Has BB12 Being Successful For Channel 5

[Pronshi]

Hai TIBB!
Being a while, I usually just lurk on forums to see others opinions.
But I would just like to ask what do you think, do you think Big Brother has done well for channel 5's first year. Even thou they kinda mucked it up from the start.
Not gonna mention it, encase people go crazy so ill leave it out, but i mean things like the fact it was on straight after the CBB.

I think it did ok, for channel 5, although if we look at BB1 on channel 4 that didnt do so great either, maybe this year channel 5 just wanted to play about with the show and test out the waters

Maybe next year will be epic!
I have to admit i hated here but overall the housemate that got me into the show this year was Rebecca, plain simple, i hated her and i could not stop screaming at the telly, yet i was sad to see her go!

So yea i thought this year was basic but did channel 5 well, lets see what will happen next year.

(Yes i know there is one week left but lets just see what happens)

[In the Drunk Tank]

Not a success no but it's not been a complete failure, I think it's been good enough to justify one more series at least

[iRyan]

It's been a decent start for BB on C5.

Next year they just need more outrageous housemates and a live feed.

[Pronshi]

it's been a decent start for bb on c5.

Next year they just need more outrageous housemates and a live feed.

this!

[sexyb4ck]

i enjoyed this series more than the last one on channel 4

[AJ.]

Couldn't have been much worse. Totally dumbed down, edited to within an inch of it's life, no livefeed & no original aspects. Exclusive chav material.

[Visage]

Personally I think it's been very successful, however I'm not sure what C5 would count as success.

[StraightEdge695]

yes because of aaron

[AJ.]

Not regularly under 1M & as low as 800K, that's for sure.

[Beastie]

It's been better than BB10 and BB11.

Shame we didn't have the vital resource which is LIVE FEED.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Not regularly under 1M & as low as 800K, that's for sure.

Official ratings haven't been below 1m once this series

[RichardG]

In terms of entertainment, for me, it's been great.
In terms of ratings and success for the channel, it's been... ok. The ratings are good for the channel but then some of their one off shows get similar, if not more viewers and only cost a fraction of the price Big Brother does. Only difference is that BB is on every night and those one off shows aren't. Weather or not they'll want to renew the contract for such a high price again I suppose remains to be seen.

[Pronshi]

It's been better than BB10 and BB11.

Shame we didn't have the vital resource which is LIVE FEED.

knew someone was gonna mention it
@__@

[Omah]

Not exactly, but not a complete disaster either.

The overnight ratings were low for BB but high for C5, and audience figures were consistent - 1.4m or so weekdays, 1m or so at the weekend - the demographic breakdown has yet to be issued, but I suspect that it will consist mainly of the target viewer, aged 12-18 ..... :idc:

Whether C5 executives think it was worth the massive cost is another matter, as is the satisfaction of the sponsors and advertisers ..... ;)

[AJ.]

Official ratings haven't been below 1m once this series

Isn't it overnights that most other series are judged on? Whatever the actual ratings are they have regularly rated worst 1-5 sometimes even beaten by ITV2 & other much cheaper shows in their own lineup. Not good enough for a show that costs £40M.

[Incensed]

For me it could have been great, but lack of live feed (Yeah. I know :hugesmile:) and really atrocious editing have ruined it.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Isn't it overnights that most other series are judged on? Whatever the actual ratings are they have regularly rated worst 1-5 sometimes even beaten by ITV2 & other much cheaper shows in their own lineup. Not good enough for a show that costs £40M.

Even so, there's only been 2 or maybe 3 episodes that have had less than a million viewers and they were Saturday nights as well, I haven't seen it beaten by ITV2 that much either, even on the Saturday's it always does better than Xtra Factor

[Benji10uk]

I think its been great for Channel 5 and i think if they get the correct mix - everything will be even better next year.

[Jake.]

Its about the audience share more than ratings, and BB12 and BBBOTS has helped raise the audience share for 5 and helped put it on the map. Sp yes, its been a success in my eyes

[AJ.]

Even so, there's only been 2 or maybe 3 episodes that have had less than a million viewers and they were Saturday nights as well, I haven't seen it beaten by ITV2 that much either, even on the Saturday's it always does better than Xtra Factor
What does it matter which day it is <1M is terrible & it's been beaten by xtra factor, celeb juice & towie.

[Benji10uk]

Yeah but overall, as mentioned its about percentage of audience share rather than singular showings of big brother.

[Bojangles]

Yes it has been good,what's the alternative No BB AT ALL.
We have to thank channel 5 ,they needn't have bothered with it.
There are a lot of people that don't like BB but for the hardened fans it's wonderful.

[AJ.]

Yeah but overall, as mentioned its about percentage of audience share rather than singular showings of big brother.
I may be wrong but I think I read that the share has only increased by around 0.3 which is obviously a lot lower than expected, the share for Big Brother even this week has been as low as 4%. It should be the highest rated & share in C5's schedule of which it's regularly neither.

[In the Drunk Tank]

What does it matter which day it is <1M is terrible & it's been beaten by xtra factor, celeb juice & towie.

Because saturday's have always drawn bad ratings, you were saying it's "regularly" drawn in less than a million viewers when this is clearly not the case, those were the exception not the norm, and the last few weeks it's still beaten the Xtra Factor despite the poor viewing figures

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

compared to normal C5 ratings yes

[Jake.]

Lets also remember that CBB9 is coming up sopn, and CBB8 did wonders for 5, so lets hope they can get in some decent celebs so that it can match CBB8s success

[Lex]

i enjoyed this series more than the last one on channel 4

I agree! :dance:

[AJ.]

Yes it has been good,what's the alternative No BB AT ALL.
We have to thank channel 5 ,they needn't have bothered with it.
There are a lot of people that don't like BB but for the hardened fans it's wonderful.

This BB is nothing at all like previous BB, a completely different show. I'm a "hardened fan" since BB1 & it certainly isn't wonderful.

[Maia]

It's been much better than some of the recent C4 series. It's definitely good for a start, I just hope for the next series they can experiment further until they get the mix right, bring back the live feed, tone down the editing perhaps - as for this series though, overall I'm rather pleased.

[Jake.]

I may be wrong but I think I read that the share has only increased by around 0.3 which is obviously a lot lower than expected, the share for Big Brother even this week has been as low as 4%. It should be the highest rated & share in C5's schedule of which it's regularly neither.

Why are you picking out the bad examples and none of the good ones? What about the high eviction percentages ect

[AJ.]

The highest & best examples of the series are still very bad ratings, has it even been over 2M once?

[Jake.]

Bad for Big Brother? Yes. Bad for Channel 5? No. Like I said, it's all about audience share, not ratings. Big Brother has mostly been winning its slot. And considering the success of CBB8 before hand, Channel 5 must be smiling.

[AJ.]

bullsh1t.

[Benji10uk]

This BB is nothing at all like previous BB, a completely different show. I'm a "hardened fan" since BB1 & it certainly isn't wonderful.

Im also a die hard fan from Series 1 - and no - this series isnt wonderful - but it also isnt as bad as BB4 for example. There is something about this series though that is fresh - and so makes me watch it, and because it has different influences (such as producers etc) its certainly different.

Different is good for BB, especially at this stage. So again, it is successful if your looking at this series on its own, not comparing it with other series and looking at this series as almost a new tv show.

Im not very good at explaining what i mean very well. Hopefully my point got across??

[Benji10uk]

People need to not compare this BB with any other BB as its almost a totally different tv show, and on a different channel.

[Omah]

The highest & best examples of the series are still very bad ratings, has it even been over 2M once?

Only on launch night, 2.77m - it dropped a million the next night and never recovered beyond 1.93m (official, AFAIK)

[Jake.]

bullsh1t.

How is it? Just because it has lost to the XTRA Factor a few times, that isnt to say that it hasnt been winning its slot alot of the time. Anyway, like I was explaining, its all about the audience share and the show reaching to its demographic

[AJ.]

Bad for Big Brother? Yes. Bad for Channel 5? No. Like I said, it's all about audience share, not ratings. Big Brother has mostly been winning its slot. And considering the success of CBB8 before hand, Channel 5 must be smiling.

Bad for C5? it cost £40M and is not always the ratings winner in it's own schedule & I'm not sure if it has even won it's slot once.

Im also a die hard fan from Series 1 - and no - this series isnt wonderful - but it also isnt as bad as BB4 for example. There is something about this series though that is fresh - and so makes me watch it, and because it has different influences (such as producers etc) its certainly different.

Different is good for BB, especially at this stage. So again, it is successful if your looking at this series on its own, not comparing it with other series and looking at this series as almost a new tv show.

Im not very good at explaining what i mean very well. Hopefully my point got across??
How is it successful in any terms? No original thought atall it's just a ripoff biased contrived version of towie/BBUS with a cheap & tacky C5 twist
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Only on launch night, 2.77m - it dropped a million the next night and never recovered beyond 1.93m (official, AFAIK)
1.93 is the highest of the series, would that be in the lowest 5 episodes ever BB1-11?

[ozzyshaggah]

c5 will be ecstatic with results on a number of levels considering it was a new product to them
the bb product is a viable investment so they will continue with it

yes they must make some changes for next year l/f for example is just one

[psychtracker]

I think the positives have been with the going a bit more minimalist in some ways. 9 weeks is ample, i think they proved you don't need totally over the top lunatics. 15 HMs was ok. You don't need 28 HMs, with triple eviction twists etc.. I think the spin off shows are unnecessary, and should be replaced with a daily live feed show of an hour or two, later at night, and of course a web based 24/7 LF is essential.

[Jake.]

Believe it or not, BOTS has also being doing very well, because befpre hand 5* would never had seen 600,000 viewers

[Jake.]

Bad for C5? it cost £40M and is not always the ratings winner in it's own schedule & I'm not sure if it has even won it's slot once.


How is it successful in any terms? No original thought atall it's just a ripoff biased contrived version of towie/BBUS with a cheap & tacky C5 twist
.

1.93 is the highest of the series, would that be in the lowest 5 episodes ever BB1-11?

I cqnnot be bothered to talk about this with someone who doesnt wish to listen -.-

[Pronshi]

It's been much better than some of the recent C4 series. It's definitely good for a start, I just hope for the next series they can experiment further until they get the mix right, bring back the live feed, tone down the editing perhaps - as for this series though, overall I'm rather pleased.

i hope they can improve next year too :)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Hai TIBB!
Being a while, I usually just lurk on forums to see others opinions.
But I would just like to ask what do you think, do you think Big Brother has done well for channel 5's first year. Even thou they kinda mucked it up from the start.
Not gonna mention it, encase people go crazy so ill leave it out, but i mean things like the fact it was on straight after the CBB.

I think it did ok, for channel 5, although if we look at BB1 on channel 4 that didnt do so great either, maybe this year channel 5 just wanted to play about with the show and test out the waters

Maybe next year will be epic!
I have to admit i hated here but overall the housemate that got me into the show this year was Rebecca, plain simple, i hated her and i could not stop screaming at the telly, yet i was sad to see her go!

So yea i thought this year was basic but did channel 5 well, lets see what will happen next year.

(Yes i know there is one week left but lets just see what happens)

What are you talking about lol BB1 on Channel 4 was a massive hit. It was a phenomenon and 9 million people watched the final. There was a massive press conference when nick was kicked out and it constantly made it onto the mainstream news.

It averaged 4.7 million viewers.

Hardly a flop lol.

Going back to BB on Channel 5 though. No it has underperformed sadly.

When daytime soap "Doctors" is getting more viewers than BB then you know its just not working.

[AJ.]

I cqnnot be bothered to talk about this with someone who doesnt wish to listen -.-

I am listening but what you're saying is wrong. "Big Brother has mostly been winning its slot" No it hasn't, I'm not sure it's even done that once this series, it's mostly been either lowest or second lowest share & rating.

BBBOTS has had surprising good & consistent ratings though.

[joeysteele]

Overall it's probably done enough to be deemed successful enough. The bigger advertisers are there especially on eviction nights and so I would say they will be content rather than ecstatic at its rating.

They 'know' what to do if they want bigger ratings next year though, bring in much more footage and/or live feed fully or in part.

[Jake.]

I am listening but what you're saying is wrong. "Big Brother has mostly been winning its slot" No it hasn't, I'm not sure it's even done that once this series, it's mostly been either lowest or second lowest share & rating.

BBBOTS has had surprising good & consistent ratings though.

But every post of yours seems to only consider ratings, not the fact of audience share that I have been bringing up (apart from your post above). No one should be comparing this to BB1 or the highest rated Big Brothers, because its been on our screens for some time now, and unless it ever gets picked up by ITV1 (which it won't) its not going to hit them highs again . We need to focus on what its doing for 5 before anything else.

[Kazakh]

BB continues it's inexorable slide. The Producers have a myopic sense of what makes a good HM as evinced by the spooge offered these last few seasons. What, then, will C5 do? Probably more of the same next year. The Club 18-30 format will only draw die hard fans, Endemol have a legal one year remaining so Desmond et al may as well run the effing show into the ground - sad really.

[AJ.]

But every post of yours seems to only consider ratings, not the fact of audience share that I have been bringing up (apart from your post above). No one should be comparing this to BB1 or the highest rated Big Brothers, because its been on our screens for some time now, and unless it ever gets picked up by ITV1 (which it won't) its not going to hit them highs again . We need to focus on what its doing for 5 before anything else.

I'm not comparing it against the highest rating series, the highest rating/share episode this series would still be on the lowest 5 episodes from series 1-11 (I think..) like I said this series of BB has mostly come last in it's timeslot vs C1-4 & even ITV2 sometimes which is definitely not good enough for something that costs £40M but even that is not why I call this series a failure! It's the content; TOWIE/BBUS soap hybrid, no original BB or new concepts, only country without livefeed. C5 had an opportunity to change the current public opinion on Big Brother of those 6M people that tuned in to the launch but instead affirmed it & managed to turn 80% away. If the show was atall decent & what people wanted to watch the ratings would be improving whether there was sufficient advertisement or not but instead they are steadily falling from an already disappointing figure.

[Stu]

In my own helplessly judgemental way I'm basing the series on those I know who still watch it and those I recognise in the media and to a lesser extent these forums who still watch it.

Whilst a spastic TV argument was always launched at Big Brother it always had a large group of people from respected TV critics to the Charlie Brookers to these odd "you're too smart to watch a show like this" folks who have often passed through these forums who adored the show. These kind of people don't exist anymore.

The only people I see watching the show now are relatively young people, relatively stupid people, or people who - and fair enough if that is your thing - never took a vital interest in the integrity of the format and just wanted a show to watch.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

BB continues it's inexorable slide. The Producers have a myopic sense of what makes a good HM as evinced by the spooge offered these last few seasons. What, then, will C5 do? Probably more of the same next year. The Club 18-30 format will only draw die hard fans, Endemol have a legal one year remaining so Desmond et al may as well run the effing show into the ground - sad really.

Series not "Seasons".

This is not America.

#Jutssaying

[Omah]

In my own helplessly judgemental way I'm basing the series on those I know who still watch it and those I recognise in the media and to a lesser extent these forums who still watch it.

Whilst a spastic TV argument was always launched at Big Brother it always had a large group of people from respected TV critics to the Charlie Brookers to these odd "you're too smart to watch a show like this" folks who have often passed through these forums who adored the show. These kind of people don't exist anymore.

The only people I see watching the show now are relatively young people, relatively stupid people, or people who - and fair enough if that is your thing - never took a vital interest in the integrity of the format and just wanted a show to watch.

BIB - Harsh but probably true ..... :laugh2:

[In the Drunk Tank]

Big Brother has been pretty low brow television for years though, they made it into a freak show from about BB5 onwards, this set of housemates could all be considered quite normal compared to some that have been in in recent years

[Kazakh]

Daniel I take your point (Oooh Matron!). It is still crap.

[Tom]

CBB was a success but BB has been a complete flop for the channel and has made the schedule fall apart. But now Channel 5 have some experience, they now know what they need to do to make next year better. That could be due to it being on at a weird time of year. CBB should have no trouble matching its audience earlier in the year when it returns in January but BB could be in trouble. But maybe being back in through the summer will help espeicially if they keep it at 10 weeks.

CBB is the main event these days, BB just keeps the core fans happy throughout the year. It would be like ITV doing "I'm Not a Celebrity" in the spring/summer and on for about 10-13 weeks. It probably wouldn't work.

[waterhog]

if this and the last deadwood twins CBB has not been a fail for ch5 < i will hate to see it when it gets bad. OMG ch5 fix upppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

[In the Drunk Tank]

CBB was a success but BB has been a complete flop for the channel and has made the schedule fall apart. But now Channel 5 have some experience, they now know what they need to do to make next year better. That could be due to it being on at a weird time of year. CBB should have no trouble matching its audience earlier in the year when it returns in January but BB could be in trouble. But maybe being back in through the summer will help espeicially if they keep it at 10 weeks.

CBB is the main event these days, BB just keeps the core fans happy throughout the year. It would be like ITV doing "I'm Not a Celebrity" in the spring/summer and on for about 10-13 weeks. It probably wouldn't work.

Yeah BB is unlikely to ever attract any more viewers aside from the core fan base of 1/1.5m people, CBB will always be more successful in attracting the casual viewer and generating interest