Is Jay going off Louise?

[alex_front2]

I think Louise's initially beauty is beginning to wear off for Jay. He doesn't seem as beguiled by her any more (it started in the crypt when he admitted to Anton that she seemed really dull). Now he's criticised her for having hairy toes and hairy AND smelly arm pits.

As striking as she is, I am starting to really see why Louise is single. She's stunning, but she appears to have really poor hygiene, no boundaries (asking if she could poo on Jay) and is a bit odd.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Also her saying she wants to marry Jay constantly and telling him I adore you is not only cringworthy but a bit bunny boilerish......

[Ammi]

I wondered this when she was saying again last night she wanted to marry him....too eager and more than a bit unhinged..not what you look for in a gf....

[Cynical]

To be honest, for Jay i think it was just another notch on his bedpost. Also, to be able to do it in the BB house provides added "lad" incentives for Jay. I'd say she's probably sucked him off one or twice under the covers, and he's come to the conclusion that she's not worth the hassle.

[Mumbles]

He does seem to be geting irritated with her constant need for reassurance and her stupid comments. His attitude seems to have changed a bit since she got saved over Faye, so I'm wondering if it's maybe that he now sees her as a threat to him winning.

[chuff me dizzy]

Also her saying she wants to marry Jay constantly and telling him I adore you is not only cringworthy but a bit bunny boilerish......

He was telling her through his crocodile tears how much he will miss her in she was evicted last Friday ,but didnt go as far as to say" if you go i go ",Shes mentioned marriage ,but he also makes out the are the house Kate and Wills ,but never forget this is bloke who has had over 1,000 women :sleep::sleep::sleep: so clearly no respect whatsoever for them ,but we are supposed to believe this is true love? No I dont think so Mr Waggott the maggot

[chuff me dizzy]

He does seem to be geting irritated with her constant need for reassurance and her stupid comments. His attitude seems to have changed a bit since she got saved over Faye, so I'm wondering if it's maybe that he now sees her as a threat to him winning.

He heard her get cheers and was shocked imo, he thought he was the only one in there to get any

[alex_front2]

I do think Jay is weighing up his options now. He can stick with Louise - she's probably the best looking woman he's ever going to have - and cash in on the magazine deals. Or he can ditch her and make sure he gets to woman 1002 (I assume he's sh*gged Louise). Sadly he will have a gigantum number of women wanting to sleep with him when he's out eg the eviction crowd etc.

[Cherry Christmas]

I thought the convo in bed when she said "I got cheers" that Jay was slightly irritated by it, and he seemed keener to see what Aaron was doing on the other side of the room and get into the sauna with him..:joker:

[Pyramid*]

Could not agree more with every comment and view on here.

It's clear why Louise is single - she's far from 'normal' (in every sense of the word).

Jay is showing his true colours and now it's getting close to the end: he's happy enough he's managed to get (a) one of the house girls (b) the one regarded as the most beautiful (and the one that Aaron fancied the most). ;)

Now it's getting close to them all being out of the house: he's got her knickers as part of his 1000+ club, and he's readying himself for going out and doing as much 'damage' as he can.

He's fooling no one, certainly not me.

Neither too is Louise - I've said it since about week 2 that there was a reason she was single: it's painfully clear why. She's not right.

[RodHull]

To be honest, for Jay i think it was just another notch on his bedpost. Also, to be able to do it in the BB house provides added "lad" incentives for Jay. I'd say she's probably sucked him off one or twice under the covers, and he's come to the conclusion that she's not worth the hassle.

Jays a simple beast at heart, he has 'done' her now, and with that gone all they have left between them now is mind numbingly dull conversations and awkard silences. As much as Faaron was never going to work outside the house, they did have a spark and share similar humour that gave them something else to do when they werent getting off with each other.

Same cant be said for JayLoo who basically spend their time either doing the nasty or chatting about bodily functions.

Lets not forget he said Lou was one of the most boring HMs in the crypt and honestly I think he lost some respect for her when she yielded to his advances and opened her legs.

Although every fibre of him wanted to **** her, in reality he would have prefered she made him wait. Now shes just become another conquest in a long frankly depressing line.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I do think Jay is weighing up his options now. He can stick with Louise - she's probably the best looking woman he's ever going to have - and cash in on the magazine deals. Or he can ditch her and make sure he gets to woman 1002 (I assume he's sh*gged Louise).

I reckon he'll definitely stay with her to cash in on the magazine deals but he'll ditch her as soon as she's served her purpose

[alex_front2]

I do now believe that Jay has shagged 1000 women. Louise can have any man she wants - she shagged Jay even though she said there was no chemistry.

[Pyramid*]

Jays a simple beast at heart, he has 'done' her now, and with that gone all they have left between them now is mind numbingly dull conversations and awkard silences. As much as Faaron was never going to work outside the house, they did have a spark and share similar humour that gave them something else to do when they werent getting off with each other.

Same cant be said for JayLoo who basically spend their time either doing the nasty or chatting about bodily functions.

Lets not forget he said Lou was one of the most boring HMs in the crypt and honestly I think he lost some respect for her when she yielded to his advances and opened her legs.

Although every fibre of him wanted to **** her, in reality he would have prefered she made him wait. Now shes just become another conquest in a long frankly depressing line.

And given that she would do this on a national TV show: most men are happy to shag/get as far as they can with a woman who is happy to allow them to , but when they do it for the cameras, that's not the type of woman that they want to fall in love with and marry. ;) Even in these days of promisicuity.

[alex_front2]

It's clear why Louise is single - she's far from 'normal' (in every sense of the word).


Neither too is Louise - I've said it since about week 2 that there was a reason she was single: it's painfully clear why. She's not right.

I agree, Louise is a bit of an odd ball. And I don't mean that to be horrid, but Louise is a bit weird (hairy arm pits despite being a model, skid marks on knickers, liking poo smeared on pillow, general obsession with faecal matter etc). And like John James last year, when good looking people are odd it's harder to detect their weirdness. Bizarre people don't tend to be good looking so when they are, which Louise is (she's gorgeous) it's really surprising.

Louise doesn't look after herself. Why does she have hair under her arm pits. If a woman wants to be hirsuite then, erm OK but she's a model!!! :joker: Her looks are her trade.

[chuff me dizzy]

I do now believe that Jay has shagged 1000 women. Louise can have any man she wants - she shagged Jay even though she said there was no chemistry.

I think its utter bs ,hes fugly ,hes crude, he obnoxious

[karezza]

I think Louise is using Jay & will dump him in the blink of an eye.

[fruit_cake]

I think Jay can dish out the vulgarity but doesn't like it quite so much the other way around. Things seemed to me to have changed a bit when he said he wasn't 'in to that' after she said she'd poo on his head. It was like a line he wasn't willing to step over

[alex_front2]

And given that she would do this on a national TV show: most men are happy to shag/get as far as they can with a woman who is happy to allow them to , but when they do it for the cameras, that's not the type of woman that they want to fall in love with and marry. ;) Even in these days of promisicuity.

I agree, which is why men are generally more morallistic when it comes to sex on BB. They don't want to have a relationship with the kind of girl who has sex on TV.

BB5 Stuart was really reluctant to sleep with Michelle Bass who was more or less sexually harassing him to sleep with her. Jason from the same year chased Vanessa the South African but when she gave in he kind of lost interest before anything started and prefered to flirt with and be massaged by camp Dan.

BB10 single mum Sofia lusted after Kris and made it obvious she was sexually available, he got bored - men love a bit of a chase not an easy lay - and humilatingly ditched her moving on to Sophie Reade. A rejected Sofia walked out. Sophie pretended that she had sex with Kris, when he was evicted he was startled and annoyed but decided to go along with the lie and she had the nerve to get angry when he didn't correct her.

BB3 PJ didn't want to know Jade after she performed a sex act on him

BB6 Antony Hutton distanced himself after he romped with Makosi in the pool.

[Pyramid*]

I agree, Louise is a bit of an odd ball. And I don't mean that to be horrid, but Louise is a bit weird (hairy arm pits despite being a model, skid marks on knickers, liking poo smeared on pillow, general obsession with faecal matter etc). And like John James last year, when good looking people are odd it's harder to detect their weirdness. Bizarre people don't tend to be good looking so when they are, which Louise is (she's gorgeous) it's really surprising.

Louise doesn't look after herself. Why does she have hair under her arm pits. If a woman wants to be hirsuite then, erm OK but she's a model!!! :joker: Her looks are her trade.


Her looks are all she has. Given what we've seen, heard and observed from her behaviour in there: I'd say it's pretty obvious why she's got not quite got further than she has in her modelling / acting career.

She has a vocabulary of around 200 word at max. Has the most vile behaviour of any woman I have seen. Is happy to sleep with a man that only weeks ago, she declared she had no chemistry with, no connection, had nothing to say to him. In some respects, some would call that prostituting herself for her own gains...... ;)

Normal females do not behave or speak in the way she does. She is far from normal. Perhaps in the scat fetish corners of society she is regarded as normal, but not in the every day sections of regular every day folk.

[chuff me dizzy]

Her looks are all she has. Given what we've seen, heard and observed from her behaviour in there: I'd say it's pretty obvious why she's got quite got further than she has in her modelling / acting career.

She has a vocabulary of around 200 word at max. Has the most vile behaviour of any woman I have seen. Is happy to sleep with a man that only weeks ago, she declared she had no chemistry with, no connection, had nothing to say to him. In some respects, some would call that prostituting herself for her own gains...... ;)

Normal females do not behave or speak in the way she does. She is far from normal. Perhaps in the scat fetish corners of society she is regarded as normal, but not in the every day sections of regular every day folk.

I agree, no decent girl would go near Justin ,she made herself look a total tw@ when she said it was sexy him wiping his ass on her pillow ,and she would let him **** on her hair, what self respecting person would say such things? she looks cheap and dirty and earned herself no respect in there ,how can she face her Mum after saying things like this ?

[Pyramid*]

I think Jay can dish out the vulgarity but doesn't like it quite so much the other way around. Things seemed to me to have changed a bit when he said he wasn't 'in to that' after she said she'd poo on his head. It was like a line he wasn't willing to step over

As I said earlier: many men are happy to have such a woman as long as they are willing to 'put out' - but it's not the type of woman they actually want to spend any real quality life time with.

Men like Jay think it's fine for the man to be rude, crude and vulgar, but underneath it all: they still want the lady, the 'vestal virgin' type - or at the very least, a woman is knows how to act like a lady.

I reckon when they had the It's All White Task: when Aaron saw Faye dressed up, looking every inch a lady, and commented on him finding her looking quite 'racy' (I think was the term he used - because a package is so much nice when it's wrapped up very prettily)...... it's more enticing and then Aaron slow dancing romantically with her - I reckon that's when it hit home to Jay - that Louise will never EVER, be like that.

(IIRC, wasn't that one of the point when Jay started yet another rant about Aaron and Faye's relationship being 'false'). Jay was clearly being eaten up with jealousy - that his own relationship with the potty mouthed Louise, would never be viewed like that.

[fruit_cake]

If I were Louise I'd be happy to get rid of him without any problems. If he's gone of her, it's all good.

[alex_front2]

Louise's weirdness is actually one of the things I quite like about her. Not because I approve of her poo fetish, I don't it's vile, but because it is soo unexpected and makes her a bit more interesting, than just a generic bland glamour model.

I remember in week 1 she was all prim and proper. Not wanting to join the Wolfpack. Saying how 'normal' she was, how men never chat her up. Clinging to Aaron and Mark in week 1. She was like a northern Kate Middleton. It all makes sense now. She changed completely the week Maisy-Faye were up.

When Louise was talking about weddings in the diary room, and pooing on his head you could literally see the alarm bells going off in Jay's head. He will shag her (again) but clearly does not want anything really long term.

Louise herself admits she loves picking scabs, farting, pooing, picking her nose and eating it etc. Theres a clip on day 9 (the night Aaron was saved against Tashie) when Faye is trying to get to know Aaron and in the background you can clearly see Mark picking a happy Louise's nose. I remember as I was a rabid Mark fan and was a bit sickened but dismissed it at the time as a one-off.

[alex_front2]

I agree, no decent girl would go near Justin ,she made herself look a total tw@ when she said it was sexy him wiping his ass on her pillow ,and she would let him **** on her hair, what self respecting person would say such things? she looks cheap and dirty and earned herself no respect in there ,how can she face her Mum after saying things like this ?

Louise obviously has a faeces fetish and some odd submissive sexual needs :joker:

[Marmalite]

When Louise first walked into the house and went on about she's never had a one night stand, and will not have sex in the house, etc, etc - I thought OK a girl with morals and dignity good on you.

After seeing some of the clips and pictures floating around the internet I look at Louise and I think porn star. I would hate to know what would be found if someone did a little bit of digging.

[alex_front2]

When Louise first walked into the house and went on about she's never had a one night stand, and will not have sex in the house, etc, etc - I thought OK a girl with morals and dignity good on you.

After seeing some of the clips and pictures floating around the internet I look at Louise and I think porn star. I would hate to know what would be found if someone did a little bit of digging.

I know, in the first 3 weeks Louise was at pains to point out that she was a traditional girl - telling a panting Anton and Jay in the bed room 'I would never just sleep with a random guy, but when I am in a relationship I'd do anything for my man'. I didn't realise anything really meant anything! :joker:

[RodHull]

I agree, no decent girl would go near Justin ,she made herself look a total tw@ when she said it was sexy him wiping his ass on her pillow ,and she would let him **** on her hair, what self respecting person would say such things? she looks cheap and dirty and earned herself no respect in there ,how can she face her Mum after saying things like this ?

She has convinced herself that cause Jay gets cheers each week that the public must love his poo fetish and general grubbiness. And she has 'acted' accordingly. Little does she know that the pro-geordie crowd on eviction nights is not representative of the viewing public.

Louise's weirdness is actually one of the things I quite like about her. Not because I approve of her poo fetish, I don't it's vile, but because it is soo unexpected and makes her a bit more interesting, than just a generic bland glamour model.

I remember in week 1 she was all prim and proper. Not wanting to join the Wolfpack. Saying how 'normal' she was, how men never chat her up. Clinging to Aaron and Mark in week 1. She was like a northern Kate Middleton. It all makes sense now. She changed completely the week Maisy-Faye were up.

When Louise was talking about weddings in the diary room, and pooing on his head you could literally see the alarm bells going off in Jay's head. He will shag her (again) but clearly does not want anything really long term.

Louise herself admits she loves picking scabs, farting, pooing, picking her nose and eating it etc. Theres a clip on day 9 (the night Aaron was saved against Tashie) when Faye is trying to get to know Aaron and in the background you can clearly see Mark picking a happy Louise's nose. I remember as I was a rabid Mark fan and was a bit sickened but dismissed it at the time as a one-off.

Doesnt make her more or less interesting, it just confirms to me that she is a vile **** who will do anything to further her career and gain fame. Thats deeply unattractive imo.

As for the Faye Maisy thing, do you not remember it was basically her who slowly turned the wolfpack against them. She has been sly throughout the show, after she dumped Jay, Faarons relationship stepped up a notch and you could see her brain whirring away, that night she got herself tipsy and threw herself back into the part (literally) by draping herself all over him (oddly he never questioned the change of heart)

[Pyramid*]

If I were Louise I'd be happy to get rid of him without any problems. If he's gone of her, it's all good.

But this isn't about you. It's about Jay and Louise.

Louise obviously has a faeces fetish and some odd submissive sexual needs :joker:

There's something quite distrubing it all - and her really. Her parents must be so proud to see their beautiful looking daughter showing the world that beauty is indeed, only skin deep.

When Louise first walked into the house and went on about she's never had a one night stand, and will not have sex in the house, etc, etc - I thought OK a girl with morals and dignity good on you.

After seeing some of the clips and pictures floating around the internet I look at Louise and I think porn star. I would hate to know what would be found if someone did a little bit of digging.

I know, in the first 3 weeks Louise was at pains to point out that she was a traditional girl - telling a panting Anton and Jay in the bed room 'I would never just sleep with a random guy, but when I am in a relationship I'd do anything for my man'. I didn't realise anything really meant anything! :joker:

Couldn't agree more. all this nonsense about her having morals - she hasn't a clue what the word means (unsurprisingly).

I can see her having damaged any half decent modelling / acting career she ever had - and there being only one of a few very 'lurid' type roles being thrown her way when she comes out of the house.

Any half decent fashion house or respectable modelling agency will want nothing to do with her now.

[Mumbles]

Louise obviously has a faeces fetish and some odd submissive sexual needs :joker:

I think she's just telling Jay what she thinks he wants to hear, and getting it horribly wrong. He's obviously obsessed with bodily functions and expulsions, so she's pretending to have an interest in it all too. It's like some women going along to watch the footy with their boyfriends despite having no real interest in it.

[Marmalite]

I think she's just telling Jay what she thinks he wants to hear, and getting it horribly wrong. He's obviously obsessed with bodily functions and expulsions, so she's pretending to have an interest in it all too. It's like some women going along to watch the footy with their boyfriends despite having no real interest in it.



Yeah but Jay hates football so she went for the next best thing :joker:

[RodHull]

Perhaps hed prefer Pooball....

[LivT]

I think she's just telling Jay what she thinks he wants to hear, and getting it horribly wrong. He's obviously obsessed with bodily functions and expulsions, so she's pretending to have an interest in it all too. It's like some women going along to watch the footy with their boyfriends despite having no real interest in it.

In my opinion this disection of her character is spot on. I keep saying this, but she is feeble minded; this is evident to all. It's truly sad and a travesty that putting herself in the public eye will only have served to damage her career further.

[Mumbles]

Yeah but Jay hates football so she went for the next best thing :joker:

Good point. Perhaps we'd have been saved all this poo talk if only Jay had been into footy.

I do find it odd that as a Geordie Jay isn't into footy. I'm from Sunderland and I've yet to meet a Geordie who isn't part of the Toon Army, hates us Mackems and wants to kick my head in over it. :)

[Pyramid*]

I think she's just telling Jay what she thinks he wants to hear, and getting it horribly wrong. He's obviously obsessed with bodily functions and expulsions, so she's pretending to have an interest in it all too. It's like some women going along to watch the footy with their boyfriends despite having no real interest in it.

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/2/1/6/9/1/2/7/Door-Mats-11-27689512747.jpeg

Most normal men don't like doormats.

and like a doormat, one it's been trod on enough, once it's gotten as filthy as it can get, it's normally chucked out, in favour of a fresh, clean, more pleasant looking one.

[fruit_cake]

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/2/1/6/9/1/2/7/Door-Mats-11-27689512747.jpeg

Most normal men don't like doormats.

and like a doormat, one it's been trod on enough, once it's gotten as filthy as it can get, it's normally chucked out, in favour of a fresh, clean, more pleasant looking one.

do you speak for 'most normal men' then?

[alex_front2]

I think she's just telling Jay what she thinks he wants to hear, and getting it horribly wrong. He's obviously obsessed with bodily functions and expulsions, so she's pretending to have an interest in it all too. It's like some women going along to watch the footy with their boyfriends despite having no real interest in it.

No, disagree I do think Louise is into it. It's just that people don't like to think of women having fetishes or having perversions or sick interests. It really pees me off when people say women are only paedophiles because they go along with what their men do :conf::yuk: I think as woman have become more liberated and independent they have adopted some of the freedoms and therefore perversions that men have. Louise is a bit of a poo perv. If she wasn't surely she must know she's ruining any career she might have by lying? Louise (like Alex) doesn't always shower and had to be told by Jay to shave her armpits and her toes.

[Pyramid*]

do you speak for 'most normal men' then?

FC - stop being so antagonistic. I'll put my opinion over whichever way I want to.

Okay.

[Mumbles]

In my opinion this disection of her character is spot on. I keep saying this, but she is feeble minded; this is evident to all. It's truly sad and a travesty that putting herself in the public eye will only have served to damage her career further.

I think that what's sad is that whoever she ends up, be it Jay or someone else, they'll probably have no respect for her and treat her like crap because she has no respect for herself. Essentially, I don't think she's a bad person, she's just not very bright and is easily led. I suspect she'll end up with someone who wouldn't want her modelling anyway, so her career will be out of the window and she'll agree to that in some twisted belief that she's pleasing her man.

She needs to have an intensive course in feminisim with someone like Germain Greer and grow some (metaphorical) balls.

[alex_front2]

Good point. Perhaps we'd have been saved all this poo talk if only Jay had been into footy.

I do find it odd that as a Geordie Jay isn't into footy. I'm from Sunderland and I've yet to meet a Geordie who isn't part of the Toon Army, hates us Mackems and wants to kick my head in over it. :)

That really shocked me, and I always wondered why Aaron only talked footy with Mark and even Harry. I assumed Jay was a footy and fan supported Newcastle, surely. Not realising that he doesn't and that I have stereotyped him. When Aaron said his hobbies are footy, space and marine life I was pleasant;y surprised Jay seemed disinterested in footy and said they'd have sauna chat about space! He's obviously into superstitions and horoscopes which is unusual for a bloke like him, but again it makes him a bit more interesting than otherwise.

[Mumbles]

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/2/1/6/9/1/2/7/Door-Mats-11-27689512747.jpeg

Most normal men don't like doormats.

I think that's debatable. Some men like to be the one to wear the trousers, some like women to rule the roost and the sensible ones approach relationships like equal partnerships.

and like a doormat, one it's been trod on enough, once it's gotten as filthy as it can get, it's normally chucked out, in favour of a fresh, clean, more pleasant looking one.

i think this is likely what will happen to Louise.

[Pyramid*]

I think that what's sad is that whoever she ends up, be it Jay or someone else, they'll probably have no respect for her and treat her like crap because she has no respect for herself. Essentially, I don't think she's a bad person, she's just not very bright and is easily led. I suspect she'll end up with someone who wouldn't want her modelling anyway, so her career will be out of the window and she'll agree to that in some twisted belief that she's pleasing her man.

She needs to have an intensive course in feminisim with someone like Germain Greer and grow some (metaphorical) balls.

couldn't agree more - well said.

[fruit_cake]

FC - stop being so antagonistic. I'll put my opinion over whichever way I want to.

Okay.

it's not antagonistic, it's just that before it was 'most normal men' but now it's miraculously transformed into your opinion. Make your mind up please :bored:

[thesheriff443]

watch me poo!,lol

[Pyramid*]

I think that's debatable. Some men like to be the one to wear the trousers, some like women to rule the roost and the sensible ones approach relationships like equal partnerships.



i think this is likely what will happen to Louise.

There is a difference between who rules to roost - and who is the most dominating partner in the vast majority of relationships - and that comes from respect.

Anyone who allows themselves to be treated as a doormat however - that's a different ball game altogether: and no respect is founded on that.

[Mumbles]

No, disagree I do think Louise is into it. It's just that people don't like to think of women having fetishes or having perversions or sick interests. It really pees me off when people say women are only paedophiles because they go along with what their men do :conf::yuk: I think as woman have become more liberated and independent they have adopted some of the freedoms and therefore perversions that men have. Louise is a bit of a poo perv. If she wasn't surely she must know she's ruining any career she might have by lying?

I think we'll have to just disagree on this one. I think Louise is faking it, and knowing it may affect her career assumes a level of intelligence I don't think she has.

I have no problem with liberated women having fetishes - as humans we all have some fetish or other I think, men and women, and as I've said on another thread, I have no problem with couples exploring and fulfilling each other's sexual desires in a consensual manner, I just don't want to see or hear about them on tv.

[Pyramid*]

it's not antagonistic, it's just that before it was 'most normal men' but now it's miraculously transformed into your opinion. Make your mind up please :bored:

You seem to be forgetting once crucial aspect: it is MY opinion.

[alex_front2]

There is a difference between who rules to roost - and who is the most dominating partner in the vast majority of relationships - and that comes from respect.

Anyone who allows themselves to be treated as a doormat however - that's a different ball game altogether: and no respect is founded on that.

Obviously every couple has a different balance of power, but there does seem to be a growing couple fetish for dominant male partners BECAUSE of feminism.

[Mumbles]

There is a difference between who rules to roost - and who is the most dominating partner in the vast majority of relationships - and that comes from respect.

Anyone who allows themselves to be treated as a doormat however - that's a different ball game altogether: and no respect is founded on that.

I think we're just into semantics here, but actually agreeing.

[Pyramid*]

Obviously every couple has a different balance of power, but there does seem to be a growing couple fetish for dominant male partners BECAUSE of feminism.


I'd disagree that a 'growing couple fetish' is the correct terminology for a dominant male parter.

As for any connection with feminism, I'd say that was a whole different topic of discussion.

[Pyramid*]

I think we're just into semantics here, but actually agreeing.

Possibly - but I think it's important to distinguish between being allowing yourself to be treated like a doormat because it's what you think 'others' want you to act like: and the normal healthy balance between one partner being the dominant one.

[Mumbles]

That really shocked me, and I always wondered why Aaron only talked footy with Mark and even Harry. I assumed Jay was a footy and fan supported Newcastle, surely. Not realising that he doesn't and that I have stereotyped him. When Aaron said his hobbies are footy, space and marine life I was pleasant;y surprised Jay seemed disinterested in footy and said they'd have sauna chat about space! He's obviously into superstitions and horoscopes which is unusual for a bloke like him, but again it makes him a bit more interesting than otherwise.

Yes, in some respects it's avoiding the cliche of man = into footy, but speaking as a man from the North East it is a bit weird to have no interest in it at all. As I'm sure it is in other parts of the country to some extent or the other, football in the North East is totally integrated into the communities of each city, with quite fierce rivalries between them and life revolving around your chosen team. I'm not sure of Jay's background, but as I've never heard his father mentioned and him claiming to be a mummy's boy, I wonder if the lack of male role models in his life can account for his lack of interest in footy and his interests in horoscopes, etc.

[LivT]

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Most normal men don't like doormats.

and like a doormat, one it's been trod on enough, once it's gotten as filthy as it can get, it's normally chucked out, in favour of a fresh, clean, more pleasant looking one.

Correct!

And I also agree with Mumbles sentiments

Alex, you could possibly be correct in your assumption that Louise has fetishes. This doesn't deter from the fact that she hasn't the capabilities to understand that these matters aren't for public consumption. Again, like many things regarding Louise, it is yet another symptom of her simple nature.

[Mumbles]

Possibly - but I think it's important to distinguish between being allowing yourself to be treated like a doormat because it's what you think 'others' want you to act like: and the normal healthy balance between one partner being the dominant one.


I appreciate the difference, but allowing yourself to be dominated and being happy with that could be considered by others to be acting like a doormat. I guess it's not for us to judge other people's relationships in terms of what people are happy with, but personally I'd consider a balanced relationship to be one where the partners are equal without one being dominant, or to have such dominance if it is necesary, to vary depending on the different aspects of the relationship and not be totally one sided all the time.

[alex_front2]

I'd disagree that a 'growing couple fetish' is the correct terminology for a dominant male parter.

As for any connection with feminism, I'd say that was a whole different topic of discussion.

Read an article in the Gruaniad and then a show on Radio4 about how as women become more empowered outside of the bedroom (having kids later or non at all, not as interested in marriage or having to rely on men, having greater career advances, pay etc) has led to women becoming more submissive sexually and wanting a more dominant male partner to make them feel like women ie weak. I investigated this and was shocked at how many websites there were and documentary clips of feminist women on feminist sites saying things like 'I am a top executive, a ball breaker in my job, but I want to be sp*t ro*sted by my man and his college buddies'. I assumed these women were porn stars, but it turns out that they are real.:puzzled::conf2::yuk::shrug: Ultimately I do suspect an awful lot of women regardless of how powerful they may be do want to submit to men #feminismisdead. Louise is the tip of the iceberg.

[Pyramid*]

Correct!

And I also agree with Mumbles sentiments

Alex, you could possibly be correct in your assumption that Louise has fetishes. This doesn't deter from the fact that she hasn't the capabilities to understand that these matters aren't for public consumption. Again, like many things regarding Louise, it is yet another symptom of her simple nature.

Precisely. The nature of the word 'Fetish' is that it IS out of the oridinary, not for general conversation, and not of the norm that is expected in polite and mannered society


sexual attraction to objects, body parts, or situations not conventionally viewed as being sexual in nature.

[Kazanne]

I think Louise is just another piece of meat for Jay,sometime after they get out he will be looking for something fresh.

[Pyramid*]

I appreciate the difference, but allowing yourself to be dominated and being happy with that could be considered by others to be acting like a doormat. I guess it's not for us to judge other people's relationships in terms of what people are happy with, but personally I'd consider a balanced relationship to be one where the partners are equal without one being dominant, or to have such dominance if it is necesary, to vary depending on the different aspects of the relationship and not be totally one sided all the time.

I appreciate you know the difference.

As for 'us' judging. They are on a reality TV show - to be judged on their behaviour, so I'm quite happy judging their relationship based on how they are acting, behaving, talking.

They both put themselves on the show. If they didn't want to be judged, they shouldn't have gone in the house.

[alex_front2]

Yes, in some respects it's avoiding the cliche of man = into footy, but speaking as a man from the North East it is a bit weird to have no interest in it at all. As I'm sure it is in other parts of the country to some extent or the other, football in the North East is totally integrated into the communities of each city, with quite fierce rivalries between them and life revolving around your chosen team. I'm not sure of Jay's background, but as I've never heard his father mentioned and him claiming to be a mummy's boy, I wonder if the lack of male role models in his life can account for his lack of interest in footy and his interests in horoscopes, etc.

But early on in BBOTs Jamie East visited Jay's apartment and met his mates and they *seemed* like laddish footy types. Again, that's just my stereotyping. In London, football is increasingly unpopular with young inner city boys who are preferring basketball as their sport of choice.

[Pyramid*]

Read an article in the Gruaniad and then a show on Radio4 about how as women become more empowered outside of the bedroom (having kids later or non at all, not as interested in marriage or having to rely on men, having greater career advances, pay etc) has led to women becoming more submissive sexually and wanting a more dominant male partner to make them feel like women ie weak. I investigated this and was shocked at how many websites there were and documentary clips of feminist women on feminist sites saying things like 'I am a top executive, a ball breaker in my job, but I want to be sp*t ro*sted by my man and his college buddies'. I assumed these women were porn stars, but it turns out that they are real.:puzzled::conf2::yuk::shrug: Ultimately I do suspect an awful lot of women regardless of how powerful they may be do want to submit to men #feminismisdead. Louise is the tip of the iceberg.

I'd say that would be a very interesting debate to have - as studies have shown there is a shift in some women in the business world especially as powerful levels: but tbf, I think it's possibly a bit 'high brow' for the nature of this particular thread - ie: Is Jay going off Louise.

A reality show & how people act in a very false and enclosed environment, can't really be compared to real life, real jobs. I do think it would be a great topic for discussion though!

[Cherry Christmas]

I think Louise is just another piece of meat for Jay,sometime after they get out he will be looking for something fresh.

She could try defuzzing I suppose, that might keep him keen...:joker:

[Pyramid*]

She could try defuzzing I suppose, that might keep him keen...:joker:

She'd be in paradise using his arse razor to defuzz with !:devil:

[LivT]

Read an article in the Gruaniad and then a show on Radio4 about how as women become more empowered outside of the bedroom (having kids later or non at all, not as interested in marriage or having to rely on men, having greater career advances, pay etc) has led to women becoming more submissive sexually and wanting a more dominant male partner to make them feel like women ie weak. I investigated this and was shocked at how many websites there were and documentary clips of feminist women on feminist sites saying things like 'I am a top executive, a ball breaker in my job, but I want to be sp*t ro*sted by my man and his college buddies'. I assumed these women were porn stars, but it turns out that they are real.:puzzled::conf2::yuk::shrug: Ultimately I do suspect an awful lot of women regardless of how powerful they may be do want to submit to men #feminismisdead. Louise is the tip of the iceberg.


It is a misconception that the need to be submissive, in whatever regard (as it broaches many levels) means you are weak minded, unintelligent a doormat or that you are generally 'weird' It's just an inherent need that anyone ( even men) can have. For those with a professional background who's job may entail them to be dominant on a day to day basis may relish in some simple role-reversal. Its generally known to be quite cathartic. Lousie's type, in effect, just give submissive women a bad name, tarring them with the same proverbial brush

[alex_front2]

It is a misconception that the need to be submissive, in whatever regard (as it broaches many levels) means you are weak minded, unintelligent a doormat or that you are generally 'weird' It's just an inherent need that anyone ( even men) can have. For those with a professional background who's job may entail them to be dominant on a day to day basis may relish in some simple role-reversal. Its generally known to be quite cathartic. Lousie's type, in effect, just give submissive women a bad name, because then they are all tarred with the same brush

Have I hit a raw nerve LivT, :joker::thumbs::laugh::tongue:

PS: Louise is the poster girl for submissive women.

[LivT]

Have I hit a raw nerve LivT, :joker::thumbs::laugh::tongue:

Ahhh, well that is for me to know and for you to dream upon, Alex ;)

It is simple common sense to me, my friend

[Inkyfingers]

I think Louise's initially beauty is beginning to wear off for Jay. He doesn't seem as beguiled by her any more (it started in the crypt when he admitted to Anton that she seemed really dull). Now he's criticised her for having hairy toes and hairy AND smelly arm pits.

As striking as she is, I am starting to really see why Louise is single. She's stunning, but she appears to have really poor hygiene, no boundaries (asking if she could poo on Jay) and is a bit odd.

What, Jay criticising someone elses hygiene - oh come on, are we talking about the same person here??? :conf::nono::evilgrin:

[alex_front2]

What, Jay criticising someone elses hygiene - oh come on, are we talking about the same person here??? :conf::nono::evilgrin:

Jay I think is a bit more hygienic than Louise.

[Pyramid*]

Jay I think is a bit more hygienic than Louise.

Given freezer gate and him pissing on Mark: I'm not so sure!!

I do get the feeling though that bodily fluids excluded here: that Louise is a minging mare.

Everyone in the house just about has commented on how little cleaning up she's done in the house. I'd dread to see the state of her own flat far less be in close contact with her ...... :yuk:

the image I will never forget was her sitting on the sofa - eating cereal - then rolling onto one bum cheek, using one hand to hold the bowl, the other wafting away the smell of her farts - and then using the same hand to grab her spoon and continue eating again.

Vile mare.

[Kazelle]

He heard her get cheers and was shocked imo, he thought he was the only one in there to get any
I thought the same thing, his face was a picture! He didn't even break a smile.

I also thought the way he told her to stop kicking the table and the way he spoke to her in the diary room spoke volumes. He was embarassed by her.
If Aaron had done either of those things to Faye people would have been all over him, "abusive' and such.

I think with guys like Jay it's the thrill of the chase. Been there done that and now can brag to his mates that he pulled a stunner. In his eyes his street cred as zoomed so high he can't not win. I think he's bored with her now, she's shown the 'real" Louise who is actually pretty disgusting and his fantasy girl has vanished.

[alex_front2]

the image I will never forget was her sitting on the sofa - eating cereal - then rolling onto one bum cheek, using one hand to hold the bowl, the other wafting away the smell of her farts - and then using the same hand to grab her spoon and continue eating again.

Vile mare.

That was her best bit, that's when the penny dropped that Louise


isn't a normal girl
she isn't even a normal model
she's got the hygiene levels of Wynetta Slob


That was the moment she became 1% more interesting.

Also tellingly Jay bragged to Aaron of all people that he may have sh*gged Louise. Men who really like a woman never brag about them to their mates.

[Inkyfingers]

Jay I think is a bit more hygienic than Louise.

I know what you are getting at but I havent seen Louise wipe her backside across a pillow :shocked:. Sorry but I just can't stand the bloke.

[alex_front2]

I know what you are getting at but I havent seen Louise wipe her backside across a pillow :shocked:. Sorry but I just can't stand the bloke.

Don't get me wrong, it's well documented here that I am not a Jay fan. But Jay was doing it for a joke as vile as it is - Louise sanctioned it and thought it was 'the most romantic thing a man's ever done'. Even Jay was shocked by that. I would hate to live with Louise, she probably doesn't wash her fingers after she's been to the bog! :joker: No wonder she was the one most terrified of Kim Woodburn!

When Jay sniffed his fingers what did he mean by them smelling of like onions? :hugesmile::conf:

[Pyramid*]

That was her best bit, that's when the penny dropped that Louise


isn't a normal girl
she isn't even a normal model
she's got the hygiene levels of Wynetta Slob

That was the moment she became 1% more interesting.

Also tellingly Jay bragged to Aaron of all people that he may have sh*gged Louise. Men who really like a woman never brag about them to their mates.

yep I agree.

Re Jay and him hinting weeks ago about what he and Louise got upto (when Aaron mentioned about her getting drunk,and did Jay have any condoms)...... given Jay's sexual history: he knew then that she wasn't the sweet wee innocent soul she made out to be - and did what any guy would do with a woman like that: uses her - and why not, she allowed it.

As for Louise being dirty (as in unhygenic) - even Alex said in the diary room about Louise wearing bottoms (shorts/ trackies?) that Alex commented, "I don't think she's ever washed them".

That's from someone who that we've not heard bitching - and Alex is in there 24/7....... tells it's own story eh!

[Pyramid*]

Don't get me wrong, it's well documented here that I am not a Jay fan. But Jay was doing it for a joke as vile as it is - Louise sanctioned it and thought it was 'the most romantic thing a man's ever done'. Even Jay was shocked by that. I would hate to live with Louise, she probably doesn't wash her fingers after she's been to the bog! :joker: No wonder she was the one most terrified of Kim Woodburn!

When Jay sniffed his fingers what did he mean by them smelling of like onions? :hugesmile::conf:

TBF here, it was clear he meant from whatever antibacterial product he'd been using on them (as he commented on the stuff).

[Mumbles]

I appreciate you know the difference.

As for 'us' judging. They are on a reality TV show - to be judged on their behaviour, so I'm quite happy judging their relationship based on how they are acting, behaving, talking.

They both put themselves on the show. If they didn't want to be judged, they shouldn't have gone in the house.

Fair point. I was just talking more generally really and probably wandering off topic a bit.

[Pyramid*]

Fair point. I was just talking more generally really and probably wandering off topic a bit.

How very DARE you wander off topic .... you rebel you!! :D

I just watched Jay and Louise in bed - when she came away with "Jay, I got cheers".

I actually loved hearing Jay tell her "I KNOW Louise, I can hear you know, I was there"......

It was part pure annoyance, part anger, part realisation that she might be liked more than him, and part, "Shut up you stupid bint".

:D

[Mumbles]

But early on in BBOTs Jamie East visited Jay's apartment and met his mates and they *seemed* like laddish footy types. Again, that's just my stereotyping. In London, football is increasingly unpopular with young inner city boys who are preferring basketball as their sport of choice.

I think that's maybe part of the bubble bursting with football's popularity.

I'm guilty of stereotyping too with Jay, I just assumed he'd be a Newcastle fan because I've never met a Geordie who isn't, and also assumed the reason he'd not spoke about it was because he didn't want to alienate potential voters by declaring his team affiliations. I was genuinely shocked when he said he had no interest in football.

[LivT]

Or could his lack of interest in Football stem from it not revolving around drinking & sex?

Not to mention the lack of fridges in the stands! ;)

[Vicky.]

I think he might have noticed how much she changed when the money got put there :/

He's not as dim as he appears.

He does seem to be getting a little irritated by her recently...but maybe the 'honeymoon period' has just worn off? I dunno :laugh:

[Mumbles]

I also thought the way he told her to stop kicking the table and the way he spoke to her in the diary room spoke volumes. He was embarassed by her.

I think you're onto something here, he does seem embarassed by her, like he knows his mates will take the mick out of him for being with someone so stupid, regardless of how attractive she is.

[Mumbles]

How very DARE you wander off topic .... you rebel you!! :D

I just watched Jay and Louise in bed - when she came away with "Jay, I got cheers".

I actually loved hearing Jay tell her "I KNOW Louise, I can hear you know, I was there"......

It was part pure annoyance, part anger, part realisation that she might be liked more than him, and part, "Shut up you stupid bint".

:D


Yeah, that's me, rebel without a cause. :)

When Jay said that you could almost see his patience wearing thin with her. He does have anger management issues from what he's been saying though, I reckon it's taken all his self control while he's been in the house to not flip out and hit someone. Who knows, only a few days left but the whole Aaron/birthday present thing, on top of his growing impatience with Louise, and the prospect of half the expected prize money could get him to kick off.

[Beastie]

Louise is thinking of the magazine deals.

I think Louise and Jay will get them once they are out of the house. They have both made the final week. No one will give a toss about Aaron and Faye except for a few forum fanatics.

Louise and Jay will get a bigger magazine deal if they get married. A quickie in Las Vegas and a good magazine deal. Won't go to the heights of Chantelle's and Prestons marriage magazine deal worth 400K or whatever but they could make 100k? Or maybe people won't give a ****. Maybe 50K.

Louise and Jay are stunning on their own though. Louise will land a massive modelling deal. Jay will land a modelling deal.

I think Louise is just caught in the whirl wind romance. Maybe she is a bit delluded because yeah realistically she is not going to get the tons of money nowadays from a fauxmance. lol

[Beastie]

Yeah, that's me, rebel without a cause. :)

When Jay said that you could almost see his patience wearing thin with her. He does have anger management issues from what he's been saying though, I reckon it's taken all his self control while he's been in the house to not flip out and hit someone. Who knows, only a few days left but the whole Aaron/birthday present thing, on top of his growing impatience with Louise, and the prospect of half the expected prize money could get him to kick off.

Louise is a bloody bore and should come in bloody 5th place. I hope she goes this Thursday instead of Tom.

[Beastie]

He does seem to be geting irritated with her constant need for reassurance and her stupid comments. His attitude seems to have changed a bit since she got saved over Faye, so I'm wondering if it's maybe that he now sees her as a threat to him winning.

I think so. Their votes will split. Jay is very competitive and wants to win. If Louise went on Friday Jay would have had more chance of winning.

[Mumbles]

I think so. Their votes will split. Jay is very competitive and wants to win. If Louise went on Friday Jay would have had more chance of winning.

Yeah, I think he knows that too and is taking it out on her a bit.

[Kazelle]

Louise said she'd give money to her mum's church LOL

I'd love to see the look on those church goers faces if they're watching her behaviour in there.
Her mum must be so very proud:hugesmile:

[Inkyfingers]

Don't get me wrong, it's well documented here that I am not a Jay fan. But Jay was doing it for a joke as vile as it is - Louise sanctioned it and thought it was 'the mostghh romantic thing a man's ever done'. Even Jay was shocked by that. I would hate to live with Louise, she probably doesn't wash her fingers after she's been to the bog! :joker: No wonder she was the one most terrified of Kim Woodburn!

When Jay sniffed his fingers what did he mean by them smelling of like onions? :hugesmile::conf:

:shocked: Aaron or Alex to win. The others to come third, fourth and fifth.

[chuff me dizzy]

Louise said she'd give money to her mum's church LOL

I'd love to see the look on those church goers faces if they're watching her behaviour in there.
Her mum must be so very proud:hugesmile:

Shes a Saint is Louise"I would love Jay to **** in my hair"...."Its dead romantic that he wipes his ass on my pillow" ,Mothers church my ass !!! Io doubt her Mother dare go any more

[Pyramid*]

Louise said she'd give money to her mum's church LOL

I'd love to see the look on those church goers faces if they're watching her behaviour in there.
Her mum must be so very proud:hugesmile:

What Church is that?

The Church Of Bullsh*t???

[Pyramid*]

I think he might have noticed how much she changed when the money got put there :/

He's not as dim as he appears.

He does seem to be getting a little irritated by her recently...but maybe the 'honeymoon period' has just worn off? I dunno :laugh:

Now what's the standard length of time for infatuation to die out....oh...isn't it 9 and 1/2 weeks !!! :D

[dyfed]

Yes it looks like the honeymoon is over......

[the truth]

I can see through your endless pro aaron propoganda as you smear louise and jay with all this excrement. aaron has offered zero entertainment been totally selfish self obsessed uncommunicative stroppy and easily one of the most boring housemates ever. jay has his faults but theyre mostly superficial like his chavwear or belching a lot. but his qualities beneath that nonsense have outshone aarons and most others. jay has at leats tried to get on with everyone always asked how everyones doing, always been there to talk too, hes been a good comminicator. maybe the best way to support our faves is to say what we like about them and not endlessly smear the other contestants. Ill try if you try?

[Pyramid*]

I can see through your endless pro aaron propoganda as you smear louise and jay with all this excrement. aaron has offered zero entertainment been totally selfish self obsessed uncommunicative stroppy and easily one of the most boring housemates ever. jay has his faults but theyre mostly superficial like his chavwear or belching a lot. but his qualities beneath that nonsense have outshone aarons and most others. jay has at leats tried to get on with everyone always asked how everyones doing, always been there to talk too, hes been a good comminicator. maybe the best way to support our faves is to say what we like about them and not endlessly smear the other contestants. Ill try if you try?

Propoganda? !!! PROPOGANDA. :laugh2::laugh2:

It's a tv reality entertainment show and it's contestants we are discussing - not WW3. (Although the way things are going, it sometimes feels like it!! :D)

[Mumbles]

aaron has offered zero entertainment

Those who voted Aaron most entertaining would disagree with you on that I think.

[ButterflyGirl]

Relationships cannot be based soley on looks Jay and Louise will never last.

[eezamana]

I think that what's sad is that whoever she ends up, be it Jay or someone else, they'll probably have no respect for her and treat her like crap because she has no respect for herself. Essentially, I don't think she's a bad person, she's just not very bright and is easily led. I suspect she'll end up with someone who wouldn't want her modelling anyway, so her career will be out of the window and she'll agree to that in some twisted belief that she's pleasing her man.

She needs to have an intensive course in feminisim with someone like Germain Greer and grow some (metaphorical) balls.

I agree with this post, I fear for her if someone (not Justin Waggot:nono:) decent doesn't take her under their wing & educate her about having self respect, beauty & brains (they're not exclusive Louise, honestly)

[Pyramid*]

Relationships cannot be based soley on looks Jay and Louise will never last.

Be fair: as far as Louise goes, she bases it on looks and loving of sh*t and all things from the anus.

:devil:

[crocs]

This is OT but this thread reminded me of the good old days when the behavioral psychologists were there to talk about the housemates. I miss that so much but now I started thinking what would they say about the forum members. :joker:

[Pyramid*]

This is OT but this thread reminded me of the good old days when the behavioral psychologists were there to talk about the housemates. I miss that so much but now I started thinking what would they say about the forum members. :joker:

you really wouldn't want that..... internet access is so restricted in the looney bins these days: the forum would be dead - and we'd all be fighting in the smoking room ! :D

[crocs]

you really wouldn't want that..... internet access is so restricted in the looney bins these days: the forum would be dead - and we'd all be fighting in the smoking room ! :D

:D We'd smoke and shout one word sentences: "Manipulative!", "Submissive!" and maybe someone would dare to use two words "Sexually frustrated!"...

Anyhow, I noticed you were offline when I read your message. Best situational humour ever! ;) And now I need to go.

[Mumbles]

This is OT but this thread reminded me of the good old days when the behavioral psychologists were there to talk about the housemates. I miss that so much but now I started thinking what would they say about the forum members. :joker:

They'd never let us out of our padded cells ever again. :)

I miss the psychologists bits too. I miss loads of stuff from the early series really, what we have now is so far removed from the origins of BB. Where the original was based on Orwells brilliant 1984, latter series seem to be based on the kind of peurile nonsense Jordan churns out.

[Pyramid*]

:D We'd smoke and shout one word sentences: "Manipulative!", "Submissive!" and maybe someone would dare to use two words "Sexually frustrated!"...

Anyhow, I noticed you were offline when I read your message. Best situational humour ever! ;) And now I need to go.

:D

Sorry, I was in the smoking room, fighting some manipulating bastard for a shot of of the lighter, but they were being that yon passive aggressive way - that I told them where to shove their lighter. Oddly enough: they seemed rather delighted with the idea that I'd given them, they seemed strangely aroused in fact! :shocked:

*wanders off to the wee shop down the corridor to get a box of matches*

They'd never let us out of our padded cells ever again. :)

I miss the psychologists bits too. I miss loads of stuff from the early series really, what we have now is so far removed from the origins of BB. Where the original was based on Orwells brilliant 1984, latter series seem to be based on the kind of peurile nonsense Jordan churns out.

I do too..... :bawling:

[Marmalite]

I can see through your endless pro aaron propoganda as you smear louise and jay with all this excrement. aaron has offered zero entertainment been totally selfish self obsessed uncommunicative stroppy and easily one of the most boring housemates ever. jay has his faults but theyre mostly superficial like his chavwear or belching a lot. but his qualities beneath that nonsense have outshone aarons and most others. jay has at leats tried to get on with everyone always asked how everyones doing, always been there to talk too, hes been a good comminicator. maybe the best way to support our faves is to say what we like about them and not endlessly smear the other contestants. Ill try if you try?


What like your thread about the 10 reasons why Jay should win with half of them comparing him to Aaron and the rest slagging Aaron off?

*snigger*

[Bollo]

I hope not, I hope they stay together forever and elope to an island in the middle of nowhere so that I am never inflicted with the utter hideousness that is JayLou on my watchy box ever again