My take on tonights events...

[Vicky.]

Here we go...I do not think that Aarons 'sabotage' was deliberate. At all.

Aaron didnt even make the first mistake. They all agreed to nom the two people to the side of them, started this, then BB made them switch. While switching, they decided to keep the SAME noms as they would have been doing if they hadnt switched. Most did this. But someone went wrong somewhere. As by the time it was Aarons turn to vote, Faye already had 2 noms, and lousie already had 2 noms...and Faye/Louise were meant to be Aarons votes(going on the first seating order, which is what they agreed). So someone had voted for Faye AND Louise when they werent supposed to.

I think Aaron figured out that Faye already had 2 (he would obviously be paying more attention to that than louise) but messed up on his counting. And still put Louise up, thinking she only had 1. And threw his other vote to Tom as he realized Tom was missing a vote. You could clearly see he was very confused during his nominations...he knew it had gone wrong somewhere

Then tried to justify his actions by saying he wanted to save Alex(and the crap about the HMS families etc.) instead of just admitting that he made a mistake. And pretty much dug himself into a massive hole, and then kept up the facade. He does tend to be quite stubborn and always wants to make out hes right or did things for a reason, rather than just admitting that hes human and makes mistakes sometimes :S

I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part, as it kinda goes against the whole ' he did it to be nice to Alex' or 'to be true to himself' reasoning, but I honestly think this is what happened.

[rk3388]

he said himself it was deliberate :confused:

[Vicky.]

he said himself it was deliberate :confused:

Take it you didnt read the second part of my post...

[fingers]

he said himself it was deliberate :confused:

He's a man with high principles he'd NEVER lie, would he????? :dance::hugesmile:

[Visage]

Here we go...I do not think that Aarons 'sabotage' was deliberate. At all.

Aaron didnt even make the first mistake. They all agreed to nom the two people to the side of them, started this, then BB made them switch. While switching, they decided to keep the SAME noms as they would have been doing if they hadnt switched. Most did this. But someone went wrong somewhere. As by the time it was Aarons turn to vote, Faye already had 2 noms, and lousie already had 2 noms...and Faye/Louise were meant to be Aarons votes(going on the first seating order, which is what they agreed). So someone had voted for Faye AND Louise when they werent supposed to.

I think Aaron figured out that Faye already had 2 (he would obviously be paying more attention to that than louise) but messed up on his counting. And still put Louise up, thinking she only had 1. And threw his other vote to Tom as he realized Tom was missing a vote. You could clearly see he was very confused during his nominations...he knew it had gone wrong somewhere

Then tried to justify his actions by saying he wanted to save Alex(and the crap about the HMS families etc.) instead of just admitting that he made a mistake. And pretty much dug himself into a massive hole, and then kept up the facade. He does tend to be quite stubborn and always wants to make out hes right or did things for a reason, rather than just admitting that hes human and makes mistakes sometimes :S

I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part, as it kinda goes against the whole ' he did it to be nice to Alex' or 'to be true to himself' reasoning, but I honestly think this is what happened.

I thought it was him who made the mistake but rather yjan expose show his (what he might think) stupidity he opted for telling them the reason was because of Alex. Hence why he continued with this later talking to Faye.

[Vicky.]

He's a man with high principles he'd NEVER lie, would he????? :dance::hugesmile:

Oh he would (in my opinion) if it stopped him from having to admit he was wrong about something ;)

[Vicky.]

I thought it was him who made the mistake but rather yjan expose show his (what he might think) stupidity he opted for telling them the reason was because of Alex. Hence why he continued with this later talking to Faye.

He kind of did, and kind of didnt. As I say they had agreed to stick to who they were going to nominate before they switched seats. Which meant Aarons votes would have been Louise and Faye.

He made a mistake in the way that he didnt realise Louise already had 2 noms...but the first mistake was not his, or Lou/Faye would not have had 2 noms already when it came to Aarons turn :S

[MTVN]

Was it Tom who messed it up, I think he was meant to vote for Alex but went for Louise?

[Vicky.]

Was it Tom who messed it up, I think he was meant to vote for Alex but went for Louise?

I think he might have, but then someone else must have messed up too as Faye had an extra vote to what she was supposed to aswell

[Cromwell1900]

I thought it was Faye that went wrong as i was watching it, when Aaron said he had done it to save Alex i dismissed it.

[MTVN]

I think he might have, but then someone else must have messed up too as Faye had an extra vote to what she was supposed to aswell

Alex went for Faye instead of Aaron :suspect:

[MTVN]

Alex went for Faye instead of Aaron :suspect:

And then Jay went for Faye instead of Louise, but he would have given Louise 3 if he'd stuck to it so that mistake stemmed from Toms one I think

[jet]

Here we go...I do not think that Aarons 'sabotage' was deliberate. At all.

Aaron didnt even make the first mistake. They all agreed to nom the two people to the side of them, started this, then BB made them switch. While switching, they decided to keep the SAME noms as they would have been doing if they hadnt switched. Most did this. But someone went wrong somewhere. As by the time it was Aarons turn to vote, Faye already had 2 noms, and lousie already had 2 noms...and Faye/Louise were meant to be Aarons votes(going on the first seating order, which is what they agreed). So someone had voted for Faye AND Louise when they werent supposed to.

I think Aaron figured out that Faye already had 2 (he would obviously be paying more attention to that than louise) but messed up on his counting. And still put Louise up, thinking she only had 1. And threw his other vote to Tom as he realized Tom was missing a vote. You could clearly see he was very confused during his nominations...he knew it had gone wrong somewhere

Then tried to justify his actions by saying he wanted to save Alex(and the crap about the HMS families etc.) instead of just admitting that he made a mistake. And pretty much dug himself into a massive hole, and then kept up the facade. He does tend to be quite stubborn and always wants to make out hes right or did things for a reason, rather than just admitting that hes human and makes mistakes sometimes :S

I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part, as it kinda goes against the whole ' he did it to be nice to Alex' or 'to be true to himself' reasoning, but I honestly think this is what happened.

Yes, I noticed that too.

Aside from that:
Aaron's excuse in the DR was that he would never buckle where his principles are concerned - yet in the first round of noms he seemed happy to do just that, even though he had previously said he wouldn't. It was only when BB stopped the noms and said there would be serious consequences that he came over all principled. Was he worried they might reduce the prize money and/or he didn't want another spanner thrown into the works of his game plan?

[thefatfairy]

Aaron messed up the voting delibrately, he admitted it afterwards. Round about the same time he admitted that he would save Alex before saving Faye, the true colours had to come out at some stage... The guy is a total creep. :dance:

[jet]

Aaron messed up the voting delibrately, he admitted it afterwards. Round about the same time he admitted that he would save Alex before saving Faye, the true colours had to come out at some stage... The guy is a total creep. :dance:

He sure is.

[fingers]

Let's hope he doesn't get to be a RICH creep! :joker::hugesmile:

[psychtracker]

I had the vibe that by the middle stage of noms, that they all knew the original plan was messed up, and they were just trying to even it up so everyone got two votes. Whether he intentionally gave Louise a 3rd vote, we'll probably never know. It would seem a bit surprising that he lost track, coz he appears quite sharp on calculations. Especially during the week when he influenced Jay to nominate Harry.

[Vicky.]

First round...vote 2 HMs to your left

Aaron.......Lou and Faye
Louise......Faye and Tom
Faye........Tom and Alex
Tom.........Alex and Jay
Alex..........Jay and Aaron
Jay...........Aaron and Lou

Then BB speaks and reshuffles Hms....Tom says remember who you voted for 1st time

Second round...and this is where it gets confusing as BB doesn't go around in order like the first time so they can't do the two to the left again

Tom....Jay and Lou
Faye....Alex and louise
Alex......Jay and Faye
Jay......Aaron and faye

This where it gets a mess

Aaron....Louise and Tom
Louise....Aaron and Faye

But the order they were seated in was...

Tom/Jay/Alex/Faye/louise/Aaron

So from the start of second round Tom buggered it by telling people to remember and didn't himself and then none of them did the 2 to the left from the beginning...

Stolen from DS. Was going to watch it again on catchup and do this myself, but someone else has done it already...so no need :tongue:

[djr2514]

When bb made them redo the noms I heard Jay, and Tom say to just remember who nominated and nom them again. Well they started with Faye and she messed up first, because she was suppose to nom Tom and Alex, but for some reason she said Louise and Alex, and it all went downhill from there so when it got to Aaron they wanted to force him to nom Alex, which he didn't do the first time he nominated Louise and Faye but now Faye already has 2 noms and so he noms Tom instead and Louise, but to be fair Faye messed the noms up first and Louise isn't innocent either.

[MTVN]

When bb made them redo the noms I heard Jay, and Tom say to just remember who nominated and nom them again. Well they started with Faye and she messed up first, because she was suppose to nom Tom and Alex, but for some reason she said Louise and Alex, and it all went downhill from there so when it got to Aaron they wanted to force him to nom Alex, which he didn't do the first time he nominated Louise and Faye but now Faye already has 2 noms and so he noms Tom instead and Louise, but to be fair Faye messed the noms up first and Louise isn't innocent either.

Tom was the first to nominate

[Pyramid*]

BB have been doing it since sh*tgate - ie: since the first few weeks. There is no way that Aaron would not have put Jay up for that reason - yet not a cheap of it at all.

If BB weren't getting the nominees they wanted, they simply chose to change the rules to suit.

This will likely be the last series I'll be watching with any real interest - because of this and the fact that it has been so very blatant, week after week.

[LeXcellence]

It still could have been all of them up. If Louise had have kept track she'd have seen that they could have all been up besides Alex if she voted for Tom second. He did look confused but yeah it's hard to tell if messed it up by accident.

[psychtracker]

No, as per the other thread "HL show lies AGAIN", and what was shown on BBOTS, she tried to nominate Tom, but BB disallowed it.

[psychtracker]

If BB weren't getting the nominees they wanted, they simply chose to change the rules to suit.


Yep, they obviously didn't want them all up, nor 5 up. I assume they thought it'd turn the final into an anti-climax.

[Vicky.]

It still could have been all of them up. If Louise had have kept track she'd have seen that they could have all been up besides Alex if she voted for Tom second. He did look confused but yeah it's hard to tell if messed it up by accident.

She tried to do this, but BB disallowed the vote...

[LeXcellence]

It should have showed that then. Instead it's put her in a bad light really.

[psychtracker]

It should have showed that then.

no sh*t! ..that's what we've been moaning about for the last couple of hours!

[LeXcellence]

I gathered that! I wasn't aware they'd shown anything on BBBM. As I tend not to watch it. So I didn't know.

[psychtracker]

that's ok..you're up to speed now, it was very confusing, indeed!

[LeXcellence]

It was either a choice of either watching Emma Willis about to drop the baby and talk with guests and bash people or watch Wrestling. :hugesmile:

They should have shown it in the main show really because hardly anyone watches BBBM. So if their trying to put her in a bad light then they have. I don't mind Louise really. Just annoys me.

[psychtracker]

It was either a choice of either watching Emma Willis about to drop the baby and talk with guests and bash people or watch Wrestling. :hugesmile:

They should have shown it in the main show really because hardly anyone watches BBBM. So if their trying to put her in a bad light then they have. I don't mind Louise really. Just annoys me.

Yeah, i rarely watch it as well...i saw the first half on Youtube. They were all kitted out in Halloween dress...which made the show even more farcical than normal!

I'm not sure if it put Louise in a totally bad light, the panel seemed to be applauding her.

The confusing part we've been discussing is why the HL show had her saying she didn't have any intention of nominating Tom, and seemed to be sacrificing herself for the "group", yet the clip was totally at odds, because she tried to nominate him, but BB rejected it. Very strange!

[jyunga]

It's not strange. She only picked Tom cause Jay gestured for her to vote for Tom. After BB rejected her vote on the grounds she was influenced (which she was), she picked who she wanted (Faye).

[LeXcellence]

On what the HL showed. They've done this in past weeks show only certain things and then for BBBM to correct it. It does sound very strange. It all really depends if a lot of people watched BBBM or have the internet to read what went on so it doesn't show her in a bad light. I don't care much for Lou. Neither do I care for Faye. Be interesting to see what this week is like on HL for her. If she starts being with Jay a lot and doing things they'll make it look like she's trying to suck up to the viewers so they save her so she can be with Jay. Same with Faye really if she does the same with Aaroan.

[psychtracker]

It's not strange. She only picked Tom cause Jay gestured for her to vote for Tom. After BB rejected her vote on the grounds she was influenced (which she was), she picked who she wanted (Faye).

What, so you don't think it was slightly strange that we had something like 15 minutes of Nomination footage on the HL show, and they omitted an important 10 sec piece, which they went on to show on BBOTS as part of a 20 second summary of the nights events? :conf:

I think what they wanted to do by omitting this footage on the HL show, was to portray Louise as slightly dopey, but loyal. And conceal the fact that they didn't want a 5 way eviction just before the final.

[iRyan]

He knew that he was doing. He's not an idiot.

[Vicky.]

He knew that he was doing. He's not an idiot.

Oh you have to be an idiot now to make a mistake

Sorry, I didnt know that

[iRyan]

Oh you have to be an idiot now to make a mistake

Sorry, I didnt know that

Why would he lie about deliberately screwing up the vote? There is no point.

At first we all saw him lie that he made a mistake, then he came clean. Why would he fake coming clean?

[Vicky.]

Pride. IMO.

Seems the kind who would rather come off as selfish and arrogant than admit he was wrong ;)

[Carniala]

So reading this , Why did Louise did not vote for Alex instead of Tom, I think she would have made 5 HM go up for eviction and save the face but instead she blamed Aaron only, so TBH re-watching it Jay did vote as usual for Fay and Aaron as usual,everybody voted as usual, and the Aaron not wanting to vote for Alex as usual is odd, and Louise voting as usual for Fay and Aaron is an act of heroism, beats me.

[MachoPoodle]

One minute it's all about how incredibly clever Aaron is, and suddenly when it suits people that like him, he can't even count to 2? Please...

[G1dds]

One minute it's all about how incredibly clever Aaron is, and suddenly when it suits people that like him, he can't even count to 2? Please...



No, I think the point is that most went wrong starting from Faye, as the 2 she nominated weren't the 2 that were originally sat beside her. Im sure its pretty hard to keep up with how many were nominated so quickly, when the plan had gone slightly off track

Aaron decided to then not nominate Alex, but if Louise had been allowed to nominate Tom, like she apparently tried to, 5 housemates would have been up

I think the mistake he actually made was thinking that he could exclude Alex from the votes and believing BB wouldn't manipulate the vote to suit (ie, not allowing Louise to nom Thomas)

[coralqueen]

ffs, Aaron should be able to vote for anyone he wants to...louise messed it up most by not saying tom, but as usual Aaron gets the blame....Aaron or alex to win...

[Kazanne]

Was it Tom who messed it up, I think he was meant to vote for Alex but went for Louise?

Some one said on another forum that it was Tom who messed up.

[Kazanne]

Here we go...I do not think that Aarons 'sabotage' was deliberate. At all.

Aaron didnt even make the first mistake. They all agreed to nom the two people to the side of them, started this, then BB made them switch. While switching, they decided to keep the SAME noms as they would have been doing if they hadnt switched. Most did this. But someone went wrong somewhere. As by the time it was Aarons turn to vote, Faye already had 2 noms, and lousie already had 2 noms...and Faye/Louise were meant to be Aarons votes(going on the first seating order, which is what they agreed). So someone had voted for Faye AND Louise when they werent supposed to.

I think Aaron figured out that Faye already had 2 (he would obviously be paying more attention to that than louise) but messed up on his counting. And still put Louise up, thinking she only had 1. And threw his other vote to Tom as he realized Tom was missing a vote. You could clearly see he was very confused during his nominations...he knew it had gone wrong somewhere

Then tried to justify his actions by saying he wanted to save Alex(and the crap about the HMS families etc.) instead of just admitting that he made a mistake. And pretty much dug himself into a massive hole, and then kept up the facade. He does tend to be quite stubborn and always wants to make out hes right or did things for a reason, rather than just admitting that hes human and makes mistakes sometimes :S

I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part, as it kinda goes against the whole ' he did it to be nice to Alex' or 'to be true to himself' reasoning, but I honestly think this is what happened.

I actually thought he had got confused,he looked very muddled after the switch around and it seemed to me like a genuine mistake,but how DARE we post that,LOL,I do think Aaron (as most men) is stubborn and would not like it percieved that he had made a mistake,but whichever it was,it was not only him who messed up,Louise has already admitted she was going to switch her votes but 'pretented' she got confused and Tom also messed up so whoever Aaron picked would not have made too much difference as Faye and Louise already got more,I also think Aaron got annoyed at being pushed into voting who others wanted him to,but the outcome is good I think,we get rid of some deadwood i reckon this week,I can save my pennies and Aaron is in the final,:hugesmile:

[exoticrosebud]

Oh he would (in my opinion) if it stopped him from having to admit he was wrong about something ;)

cant believe he would lie in a game show to win loads of money.! oh dear...that would never do.....
Id lie to hell and back if it got me to the final and a chance......If you enter a game..you should have a game plan....and stick to it.....if people go in there and expect to find true love and romance to last for ever thats their bad luck if it doesnt work out.....that is not the object of the game....if it works great. if it doesnt, tough! I cant understand how the creepy horrid Tom is still there..he has done naff all except moan and droan....thnk i will be glad when its over.!

[psychtracker]

No, I think the point is that most went wrong starting from Faye, as the 2 she nominated weren't the 2 that were originally sat beside her.
Thomas)

No, it went wrong right from the first one to nom, which was TOM. He should have nommed Alex & Jay, but strangely had a brain meltdown and picked Jay & Louise...which threw the whole plan out of balance, then they all voted quite randomly.

[fruit_cake]

this is a lose lose situation for Aaron fans, either way he looks bad imo

[psychtracker]

I do think Aaron (as most men) is stubborn and would not like it percieved that he had made a mistake,but whichever it was,it was not only him who messed up,


Hmm...i'm a bit dubious of this theory that Aaron was brain muddled, then too stubborn or proud to admit his mistake. Seems way more plausible that he simply wanted to put Louise up, and then see what move she would make from there. He probably underestimated the level of fallout, and got a bit flustered from there on, thus changing his story.

When BB disallowed Louise to put Tom up - a 5 way split, it also put more heat on Aaron's decision to give Louise a 3rd vote.

[exoticrosebud]

either way.....one of them would have had to go.....so does it matter........one of the so called couples would have gone...and i was quite scared by the way that Tom kept redoing his skelleton makeup !!!

[fingers]

BB has interfered and manipulated what the viewers see right from the start, casual viewers i.e. those who matter/(VOTE ) are given a distorted view of what goes on so that Endemol gets the results that it intended (according to the producers' scripts.

Those whe frequent forums or go on line don't figure in Endemol's calculations (they don't matter!)

[Vicky.]

One minute it's all about how incredibly clever Aaron is, and suddenly when it suits people that like him, he can't even count to 2? Please...

I never said he couldnt count to 2 :bored:

Its quite reasonable to say he could have made a mistake, given that the rest all ballsed it up too anyway. What I dont like is the coverup story he concocted to save face.

[psychtracker]

BB has interfered and manipulated what the viewers see right from the start, casual viewers i.e. those who matter/(VOTE ) are given a distorted view of what goes on so that Endemol gets the results that it intended (according to the producers' scripts.

Those whe frequent forums or go on line don't figure in Endemol's calculations (they don't matter!)

Of course! Endemol don't care what a bunch of BB forum wackballs think of their crazy editing and botched manipulation. All they're interested is attempting to churn out a popular and entertaining show for the masses.

[arista]

"I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part,"


Good lets have it all Out.


Life In The Fast Lane.

[Tourmaline]

No, it went wrong right from the first one to nom, which was TOM. He should have nommed Alex & Jay, but strangely had a brain meltdown and picked Jay & Louise...which threw the whole plan out of balance, then they all voted quite randomly.

Hmm I wonder if Tom was actually voting for who he wanted to nominate had it been in the DR. As soon as they were made to switch places because BB told them all that their noms had to be their own and not influenced in any way it seems to me that everyone voted for who they wanted to vote for in the first place. So the outcome would have been the same if it had been done in the DR IMHO

[psychtracker]

Hmm I wonder if Tom was actually voting for who he wanted to nominate had it been in the DR. As soon as they were made to switch places because BB told them all that their noms had to be their own and not influenced in any way it seems to me that everyone voted for who they wanted to vote for in the first place. So the outcome would have been the same if it had been done in the DR IMHO

Yeah, i don't know...maybe he did do that. But, it's all a confusing mess, coz there seemed to be an undercurrent that they were all gonna keep everyone at 2 votes until Aaron, whether intentionally or not, disrupted proceedings and threw a 3rd vote to Louise.

[Kazanne]

Tom(what we all missed)

He told everyone when they reshuffled when nominating in the second round to remember who they had nominated first so all would be up.

1st nommed to his left....Jay and Alex

He was the first to nominate in the second round and he changed it to Jay and louise.

Considering he was 1st to go...why didn't he stick to his original as he'd told everyone else?

I think he realised he might not be safe so went for it.

[Adamw92]

So Big Brother told Louise to change her nomination from Tom? so instead of nominating Alex (which would still result in five being up for eviction) she chose Faye

[Tourmaline]

Yeah, i don't know...maybe he did do that. But, it's all a confusing mess, coz there seemed to be an undercurrent that they were all gonna keep everyone at 2 votes until Aaron, whether intentionally or not, disrupted proceedings and threw a 3rd vote to Louise.

Hmm I really do believe that BB didn't want them all up this week because that's what they will inevitably have planned for the final week but because of the extremely bad edit we are just completely confuddled by it.

[Vicky.]

Tom(what we all missed)

He told everyone when they reshuffled when nominating in the second round to remember who they had nominated first so all would be up.

1st nommed to his left....Jay and Alex

He was the first to nominate in the second round and he changed it to Jay and louise.

Considering he was 1st to go...why didn't he stick to his original as he'd told everyone else?

I think he realised he might not be safe so went for it.

Yup...Tom was the first to make a 'mistake'...straight after telling the others to stick to who they would have originally voted for if they hadnt changed seats.

I honestly think that the rest all just nominated for real the second time round, and found it convenient to blame only aaron, as his nominations just happened to knock one person onto 3 votes...had they all stuck to the plan...Lou would never have had 3 votes anyway

[psychtracker]

Hmm I really do believe that BB didn't want them all up this week because that's what they will inevitably have planned for the final week but because of the extremely bad edit we are just completely confuddled by it.

Yep, totally agree.

[fingers]

Hmm I really do believe that BB didn't want them all up this week because that's what they will inevitably have planned for the final week but because of the extremely bad edit we are just completely confuddled by it.

By sticking rigidly to their script they got the result they wanted and so they can continue with Plan "A" - all up next week, God forbid that housemates should be allowed to deviate from the script! :dance:

[psychtracker]

I honestly think that the rest all just nominated for real the second time round, and found it convenient to blame only aaron, as his nominations just happened to knock one person onto 3 votes...had they all stuck to the plan...Lou would never have had 3 votes anyway

The weird thing was, when Aaron was confronted...why he didn't just say - everyone else altered their votes from the original plan as well. A perfect defense.

The only thing i can think, is that there was more to it that wasn't shown. And there were lots of mutterings by the HMs during nominating, and everyone was being careful to contrive to give each other a max 2 votes, regardless of the original plan.