Pyramid*]

She's really coming across as a control freak! Faye should just tell her, thanks for thinking of me but just butt out.

I think Jem is a vile and spiteful woman. Actually I wish she and Faye would both leave.

Aaron needs to stay well clear of the whole family. A relationship between him and Faye clearly wouldn't work.


Faye does display the same behaviour as Jem though not as much - it makes me wonder if the mother is the same.

Christ, what a family either way..... Dear God.

[Suze]

Faye does display the same behaviour as Jem though not as much - it makes me wonder if the mother is the same.

Christ, what a family either way..... Dear God.

I think it's rubbed off on Faye by trying to live up to her sister's expectations of her. No wonder she is so all over the place.

[Raven]

None of that holds true if you consider Aaron to be a manipulative game playing jerk..... then it becomes a sister trying to look out for her younger sibling but when that sibling won't listen to reason, not wanting to stick arround and wait for the train wreck to happen.

[joeysteele]

I recall not long ago though just after Jemma came in some message came from their Mum who added give my best wishes to Aaron.

Clearly their Mum had no worries then.

[Raven]

I recall not long ago though just after Jemma came in some message came from their Mum who added give my best wishes to Aaron.

Clearly their Mum had no worries then.

Really? Can you think of a more polite way of saying "I'm watching you young man!"

[Razor]

Jem has brought nothing to the show and is a wasted housemate. She also comes across as jealous of her sister. Such a shame. :(

[luminoussun]

I think faye and jem are being selfish.
Jem is blackmailing her sister into not being with Aaron and faye is blackmailing jem by saying she will leave if jem does and saying she is ruining her time.
On one hand i can understand jem looking out for a sister if she believes aaron is using her.But at the same time i feel for faye because she likes aaron and she loves her sister...but she is a woman and decides who she is with.

[joeysteele]

Really? Can you think of a more polite way of saying "I'm watching you young man!"

I wouldn't send my best wishes to anyone I didn't think was particularly nice so I disagree.

[Rustic bauble]

I think Jem is a vile and spiteful woman. Actually I wish she and Faye would both leave.

Aaron needs to stay well clear of the whole family. A relationship between him and Faye clearly wouldn't work.

The unfortunate thing is the relationship will not work now because Faye is caught in an awkward position....her sister has come between Aaron and Faye and desroyed any chance of a relationship.This relationship seemed very natural but Faye now seems to have to make a public choice and in such early stages blood will prove thicker than water....but it could fester and cause bad feeling in years to come. :sad:

[michael21]

She pretty much is saying she will leave if Faye doesnt dump Aaron :bored:

If my sis came into BB when I was in, ruined my fun, and tried to tell me what to do...I would just say 'well go then' tbh :/

did you swallow a dictionary before you posted the thread Title :suspect:

[boomoo]

I feel really sorry for Faye, shes stuck between a rock and a hard place now.

She is stuck because she cannot count. I do not kbow how she accepted a man who said he had not had sex for seven years and he has a six year old son.
Strange. No wonder her sister is trying to help her.
The Daily Star says it quite plainly and Gem would know that before she went in having seen Aaron's VT.

[SoBig]

Faye is so ****ing annoying. Aaron needs to get rid of her.

[vesavius]

She pretty much is saying she will leave if Faye doesnt dump Aaron :bored:

If my sis came into BB when I was in, ruined my fun, and tried to tell me what to do...I would just say 'well go then' tbh :/

I think it's impossible to judge Jem for emotional manipulation when she shares a house with Aaron.

I would never be able to criticise her for it while turning a blind side to him doing it constantly.

[Vicky.]

I think it's impossible to judge Jem for emotional manipulation when she shares a house with Aaron.

I would never be able to criticise her for it while turning a blind side to him doing it and judge her so harshly.

I have yet to see Aaron threaten Faye with him leaving if he doesnt get his own way, purely to get her to listen to him :)

I know you think Aaron is playing with fayes emotions and that, but I dont. Hence why I can judge Jem for this when shes in a house with Aaron

[vesavius]

I have yet to see Aaron threaten Faye with him leaving if he doesnt get his own way, purely to get her to listen to him :)

I know you think Aaron is playing with fayes emotions and that, but I dont. Hence why I can judge Jem for this when shes in a house with Aaron

No, he threatens her with 'speaking bans', which is an awful thing to do in a tiny house like that and a sure sign of an emotional bully.

I didn't say he had done what you say here specifically, I was refering to his constant emotional manipulation of both her and the entire house via his constant sulks, moods, etc.

Aaron is a massive emotional manipulator. The biggest in the house.

[Vicky.]

No, he threatens her with 'speaking bans', which is an awful thing to do in a tiny house like that and a sure sign of an emotional bully.

I didn't say he had done what you say here specifically, I was refering to his constant emotional manipulation of both her and the entire house via his constant sulks, moods, etc.

Aaron is a massive emotional manipulator. The biggest in the house.

I see the speaking ban/sulks thing as just avoiding conflict tbh :shrug:

[vesavius]

I see the speaking ban/sulks thing as just avoiding conflict tbh :shrug:

No, sulking is actually a form of conflict, just a passive aggressive one.

The speaking ban threat is just disgusting.

[Vicky.]

So...avoiding conflict is aggressive in some way...interesting

[vesavius]

So...avoiding conflict is aggressive in some way...interesting


Yep, your right, it is interesting.

Passive aggressive behaviours are nasty, but interesting.

But sulking isn't 'avoiding' conflict at all. Like I say, it IS a form of conflict. It IS a form of avoiding direct confrontation, but that isn't the same thing.

[Marmalite]

She is stuck because she cannot count. I do not kbow how she accepted a man who said he had not had sex for seven years and he has a six year old son.
Strange. No wonder her sister is trying to help her.
The Daily Star says it quite plainly and Gem would know that before she went in having seen Aaron's VT.


Err not sure if anyone has explained this to you but a baby takes 9 months to grow to full term in a women's womb before they are born.

So I expect he's not saying it is exactly 7 years to the day, but he's counting the 6 years of his sons life (you don't know when he turned 6 - it could be 6 or 10 months ago) plus the 9 months the mother was pregnant with him.

It's really not that hard to figure it out - if you put your mind to it and understand human biology. So clearly it's not Faye that has the counting problem here.

[Vicky.]

But sulking isn't 'avoiding' conflict at all. Like I say, it IS a form of conflict. It IS a form of avoiding direct confrontation, but that isn't the same thing.

IMO its exactly the same. In real life he would just walk away and stay away, or just not call or visit the person he was mad with until he chills...however he cant exactly do that in there. So it seems like just sulking :)

[vesavius]

IMO its exactly the same.

Well, I won't go into why I consider you opinion wrong here Vicky, it's not the place and tbh I cba this time of night lol, so we will agree to disagree on this one.

What I will say though (and your welcome to the last word) is that sulking is very much passive aggressive.

I know it's only Wikipedia, but you can do some deeper reading if your interested; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive%E2%80%93aggressive_behavior

Signs and symptoms

The book Living with the Passive–Aggressive Man lists 11 responses that may help identify passive–aggressive behavior:[1]

Ambiguity or speaking cryptically: a means of creating a feeling of insecurity in others or of disguising one's own insecurities.

Fear of competition

Fear of dependency

Fear of intimacy as a means to act out anger: The passive–aggressive often cannot trust. Because of this, they guard themselves against becoming intimately attached to someone.

Making chaotic situations

Making excuses for non-performance in work teams

Obstructionism

Procrastination

Sulking

[Vicky.]

I see you cut off my reason for why I think its is the same (avoiding conflict, as opposed to 'sulking') in this case, because a different environment to usual is involved...

Nevermind :)