The balance of negative 'bias' and not being shown at all

[vesavius]

Look, all you folks constantly crying about how Aaron is 'hated' and how 'biased' the BB team is and how Aaron gets a 'bad edit'... Try and think a little about it.

Has it not occured to you that if BB didn't include Aaron's negative behaviour in the main show, or talk about it on BOTS, and focused on his positive side that he would have received maybe 10% of the camera time he has and wouldn't be the HM you apparently love.

In fact, you fans would probably not be fans at all.. you would probably all be saying, 'yeah, he is a nice guy, but he hasn't done much...'

Aaron has THRIVED of the 'negative' coverage of his behaviour BB have given him, appealing to the viewer's sense of 'injustice' and supposed victimisation. It has been GOOD for him.

Aaron, if BB ignored his game plans, manipulations, and conflicts, would be at best just another Freddy. A 'nice guy' only supported because he was 'bullied'.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Big Brother love Aaron, the show's pretty much revolved around him this year

[vesavius]

Big Brother love Aaron, the show's pretty much revolved around him this year

I believe that as well.

[Cherry Christmas]

I hope you are right...but it is a good point I will give you that.

[vesavius]

I hope you are right...but it is a good point I will give you that.

/falls over :joker:

[Lozzibear]

What annoys me though, is that bad stuff from other people isn't show... example, Jay and the freezer! The whole Aaron being blamed for the failure of the snow rescue task, when Anton was meant to rescue him coz he needed painkillers but they cut that bit out. Not showing 'watergate' in the HL show but showing a silly argument between Aaron and Faye over the burping... That is why it is biased, not because they show bad stuff, but because they show things he does but miss other important things that can make other certain housemates look bad.

[Objectivegirl]

I'd still rather have been able to make my own mind up about it though. Don't like someone else deciding what I am allowed to see and then letting me make up my mind on that narrow basis.
Cits both ways and this applies to the other HMs as well. We know from (unscripted) conversations on BBBOTS that some pretty contentious stuff from other HMs has been kept back from public consumption. Why?
Without live feed, BB is a sham of its former self and will play a very minor role (if any) in future ratings games.

[Cherry Christmas]

/falls over :joker:

:devil::joker:

[Kazanne]

What annoys me though, is that bad stuff from other people isn't show... example, Jay and the freezer! The whole Aaron being blamed for the failure of the snow rescue task, when Anton was meant to rescue him coz he needed painkillers but they cut that bit out. Not showing 'watergate' in the HL show but showing a silly argument between Aaron and Faye over the burping... That is why it is biased, not because they show bad stuff, but because they show things he does but miss other important things that can make other certain housemates look bad.

THIS^would be ok IF they had shown the others shortcomings too

[In the Drunk Tank]

They're always showing Jay doing disgusting stuff

[Objectivegirl]

They're always showing Jay doing disgusting stuff

****ting in the freezer???

[MrWong]

They could concentrate on how quick witted he is. :elephant:

"Supposed victimisation"?

He's been called a pr!ck, a scumbag, a wank*r and an abusive husband on Sh!t On The Side. The main host told a fan he should be ashamed of himself for being a fan of Aaron and on OK!TV Jeff wotshisname keeps repeating ad nauseam that he hates Aaron.

The bias in the edit is only the tip of the iceberg.

You are also assuming that he's only positive 10% of the time. Which is ridiculous considering we only get to watch 45 mins of 24 hours.

Aaron was masterful in his secret task, so why did BB wait 9 weeks to give him one and instead dish out 2 or more to the likes of Tom, Jay and Alex.

I like Aaron because he's played the game well (Freddie didn't) I also like Aaron because he comes out with great one-liners (Freddie didn't)

[DoM-h]

****ting in the freezer???

Haha. That was a good comeback

[MrWong]

What annoys me though, is that bad stuff from other people isn't show... example, Jay and the freezer! The whole Aaron being blamed for the failure of the snow rescue task, when Anton was meant to rescue him coz he needed painkillers but they cut that bit out. Not showing 'watergate' in the HL show but showing a silly argument between Aaron and Faye over the burping... That is why it is biased, not because they show bad stuff, but because they show things he does but miss other important things that can make other certain housemates look bad.

They also cut out Louise throwing a ketchup bottle at Aaron's head. The edit made it look like he was only p!ssed off about the froisties all over the house.

[In the Drunk Tank]

****ting in the freezer???

Just because they don't show every disguting thing he does doesn't mean they don't show any of it

C5 even have their daily rag going on about it :idc: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/playlist/view/218353/Big-Brother-2011-Fury-at-disgusting-Jay/

[BBfan6418]

Haha. That was a good comeback

Good comeback? Aaron fans have been using it since week 1.

[vesavius]

They also cut out Louise throwing a ketchup bottle at Aaron's head.

..and look at what people call Louise...

'Boring'.

That's the point being made.

[Pyramid*]

THIS^would be ok IF they had shown the others shortcomings too

this.

I so love these constant barrage of Anti Arron threads cropping up. It's so funny - this forum will be a riot come next Friday - I hope they feed the gerbils.

Perhaps we should chip in for some extra energy food for the furry wee buggars, so they've got plenty of oomph to keep forum up and running! :D

[In the Drunk Tank]

Good comeback? Aaron fans have been using it since week 1.

:laugh:

[Vicky.]

Negative footage is fair enough. but its the way they have gone out of their way to twist things into always being Aaron in the wrong.

The stranded task is the prime example of this. They left the task room because of 2 things, one being Anton had AGREED(not shown on the HLs) to let Aaron out as he needed painkillers//then went back on his word just to spite Aaron/Faye, and the second being jem was going to walk out anyway because BB had upset her by revealing her real age(also not shown). After this, we had the conversation in the kitchen between Aaron and Jay...where Aaron said(on the FB clip) 'I just couldnt stay in there anymore because of my leg'...which on the HLs, became 'I just couldnt stay in there anymore'. Purposely cutting him off mid sentence. There is no reason at all to go to such lengths with the editing just to screw the whole story totally.

[Pyramid*]

..and look at what people call Louise...

'Boring'.

That's the point being made.

I think the connection you are failing to make is one that is of CONSISTENCY.

One or two random acts, outwith normal behaviour, doesn't justify her not being labelled boring. She is boring, and she is consistently boring.

Even some of the housemates were/ are /have been saying the same thing.

[MrWong]

..and look at what people call Louise...

'Boring'.

That's the point being made.

You think showing her throwing a ketchup bottle at Aaron's head would mean she's not boring?

[ButterflyGirl]

They hate Aaron because he isn't like thier golden boy and girl Alex and Jay, look who got the top prizes.

[MrWong]

I think the connection you are failing to make is one that is of CONSISTENCY.

One or two random acts, outwith normal behaviour, doesn't justify her not being labelled boring. She is boring, and she is consistently boring.

Even some of the housemates were/ are /have been saying the same thing.

The only 2 to have live feed (Anton & Jay) called her boring too and Alex was the most boring according to them.

[Pyramid*]

Negative footage is fair enough. but its the way they have gone out of their way to twist things into always being Aaron in the wrong.

The stranded task is the prime example of this. They left the task room because of 2 things, one being Anton had AGREED(not shown on the HLs) to let Aaron out as he needed painkillers//then went back on his word just to spite Aaron/Faye, and the second being jem was going to walk out anyway because BB had upset her by revealing her real age(also not shown). After this, we had the conversation in the kitchen between Aaron and Jay...where Aaron said(on the FB clip) 'I just couldnt stay in there anymore because of my leg'...which on the HLs, became 'I just couldnt stay in there anymore'. Purposely cutting him off mid sentence. There is no reason at all to go to such lengths with the editing just to screw the whole story totally.

and to use the same word again: BB have consistently been targetting Aaron with bad edits, manipulated to make him worse than he is - and conversely, the have consistently given Jay very good edits and hidden some of the most vile things - even to the point that housemates haven't even been allowed to discuss some of it - or rather - if they have, it's not been shown.

[Ammi]

I've been an Aaron fan from the beginning because of the complexity of his personality..he is flawed imo and has done a few things I've not liked particularly...but that doesn't make him 'nasty ' or 'manipulative' or comparing him to a wife abuser.....streuth...he may have helped a few situations along to his advantage...I think they all have...they all have interesting personality traits which they have 'played up' for the show..that doesn't make them 'false' people...... it's is a game...if Aaron is the 'gameplayer' as people say, well that's fine with me..but it doesn't mean that everything he does is part of that game..we've still got to see Aaron the person as well as Aaron the gameplayer and overall...I can't find anything to complain about.
I do agree with the OP..I haven't really complained much about his 'bias'...I see more and more Aaron fans everyday...without the bias he may have just got a place in the final, nothing more.....with the bias....he will win....

[Vicky.]

They hate Aaron because he isn't like thier golden boy and girl Alex and Jay, look who got the top prizes.

That was decided randomly. By the housemates, nowt to do with BB

[In the Drunk Tank]

and to use the same word again: BB have consistently been targetting Aaron with bad edits, manipulated to make him worse than he is - and conversely, the have consistently given Jay very good edits and hidden some of the most vile things - even to the point that housemates haven't even been allowed to discuss some of it - or rather - if they have, it's not been shown.

I disagree, Jay hasn't been getting good edits for weeks, they haven't tried to hide anything since the freezer incident

[Pyramid*]

I think the connection you are failing to make is one that is of CONSISTENCY.

One or two random acts, outwith normal behaviour, doesn't justify her not being labelled boring. She is boring, and she is consistently boring.

Even some of the housemates were/ are /have been saying the same thing.

The only 2 to have live feed (Anton & Jay) called her boring too and Alex was the most boring according to them.

Precisely. She is consistently boring. But re Alex: Jay and Anton only saw 2 days of live feed - and that could very well have been manipulated as well, to give the pair of them a false perception of how Alex is being regarded outside the house: which given that she's in the lead to win - appears to back this up.

[MrWong]

I disagree, Jay hasn't been getting good edits for weeks, they haven't tried to hide anything since the freezer incident

Not true.

There are clips online of housemates accusing Jay of being aggressive over the food and sulking in his bed for two days. Not shown on the highlights.

[lucyann]

****ting in the freezer???

Exactly.... Why was this hushed up? Why isn't he told not to wee in the pool, would any of us want to swim in the same water? there is a toilet right by the pool for goodness sake.

[Pyramid*]

I disagree, Jay hasn't been getting good edits for weeks, they haven't tried to hide anything since the freezer incident

Really?

Allhis love ins with Loobrush.

All the focus on his pathetic 5 year old attempts at 'love letters' and love messages?

Him making out that he thinks Aaron's a top bloke, considers him a mate now?

Him not banging on about not enough food anymore.

It's only been the last few days that we've seen Jay being the guy most of us loathe him for being - days, not weeks.

[Objectivegirl]

Just because they don't show every disguting thing he does doesn't mean they don't show any of it

C5 even have their daily rag going on about it :idc: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/playlist/view/218353/Big-Brother-2011-Fury-at-disgusting-Jay/

Yeah but none of his disgusting behaviour had been shown on the main programme until Rebeckah exposed it on BBBOTS (having fully expected it to have been shown in footage). That's when the BB team decided to run with it. The man is a neanderthal

[In the Drunk Tank]

Not true.

There are clips online of housemates accusing Jay of being aggressive over the food and sulking in his bed for two days. Not shown on the highlights.

We saw him punching a pillow twice over the food situation, and we've seen him do plenty of sulking and moaning over food, there was even pretty much a whole episode just showing him sulking that night where they all put the tape over their mouths to stop themselves talking, they made him look like a bit of a nutter

[Vicky.]

Precisely. She is consistently boring. But re Alex: Jay and Anton only saw 2 days of live feed - and that could very well have been manipulated as well, to give the pair of them a false perception of how Alex is being regarded outside the house: which given that she's in the lead to win - appears to back this up.

Yes, Jay and Antons LF was manipulated.

I know this because they were watching someone, and then the camera turned to Aaron and Faye kissing and they made a big deal out of not wanting to watch THAT (whilst antons eyes were out on stalks :laugh: )

They obviously didnt get to pick what they saw, and from the little bit of footage WE saw, it seemed the camera was on Aaron and Faye much more often than the others.

[vesavius]

You think showing her throwing a ketchup bottle at Aaron's head would mean she's not boring?

I feel you are deliberately misunderstanding me. :/

I don't think it would be a good act, but it would definitely show some spark or interesting side to her personality. It would get her talked about, it would create drama.

Fan of other HMs would criticise her, others would rise to defend her... Instead?

Nothing.

See where I am coming from?

[In the Drunk Tank]

Really?

Allhis love ins with Loobrush.

All the focus on his pathetic 5 year old attempts at 'love letters' and love messages?

Him making out that he thinks Aaron's a top bloke, considers him a mate now?

Him not banging on about not enough food anymore.

It's only been the last few days that we've seen Jay being the guy most of us loathe him for being - days, not weeks.

I refer you to the thread I made 2 or 3 weeks ago now: http://thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187826&highlight=

- His "contest" with Mark
- Shaving his ass
- Punching the pillow
- Pissing on Mark in the shower
- Saying he wanted to kick Harry's head in
- Talking derogatorily about women
- Getting ketchup over Harry’s clothes and denying it
- Stamping on banana’s
- His general anger about food

All stuff they showed that reflected negatively on Jay and since then we can add several more things as well

Yeah but none of his disgusting behaviour had been shown on the main programme until Rebeckah exposed it on BBBOTS (having fully expected it to have been shown in footage). That's when the BB team decided to run with it. The man is a neanderthal

Rebeckah didn't expose anything, she just said she'd nominate him over the "fisting thing" and that was back in week 2 anyway, so you're saying they've not covered anything up since then?

[vesavius]

I disagree, Jay hasn't been getting good edits for weeks, they haven't tried to hide anything since the freezer incident

Jay has become incredibly dull since his Wolfpack heyday, just as a side observation.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Jay has become incredibly dull since his Wolfpack heyday, just as a side observation.

Each to their own :idc:

[vesavius]

Each to their own :idc:

I am hurt that you don't care :bawling:

[vesavius]

I
I do agree with the OP..I haven't really complained much about his 'bias'...I see more and more Aaron fans everyday...without the bias he may have just got a place in the final, nothing more.....with the bias....he will win....

Yep, with the perceived 'bias' he definitely has a great chance.

Without it... Freddy.

[MrWong]

I feel you are deliberately misunderstanding me. :/

I don't think it would be a good act, but it would definitely show some spark or interesting side to her personality. It would get her talked about, it would create drama.

Fan of other HMs would criticise her, others would rise to defend her... Instead?

Nothing.

See where I am coming from?

Nope. Alex has barely been shown and she could win it.

We see a few minutes of her playing pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake with Tom on the highlights.

[Pyramid*]

I refer you to the thread I made 2 or 3 weeks ago now: http://thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187826&highlight=

- His "contest" with Mark
- Shaving his ass
- Punching the pillow
- Pissing on Mark in the shower
- Saying he wanted to kick Harry's head in
- Talking derogatorily about women
- Getting ketchup over Harry’s clothes and denying it
- Stamping on banana’s
- His general anger about food

All stuff they showed that reflected negatively on Jay and since then we can add several more things as well



Rebeckah didn't expose anything, she just said she'd nominate him over the "fisting thing" and that was back in week 2 anyway, so you're saying they've not covered anything up since then?


I'd rather deal with the vile things that have been covered up...... the freezer palava, the fisting thing, pissing in the pool, him being very aggressive and far more than it appears we have been shown.

the things you have mentioned above: in the vast majority, HAD to be shown - not because they involved JAY but because they were designed to show up other housemates.

- Shaving his ass BB thought this was amusing
- Punching the pillow this was designed to show how well he handled his aggression - and to show how ANGRY other housemates made him
- Pissing on Mark in the shower This was a byproduct of showing a convo by 2 other housemates in the forefront.
- Saying he wanted to kick Harry's head in Again, to put Harry in a bad light because Harry bought the bananas
- Talking derogatorily about women
- Getting ketchup over Harry’s clothes and denying it Designed to wind up Aaron and Harry and then Anton - Jay had to be shown.
- Stamping on banana’s
- His general anger about food Which he blamed on OTHER housemates - so it was a way of making out the others housemates were at fault for causing his anger

See...... it's all very subjective.

[Pyramid*]

Jay has become incredibly dull since his Wolfpack heyday, just as a side observation.

*Falls flat on floor, grabs smelling salts*

That's twice today I've agreed with you.

I hope someone is taking notes here!

:D

[vesavius]

Nope.

What a shocker :joker:

[vesavius]

*Falls flat on floor, grabs smelling salts*

That's twice today I've agreed with you.

I hope someone is taking notes here!

:D

You'll come around to the idea that I'm usually right soon Pyr :joker:

[Ammi]

They hate Aaron because he isn't like thier golden boy and girl Alex and Jay, look who got the top prizes.

That was nothing to do with BB....(although the whole twist was cr*p imo)....the problem with saying things like that are bias, when they obviously aren't is that when something really is...it's 'oh..here we go again........'
I personally thing BB has shown bias to other H.M's too..they haven't got such a negative response from BBOTS and OKTV though.....but I do think it's helped him gather more fans......surely a good thing in the end

[MrWong]

What a shocker :joker:

I guess it would be shocking, having your theory blown to bits.

[In the Drunk Tank]

I'd rather deal with the vile things that have been covered up...... the freezer palava, the fisting thing, pissing in the pool, him being very aggressive and far more than it appears we have been shown.

the things you have mentioned above: in the vast majority, HAD to be shown - not because they involved JAY but because they were designed to show up other housemates.

- Shaving his ass BB thought this was amusing
- Punching the pillow this was designed to show how well he handled his aggression - and to show how ANGRY other housemates made him
- Pissing on Mark in the shower This was a byproduct of showing a convo by 2 other housemates in the forefront.
- Saying he wanted to kick Harry's head in Again, to put Harry in a bad light because Harry bought the bananas
- Talking derogatorily about women
- Getting ketchup over Harry’s clothes and denying it Designed to wind up Aaron and Harry and then Anton - Jay had to be shown.
- Stamping on banana’s
- His general anger about food Which he blamed on OTHER housemates - so it was a way of making out the others housemates were at fault for causing his anger

See...... it's all very subjective.

Well with the freezer incident there'd be pretty clear implications that they would like to avoid; there would have been been a lot of controversy if it had been aired, it's a production nightmare, I'd imagine they just considered the best thing to do would be to sort the situation out and draw a line under it. And we still don't even know what this "fisting" thing is, probably just a disgusting story. They did show him pissing in a pool?

Anyway the point is that plenty has been shown for Jay to be considered quite disgusting just on the HL's alone, there has also been footage showing him angry, showing him in a strop, showing him falling out with other house mates etc. etc. The Desmond owned paper have even carried a story with the headline "Fury at disgusting Jay", they further often show his crude moments on BOTS and he's often criticised on there, Emma even said she'd be "scared" of him. I'm surprised there is still people arguing the "he's the chosen one" line tbh

[vesavius]

I guess it would be shocking, having your theory blown to bits.

And here I was thinking you didn't know how to be funny :joker:

[Vicky.]

I think theres a massive difference between showing negative footage that actually happened. And showing other footage that happened that is twisted by the editing into being negative for a certain housemate.

[Vicky.]

And here I was thinking you didn't know how to be funny :joker:

Well hes right though.

Going by your theory...how is Alex fave to win?

I mean, shes been pretty much edited out of the whole show until this week.

[Parmy]

Big Brother love Aaron, the show's pretty much revolved around him this year

I believe this as well, even last night with something as simple as aaron and jays "intelligent" conversations they have in the sauna showed aaron in a far better light as Jay..

Or Aaron in the swear task, he did well it has to be said even though I find it strange how these lies he told flew of his tongue so easily(had me thinking about all the other lies he's told and managed to not break stride) But it showed Jays negativity in his moaning and angst at aaron.

[In the Drunk Tank]

I think theres a massive difference between showing negative footage that actually happened. And showing other footage that happened that is twisted by the editing into being negative for a certain housemate.

Well I wasn't comparing Jay to Aaron, and besides that's happened too:

In the nominations a couple of weeks ago Jay went on for ages about not wanting to nominate because he couldn't think of anybody or any reasons, and asked to nom himself, BB edited that all out and just made him look ridiculously petty with his nominations for Tom and Jem about the food

And there's also the recent sauna conversations, they're edited to make Jay just look pretty stupid, it is funny but it's also inaccurate (edit - as parmnion's also mentioned above ^)

[MrWong]

Well hes right though.

Going by your theory...how is Alex fave to win?

I mean, shes been pretty much edited out of the whole show until this week.

Thanks Vicky. Doesn't happen often. :D

[Pyramid*]

You'll come around to the idea that I'm usually right soon Pyr :joker:

There's a nasty rumour that pigs can fly - I'd not believe that either if I was you. :D



Well with the freezer incident there'd be pretty clear implications that they would like to avoid; there would have been been a lot of controversy if it had been aired, it's a production nightmare, I'd imagine they just considered the best thing to do would be to sort the situation out and draw a line under it. And we still don't even know what this "fisting" thing is, probably just a disgusting story. They did show him pissing in a pool?

Anyway the point is that plenty has been shown for Jay to be considered quite disgusting just on the HL's alone, there has also been footage showing him angry, showing him in a strop, showing him falling out with other house mates etc. etc. The Desmond owned paper have even carried a story with the headline "Fury at disgusting Jay", they further often show his crude moments on BOTS and he's often criticised on there, Emma even said she'd be "scared" of him. I'm surprised there is still people arguing the "he's the chosen one" line tbh


The freezer incident was nothing to do with a production nightmare. It had all the reasons for the plug to be pulled on the entire show.

That's how much protection Jay was given - and still remained in the house.

Despite him threatning Harry - he was still kept in the house.

Despite him throwing Aarons luggage with clothes in it, into the pool - he was kept in,.

Despite him being aggressive often (which various hmates have discussed) he was kept in the house.

Despite him pissing on other housemates, he was kept in the house.

You see the pattern here.......

[Pyramid*]

Well I wasn't comparing Jay to Aaron, and besides that's happened too:

In the nominations a couple of weeks ago Jay went on for ages about not wanting to nominate because he couldn't think of anybody or any reasons, and asked to nom himself, BB edited that all out and just made him look ridiculously petty with his nominations for Tom and Jem about the food

And there's also the recent sauna conversations, they're edited to make Jay just look pretty stupid, it is funny but it's also inaccurate (edit - as parmnion's also mentioned above ^)

Oh come on now. Jay is pretty stupid.

To pretend he isn't, is nothing more than sheer denial.

[Vicky.]

Well I wasn't comparing Jay to Aaron, and besides that's happened too:

In the nominations a couple of weeks ago Jay went on for ages about not wanting to nominate because he couldn't think of anybody or any reasons, and asked to nom himself, BB edited that all out and just made him look ridiculously petty with his nominations for Tom and Jem about the food

And there's also the recent sauna conversations, they're edited to make Jay just look pretty stupid, it is funny but it's also inaccurate (edit - as parmnion's also mentioned above ^)

I didnt mean you, I meant in general :tongue:

[RodHull]

Has it not occured to you that if BB didn't include Aaron's negative behaviour in the main show, or talk about it on BOTS, and focused on his positive side that he would have received maybe 10% of the camera time he has and wouldn't be the HM you apparently love.

No it hasn't... Thing is about 75% of all the most interesting things which have happened this year (unless they deliberately left out more interesting events in the edit - which I doubt!) have either revolved around or included Aaron in some form. If they had decided not to show him, they wouldnt have had much footage to show, specially in those early weeks, it would just have been hours of footage of Aden rapping and crying while Anton and Jay sat around being total chauvanists.

Plus Freddie was a total nob, a funny nob who was difficult to hate, but a buffoon none the less. He is nothing like Aaron, not remotely. If anything the most similar person to Aaron from past BBs was Alex Sibley imo, except Aarons much more complex.

The only 2 to have live feed (Anton & Jay) called her boring too and Alex was the most boring according to them.

This has been quickly forgotten this whole crypt task by Aaron haters and Jay fans alike. During those days Jay & Anton insulted pretty much every HM including his beloved 'princess' calling her one of the most 'boring' HMs he looked pretty scathing when he said it as well. He insulted all of them, said how he was gonna raise hell with Anton when they went back in (that plan went well) Aaron by comparison barely put a foot wrong in that, they had to resort to using a convo that Jem had to use against him cause he didnt give them any ammo to shoot him down with - very unlike the usual edit which would have us believe hes some machiavellian mastermind manipulating the whole house :sleep:

I think theres a massive difference between showing negative footage that actually happened. And showing other footage that happened that is twisted by the editing into being negative for a certain housemate.

Indeed, I think they are all victims of editing for sure, but Aaron has been BB this year and C5 have essentially decided to use him as live bait for the public, they've done everything they can to demonise him. The most recent example being the fall out from the face to face noms. When they edited out Louise admitting she was not going to vote with the group either and made her out to be a selfless martyr and him a total ****ard.

[thesheriff443]

the confusion caused on this forum is many are watching bb in aaron vision!

[In the Drunk Tank]

The freezer incident was nothing to do with a production nightmare. It had all the reasons for the plug to be pulled on the entire show.

That's how much protection Jay was given - and still remained in the house.

Despite him threatning Harry - he was still kept in the house.

Despite him throwing Aarons luggage with clothes in it, into the pool - he was kept in,.

Despite him being aggressive often (which various hmates have discussed) he was kept in the house.

Despite him pissing on other housemates, he was kept in the house.

You see the pattern here.......

Well that's exactly why it was a nightmare for them, and I don't really want to enter into a different argument now about whether he should still be in there or not

Oh come on now. Jay is pretty stupid.

To pretend he isn't, is nothing more than sheer denial.

I'm not saying he's not stupid, but it's a fact that those sauna conversations are edited to make it look like they have nothing to talk about with Jay just saying something stupid

Like I said, it's hilarious but innaccurate

I didnt mean you, I meant in general :tongue:

Oh right, fair enough :blush:

[Pyramid*]

Well that's exactly why it was a nightmare for them, and I don't really want to enter into a different argument now about whether he should still be in there or not



I'm not saying he's not stupid, but it's a fact that those sauna conversations are edited to make it look like they have nothing to talk about with Jay just saying something stupid

Like I said, it's hilarious but innaccurate






Who's arguing. It's an incredibly reasonable topic for debate given all his behaviour that I listed earlier on.

The sauna incident did nothing: Jay has proven time and time again how thick he is, how stupid he is. BB and their edits don't have to do much to prove that - Jay's done that all on his own.

Jay HAS nothing to discuss with Aaron on an intellectual level: Jay as much as agreed when he said he was going to have 'deep intelligent discussions' with Aaron - and the best he could start off with was, "that Stephen Hawkins bloke thingy"....

He's out of his league, he knows it and so too do we all, BB showed him as he is -stupid.

[Pyramid*]

the confusion caused on this forum is many are watching bb in aaron vision!

It's quite fab isn't it. Aaron Vision - it's the way of the future.

:D

[In the Drunk Tank]

Who's arguing. It's an incredibly reasonable topic for debate given all his behaviour that I listed earlier on.

The sauna incident did nothing: Jay has proven time and time again how thick he is, how stupid he is. BB and their edits don't have to do much to prove that - Jay's done that all on his own.

Jay HAS nothing to discuss with Aaron on an intellectual level: Jay as much as agreed when he said he was going to have 'deep intelligent discussions' with Aaron - and the best he could start off with was, "that Stephen Hawkins bloke thingy"....

He's out of his league, he knows it and so too do we all, BB showed him as he is -stupid.

The discussion was whether he had favourable edits, not whether he should be kicked out, I'm too tired to have another debate. And that's what I mean about the sauna editing, they talked a lot more than was shown on the HL's

[Pyramid*]

The discussion was whether he had favourable edits, not whether he should be kicked out, I'm too tired to have another debate. And that's what I mean about the sauna editing, they talked a lot more than was shown on the HL's

That's correct, I am aware of what the thread is about - it's was infact about Aaron - not Jay, but ended up being about Jay.

It's unreasonable to expect a discussion to revolve around favourable edits or not without validating why edits have been favoured in respect of very clear rule breaks - because they are favouring a particular housemate.

Re the Sauna editing: there was no more to that than BB making light of what we already know: that Jay is pretty stupid. :conf:

[yay4shanghai]

They could concentrate on how quick witted he is. :elephant:

"Supposed victimisation"?

He's been called a pr!ck, a scumbag, a wank*r and an abusive husband on Sh!t On The Side. The main host told a fan he should be ashamed of himself for being a fan of Aaron and on OK!TV Jeff wotshisname keeps repeating ad nauseam that he hates Aaron.


That's the gamble you take when you go on reality telly.