Which version of Harrys side is the truth?

[Vicky.]

First up we have the most recent revelation which is HERE (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/218199/Big-Brother-2011-Aaron-s-a-fake-says-Harry/)

Big bitchfest about how Aaron is indeed using Faye.

However only a few days ago Harry told Faye: "I haven't thought in any way that he's been leading you on." So was Harry lying to Faye for kicks or is he lying now for a paid interview?




* Harry to Aaron: "I don't want you to have been portrayed in a way that isn't true" regarding what was said by the families when nominating Aaron.
-- 28:12 mark: http://www.channel5.com/shows/big-brother/episodes/episode-53-32

* Harry to Faye: "I know how much you like Aaron..." "I think he feels like he's in an awkward situation as well, because he said he really, really likes you outside, but everyone is going to slag him off and say he's been leading you on or whatever. But I haven't thought in any way that he's been leading you on. But I think you've got to trust your own instinct. ...I would just not listen to your mom and sister. At the end of the day, you've got 18 days left...I wouldn't read too much into the whole -- I know what they said you've got to take on board, but at the same time, just have fun doing whatever you want to do. If you want to hang out with Aaron and if you want to get off with Aaron, then do whatever you want to." Faye says she doesn't know if she'll be able to do that, because it'll be too weird. Harry responds, "Only if you let it be weird. I feel sorry for him, though, in the fact of five nominations of all people saying 'I don't like how you're treating Faye.' It's kind of, like, ouch."
-- 31:14 mark: http://www.channel5.com/shows/big-brother/episodes/episode-53-32

* Harry to Faye in his goodbye message: "Don't worry about what people think on the outside world until you get on the outside world. Just have fun for now."
-- 7:07 mark: http://www.youtube.com/user/monkeyisstillalive#p/u/5/cC-6ZO7kR6c


Seems his opinion did a total U-turn within about an hour of leaving the house. I wonder why :suspect:

[Jords]

-shrugs-

[JTM45]

Really, really dissapointed with Harry!
I feel a bit foolish for having been taken in by him and for supporting him.

[ozzyshaggah]

he didn't expect to be evicted so he was still pals with arron
after he was evicted he didnt have to pretend any more

simple really

[Vicky.]

he didn't expect to be evicted so he was still pals with arron
after he was evicted he didnt have to pretend any more

simple really

Yeah, but in his recent interview hes all about how sorry he feels for Faye..yet he lied to her face in the house(if he believes his own daily star article that is)

He obviously didnt feel that sorry for her if he could look her in the eye and say what he did ;)

[JTM45]

Harry is doing his own reputation more damage with this behaviour than anyone else's.
He'll be remembered as 'the bitter one' now :hugesmile:

[Raven]

Maybe in there he thought telling faye the truth would turn folks against him... now he is out he has nothing to loose and can tell the truth.

I've been pointing out for weeks that aaron is faking it and has no real feelings for faye.

[Kazanne]

Really, really dissapointed with Harry!
I feel a bit foolish for having been taken in by him and for supporting him.

THIS^but I'de never give the Daily Star the time of day,harry is looking like a bit of a backstabber and liar:xyxwave:

[Pyramid*]

I was a little disappointed in Harry - and given how successful he is at such a young age - I do feel that he truly didn't expect to be the one to go.

But hey, it's all a gameshow - he had his own game playing as well - and I can't help but feel his nose was slightly out of joint.

He was going down as a Legend in my eyes, but that's faded since I've watched and heard his complete turnaround.

Shame but I kinda get the feeling, he'll not be too bothered about it either way.

Also: the biggest reason is possibly that Aaron has been sweeping up on the Vote to save: and the one thing that would likely damage that, is his 'best mate in the house', being evicted as telling us what BB etc want us to hear - after all, BB's beign trying to target Aaron for most of the show -why stop now!

All the more reason for Aaron to win the bliddy thing! :D

[karezza]

Harry is projecting his own horribleness onto Aaron. Harry's girlfriend should dump him - she is too nice for him.

[Rustic bauble]

Harry is doing his own reputation more damage with this behaviour than anyone else's.
He'll be remembered as 'the bitter one' now :hugesmile:

Yes...very true and what a shame. He has completely shocked me. :wavey:

[karezza]

He backstabbed Anton by nominating him & lying about it and now he has backstabbed his good friend Aaron.

[Harry hunter]

Harry has really shown his true colours since coming out! Very disappointed he completely back tracked on the 'thickgate' incident with Louise to then call her 'thick' in an interview! Wish I hadn't wasted my time or money supporting him !

[Tourmaline]

Harry's sold his soul to the Daily Star (the lowliest rag of them all) because he realises he can make money out of it. It's interesting that he twittered last night that he hadn't stabbed a knife in Aaron's back because "its just a game and there's no harm done"......in other words he sees it as all jolly good sport :mad:

[MeMyselfAndI]

He probably just wanted Cash tbh.

[Harry hunter]

I thought Harry was kind and loyal - not so!

[Kazanne]

Harry's sold his soul to the Daily Star (the lowliest rag of them all) because he realises he can make money out of it. It's interesting that he twittered last night that he hadn't stabbed a knife in Aaron's back because "its just a game and there's no harm done"......in other words he sees it as all jolly good sport :mad:

Well I suppose if he can relish in killing animals this is a drop in the ocean:xyxwave:

[Incensed]

Of course he's not using her, didn't this 30 year old man, who surely has lived and therefore knows what he's talking about, tell Faye that he loved her!! :joker:

[Tourmaline]

Well I suppose if he can relish in killing animals this is a drop in the ocean:xyxwave:

Exactly :xyxwave:

[Kazanne]

Of course he's not using her, didn't this 30 year old man, who surely has lived and therefore knows what he's talking about, tell Faye that he loved her!! :joker:

Jay also told Louise he loves her,it must be that house:joker:

[Incensed]

Jay also told Louise he loves her,it must be that house:joker:


Or the OK mag deal on leaving! :joker:

[fruit_cake]

it's amazing how Harry's so called fans have turned so quickly on him

[HBB1508]

I'm surprised at Harry but he's probably being told by the producers what to say to keep up a bit of interest in the show.

[Angus]

I'm glad I didn't vote for anyone but Aaron in the last eviction, because now it is obvious that it was Aaron fans that kept Harry in the week before. He would have been strong competition if he had stayed in the house, so the way to look at it is one down, five to go before Aaron is crowned the Winner.

Some people will sell their souls and principles to the devil if enough money is offered, and clearly Harry is cashing in on his fleeting bit of fame. Nothing wrong with that usually, but not when it involves someone you professed was your best friend in the house and who shared their thoughts and feelings with you, came to you for advice etc. If anything he has just made himself look extremely two faced and hypocritical, and his complete lack of loyalty undermines any credibility as to what he is now saying about Aaron. If anything his bitchy remarks have only served to increase Aaron's support. He does seem incredibly bitter about being evicted, and he will be remembered for that more than for what he did in the house.

[ChristmasNeeve]

it's amazing how Harry's so called fans have turned so quickly on him

Well, people are disappointed in Harry I suppose, as Vicky pointed out he's either lying now or he was lying in the house when reassuring Faye (that he apparently feels sorry for) that he thinks Aaron really likes her.

And also, how exactly does he know how Aaron feels about Faye anyway? I seriously doubt that Aaron made some sort of confession to him.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I'm glad I didn't vote for anyone but Aaron in the last eviction, because now it is obvious that it was Aaron fans that kept Harry in the week before. He would have been strong competition if he had stayed in the house, so the way to look at it is one down, five to go before Aaron is crowned the Winner.

Some people will sell their souls and principles to the devil if enough money is offered, and clearly Harry is cashing in on his fleeting bit of fame. Nothing wrong with that usually, but not when it involves someone you professed was your best friend in the house and who shared their thoughts and feelings with you, came to you for advice etc. If anything he has just made himself look extremely two faced and hypocritical, and his complete lack of loyalty undermines any credibility as to what he is now saying about Aaron. If anything his bitchy remarks have only served to increase Aaron's support. He does seem incredibly bitter about being evicted, and he will be remembered for that more than for what he did in the house.

Yeah, he does, I got the feeling he was livid when it was announced he was up after Jem walked

[Kazanne]

it's amazing how Harry's so called fans have turned so quickly on him

Well what would YOU do if your 'best mate' did that to you?I haven't 'turned' as you call it,but i am so disappointed in harry as he was inconsistant.

[Tourmaline]

I'm surprised at Harry but he's probably being told by the producers what to say to keep up a bit of interest in the show.

That thought crossed my mind too. I wouldn't put anything past this current shower of producers

[showtime77]

Harry has made himself look very bad whatever the truth about Aaron and Faye. Aaron had his back in that house and Harry is choosing to throw him under the bus! I'm so glad I didn't throw him a vote this time around.

[Suze]

I don't care who Harry supports, he is out now, and because of his turnaround, I can only think C5 lot must have got to him. If he is so easily got at, then he was undeserving of my support and I am quite glad he was evicted now. I won't take much heed in what he has to say from here on out, I will just carry on supporting Aaron as I have been. Aaron from what we are allowed to see is entertaining and witty and caring in my opinion, and that is why I support the guy and will carry on doing so as long as he is in the BB house :)

[BJ]

I'm shocked by the way Harry has behaved. Just so glad I gave all my votes to Aaron on Friday.

[Suze]

I think it is just bitterness that him hanging around Aaron didn't help Harry survive the latest eviction. Harry will calm down in time but he hasn't come across that well at the moment with quite a few I dare say.

[Bluerang1]

I thought I was ridiculous.

[Pyramid*]

it's amazing how Harry's so called fans have turned so quickly on him

Please don't generalise. I happen to find that if Harry want's to play Devil's Advocate, that's up to him.

It shows what a good game player he was, and it shows that he had to stick to Aaron to ensure he stayed in as long as he did. Kudos to the guy.

But he's out now - and if wants to 'turn' on Aaron and any others in the house, then it's a level playing field for fans to do the same.

What's good for the goose and all that Fruit_cake! :joker:

[Visage]

it's amazing how Harry's so called fans have turned so quickly on him

No more amazing than Harry turning so quickly on Aaron...

[Florence N]

On eviction night BOTS did anyone notice the look on Harry's mother's face when he began slating Aaron. ( Why have you done that ?)

[fruit_cake]

No more amazing than Harry turning so quickly on Aaron...

I suppose so, fair enough. Some of us never pretended Haaron existed in the first place of course.

[vesavius]

No more amazing than Harry turning so quickly on Aaron...

Harry didn't 'turn quickly' on Aaron... he just spoke the truth.

You can see and be honest about the faults of a person and still like them.

well.. some can.

[Visage]

he just spoke the truth.



When did he speak the truth ?

When he was talking about Aaron on BOTS or when he was talking about Aaron to Faye...?

[Pyramid*]

I suppose so, fair enough. Some of us never pretended Haaron existed in the first place of course.


Who precisely are you referring to Fruit_cake when you say "some of us....".

[Pyramid*]

On eviction night BOTS did anyone notice the look on Harry's mother's face when he began slating Aaron. ( Why have you done that ?)


LOL...... I think 'mummy' saw a different side to her own son.

:D

[Suze]

Here's something to ponder on. Harry changes his tune rapidly and some Aaron dislikers reckon Harry is being truthful? So why then if Harry felt that way in the BB house, did the turncoat never nom Aaron? Maybe because he liked hanging on Aaron's coattails as it suited? ;) And didn't expect to be evicted because of that maybe ;)

[Marmalite]

Harry is still playing the game.

He has no control inside the house anymore, so he, just like Anton, is trying to manipulate who the winner will be from outside the house.

[Suze]

Harry is still playing the game.

He has no control inside the house anymore, so he, just like Anton, is trying to manipulate who the winner will be from outside the house.

Sp[ot on. He got outplayed, so he doesn't want Aaron to beat him at his chess game.

[Pyramid*]

Here's something to ponder on. Harry changes his tune rapidly and some Aaron dislikers reckon Harry is being truthful? So why then if Harry felt that way in the BB house, did the turncoat never nom Aaron? Maybe because he liked hanging on Aaron's coattails as it suited? ;) And didn't expect to be evicted because of that maybe ;)

Absolutely agree.

Harry is still playing the game.

He has no control inside the house anymore, so he, just like Anton, is trying to manipulate who the winner will be from outside the house.

Again, agree.

The show is still on, he's still playing the game. He was ousted and beaten by a better game player inside the house, and all he is doing now: it continuing to play on the outside.

After all..... the show isn't over yet.... ;)

[fruit_cake]

Who precisely are you referring to Fruit_cake when you say "some of us....".

there was a small but vocal minority who thought Harry's friendship with Aaron was fake and was just self serving for Aaron. There was a big debate a while ago about the TopTrumps selection process

[Jordan.]

Are we all suddenly believing every word the Daily Star print now? Anyway why should Harry have to lie in every interview and say Aaron is genuine when he doesn't believe he is?

[Pyramid*]

Are we all suddenly believing every word the Daily Star print now? Anyway why should Harry have to lie in every interview and say Aaron is genuine when he doesn't believe he is?

Who is this, 'We' that you refer to? Please stop generalising - you don't speak for me. :idc:

The Daily Star is a adult comic. That says it all :D

Meh. Harry's ever changing view on Aaron depending on who he's speaking to: I think it's fair to say that we cannot believe a word that comes from his mouth.

[Pyramid*]

there was a small but vocal minority who thought Harry's friendship with Aaron was fake and was just self serving for Aaron. There was a big debate a while ago about the TopTrumps selection process

Thanks for the info. :)

And of course, Harry's friendship with Aaron was fake and was just self serving for Aaron 'allegedly' .... are you saying it was not as equally self serving for Harry himself.

One has to benefit the other.

[fruit_cake]

how could it be self serving for Harry? If it wasn't for Aaron he'd probably have made the final and had a blossoming relationship with Alex. Instead he got the boot and was just some 'wing commandor' or something silly.

[jet]

Maybe in there he thought telling faye the truth would turn folks against him... now he is out he has nothing to loose and can tell the truth.

I've been pointing out for weeks that aaron is faking it and has no real feelings for faye.

I agree. Harry didn't want to cause a stir and probably get nominated for his trouble. Simple.

[jet]

it's amazing how Harry's so called fans have turned so quickly on him

Isn't it? Maybe Harry is just telling the truth now. End of.

[Pyramid*]

how could it be self serving for Harry? If it wasn't for Aaron he'd probably have made the final and had a blossoming relationship with Alex. Instead he got the boot and was just some 'wing commandor' or something silly.

Au contraire fruit_cake, if Harry had not made the alliance with Aaron, he would (as he said himself) have been turfed out after the 2nd week or so: the posh boys always do. Hence it served Harry well to befriend Aaron.

But instead, he played well, tried to cling onto Aaron's coat-tails to avoid getting his marching orders, but the Producer gave his orders to BB, with Harry saying " Toodle Pip ", as he left the house, leaving the better gameplayers still in there.

:D

[Pyramid*]

Isn't it? Maybe Harry is just telling the truth now. End of.

It also means that Harry lied at some point -either in the house, or now he is out of it.

Who can trust a liar - who knows which story he wishes to relate, as being the truthful version.

That's the thing with liars: once they start....... you cannot make a correct judgement as to when they are saying something in earnest or not.

This has now been Harry's downfall. No one knows what story he tells as being the truth version.

Silly man (Harry...not you)

[In the Drunk Tank]

Ok that's enough arguing in here, if we could keep to the topic and the housemates please

[Vicky.]

it's amazing how Harry's so called fans have turned so quickly on him

I certainly havent turned on him. I'm just curious as to which side of the story is lies. As hes now making out that he doesnt want faye to get hurt...yet when she went to him for advice on Aaron, he said to her face that Aaron hasnt been playing her, to ignore her parents and do what she wants. IF he was actually bothered about her feelings, he would not have come out with all that bollocks IMO. And surely, if its really Fayes feelings he is bothered about...shes going to be more upset when she comes out and finds that her mate totally lied to her and then sold his story to the rags at the first opportunity...

If it was all a game to keep everyone on side, then kudos to him. But to make out(now) that he is bothered about Faye...is obviously a lie.

[Holly Christmas]

I was going to comment but after reading all three pages of this thread, its like ww3 lol, so I will quietly go away again :D

[vesavius]

it's amazing how Harry's so called fans have turned so quickly on him

Anything to justify and rationalise Aaron tbh.

Any dissenting HM, ex or otherwise, will be sacrificed at his alter.

[fruit_cake]

Anything to justify and rationalise Aaron tbh.

Any dissenting HM, ex or otherwise, will be sacrificed at his alter.

its terrible, poor Harry

[Novo]

GerryGreek Gerry Stergiopoulos
When I walked from #BBUK I was nice about everyone. Thus I'm shocked by Harry backstabbing Aaron & Jay for money:

[Pyramid*]

its terrible, poor Harry

Why is it terrible and why do you feel 'poor Harry'?

[vesavius]

its terrible, poor Harry


Yeah, I agree.

Harry was an amazing HM and played the game entertainingly.

Yet he is now being called 'backtabber' and 'liar', because he played the game so many attacking him profess to love seeing played.

Further proves to me,tbh, that alot of the people that say they do don't actually love game players at all... They just love Aaron, based on the personality he has constructed to fool them. They just use 'he's playing the game' as a transparent defense for his actions.

Because anyone else who plays the game is villified for it.

[Roy Mars III]

GerryGreek Gerry Stergiopoulos
When I walked from #BBUK I was nice about everyone. Thus I'm shocked by Harry backstabbing Aaron & Jay for money:

Gerry getting it on point there. It's rather sad, to be honest.

[Roy Mars III]

Yeah, I agree.

Harry was an amazing HM and played the game entertainingly.

Yet he is now being called 'backtabber' and 'liar', because he played the game so many attacking him profess to love seeing played.

Further proves to me,tbh, that alot of the people that say they do don't actually love game players at all... they just love Aaron, based on the personality he has constructedto fool them, and use 'he's playing the game' as a transparent defense for his actions.

Because anyone else who plays the game is villified for it.

If Tom was evicted and suddenly stared saying things about Alex different to what he was saying in the house, I would think most people would be calling him a backstabber as well.

[fruit_cake]

Why is it terrible and why do you feel 'poor Harry'?

it's terrible that his supposed supporters turn on him in an instant as soon as golden Aaron is brought up! I feel sorry for him poor Harry, It was nice to see how close he was to Alex and Faye though, at least they can't take that away from him!

[Vicky.]

it's terrible that his supposed supporters turn on him in an instant as soon as golden Aaron is brought up! I feel sorry for him poor Harry, It was nice to see how close he was to Alex and Faye though, at least they can't take that away from him!

Ah yes, Faye who was also part of Harrys gameplan(if the most recent interview in the DS is to be believed). Yeah, he was so close to her that he told her to ignore her parents...who in his eyes were right to doubt Aaron, and just to follow her heart. And assuring her that in no way was Aaron using her... Thus messing with her head even more(which he is now blasting Aaron for). Yes, a good friend to her :)

[Pyramid*]

it's terrible that his supposed supporters turn on him in an instant as soon as golden Aaron is brought up! I feel sorry for him poor Harry, It was nice to see how close he was to Alex and Faye though, at least they can't take that away from him!

Who's turning on him? I've said that he played a good game. I've stated numerous times since Harry was evicted that he played the game well, but not as well as Aaron has.


It does however also make him a liar. This is something we have yet to determine about Aaron and his relationship with Faye.

Harry also apologised to Louise for inferring she was thick, and that he didn't mean it. Yet the second he's out of the house, he confirmed that he did in fact, very much mean it.

Harry was so nice to Alex in the house, then is completely remiss about her on the outside - he doesn't quite go the full hog in slagging her off, but he wasn't exactly over effusive about her either.

Why feel sorry for a person who lies so much and about everyone?

At least Aaron has been honest and upfront to the hms faces as to who he likes or dislikes. At least people know where they stand with him.

[arista]

it's amazing how Harry's so called fans have turned so quickly on him


Yes
its just a Game Show

[Pyramid*]

Yes
its just a Game Show

Quite. It's a game show.

A game that Harry thought he was playing well - and to a point, he did - seems he got found out though.

But kudos to him: since it backfired a little, and Aaron is still in the running to win.

Can't be all bad eh!

[Vicky.]

Harry also apologised to Louise for inferring she was thick, and that he didn't mean it. Yet the second he's out of the house, he confirmed that he did in fact, very much mean it.


This also confuses me. In his goodbye video he assured Louise that he did NOT think she was thick. Then made a point on BBBOTS that he did think she was...

If it was part of his gameplan to be nice and get on with everyone, why would he need to keep up the pretense when he was out? :conf:

[In the Drunk Tank]

"I don't think she's a bit thick.. I think she's 100% thick" :joker:

[fruit_cake]

well..at least we know that Faye was Harry's true friend.

[Pyramid*]

This also confuses me. In his goodbye video he assured Louise that he did NOT think she was thick. Then made a point on BBBOTS that he did think she was...

If it was part of his gameplan to be nice and get on with everyone, why would he need to keep up the pretense when he was out? :conf:

This is where I see him falling down though. It shows that whether he wanted to play Mr Nice Guy To All Housemates: he was clearly able to lie to their faces - and not only to Louise, but to Aaron, to Faye and to Anton and a lot of others I am sure.

Now there's game playing and then there's out and out lying and being utterly duplicitious.

What he's doing now: he's showing that not only was it a game; he's quite happy to come out and stir it up - and that to me, is a whole different ball game.

[Roy Mars III]

well..at least we know that Faye was Harry's true friend.

too bad he lied to her than

[Vicky.]

well..at least we know that Faye was Harry's true friend.

Umm...how? :laugh:

If she was his true friend...he wouldnt have lied to her face. He never lied to Alex's face...that is a real friendship :)

[Beastie]

I liked Harry as a housemate. Yes it sounds he is turning bitter now. Probably because he didn't expect to go in which he shouldn't have been evicted anyway. He might as well get in there for the magazine deals because his fame will unfortunately shortly dry up!!

[fruit_cake]

Umm...how? :laugh:

If she was his true friend...he wouldnt have lied to her face. He never lied to Alex's face...that is a real friendship :)

Faye was really upset when Harry left, she had a nice chat with Alex about it. From her part it was a good friendship, Harry is a bit of an enigma though that's obvious

[Pyramid*]

well..at least we know that Faye was Harry's true friend.

How do we know this exactly? And please don't say you think so because she cried. ..... she blubbers every time she breathes.

Harry stitched her up good and proper judging by what he told her in the house, and what he's now saying about his thought on her and Aaron's relationship - seems you're happy that he sh*t all over Faye too if you dont' see anything wrong with that.

if Harry thought Aaron was using Faye : why then did Harry tell Faye to ignore what her mother and Jem were saying about Aaron.

It wouldn't have had anything to do with the fact that he hadn't been booted out of the house yet: and wanted to be seen by the viewers as being loyal to Aaron, would it. ;)

[Pyramid*]

Faye was really upset when Harry left, she had a nice chat with Alex about it. From her part it was a good friendship, Harry is a bit of an enigma though that's obvious


could you give a reason other than her being upset about something. She gets upset every other hour of the day.

[Vicky.]

Faye was really upset when Harry left, she had a nice chat with Alex about it. From her part it was a good friendship, Harry is a bit of an enigma though that's obvious

Ohh right. You meant from Fayes side it was a genuine friendship? I agree. She trusted him a lot IMO. And valued his opinions.

Such a shame it was all just a game to him, but thats how it goes I guess :)

[SoBig]

Well, people are disappointed in Harry I suppose, as Vicky pointed out he's either lying now or he was lying in the house when reassuring Faye (that he apparently feels sorry for) that he thinks Aaron really likes her.

And also, how exactly does he know how Aaron feels about Faye anyway? I seriously doubt that Aaron made some sort of confession to him.
Because he was game playing inside the house, now that he is out of it, there is no need for it.

You see this all the time in BBUS.

[flamingGalah!]

it's amazing how Harry's so called fans have turned so quickly on him

Almost as quickly as some change their minds on being an Aaron fan several times a day... :whistle:

its terrible, poor Harry

Poor Harry?!? :joker: Why exactly 'poor Harry'? He is the one who has back-stabbed his so called friends in the house! :joker:

well..at least we know that Faye was Harry's true friend.

PMSL :joker: Yes, though if you believe what he has said since coming out is true, then Faye is no friend of Harry's at all, as he lied to her face & let her be conned into a fake relationship... ;)

[SoBig]

Faye was really upset when Harry left, she had a nice chat with Alex about it. From her part it was a good friendship, Harry is a bit of an enigma though that's obvious

She was upset because she got booed and thought everyone on the outside hated her. Lets be real here, she didn't care for one second that Harry was evicted.

[Pyramid*]

She was upset because she got booed and thought everyone on the outside hated her. Lets be real here, she didn't care for one second that Harry was evicted.

Quite. The only person Faye gives a damn about is herself. She tried to make out it was about Harry leaving -it wasn't.

[Roy Mars III]

Many people liked Harry because of his friendship with Aaron, it's not hard to understand that some Aaron fans would be upset with him about this.

Just like I'm sure many Alex fans would be upset if he started going on about how he thought Alex was pretending to be dumb to win.

[Pyramid*]

Many people liked Harry because of his friendship with Aaron, it's not hard to understand that some Aaron fans would be upset with him about this.

Just like I'm sure many Alex fans would be upset if he started going on about how he thought Alex was pretending to be dumb to win.

And that's an absolutely fair comment - reasonsable and understandable.

[vesavius]

And that's an absolutely fair comment - reasonsable and understandable.

lol you think so do you? :joker:

Hypothetical 'maybes' aside... Aaron didn't say it about Alex, he told the truth about Aaron once he was free of the house and could do so.

Lets not get side tracked with invented scenarios in an attempt to deflect. :nono:

[flamingGalah!]

lol you think so do you? :joker:

Hypothetical 'maybes' aside... Aaron didn't say it about Alex, he told the truth about Aaron once he was free of the house and could do so.

Lets not get side tracked with invented scenarios in an attempt to deflect. :nono:

How exactly do you know it's 'the truth'??!? :conf:

[Roy Mars III]

lol you think so do you? :joker:

Hypothetical 'maybes' aside... Aaron didn't say it about Alex, he told the truth about Aaron once he was free of the house and could do so.

Lets not get side tracked with invented scenarios in an attempt to deflect. :nono:

Hmm...

[fruit_cake]

Faye was telling Aaron about how guilty she felt that she stayed and Harry left, she was really upset about it..but he just ignored her and went on about some random theory he had conjured up about Jay and the fans.

here is proof that Faye loved Harry I hope you appreciate it it took me ages to find the right bits. Faye was the one who showed him the most affection when he left, whereas Aaron just sat there crying to himself.


http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=237&pictureid=1919

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=237&pictureid=1920

[fruit_cake]

Almost as quickly as some change their minds on being an Aaron fan several times a day... :whistle:



Poor Harry?!? :joker: Why exactly 'poor Harry'? He is the one who has back-stabbed his so called friends in the house! :joker:



PMSL :joker: Yes, though if you believe what he has said since coming out is true, then Faye is no friend of Harry's at all, as he lied to her face & let her be conned into a fake relationship... ;)

I'm not sure who you mean because I've never been an Aaron fan

[Vicky.]

lol you think so do you? :joker:

Hypothetical 'maybes' aside... Aaron didn't say it about Alex, he told the truth about Aaron once he was free of the house and could do so.

Lets not get side tracked with invented scenarios in an attempt to deflect. :nono:

Would you have been as willing to accept Harrys story as the 'truth'(rather than just his opinion) if he had came out and stuck to his original story about Aaron/Faye?

[Roy Mars III]

Faye was telling Aaron about how guilty she felt that she stayed and Harry left, she was really upset about it..but he just ignored her and went on about some random theory he had conjured up about Jay and the fans.

here is proof that Faye loved Harry I hope you appreciate it it took me ages to find the right bits. Faye was the one who showed him the most affection when he left, whereas Aaron just sat there crying to himself.


http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=237&pictureid=1919

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=237&pictureid=1920

She was hugging him because she was so relieved she was staying in the presence of Aaron for another week and felt sorry that Harry couldn't.

[flamingGalah!]

I'm not sure who you mean because I've never been an Aaron fan

:conf: :shocked: :laugh2:

[Angus]

Faye was telling Aaron about how guilty she felt that she stayed and Harry left, she was really upset about it..but he just ignored her and went on about some random theory he had conjured up about Jay and the fans.

here is proof that Faye loved Harry I hope you appreciate it it took me ages to find the right bits. Faye was the one who showed him the most affection when he left, whereas Aaron just sat there crying to himself.


http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=237&pictureid=1919

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=237&pictureid=1920



Got to hand it to Faye, she knows how to get herself some airtime doesn't she?:laugh: And then afterwards, because Alex was genuinely upset and getting all the camera shots, she thought "I'll have some of that" and turned on her crocodile tears to share the limelight whilst blubbing about how she felt so guilty blah blah, and why do the crowd hate me, why was I booed? blah blah:bored:

[Pyramid*]

lol you think so do you? :joker:

Hypothetical 'maybes' aside... Aaron didn't say it about Alex, he told the truth about Aaron once he was free of the house and could do so.

Lets not get side tracked with invented scenarios in an attempt to deflect. :nono:#

Obviously I think so. It's me typing. The cat hasn't quite mastered the keyboard on my laptop - not yet anyway. Besides, which, she's not got my password.


I will correct you. Harry gave a different opinion on Aaron when he came out of the house, from the one he had in the house. Who therefore is to decide what is the truthful version. ;)

Let's not get side tracked with invented scenarios in an attempt to deflect. :D

Faye was telling Aaron about how guilty she felt that she stayed and Harry left, she was really upset about it..but he just ignored her and went on about some random theory he had conjured up about Jay and the fans.

here is proof that Faye loved Harry I hope you appreciate it it took me ages to find the right bits. Faye was the one who showed him the most affection when he left, whereas Aaron just sat there crying to himself.





Faye also was seen groping Anton's crotch, as well as trying to get him to kiss her: and then cried over that - because Aaron wasn't jealous and because she'd been a drunken mess and made a show of herself (again). Her tears are only ever for one person: her.

I won't bother looking out the photos and clips of it all: I'm quite sure you'll remember it, all too clearly.

The girl manages to twist all and any situation around to suit her selfish needs: to get all the attention on her.

[SoBig]

Everything that Harry said inside the BB House was part of his game plan. Everything. Even that conversation with Faye.

Now that he is out, he doesn't have to continue game playing and can say what he really thinks.

[vesavius]

The cat hasn't quite mastered the keyboard on my laptop - not yet anyway. Besides, which, she's not got my password.

;)

Harry gave a different opinion on Aaron when he came out of the house, from the one he had in the house. Who therefore is to decide what is the truthful version.

Ofc he did... he was playing the game in the house... I don't see what people can't grasp about that.

Ofc his opinion was different when he came out... thats what playing the game means.

I believe the Harry speaking now is the truthful version-the one that isn't in the game anymore and has the freedom to speak his truth.

[jet]

Would you have been as willing to accept Harrys story as the 'truth'(rather than just his opinion) if he had came out and stuck to his original story about Aaron/Faye?

I know you aren't talking to me, but I would have given his opinion weight as he was the one living with them for 6 weeks, not I. He's not stupid, obviously. I believe there is truth in what he is saying. I think he is different from the usual BB contestant and views the whole thing as a hoot.

[Pyramid*]

I'm not sure who you mean because I've never been an Aaron fan

Really. Here's a few snippets from your previous posts about Aaron.


Who would vote for someone they are not a fan of - or rally up votes for him, even if they were Faye related?..... ;)
Aaron's safe Samuel, but we can vote for him too to do our part of the relationship


You liked Aaron providing this kind of entertainment though....

remember the saucy store room though eh http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/evilgrin.gif good times good times



Sticking up for Aaron and Faye here....


leave Faye and Aaron alone nasty parents




And you liked him here.....

now he's stood by Faye in the heart to heart video I think most of us Faye fans will be voting for him hopefully that will help him a bit


:D

You luv him really Fruit_cake, it's okay to say so.

[vesavius]

Would you have been as willing to accept Harrys story as the 'truth'(rather than just his opinion) if he had came out and stuck to his original story about Aaron/Faye?

Of course, it was actually what I was expecting him to do... I assumed he was closer to Aaron then he seems to be. But it's obvious now that allying with Aaron was just part of Harry's game and he never really trusted him based on what he saw of the guy.

Though of course you won't believe this answer and will just post something like "ok... :laugh3:" or whatever.

But... /shrug.

[Beastie]

It was only Alex who was genuinely upset that Harry was evicted.

However most of them don't care. Most of them are in it for themselves and want to stay in the BB house.

[Kazanne]

This also confuses me. In his goodbye video he assured Louise that he did NOT think she was thick. Then made a point on BBBOTS that he did think she was...

If it was part of his gameplan to be nice and get on with everyone, why would he need to keep up the pretense when he was out? :conf:

:joker::joker:yes infact he said she was 100% thick.

[Pyramid*]

;)



Ofc he did... he was playing the game in the house... I don't see what people can't grasp about that.

Ofc his opinion was different when he came out... thats what playing the game means.

I believe the Harry speaking now is the truthful version-the one that isn't in the game anymore and has the freedom to speak his truth.

No need to get shirty!!! lol

We KNOW he has been playing a game in the house.

What we do not know is if he is STILL playing the game. ;)

Harry is definately singing a different tune now: but which one is the real tune - this sudden 'villan' one - or not.

the only one who knows that for absolute certainty is Harry.

[Roy Mars III]

Of course, it was actually what I was expecting him to do... I assumed he was closer to Aaron then he seems to be. But it's obvious now that allying with Aaron was just part of Harry's game and he never really trusted him based on what he saw of the guy.

Though of course you won't believe this answer and will just post something like "ok... :laugh3:" or whatever.

But... /shrug.

and that's fine, just like it's fine for Aaron fans to be upset with him because of it.

[fruit_cake]

Really. Here's a few snippets from your previous posts about Aaron.


Who would vote for someone they are not a fan of - or rally up votes for him, even if they were Faye related?..... ;)


You liked Aaron providing this kind of entertainment though....




Sticking up for Aaron and Faye here....



And you liked him here.....



:D

You luv him really Fruit_cake, it's okay to say so.

I don't think it's any secret that Aaron has gone up and down in my own view but it's hardly relative to this thread. It's normal that Faye fans have voted for Aaron from time to time, when we thought it was the right time, which probably most of us did when it was supposed to be Aaron vs Jem.

[fruit_cake]

Got to hand it to Aaron, he knows how to get himself some airtime doesn't he?:laugh: And then afterwards, because Faye was genuinely upset and getting all the camera shots, he thought "I'll have some of that" and turned on his theory about Jay and the Fans to share the limelight

Edited it for you Angus, I think it's correct now

[Pyramid*]

I'm not sure who you mean because I've never been an Aaron fan

I don't think it's any secret that Aaron has gone up and down in my own view but it's hardly relative to this thread. It's normal that Faye fans have voted for Aaron from time to time, when we thought it was the right time, which probably most of us did when it was supposed to be Aaron vs Jem.


It's entirely relative to this thread, seeing as you posted the top comment on this thread stating quite categorically that you have never been an Aaron fan.

I didn't say it was a secret that you have supported him, what I have done is show that you deny supporting Aaron when it suits the argument, when the fact is, you have not only given him your support, but VOTED TO SAVE him.

I am not a Jay or Faye Fan, or supporter. I would never ever ever put one vote Faye or Jay's way.

Back directly on topic: If Harry played the game in the house - he has done a fine job because it kept him there for as long as it did.

Shame he has shown himself to be a cad: especially about what Aaron and Faye's relationship. There is only one person in there who knows whether he feels something genuine for her or not: and that it Aaron.

No one will find that out, until Aaron leaves the house.

[vesavius]

and that's fine, just like it's fine for Aaron fans to be upset with him because of it.

You see, I don't see it as fine Roy...

To cheer one HM for something you villify another with isn't fine :/

IMO, a person should either say they love game players and embrace Harry's 'switch' with good humour now he has left, or just admit they don't like game players and stop using game playing as a defense for Aaron's manipulations of the public and HMs alike.

If an Aaron fan is upset with Harry for playing the game, then I consider that a hypocrisy, esecially the ones that insist they DO know Aaron is manipulating the public and HMs alike.

But... Like I said before, Harry is just another HM now to be sacrificed at the alter of defending Aaron to the end :/

[Pyramid*]

You see, I don't see it as fine Roy...

To cheer one HM for something you villify another with isn't fine :/

IMO, a person should either say they love game players and embrace Harry's switch now he has left in good humour, or just admit they don't like game players and stop using it as a defense for Aaron's manipulations of the public and HMs alike.

If an Aaron fan is upset with Harry for playing the game, then I consider that a hypocrisy.

But... Like I said before, Harry is just another HM now to be sacrificed at the alter of defending Aaron to the end :/


The one thing you appear to not be considering here is this: what you think is not necessarily right - or wrong for that matter.

It is only your opinion. Because it's not shared by all, doesn't mean you right, or they are wrong (or the other way about).

It's your opinion and no matter how many times you say the same thing over and over again: people have their own views, their own opinions and it seems you simply won't change their minds.

Opinions are subjective. That's the way it goes.

[Roy Mars III]

You see, I don't see it as fine Roy...

To cheer one HM for something you villify another with isn't fine :/

IMO, a person should either say they love game players and embrace Harry's switch now he has left in good humour, or just admit they don't like game players and stop using it as a defense for Aaron's manipulations of the public and HMs alike.

If an Aaron fan is upset with Harry for playing the game, then I consider that a hypocrisy.

But... Like I said before, Harry is just another HM now to be sacrificed at the alter of defending Aaron to the end :/

I see your point, but personally I really have no problem with Harry or what he said, though I can understand that others do. I'm a little sad that maybe the Aaron/Harry friendship isn't as great as I thought, but that's all really. Harry played a game, Aaron is playing a game, I have no problem with game players at all. I find Aaron entertaining, and that's all I really ask for out of a housemate.

[vesavius]

The one thing you appear to not be considering here is this: what you think is not necessarily right - or wrong for that matter.

It is only your opinion... /etc

Thanks for the school of the obvious.

Thats what IMO means... In my opinion. I thought saying it once in a post would be enough... do I really need to post it before every sentence to make it clear?

[sosadbbend]

I don't believe anything I read in the tabloids!!!!

[vesavius]

I see your point, but personally I really have no problem with Harry or what he said, though I can understand that others do. I'm a little sad that maybe the Aaron/Harry friendship isn't as great as I thought, but that's all really. Harry played a game, Aaron is playing a game, I have no problem with game players at all. I find Aaron entertaining, and that's all I really ask for out of a housemate.

I do like your posts Roy, I must say.

[Pyramid*]

Thanks for the school of the obvious.

Thats what IMO means... In my opinion. I thought saying it once in a post would be enough... do I really need to post it before every sentence to make it clear?

No need for the unecessarily rude and facetious reply.

My previous response to you was a civil and reasonable one and given in a decent and respectful manner.

The manner in which you are putting your opinions over: come across as though your view should be taken as the only one - or that others should succumb to agreeing with you.

I don't and I believe I explained why I have my own view on the situatino, on the great many posts I've made since the strart of this thread.

[boomoo]

Of course he's not using her, didn't this 30 year old man, who surely has lived and therefore knows what he's talking about, tell Faye that he loved her!! :joker:

If you believe that you will believe anything.
His feelings are wrapped up in the fact that these people have been together 24/7. There is no way these two will stay together any longer than the mag deals.
No doubt he wants quick money which will make a fair divorce deal or even a reunion with his wife. Her newspaper interview was very revealing. ie it is not seven years since he has had sex.

[vesavius]

No need for the unecessarily rude and facetious... /snip

:idc:

[G1dds]

If you believe that you will believe anything.
His feelings are wrapped up in the fact that these people have been together 24/7. There is no way these two will stay together any longer than the mag deals.
No doubt he wants quick money which will make a fair divorce deal or even a reunion with his wife. Her newspaper interview was very revealing. ie it is not seven years since he has had sex.



Oh Honestly - I dont think very many people believed that part.......what was really considered was that he had a bit of decency whereby he didnt feel the need to share his sex life with all of sundry, and quite frankly I dont blame him. Not everyone is like Jay or Anton

[Lex]

First up we have the most recent revelation which is HERE (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/218199/Big-Brother-2011-Aaron-s-a-fake-says-Harry/)

Big bitchfest about how Aaron is indeed using Faye.

However only a few days ago Harry told Faye: "I haven't thought in any way that he's been leading you on." So was Harry lying to Faye for kicks or is he lying now for a paid interview?




Seems his opinion did a total U-turn within about an hour of leaving the house. I wonder why :suspect:

Yes Vicky you're totally right!....Harry is no more than a weasle!!

He never came above third place on my list anyway...but the thing that really irks me about him is...that he is the first slimeball that I failed to spot before he revealed his true colours! :nono:...Shame on me!...I must be getting old or something! :bawling:

[pimpslapper]

It was only Alex who was genuinely upset that Harry was evicted.

However most of them don't care. Most of them are in it for themselves and want to stay in the BB house.


Aaron also cried and was visibly broken by the whole incident. Harry clearly never gave a **** about the bloke as shown by him laughing through the parents nominations. Aaron was right to call Mark over Harry as his closest friend in the house. Harry relied on Aaron in that house for real conversations more than he cares to admit now he is out of there.

[Cromwell1900]

First up we have the most recent revelation which is HERE (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/218199/Big-Brother-2011-Aaron-s-a-fake-says-Harry/)

Big bitchfest about how Aaron is indeed using Faye.

However only a few days ago Harry told Faye: "I haven't thought in any way that he's been leading you on." So was Harry lying to Faye for kicks or is he lying now for a paid interview?




Seems his opinion did a total U-turn within about an hour of leaving the house. I wonder why :suspect:


He certainly has contradicted himself a few times hasn't he. It does compromise his value as a witness somewhat.

The way i see it his loyalty to Aaron made him back his friend up, maybe because he felt his own survival was linked to Aaron's fate. Good guess work of course "The Lord & the Wing Commander" & the fact that Aaron fans threw votes at Harry shows this i think.

That sorts out for me Harry to Faye a few days ago, but it doesn't explain why he did not tell Faye after he had been voted out, although i think his conversation's to Faye after he was voted out more vague, and more make your own mind up as appose to he isn't using you.
Could be wrong but that was the impression i got.

[kisywisy]

yeah, i agree.

Harry was an amazing hm and played the game entertainingly.

Yet he is now being called 'backtabber' and 'liar', because he played the game so many attacking him profess to love seeing played.

Further proves to me,tbh, that alot of the people that say they do don't actually love game players at all... They just love aaron, based on the personality he has constructed to fool them. They just use 'he's playing the game' as a transparent defense for his actions.

Because anyone else who plays the game is villified for it.

^^^this!!^^^

[kisywisy]

yeah, i agree.

Harry was an amazing hm and played the game entertainingly.

Yet he is now being called 'backtabber' and 'liar', because he played the game so many attacking him profess to love seeing played.

Further proves to me,tbh, that alot of the people that say they do don't actually love game players at all... They just love aaron, based on the personality he has constructed to fool them. They just use 'he's playing the game' as a transparent defense for his actions.

Because anyone else who plays the game is villified for it.

^^^this!!^^^

[Rustic bauble]

Faye was telling Aaron about how guilty she felt that she stayed and Harry left, she was really upset about it..but he just ignored her and went on about some random theory he had conjured up about Jay and the fans.

here is proof that Faye loved Harry I hope you appreciate it it took me ages to find the right bits. Faye was the one who showed him the most affection when he left, whereas Aaron just sat there crying to himself.


http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=237&pictureid=1919

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=237&pictureid=1920

Thats not true....He and Harry hugged twice...and Aaron was in tears. However so was Faye but according to you Fayes were genuine and Aarons were not....delusional...

[karezza]

Faye will be worse than Harry when she is evicted. She will be really nasty.

[dyfed]

Did anyone hear when Harry was asked for his take on Jay wiping his backside on someones pillow, I was shocked at his reply,I thought he would have been horrified,as most of us are,he told Emma,it was a dare thats why he did it,no big thing....,Harry made out like it was the most normal thing to do,that was when I lost all respect for him,he even Pooh pooh over Alex and the blind women,where is his principles now,he seemed more concerned about the amount of hair on the floor in the house,very bazare.....