If Faye was your daughter/sister would you be an Aaron fan?

[jet]

Seriously, would you?

[Cromwell1900]

Not in a month of Sundays.

How could you want a person who burns bridges with family just because they have been talking about you behind your back.

[Bluerang1]

I think I would to make my sister happy. It's not that I dislike Aaron, it's the whole fanfare I hate making he dislike him. Plus he's game, it's too obvious it's weird.

[Roy Mars III]

I would be more worried that I had Faye and Jem as daughters.

[jet]

I would be more worried that I had Faye and Jem as daughters.

You didn't answer my question though.

[Roy Mars III]

You didn't answer my question though.

yes, I would

[Vicky.]

Yes, I would probably like him more as he appears to make 'my sister' happy.

I know they have had rough patches, but I do not think he has treated her badly at all :)

[Cromwell1900]

Yes, I would probably like him more as he appears to make 'my sister' happy.

I know they have had rough patches, but I do not think he has treated her badly at all :)

The Palmers strike me as quite a close nit family though, add an Aaron type into that mix and there's gonna be tears.

[jet]

Yes, I would probably like him more as he appears to make 'my sister' happy.

I know they have had rough patches, but I do not think he has treated her badly at all :)

Really? Why do you think many of the HM's relatives think he has then - not just Faye's Mum?

[Vicky.]

Really? Why do you think many of the HM's relatives think he has then - not just Faye's Mum?

No idea, they only see the edited HLs, just like we do, its not like they have 24/7 LF or anything :)

[SoBig]

Well I'm a male and to answer the question, hell no. I wouldn't want my daughter or sister having a showmance on TV. Thats embarrassing.

[Cromwell1900]

Lets not forget within a few hours of Gem entering, he was putting 2 fingers up to the family way by encouraging Faye to defy her big sis and Smoke.

Hardly a bloke on his best behavior and wanting to impress.

[jet]

No idea, they only see the edited HLs, just like we do, its not like they have 24/7 LF or anything :)

That's a cop out. As they only see the edited HL's too just as we do - why do you think he hasn't treated her badly and they do? :conf:

[Vicky.]

That's a cop out. As they only see the edited HL's too just as we do - why do you think he hasn't treated her badly and they do? :conf:

If I could read peoples minds, I would tell you how they think differently to me. As it happens, I cannot read minds, so how can I answer that?

[jet]

yes, I would

Do you have any daughters/sisters?

[jet]

If I could read peoples minds, I would tell you how they think differently to me. As it happens, I cannot read minds, so how can I answer that?

Your evasion speaks volumes.

[Roy Mars III]

Do you have any daughters/sisters?

5 daughters.

[Vicky.]

Well what am I supposed to say? Seriously?!

How on earth would I know why other people have a different opinion to me?

This thread is ridiculous if thats going to be your accusation throughout tbh.

[the-gaffer]

Really? Why do you think many of the HM's relatives think he has then - not just Faye's Mum?

Lets not forget within a few hours of Gem entering, he was putting 2 fingers up to the family way by encouraging Faye to defy her big sis and Smoke.

Hardly a bloke on his best behavior and wanting to impress.
I personally wouldn't go with a smoker, however he was only encouraging his closest confidant in the house to enjoy her liberty of freedom, Faye was obviously smoking before she went into the house, you don't just start for no reason, Jem went in there with an agenda to no give the guy a chance, anyway it's not a normal situation, when you meet the other halves family you're generally on your best behaviour and it only lasts a few hours, not trapped with them 24/7 in what's basically a game of mental endurance, Jem treats Faye like shes 12

[jet]

Well what am I supposed to say? Seriously?!

How on earth would I know why other people have a different opinion to me?

This thread is ridiculous if thats going to be your accusation throughout tbh.

So you never have an opinion on other peoples opinions? I thought you did in the past - and will in the future...this will be interesting to follow...

[Vicky.]

So you never have an opinion on other peoples opinions? I thought you did in the past - and will in the future...this will be interesting to follow...

Again..what?

I think they are seeing things differently to me. Thats all. I have yet to see this terrible mistreatment. If anything, it seems to be Faye messing Aaron around, more than the other way round.

I dunno...maybe because shes a girl she gets more sympathy from certain people when she cries about the relationship, whilst the same people who see Aaron being upset over it think its just part of his gameplan? Maybe the families are under the impression that the VTs show the real person so see everything Aaron does as manipulation...when I think that the person they are in the house is more likely to be real...

A lot of maybes and ifs. Because noone can possibly know how anyone comes to the opinion they do :laugh:

[Tourmaline]

Really? Why do you think many of the HM's relatives think he has then - not just Faye's Mum?

Because they want their own son or daughter to win and they see Aaron as a major threat!

[Raven]

Nope, if faye was my daughter Aaron would best off emigrating. I wouldn't be amused at him playing nastyspiteful manipulative games with her... nor would I think him even close to good enough for her

[Cromwell1900]

I personally wouldn't go with a smoker, however he was only encouraging his closest confidant in the house to enjoy her liberty of freedom, Faye was obviously smoking before she went into the house, you don't just start for no reason, Jem went in there with an agenda to no give the guy a chance, anyway it's not a normal situation, when you meet the other halves family you're generally on your best behaviour and it only lasts a few hours, not trapped with them 24/7 in what's basically a game of mental endurance, Jem treats Faye like shes 12

Well she's 19, i just think Gem had a right to tell her sister to not smoke. I don't think she did smoke before going into the house, as Faye said the smoking was going to stop after BB.

The point for me is don't try and get in the way of family, not in a "krey twins" way but, in that Gem knows better than Aaron what is right for Faye, even if it seems bossy, for me to override Gem in that situation i'd feel like a cheeky so and so.

[jet]

Again..what?

I think they are seeing things differently to me. Thats all. I have yet to see this terrible mistreatment. If anything, it seems to be Faye messing Aaron around, more than the other way round.

I dunno...maybe because shes a girl she gets more sympathy from certain people when she cries about the relationship, whilst the same people who see Aaron being upset over it think its just part of his gameplan? Maybe the families are under the impression that the VTs show the real person so see everything Aaron does as manipulation...when I think that the person they are in the house is more likely to be real...

A lot of maybes and ifs. Because noone can possibly know how anyone comes to the opinion they do :laugh:

Thanks for answering with more substance. I'd be interested to learn why you thing Faye messes Aaron around though??? IMO he is 30 years old, manipulative, self centred with has many quirks and hang ups - and I think she is just an insecure 19 year old who and reacts spontaneously to his weirdness. But you think she messes him around? I really don't get it.

[jet]

Because they want their own son or daughter to win and they see Aaron as a major threat!

If that was the case they should have voted for Alex.

[James]

Faye is 21. She was listed as 20 when last year she was in the final 50 or whatever it was. Maybe she is counting backwards or something... And I don't think Aaron is doing anything wrong in there with her.

[Vicky.]

Thanks for answering with more substance. I'd be interested to learn why you thing Faye messes Aaron around though??? IMO he is 30 years old, manipulative, self centred with has many quirks and hang ups - and I think she is just an insecure 19 year old who and reacts spontaneously to his weirdness. But you think she messes him around? I really don't get it.

Shes the one who is finishing with him over and over then going back, which will obviously be confusing, she tried it on with Anton and then went mental at Aaron for NOT getting jealous. She didnt want him until he kissed Maisy, then started acting like a wife scorned. Shes constantly looking for reassurance of their relationship, like when she was on about the facebook status thing and said something along the lines of 'would we be a. single b. in a relationship or c. its complicated' he said B...so she said 'single?!' ' no' ' complicated?!' 'no' 'well what then?' even though she knew which answer he gave. When he says coupley things to her..like when they were discussing going out together on the outside(when they were sat at the table) she acts like she doesnt want to meet up after the show...she takes the hump when he refuses to drop everything for her the second she wants his attention(when he was talking to tom and she was trying to butt in...Im still not convinced her even heard her, and as soon as he realised she was upset he went to see what was wrong). She accuses him of 'scaring her' and being aggressive when they have conversations, even though its HER that comes off as aggressive. Aaron is about as aggressive as a new born lamb.

Many reasons tbh. Little things all add up.

Just total mixed signals IMO.

Where as at least Aaron is consistent where the 'relationship' is concerned. Tom pointed this out a few days ago too.

Tom: At least Aarons consistent. Like hes always like hes never been...hes always like yeah I wanna be with you, whereas every other day faye seems to change her mind

http://apps.facebook.com/bigbrother-uk/article/Day-44-Jem-and-Tom-wake-up-and-talk-Faye/

Felt the need to back up that with an actual vid, as if you hadnt seen it then you would think i was making it up :p


He may be huffy etc some of the time...but he doesnt blow hot and cold like she does.

(Feel the need to add...despite all of this, shes still my fave female at the minute. As I still think shes a good housemate :p)

[Cromwell1900]

Faye is 21. She was listed as 20 when last year she was in the final 50 or whatever it was. Maybe she is counting backwards or something... And I don't think Aaron is doing anything wrong in there with her.

Arr they said 19 on Bots tonight, but iv heard 21 elsewhere.

What did you make of Aaron's attitude to Faye after the letters from home, where they were in the Bathroom, and he brought up the fact that Faye had re made friends with Louise after he had took the blame for the Stranded task walk out?

Was that not a little controlling?

[iRyan]

Prob not.

[GypsyGoth]

I think I would be a fan of Aaron if Faye was my sister. She likes him and that's what would matter to me.

[bananarama]

I would be more worried that I had Faye and Jem as daughters.

You would be very lucky to have Fay as a daughter........She is just a normal soul caught up in an emotional relationship that is one sided. Perfectly normal and has done nothing to be ashamed of.......Her parents should rightly be concerned but also proud.......

[JTM45]

If my daughter/sister was going to get involved with anyone in there i would be far less bothered about it being Aaron than if she was hooking up with Jay, Anton or Aden.
The thought of any of those 3 going anywhere near my daughter would make my blood boil!!!

[jyunga]

They are both immature. Faye is immature with her emotions, Aaron is immature with his reactions. I imagine they feel he has treated her poorly because when they have a tiff he ignores her for the day. Stuff like that.

I feel bad for Aaron and Faye. Their relations in the house have been milked by BB and they are paying for it. Both their experiences are turning to **** lately.
Like Aaron said, it's his 10 year dream to get onto BB and now it seems to him that he's going to leave the show coming off as a douchebag that used a girl all season long.

[Pyramid*]

Arr they said 19 on Bots tonight, but iv heard 21 elsewhere.

What did you make of Aaron's attitude to Faye after the letters from home, where they were in the Bathroom, and he brought up the fact that Faye had re made friends with Louise after he had took the blame for the Stranded task walk out?

Was that not a little controlling?

No, what he was very clearly doing was giving her an example of her why he felt he couldn't trust anyone, including her - as THAT was when that part of the convo cropped up, and he explained why he felt likek that, because she was being two faced & hypocritical. Faye had not been bothering her arse with Louise before that point - then all of a sudden, Faye's all over her.

It's called being open and honest with a person - and explaining why he was feeling the way he was at that time.

[Cherry Christmas]

Seriously, would you?

Im really concerned about what you have been watching? in the main its Faye who has caused any conflict between herself and Aaron...ie grabbing Antons crotch, demanding attention, getting pissed and lairy....

If someone had been putting you down,ie Jemma and then said not in a nice way "we need so speak tomorrow" would you not stand up for yourself, I dont doubt outside the house they would settle their differences, but she has been back stabbing him and you want him to sit down and have a nicey nice chat about it all...:joker:

[Kazanne]

Seriously, would you?

Yes of course,the way some people are going on you'de think he'de beat her or something,perhaps people would rather have her with a fart bound ,dirty mouthed oik.

[Kazanne]

Really? Why do you think many of the HM's relatives think he has then - not just Faye's Mum?

The hms have been told lies about him by Jay and Anton so have not got a fair diagnosis of him,the family see what we see,edited HL which are rarely favourable to Aaron,it's simple really

[Angus]

Seriously, would you?


Absolutely yes.

I would have been totally horrified if she had got with the neanderthal or the wannabe gangsta though.

[mindset]

If my daughter had made all the running, if my daughter had started almost all of the dramas, if my daughter had consistently made Aaron look bad and nominated him 3 times.....I'd think my daughter should consider herself very lucky that he was even speaking to her at all.

[joeysteele]

Yes,I would in all likelihood still like Aaron,my Brothers or Sisters(I don't have any Sisters though), have to live their lives, if they were to ask me for my opinion then I would give it but in this case,all I can see is 2 people who clearly have an attraction to each other that cannot be really tried while in the BB house.

Aaron has a vagueness and awkwardness as to relationships, she is very full on as to it, neither yet know or have tried to find the compromise that would help them get through their time in their house, all the tittle tattle and doubt planting by Jemma only makes things worse.

If Faye was my Sister, I would want to see her happy, she is far from happy not being around Aaron so I would support her in keeping close to him,he would remain someone I like because he has never bad mouthed Faye but has had 2 barrels fired at him unjustly in my opinion,from her Sister and also her Mother,both of whom sound spiteful.

Jemma puts Faye down loads,getting at her for little things, it seems too though her Mother will never likely think anyone is good enough for Faye.
They seem possessive and controlling as to Faye's life so I can now understand a bit more as to why she is like she is.
If Jemma was my Sister however,I would be really disappointed at the way she is ruining the BB experience for Faye.

Aged 20,30,40 or even 50+, forming relationships take care and time, there are no set formats for success to doing it, Faye and Aaron have had broken relationships before, which means tensions will be even higher in the BB house.
Older people don't have all the answers to everything.Younger people also don't but they can offer many sometimes more mature answers than some older people.

The BB house is the problem with Faye and Aaron,outside had they met and been attracted,their families would not have gained half as much influence likely and Faye wouldn't have Jemma and her croakings of doom at her every day near 24/7.

[fruit_cake]

I'd be a bit worried about him but would let Faye make her own mind up and would have nominated someone else

[Jordan.]

No because as good a housemate he may be he's obviously got a game plan and isn't 100% real.

[stitch1]

yes if that was what she wanted, and maybe he would try to win us around out of the house

[Ammi]

Whether Jem and her mother have concerns or doubts over Aaron...she is a grown up and they have to accept that she is entitled to make her own decisions.....it isn't just Aaron...it's the smoking..the alcohol....everything, Jem has not only voiced her disapproval, she has tried to enforce her wishes on Faye.....ironic really as 'being controlling' is the very thing she's accusing Aaron of. Faye's mum has done nothing to reassure Faye, in fact she's sent a clear message that she supports Jems opinions...she has taken sides....on National T.V.......how does she think that will make Faye feel...a real kick in the teeth

[HBB1508]

Yes - I would trust that I had bought my children up well and balanced and able to make good decisions and stand on their own two feet. Obviously if things went wrong I would be there as a shoulder to cry on but I wouldn't try and run their lives for them. From the HL's I've seen imo Aaron has done nothing to merit my not liking him. Couples argue and fall out outside the house so it's bound to be magnified in there knowing we are watching their every move.

[Ammi]

Yes - I would trust that I had bought my children up well and balanced and able to make good decisions and stand on their own two feet. Obviously if things went wrong I would be there as a shoulder to cry on but I wouldn't try and run their lives for them. From the HL's I've seen imo Aaron has done nothing to merit my not liking him. Couples argue and fall out outside the house so it's bound to be magnified in there knowing we are watching their every move.

:worship::worship::worship:

[jet]

Yes, Faye IS emotionally needy and insecure. Whether she is like this in the outside world I have no idea, but in the house Aaron unfortunately entered into a relationship with her and his odd behaviour towards someone he says he fancies IS messing with her head - and being the way she is, she is reacting to that.
This is only 1 example - when she burped, he rejected her and it almost ended the relationship. How normal is this? How could he possibly let something like that cause someone he cared for to feel disgusting? He goes around shaking his head and sulking over things she does that don’t please him. The overall impression is that he disapproves of her and is only with her because she perseveres. When she is open about her feelings, he is often cold and cagey. He refused to try and mend bridges with Jem, which he would have done if he really cared for Faye. All Aaron really cares about is himself and how HE feels.
He is certainly not aggressive towards her - his actions are subtle and manipulative. If Aaron really wanted her and made her feel cared for, Faye wouldn’t have any reason to be needy and Jem, her mother, the other mothers and many more of us who can see the true dynamics in this relationship would have no inclination to ‘pick’ on Aaron. He is playing her like a cat plays with a mouse - and stupidly she lets him and goes back for more.
I am not a fan of Aaron, obviously. I liked him the first week or two, then I was on to him. I don’t particularly like Faye either, but she is a young girl and Aaron has more experience of the world - he already has a failed marriage behind him. It seems to me that any woman entering into a relationship with him will have to mould herself to be what Aaron wants, or else she will be subjected to his moods and periods of aloofness. This is what people see who are not Aaron fans, and therefore more objective - from what I have observed on the net.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Yep, obviously

[icecakes]

I would be more worried if she liked Jay, and was having sex with him on tv
carnt see anything wrong with Aaron , he's a bit mardy but he's a gentleman

[Black Dagger]

As long as he made my sister/daughter happy, I wouldn't care...

He seems to be doing that, so yes... I would be happy with Aaron dating Faye, if I was a blood relative of her.

[jet]

As long as he made my sister/daughter happy, I wouldn't care...

He seems to be doing that, so yes... I would be happy with Aaron dating Faye, if I was a blood relative of her.

You think Faye is happy? She hasn't seemed happy for long since she started the relationship. Even before Jem came in, there was constant bickering/rejections/Aaron sulks.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Shes the one who is finishing with him over and over then going back, which will obviously be confusing, she tried it on with Anton and then went mental at Aaron for NOT getting jealous. She didnt want him until he kissed Maisy, then started acting like a wife scorned. Shes constantly looking for reassurance of their relationship, like when she was on about the facebook status thing and said something along the lines of 'would we be a. single b. in a relationship or c. its complicated' he said B...so she said 'single?!' ' no' ' complicated?!' 'no' 'well what then?' even though she knew which answer he gave. When he says coupley things to her..like when they were discussing going out together on the outside(when they were sat at the table) she acts like she doesnt want to meet up after the show...she takes the hump when he refuses to drop everything for her the second she wants his attention(when he was talking to tom and she was trying to butt in...Im still not convinced her even heard her, and as soon as he realised she was upset he went to see what was wrong). She accuses him of 'scaring her' and being aggressive when they have conversations, even though its HER that comes off as aggressive. Aaron is about as aggressive as a new born lamb.

Many reasons tbh. Little things all add up.

Just total mixed signals IMO.

Where as at least Aaron is consistent where the 'relationship' is concerned. Tom pointed this out a few days ago too.

Tom: At least Aarons consistent. Like hes always like hes never been...hes always like yeah I wanna be with you, whereas every other day faye seems to change her mind

http://apps.facebook.com/bigbrother-uk/article/Day-44-Jem-and-Tom-wake-up-and-talk-Faye/

Felt the need to back up that with an actual vid, as if you hadnt seen it then you would think i was making it up :p


He may be huffy etc some of the time...but he doesnt blow hot and cold like she does.

(Feel the need to add...despite all of this, shes still my fave female at the minute. As I still think shes a good housemate :p)

OMG Tom the little s**t arse and today he's saying the complete opposite, after hearing the noms and thinking Aarons popularity has nose dived no doubt :bored:

Great post btw and so spot on.

[humourwins]

I think considering Faye's age then absolutely not. I like Aaron but he has very strong views on things and can be very patronising to those holding differing views. If she was my sister I would want her to make up her own mind about things and not feel she was being judged harshly by someone when she disagreed with them. I think both Jem and her mother are doing what they see best for their relative and that is to discourage the relationship.

What has Aaron done to make them feel included? He has made very little effort with Jem. He has made more effort with Jay who he can't stand. I don't think he has shown any signs that he would encourage her to be an independent woman.

[flamingGalah!]

If Faye was my sister & Aaron was exactly the same as he is now, then yes I'd still be his fan. Obviously if Faye was indeed my sister though I would want her to win & not Aaron...