Present-gate - whose side are you on?

[headaball]

Post highlights poll to follow.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Wonder which way this will go :tongue:

Jay and Louise should have told Aaron that they were doing it but then he'd told the two of them that they can go ahead if they wanted and anyway Jay apologised to Aaron and explained himself but Aaron just refused to listen and put a downer on the whole night

[Vicky.]

I agree with Aaron. It was clearly done for the cameras.

However, I think he was blaming the wrong person. I think it was Lous idea and Jay just went along with it.

I also noticed Jay yet again saying if they were outside he would throw a table through the window... :bored:

[Florence N]

Agree with Aaron

[Suze]

I also agree with Aaron.

[Novo]

As if Jay & Louise aren't doing it for votes :joker: Aaron has them sussed out

[karezza]

Aaron. Jay & Louise are scum.

[Kazanne]

Aaron I would have been pissed off too,they tried to make him look bad.

[Jamsey]

I agree with Aaron but jay didnt come out nearly as bad as Louise, Jay may have done it out of spur of the momnent genrosity but Louise definatly had alternetive motives (as proved by her actions later on in the highlights)

[Daniel R]

I agree 100% with Aaron.

[King Gizzard]

Too.many.gates.

[StraightEdge695]

aaron was right...

[Jamsey]

Too.many.gates.

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[Cromwell1900]

No need for the reaction but he was probably right about it being a jesture to win votes. I think Lu was just overexited about giving a 500 quid gift to someone.

Not going to vote as i'm not sure what i am voting for.

[Angus]

Who, in their right minds, would spend £500 on two people they've known for a few weeks? I wouldn't spend that sort of money on anyone on such wasteful and pointless gifts as a pair of designer shoes and a watch. I'm sure Aaron would rather spend his money on his own flesh and blood, his son. I admire him for sticking to his guns, and if he had gone along with Jay and Louise I would have lost some respect for him.

[=Dan=]

Aaron

Im not really sure how you could be on Jay & Louise's side in this situation

[MachoPoodle]

Clearly Aaron was not in the right, no matter what their intentions were. He sat there saying they should go ahead with it on their own if they wanted and take all the glory or however he phrased it. He also claim to know why they did it, which he cannot be sure of.

[Jack_]

I'm an Aaron fan, and whilst it was great TV, I'm on Jay and Louise's side. It's their money and they can spend as much or as little of it as they like on whatever they want, who is Aaron to say that they're 'doing it for the cameras'? It's a nice deed, £500 out of £10,000 [or the amounts they currently] have is not a lot, and so I can totally see the reasoning behind the 'only here once' view.

Whilst I'd more than likely have never have spent that much, and would've been in agreement with Aaron [regarding principles], for him to say that they're playing up to the cameras when it's their own money is just stupid, totally stupid.

Regardless though, it made great TV. Kudos to Aaron and BB.

[thesheriff443]

you cant have it both ways,he did not want put any money in beacuse of his princibles!,
so he has got no right to be upset if they spent their money! even if he thinks its to win votes.

[Cherry Christmas]

Clearly Aaron was not in the right, no matter what their intentions were. He sat there saying they should go ahead with it on their own if they wanted and take all the glory or however he phrased it. He also claim to know why they did it, which he cannot be sure of.

He is within his rights to speculate, just as the rest of us are..

[karezza]

If Louise wasn't there Jay would never have spent £500 on a present. He knows Aaron is right.

[Novo]

All the teens on twitter crying about it and the best thing is they keep taking the bite from me

[Visage]

Aaron 100%


I know what £500 would mean to my daughter and sister and no way would I spend that kind of money on people I've only just met, especially when I know that once i was out of that house I wouldn't be bothering with them.

[thesheriff443]

jay deffended himself very well agaist aaron!,

[In the Drunk Tank]

I'm an Aaron fan, and whilst it was great TV, I'm on Jay and Louise's side. It's their money and they can spend as much or as little of it as they like on whatever they want, who is Aaron to say that they're 'doing it for the cameras'? It's a nice deed, £500 out of £10,000 [or the amounts they currently] have is not a lot, and so I can totally see the reasoning behind the 'only here once' view.

Whilst I'd more than likely have never have spent that much, and would've been in agreement with Aaron [regarding principles], for him to say that they're playing up to the cameras when it's their own money is just stupid, totally stupid.

Regardless though, it made great TV. Kudos to Aaron and BB.

:worship:

Aaron

Im not really sure how you could be on Jay & Louise's side in this situation

I feel the same about being on Aaron's side :puzzled:

[dyfed]

I absolutely agree with Aaron,I would have felt the same way,why didn't they tell Aaron before they went in the DR,it was plain to see they wanted to try to make Aaron look bad,not nice people...all they did was make themselves look sly and fake, did anyone notice how fast Louise was to tell them how much it cost.....no class.
Jay said, if he was in the outside world he would put one on him and put a chair through the window,Jay's comments should make BB aware of what could happen in there,Jay needs anger management soon...........

[Spring]

Aaron

[showtime77]

Although I agree with what Aaron said I don't care. Often when Aaron is unhappy with someone he steps away,stops speaking, isolates himself from them. It seems like the half wits in the house can't cope with it.Louise had to go on about the whole situation to Alex & Tom which was so uncalled for. If I have a disagreement with someone and they withdraw the way Aaron does I'm not going to give a ****** but they act like he is being a monster. Jay was saying some crap about if the were in the real world and someone had made him feel the way Aaron did about the presents he would beat him up. Really? Perhaps Jay has done some time then.

[Vicky.]

All the teens on twitter crying about it and the best thing is they keep taking the bite from me
:joker:

Yeah I'm finding it quite funny reading their crap. They are FOAMING :D

[Marmalite]

Jay possibly had a good chance of winning this show but Louise is ruining it for him!

For someone who's supposed to be so street wise and experienced with so many women he's being completely out-smarted by Louise.

Oh dear!

[PrincessIona]

Aaron, without a doubt

[LivT]

I'm staying neutral. I loathe Jay and Lou, but I am not sure there is an ulterior motive, question mark...hanging over their heads .... for a gesture that seemed genuine enough to me.

I can also see Aarons point of view; He has dependants he would naturally put first financially. However, he did tell the gruesome twosome to go ahead if they wanted to - but they should have warned him they had had a change of heart. He was left feeling abashed when Tom and Alex included him in their gratitude. I also feel that no matter what Aaron felt about it, he was very wrong to voice his accusations. He should have played safe and not gone past feeling aggrieved for being kept in the dark. This was justifiable...the rest, well that could not be proven. Dangerous territory, Aaron

Swings and roundabouts for me. I'm kind of feeling glad this series is drawing to an end. This lot have been hard work ! ;)

[MachoPoodle]

He is within his rights to speculate, just as the rest of us are..

Read what I wrote again. He didn't phrase it as speculation, he said to Jay that's what it looks like, then he went into the DR ad said it WAS the reason. Big difference from "I think/believe/etc". Not to mention he did it again when he saw the board and assumed he knew why Jay had done that and phrased it accordingly. That is the biggest problem with Aaron imo, his arrogance. Of course it puts people off.

[madbigbrofan]

Aaron is childish in the house. The most manipulative person ever on big brother . Don't care who wins as long as it not him:

[vesavius]

It obviously was done by Jay and Lou for the camera. Thats a given.

But Aaron's reaction to it has been disgusting.

He has actively gone out to ruin Alex and Tom's birthdays with yet ANOTHER selfish sulk, scared ****less that the cameras wouldnt be on him for 2 mins.

What a vile little tosser he is.

[In the Drunk Tank]

I'm staying neutral. I loathe Jay and Lou, but I am not sure there is an ulterior motive, question mark...hanging over their heads .... for a gesture that seemed genuine enough to me.

I can also see Aarons point of view; He has dependants he would naturally put first financially. However, he did tell the gruesome twosome to go ahead if they wanted to - but they should have warned him they had had a change of heart. He was left feeling abashed when Tom and Alex included him in their gratitude. I also feel that no matter what Aaron felt about it, he was very wrong to voice his accusations. He should have played safe and not gone past feeling aggrieved for being kept in the dark. This was justifiable...the rest, well that could not be proven. Dangerous territory, Aaron

Swings and roundabouts for me. I'm kind of feeling glad this series is drawing to an end. This lot have been hard work ! ;)

That's probably the most impartial view in this thread

[vesavius]

I absolutely agree with Aaron,I would have felt the same way,why didn't they tell Aaron before they went in the DR

He blatantly said no, he didn't want to do this in the DR visit beforehand.

Why are Aaron fans ignoring this fact?

What obligation did Jay and Lou have to re ask and convince him before going in again? Why does everyone have to pander to Aaron, walking on eggshells because of his emotional blackmail?

Whatever their motivation, Aaron's reaction has been unnacceptable, especially considering the two birthdays it has ruined.

[Marmalite]

Think about it for a minute. No matter what happens Jay has got 10,500 quid in his bank account and Louise has 4,000 but Aaron only had 990 quid. He's got a son, an ex wife and possibly a lot of bills to pay so why on earth would he agree to spend 1,000 on a present for 2 people he's only known for a couple of months?

He said a card and a cake fine but not excessive amounts of money that's just ridiculous and I agree with him. Yes he said to Louise and Jay you do what you want but they said no and they all walked out of the diary room. 10 minutes later Jay and Lou sneak back in and tell BB to go ahead and get the pressies. Why? Why didn't they tell Aaron and ask him if he wanted to contribute then if it was all in a good gesture? Why sneak off and not tell Aaron what they had done if it wasn't in the hope that they would look good to the public?

[Marmalite]

Think about it for a minute. No matter what happens Jay has got 10,500 quid in his bank account and Louise has 4,000 but Aaron only had 990 quid. He's got a son, an ex wife and possibly a lot of bills to pay so why on earth would he agree to spend 1,000 on a present for 2 people he's only known for a couple of months?

He said a card and a cake fine but not excessive amounts of money that's just ridiculous and I agree with him. Yes he said to Louise and Jay you do what you want but they said no and they all walked out of the diary room. 10 minutes later Jay and Lou sneak back in and tell BB to go ahead and get the pressies. Why? Why didn't they tell Aaron and ask him if he wanted to contribute then if it was all in a good gesture? Why sneak off and not tell Aaron what they had done if it wasn't in the hope that they would look good to the public?

[Dastardley]

I agree with Aaron 100%. This was Big Brother at it's best as far as I am concerned.....To witness two people's masks drop in one sweet hour show....Luvely!

I have been saying since day one that Jay and Louise are two of the most sly and conniving people in the house and after tonights skulduggery I have been proved right.

Let's not miss the point here....Jay and Louise as well as Aaron agreed on both occasions to decline when Big Brother offered them the opportunity to buy presents for Tom and Alex's birthdays in that Diary Room. Aaron may have been more vocal in his reasons for not buying a present BUT all three did agree NOT to buy a pressy for their fellow housemates. After a short period Jay and Louise decided to do a u-turn and buy a gift, without giving Aaron any opportunity to join them. Even after buying the gift Jay said he was 'gutted' at giving away 500 quid as he came into the bedroom with Louise....You could tell by his actions he didn't buy that gift out of the goodness of his heart toward his fellow housemates, he did it because he thought it would show him and Louise in a good light with the public and also to show Aaron in a bad way.....It backfired massively when Aaron told him he and Louise now looked bad in the eyes of the public doing what they did.....You could actually see Jay's face change when the realisation of his error of judgement sunk in....and how he and Louise had messed up big time.

As for Louise that little madam's true colours shone right through tonight, for someone who claims not to give a toss about the money she don't half mention it a lot! "Yeah Alex do you know those shoes cost 500 quid?"....."I don't care if I spent 500 quid, so what I have 10,000 anyway."...."Oh Alex, what did you say in the Diary Room....Did you mention the presents?.....Did you say they were nice?"

Yeah It all went tits up for the two sly ones tonight and I am over the moon......Two of the biggest fakes to ever enter the house.....That's Jay and Louise!

[Visage]

He blatantly said no, he didn't want to do this in the DR visit beforehand.

Why are Aaron fans ignoring this fact?

What obligation did Jay and Lou have to re ask and convince him before going in again? Why does everyone have to pander to Aaron, walking on eggshells because of his emotional blackmail?

Whatever their motivation, Aaron's reaction has been unnacceptable, especially considering the two birthdays it has ruined.

I agree with you, no one should pander to Aaron, but somethings bugging me with this, so if I missed something fair enough but here's what I thought happened.

He said no every time BB asked the question, but didn't Jay and Louise say no every time ?

They all came out together after not spending a penny right ? Or was there a scene where Jay & Louise gave the impression to Aaron that they might buy them gifts ?

[sexyb4ck]

big brother is the winner good call i hope they find more ways to play the money game its a good watch.

[Holly Christmas]

What are they saying on twitter about it? is it in Aarons favour or not?

[Dastardley]

Think about it for a minute. No matter what happens Jay has got 10,500 quid in his bank account and Louise has 4,000 but Aaron only had 990 quid. He's got a son, an ex wife and possibly a lot of bills to pay so why on earth would he agree to spend 1,000 on a present for 2 people he's only known for a couple of months?

He said a card and a cake fine but not excessive amounts of money that's just ridiculous and I agree with him. Yes he said to Louise and Jay you do what you want but they said no and they all walked out of the diary room. 10 minutes later Jay and Lou sneak back in and tell BB to go ahead and get the pressies. Why? Why didn't they tell Aaron and ask him if he wanted to contribute then if it was all in a good gesture? Why sneak off and not tell Aaron what they had done if it wasn't in the hope that they would look good to the public?

I agree, and why walk into the bedroom and say I can't believe i just did that...If the intention was genuine....They bought those gifts for two reasons only...One to curry favour with the public and two to try and show Aaron in a bad light.....Man how it back-fired! :hugesmile:

[joeysteele]

Aaron's because all 3 of them agreed and left the diary room originally stating they would not go that far to buying presents. Then Jay and Louise for some reason decided to go in alone not even saying they'd changed their mind to do so thereby totally excluding Aaron altogether despite them all in agreement originally.

Had I been there, I would have said I was willing to contribute to a present for Tom and Alex but not to that amount, if a more sensibly priced present wasn't forthcoming I would have said to Tom and Alex, that I would get them something once out of the house.

I think Aaron hit a raw nerve with Jay by saying the public would see it as trying to win votes for him and Louise, Jay knows that's right likely.

I wouldn't have kept away from Tom and Alex's party though.
Overall however, I think the prices of the items were ridiculous,only Tom's was a landmark birthday, (21), Anton had a birthday in there and he didn't get an expensive gift.

I think it's Jay and Louise who seem the schemers on this one, they knew Aaron was against pricey gifts, they then cut him out after agreeing with him and went to look good getting the gifts between them.
Louise harping on as to the cost of the gifts to Tom and Alex themselves stunk of desperation on her part. A poor show and unfortunate too at this stage of the series.

I was pleased to hear on bbbots that the poll as to what people would have spent on gifts for Tom and Alex came out with 63% saying nothing,so it seems the public back Aaron too on this one, however I think he should have still interacted at their party.

[Marmalite]

I agree with Aaron 100%. This was Big Brother at it's best as far as I am concerned.....To witness two people's masks drop in one sweet hour show....Luvely!

I have been saying since day one that Jay and Louise are two of the most sly and conniving people in the house and after tonights skulduggery I have been proved right.

Let's not miss the point here....Jay and Louise as well as Aaron agreed on both occasions to decline when Big Brother offered them the opportunity to buy presents for Tom and Alex's birthdays in that Diary Room. Aaron may have been more vocal in his reasons for not buying a present BUT all three did agree NOT to buy a pressy for their fellow housemates. After a short period Jay and Louise decided to do a u-turn and buy a gift, without giving Aaron any opportunity to join them. Even after buying the gift Jay said he was 'gutted' at giving away 500 quid as he came into the bedroom with Louise....You could tell by his actions he didn't buy that gift out of the goodness of his heart toward his fellow housemates, he did it because he thought it would show him and Louise in a good light with the public and also to show Aaron in a bad way.....It backfired massively when Aaron told him he and Louise now looked bad in the eyes of the public doing what they did.....You could actually see Jay's face change when the realisation of his error of judgement sunk in....and how he and Louise had messed up big time.

As for Louise that little madam's true colours shone right through tonight, for someone who claims not to give a toss about the money she don't half mention it a lot! "Yeah Alex do you know those shoes cost 500 quid?"....."I don't care if I spent 500 quid, so what I have 10,000 anyway."...."Oh Alex, what did you say in the Diary Room....Did you mention the presents?.....Did you say they were nice?"

Yeah It all went tits up for the two sly ones tonight and I am over the moon......Two of the biggest fakes to ever enter the house.....That's Jay and Louise!


Hi and welcome!


Yes, and I also noticed that BB decided to edit out the part of that discussion in the bedroom where Louise said "Alex had better appreciate this gift because she's right stingy with her stuff and never lets me borrow anything. I don't even have a pair of shoes like that so she better let me borrow her stuff now."

Yes, all done in a good gesture then!

[vesavius]

Aaron's because all 3 of them agreed and left the diary room originally stating they would not go that far to buying presents. Then Jay and Louise for some reason decided to go in alone not even saying they'd changed their mind to do so thereby totally excluding Aaron altogether despite them all in agreement originally..

Let me ask you...

Did you condemn or support Aaron when he betrayed his agreement to the group over the face to face noms?

Also...

What obligation did Jay and Lou have to convince Aaron to spend some money on Alex and Tom? Just because they changed their minds, why do you think it was their jobs to change his?

Also...

Whatever their motivations, do you think it was good and fair for Aaron to spoil two birthdays because he was pissed off that his rivals had stolen a move on him?

[thesheriff443]

aaron fans you cant talk about the presents!.between all you aaron fans you have spent tens of thousands of pounds of your own hard earned money on a stranger!

[vesavius]

aaron fans you cant talk about the presents!.between all you aaron fans you have spent tens of thousands of pounds of your own hard earned money on a stranger!

:joker:

[Dastardley]

He blatantly said no, he didn't want to do this in the DR visit beforehand.

Why are Aaron fans ignoring this fact?

What obligation did Jay and Lou have to re ask and convince him before going in again? Why does everyone have to pander to Aaron, walking on eggshells because of his emotional blackmail?

Whatever their motivation, Aaron's reaction has been unnacceptable, especially considering the two birthdays it has ruined.

From what I saw of tonights show, If the birthday party was ruined it was louise and Jay who ruined it....Aaron was sulking, but didn't create a fuss and never mentioned the shoes nor the watch.....Jay and louise on the other hand spent a great deal of time spouting to Tom and Alex about Aaron, the shoes, the watch, the 500 quid....and on and on....They had no concern for the birthday party at all....They were only concerned in getting their opions across to Tom and Alex and thus by proxy to us the public....Two of the most selfish and self centered individuals in the house......Ever!

[vesavius]

From what I saw of tonights show, If the birthday party was ruined it was louise and Jay who ruined it....Aaron was sulking, but didn't create a fuss

You don't seem to understand the nature of sulking, especially in a contained environment and a small group.

Ofc he ruined it.... intentionally.

[joeysteele]

Let me ask you...

Did you condemn or support Aaron when he betrayed his agreement to the group over the face to face noms?

Also...

What obligation did Jay and Lou have to convince Aaron to spend some money on Alex and Tom? Just because they changed their minds, why do you think it was their jobs to change his?

Also...

Whatever their motivations, do you think it was good and fair for Aaron to spoil two birthdays because he was pissed off that his rivals had stolen a move on him?

To the first, Aaron was going along with the noms, it was BB who stopped the process of the housemates deliberately nominating everyone the way they were, so they started the noms again, Aaron did indeed alter his noms after BB's intervention in the process, it was Louise who finally killed it though, had she nominated Tom or Alex all the housemates except Tom or Alex would have been up,Louise,(as the last to nominate), chose to nominate Faye so that meant only 2 people were up.

To the 2nd point, I think Jay and Louise could have gone to Aaron and said they wanted to change their minds, would he like to be involved in the contribution,(they had all 3 agreed not to just moments before). The fact they went and did it just themselves looked suspicious.

To the 3rd point, I agree with you, he should have interacted at the party and helped Tom and Alex have a really great time.

[Vicky.]

From what I saw of tonights show, If the birthday party was ruined it was louise and Jay who ruined it....Aaron was sulking, but didn't create a fuss and never mentioned the shoes nor the watch.....Jay and louise on the other hand spent a great deal of time spouting to Tom and Alex about Aaron, the shoes, the watch, the 500 quid....and on and on....They had no concern for the birthday party at all....They were only concerned in getting their opions across to Tom and Alex and thus by proxy to us the public....Two of the most selfish and self centered individuals in the house......Ever!

:thumbs:

Plus, what the HLs failed to show was Aaron actually joining in with the party. Odd that. They just focused on his tantrum.

[Brother Leon]

MTVN must of literally been a one man army vs the forum before. :joker:

I am on neither but if I got to chose then on Jay's team as he seemed the only to actually care that Alex and Toms bday was being ruined lol.

[Vicky.]

You don't seem to understand the nature of sulking, especially in a contained environment and a small group.


He went off on his own. Lou and Jay blew up infront of Alex and Tom, during the party.

Which would bother you more?

Someone going off on their own for a bit of a sulk...or someone going mental?

[In the Drunk Tank]

MTVN must of literally been a one man army vs the forum before. :joker:

I am on neither but if I got to chose then on Jay's team as he seemed the only to actually care that Alex and Toms bday was being ruined lol.

Haha nearly, it was awful during freezergate :bored:

[Rustic bauble]

Its not about whether Louise and Jay wanted to spend that money....at first they all agreed that was too much. Then Jay and Louise decided they would....and instead of discussing this with Aaron...went behind his back and did it anyway.
Aaron now believes that they were in agreement with him that 500.00 each was too much....but they changed their minds....without consulting Aaron and decided to do it....knowing full well this may make Aaron look bad but without thinking he would 'feel' bad and consequently leaving him out.
It was a mean thing to do.....teamwork when it suits them...I felt for Aaron tonight and cannot blame him for feeling let down.
Trying to make out it was Aaron that didnt want to spend that money...when in fact originally none of them did....it was sneaky and snidey.
This sort of behaviour makes me pick up the phone and support Aaron....more and more...

[Cromwell1900]

From what I saw of tonights show, If the birthday party was ruined it was louise and Jay who ruined it....Aaron was sulking, but didn't create a fuss and never mentioned the shoes nor the watch.....Jay and louise on the other hand spent a great deal of time spouting to Tom and Alex about Aaron, the shoes, the watch, the 500 quid....and on and on....They had no concern for the birthday party at all....They were only concerned in getting their opions across to Tom and Alex and thus by proxy to us the public....Two of the most selfish and self centered individuals in the house......Ever!

For the first time i think Jay has started to play a game, not neccesarily a BB game maybe the kind of game children play to get the attention of their parents, i guess that means weve all got ourselves 2 new bouncing baby boys to ween, Congrats!

But Aaron has been talking through the camera's to us since his walk & talk session alone in the garden, 3 or 4 weeks back. Again tonight he directly included us in his thoughts when he said "we know your feeling guilty"

He said Alex doesn't deserve to win this, which contradicts his previous comments after the face to face noms when he said she deserves to win this over Faye. It's a hard task to make a case for Jay being the most selfish of the two of them.

[thesheriff443]

aaron was upset beacuse he wanted to be in control!beacuse he decided buying the presents was wrong!,how dare jay and loo do what he has done! and made up there own mind what they wanted to do!, without asking aaron!

[Rustic bauble]

Also....the mere fact that Louise and Jay told Alex and Tom the price of their gifts another desire to make them look good....

[Dastardley]

You don't seem to understand the nature of sulking, especially in a contained environment and a small group.

Ofc he ruined it.... intentionally.

I'm a married man mate, believe me I understand the nature of sulking VERY well ;) and the effect it can have on a small group.....That said, been to many parties in my time and if you wanna party and have a good time you will....whether there is a 'sulker' present or not....Tom, Jay, Louise...Alex all party animals.....No way did Aaron disappearing out to the garden spoil the party.....Jay and Louise's constant whining about Aaron and the present buying did that.....Those two should have been happy, they bought beautiful gifts for their fellow housemates and were at a nice little party.....But they couldn't be happy, they couldn't enjoy the night.....Why? Because they had realised how conniving and selfish they had come across to the public....Aaron received their wrath because he pointed it out so succinctly to Jay.....had Aaron said nothing and still sulked....I assure you that party would still be bouncing right now and well into the night....:joker:

[Scotty07]

Aaron 100%


I know what £500 would mean to my daughter and sister and no way would I spend that kind of money on people I've only just met, especially when I know that once i was out of that house I wouldn't be bothering with them.

I find the fakeness sickening:yuk:. I don't believe for one minute they would've spent that amount of money a month from now, when the show is well and truly over.

[Samuel.]

:thumbs:

Plus, what the HLs failed to show was Aaron actually joining in with the party. Odd that. They just focused on his tantrum.

It's unforgivable that they left out his dancing.

[Cromwell1900]

Also....the mere fact that Louise and Jay told Alex and Tom the price of their gifts another desire to make them look good....

Either that or she wanted to engrasiate herself with Alex. I can still imagine Lu see's Alex as owing her a few grand.

[vesavius]

To the first, Aaron was going along with the noms, it was BB who stopped the process of the housemates deliberately nominating everyone the way they were, so they started the noms again, Aaron did indeed alter his noms.

ok, so you rationalise and support Aaron in that and yet you condemn Jay and Lou for not sticking to the 'agreement' in this new case in order to defend Aaron?

Sorry, but obvious double standard, as we see often from the Aaron support.

To the 2nd point, I think Jay and Louise could have gone to Aaron and said they wanted to change their minds, would he like to be involved in the contribution,(they had all 3 agreed not to just moments before). The fact they went and did it just themselves looked suspicious.

No, you missed my question.

What obligation did they have to convince Aaron to change his mind and spend a bit of money?

Why didn't Aaron approach them and suggest that they do so?

To the 3rd point, I agree with you, he should have interacted at the party and helped Tom and Alex have a really great time.

Agreed.

Instead he sulked, caused a bad atmosphere and ruined it.

Nice guy.

[Scotty07]

I'm a married man mate, believe me I understand the nature of sulking VERY well ;) and the effect it can have on a small group.....That said, been to many parties in my time and if you wanna party and have a good time you will....whether there is a 'sulker' present or not....Tom, Jay, Louise...Alex all party animals.....No way did Aaron disappearing out to the garden spoil the party.....Jay and Louise's constant whining about Aaron and the present buying did that.....Those two should have been happy, they bought beautiful gifts for their fellow housemates and were at a nice little party.....But they couldn't be happy, they couldn't enjoy the night.....Why? Because they had realised how conniving and selfish they had come across to the public....Aaron received their wrath because he pointed it out so succinctly to Jay.....had Aaron said nothing and still sulked....I assure you that party would still be bouncing right now and well into the night....:joker:

Well said, Dastardley.

[icecakes]

Jay got £15,000 lou £4,000 poor Aaron only got £990, why should he spend

£500 out of that, he might not get any more.

[Novo]

After tonight i am fairly certain that Aaron is the only honest one in the house, Aaron knows they won't say anything back to him because they all know he is a public favourite so they are careful what they say to him apart from the end of tonights episode where Jay lost it completely :joker: and showed his real self

[Vicky.]

After tonight i am fairly certain that Aaron is the only honest one in the house, Aaron knows they won't say anything back to him because they all know he is a public favourite so they are careful what they say to him apart from the end of tonights episode where Jay lost it completely :joker: and showed his real self

Jay even outright admitted that he wasnt being 'real' in the house :crazy:

Give em enough rope...

[Luke31]

Was totally for the camera's. they all said no in the diary room. but once out of there, they thought "hang on we can use this to our advantage" hence why Jay instead of saying it infront of Louise and Aaron, he decided to nod his head to tell Louise to follow him into the bathroom, where they could discuss it behind Aaron's back.

BB though was worse in all of this. tonight they edited out some very key moments. they decided to not show Louise and Jay complaining about how greedy Alex is with her stuff. and Louise saying if you do something nice, it comes back to you. "in the form of extra votes"

and obviously edited out Jay telling Aaron, that BB told them to not tell Aaron about it. clearly BB had their ammo.

[joeysteele]

ok, so you rationalise and support Aaron in that and yet you condemn Jay and Lou for not sticking to the 'agreement' in this new case in order to defend Aaron?

Sorry, but obvious double standard, as we see often from the Aaron support.



No, you missed my question.

What obligation did they have to convince Aaron to change his mind and spend a bit of money?

Why didn't Aaron approach them and suggest that they do so?



Agreed.

Instead he sulked, caused a bad atmosphere and ruined it.

Nice guy.

I have answered your points so have no intention of doing so again, there would be no point because like you towards me, I will never give the answer you want to see simply because I do not see things your way and you do not mine either.

You listed 3 points, I answered them fairly comprehensively, that is my take on them, yours is different but I did you the courtesy of answering your points while knowing full well the risk I was taking that you would come back in disagreement again.
That however is not my problem.

[jet]

Let me ask you...

Did you condemn or support Aaron when he betrayed his agreement to the group over the face to face noms?

Also...

What obligation did Jay and Lou have to convince Aaron to spend some money on Alex and Tom? Just because they changed their minds, why do you think it was their jobs to change his?

Also...

Whatever their motivations, do you think it was good and fair for Aaron to spoil two birthdays because he was pissed off that his rivals had stolen a move on him?

Great post. I don't see how anyone can in all honesty disagree with this.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Jay even outright admitted that he wasnt being 'real' in the house :crazy:

Give em enough rope...

I think people are misrepresenting that comment and taking it out of context, he was trying to say that things are completely different in there than they are in the real world where he wouldn't spend that much because he wouldn't have the means to do so

[Tourmaline]

From what I saw of tonights show, If the birthday party was ruined it was louise and Jay who ruined it....Aaron was sulking, but didn't create a fuss and never mentioned the shoes nor the watch.....Jay and louise on the other hand spent a great deal of time spouting to Tom and Alex about Aaron, the shoes, the watch, the 500 quid....and on and on....They had no concern for the birthday party at all....They were only concerned in getting their opions across to Tom and Alex and thus by proxy to us the public....Two of the most selfish and self centered individuals in the house......Ever!

This ^^

[Luke31]

I think people are misrepresenting that comment and taking it out of context, he was trying to say that things are completely different in there than they are in the real world where he wouldn't spend that much because he wouldn't have the means to do so

How did he manage to spend £55,000 on a car then?

[vesavius]

I have answered your points so have no intention if doing so again, there would be no point because like you towards me, I will never give the answer you want to see simply becasue I do not see things your way and you do not mine either.

I didn't ask you to answer them again... :conf:

The first answer you gave underlined completely my point of the double standards being how AGAIN in the defense of Aaron clearly. It requires no re-answering from you.

The second answer didn't answer my question at all and missed the point, as I said...so it wouldn't really be re-answering to reply according to the question... it would be just answering.

The third answer I agreed with completely. It again requires no more re-answering again from you

Despite what I didn't ask for though, I am still interested in a replyto the second point though, if you have time, which I assume you do because your here making statements to rationalise and support Aaron's corner.

[jet]

Jay even outright admitted that he wasnt being 'real' in the house :crazy:

Give em enough rope...

You forgot to mention his answer when asked why. Because he can't buy his won booze...because he can't go to the gym...because he can't fling something when he's angry...yeah, what a fake. :nono:

[Bluerang1]

Neither to be honest. Hate Aaron so yeah but that way too much to spend on a gift. Not for TV though, they just wanted to be nice.

[In the Drunk Tank]

How did he manage to spend £55,000 on a car then?

I dunno, we know nothing about the story or even if it's true or he made it up for the auditions, but I don't see the relevance of that comment; are you saying he must be loaded so spending £500 is no big deal?

[Vicky.]

You forgot to mention his answer when asked why. Because he can't buy his won booze...because he can't go to the gym...because he can't fling something when he's angry...yeah, what a fake. :nono:
Because he cant s**t in the kettle too. You forgot that one.

[MachoPoodle]

I think people are misrepresenting that comment and taking it out of context, he was trying to say that things are completely different in there than they are in the real world where he wouldn't spend that much because he wouldn't have the means to do so

That's how I interpreted what he said also. Especially since it's not exactly the first time he's talked about the difference between being in the house and normal life, he's been doing that all series.

I must say I'm not fond of how the use of the word "real" seem to have changed nowadays. It often sounds like it's the equivalent of someone behaving the same way always, no matter the situation or company. To me that's not being real, it's being a self centered prick.

[Dastardley]

Was totally for the camera's. they all said no in the diary room. but once out of there, they thought "hang on we can use this to our advantage" hence why Jay instead of saying it infront of Louise and Aaron, he decided to nod his head to tell Louise to follow him into the bathroom, where they could discuss it behind Aaron's back.

BB though was worse in all of this. tonight they edited out some very key moments. they decided to not show Louise and Jay complaining about how greedy Alex is with her stuff. and Louise saying if you do something nice, it comes back to you. "in the form of extra votes"

and obviously edited out Jay telling Aaron, that BB told them to not tell Aaron about it. clearly BB had their ammo.

BB would prefer either Jay or Louise to win, they would be hoping they would keep their 'relationship' going for the OK magazine spread and the TV interviews...plus the news footage of the two being spotted at the various clubs and nightspots.....Thus keeping the show in the headlines longer. I don't think Aaron or either of the other two winning would generate the same after show interest therefor it's in BB's best interests for either of the two 'wind machines' to win it.

[In the Drunk Tank]

That's how I interpreted what he said also. Especially since it's not exactly the first time he's talked about the difference between being in the house and normal life, he's been doing that all series.

I must say I'm not fond of how the use of the word "real" seem to have changed nowadays. It often sounds like it's the equivalent of someone behaving the same way always, no matter the situation or company. To me that's not being real, it's being a self centered prick.

Yeah that's a good point actually

[Jamsey]

No, you missed my question.

What obligation did they have to convince Aaron to change his mind and spend a bit of money?

Why didn't Aaron approach them and suggest that they do so?


You keep making this point and it does annoy me somewhat.

They have a social obligation, not to convince him to spend, but to WARN him that they are going to.

How would you feel if a brother/sister/friend turned up you a parents/friend's birthday with a £500 gift when you had all already agreed to spend say £10?

You would be totally justified in not spending the money but you would still feel guity and annoyed at the other person for not warning you first.

[joeysteele]

I didn't ask you to answer them again... :conf:

The first answer you gave underlined completely my point of the double standards being how AGAIN in the defense of Aaron clearly. It requires no re-answering from you.

The second answer didn't answer my question at all and missed the point, as I said...so it wouldn't really be re-answering to reply according to the question... it would be just answering.

The third answer I agreed with completely. It again requires no more re-answering again from you

Despite what I didn't ask for though, I am still interested in a replyto the second point though, if you have time, which I assume you do because your here making statements to rationalise and support Aaron's corner.

I will endeavour to try again but feel I am wasting me energy and time.

From my perspective, had I been Jay or Louise, all 3 of them had been called to the diary room to choose a gift for Tom and Alex,'all' 3 of them said the gifts presented were way too much and refused,then left the diary room.

Had I been one of the 3 and I felt I wanted to change my mind and get the gifts,I personally because all 3 of us were called to the diary room in the first place, I would have got the other 2 together and said I felt we should get the gifts.
That is the obligation I feel they owed to Aaron, he had no idea they had changed their minds and they did not give him the chance to change his mind by telling him that they had changed theirs.

Simple courtesy and since originally BB called all 3 to the diary room,that would have been the better course to take. In my opinion.

No double standards,had Aaron gone in and said he wanted to get the gifts and not consulted Jay and Louise as to his change of mind then I would have said that was equally wrong too.

This is not likely the answer you want or will accept but it's the only one I am going to give. Best to leave it there I think as we will never agree on very much I doubt.

[jet]

Also....the mere fact that Louise and Jay told Alex and Tom the price of their gifts another desire to make them look good....

NO, only Louise did that. Jay looked embarrassed. :hugesmile:

[the truth]

Let me ask you...

Did you condemn or support Aaron when he betrayed his agreement to the group over the face to face noms?

Also...

What obligation did Jay and Lou have to convince Aaron to spend some money on Alex and Tom? Just because they changed their minds, why do you think it was their jobs to change his?

Also...

Whatever their motivations, do you think it was good and fair for Aaron to spoil two birthdays because he was pissed off that his rivals had stolen a move on him?
what aaron did that night was sneaky and sly and it was virtually exactly the same as what louise and jay did to him tonight. i.e. agree with others to a deal then go back on your word at the last minute.

tonight I thought jay and louise especially did make a right horlicks out of what should have been a kind gesture. so in the end they looked a bit like prats. BUT that didnt necessarily make aaron look good. he too was a prat with his attitude and dragging yet another celebration into the gutter.

jay and louise have spent their own money the ONLY thing they did wrong was not consult aaron. that looked a bit silly. ok hed said no twice and told them to do what they liked but still I think they should have kept him informed, I would have through principle. ok they knew though as hed been in twice hed say no. but still

I think louise mentioning the £500 twice was cringeworthy and also aaron was bemused as tom thanked him. he could have easily told tom he hadnt contributed
I think all 3 looked prats in different ways .....louise mentioned the money didnt consult aaron - prat jay less so but didnt consult aaron and later lost his rag -prat
aaron endless pouting ruined yet another occasion and he should have ONLY really told jay off for not informing him, he had no real right to say the public would see them as a fake gesture. but aaron has throughout bitched about everyone direct to the public instead of to their face. but he lost hi srag tonight and crossed the line a bit. its not for him or anyone to say it was only for the public. maybe it was maybe it wasnt. maybe everything nice anyone does in there is for cameras? its big brother its articial reality. jays rant about chairs and windows was embarassing but also proved hes not preparing everything he says, he just says it.


BUT to prove I am a fair man overall Id say aaron came off best out of this situation. for once he pouted for a legitimate reason. trouble is when you cry wolf 50 times you lose credibility

after tonights fiasco Id say tom came out looking the best, again.

[Cromwell1900]

Jay even outright admitted that he wasnt being 'real' in the house :crazy:

Give em enough rope...

His unguardedness expressed a thousand words.

His honesty asside though, he's probably a no crap kind of guy on the outside and ready to use his fists if he deems neccessary.

[Tribal Spaceman]

It was incredibly rude of Jay and Louise to go back and agree to get gifts for Alex and Tom when they'd all agreed it was too expensive to do so and decided to leave it. They should have told Aaron what they were doing at the very least. And did you notice they were only too happy to tell them exactly how much they'd spent as well? If I had £900 and my fellow housemates had thousands I wouldn't have given that much away just because Big Brother asked me to. Aaron said he hasn't even spent that much on his son, and the look of shock on his face at the very notion of doing so said it all, really. Jay and Louise still have thousands left, they won't even notice it, but for Aaron it was a much bigger deal.

I think it's immoral to spend that much on shoes or watches, but that's a whole other discussion.

Also Aaron looks so HOT when he sulks. Haha

[vesavius]

They have a social obligation, not to convince him to spend, but to WARN him that they are going to.


The same 'social obligation' that says you should communicate honestly and clearly to the group you have made an agreed plan with before changing your part in that plan?

Please...

Inventing 'social obligations' for Jay/Lou while ignoring them for Aaron....

[Jamsey]

The same 'social obligation' that says you should communicate honestly and clearly to the group you have made an agreed plan with before changing your part in that plan?

Please...

Inventing 'social obligations' for Jay/Lou while ignoring them for Aaron....

Are you saying they did not have a social obligation to WARN him they were buying the presents?

Because they did.

[slickster24]

How is it a good deed? It was for votes

Think about it for 1 ducking second. They said they had no 10k before, well now they do. How many close friends and family do they have? Id say 20 easily. 20 people that they care for and love more than Alex Tom. Now if they leave and buy them those types of gifts then **** that's the 10k done for. will jay or Lou spend the 10 k on mates and family? Not a ****ing chance

Alex is a joke too with that modeling lie.

Anybody stop and think about that?

[Cromwell1900]

You keep making this point and it does annoy me somewhat.

They have a social obligation, not to convince him to spend, but to WARN him that they are going to.

How would you feel if a brother/sister/friend turned up you a parents/friend's birthday with a £500 gift when you had all already agreed to spend say £10?

You would be totally justified in not spending the money but you would still feel guity and annoyed at the other person for not warning you first.

This kind of all boils down to if you think Jay see's Aaron as a player. If Jay does then Social obligations be damned right? I'm pretty sure with all that's been going on over recent weeks there is plenty of reason for Jay to suspect Aaron's is a player. The correct thing was for Jay to tell him he's change his mind but being incorrect is a small crime when a game involving 50 grand is at stake.

[Jamsey]

This kind of all boils down to if you think Jay see's Aaron as a player. If Jay does then Social obligations be damned right? I'm pretty sure with all that's been going on over recent weeks there is plenty of reason for Jay to suspect Aaron's is a player. The correct thing was for Jay to tell him he's change his mind but being incorrect is a small crime when a game involving 50 grand is at stake.

Not sure what you are saying.

Just so you are aware i am having a discussion on one part of the present-gate saga and not the whole thing, so that may be why I don't understand.

[vesavius]

Are you saying they did not have a social obligation to WARN him they were buying the presents?

Because they did.

Ofc they didn't. Wheres the 'social obligation' that says that a person has to tell another person if they are buying a friend a present? Especially if the first person has said no already, repeatedly.

Aaron stated TWICE prior he didn't want to spend any of his money on Alex/Tom... Why on earth would anyone ask him a third time or include him in their plans... His feelings were clear.

Even if they had told him he probably would have said he felt 'emotionally blackmailed' but was going to 'stick by his principles' or some other victim drivel.

The end result wouldn't have changed. He still would have ruined the birthdays, simply for camera time.


Also, you avoided my question... I asked; The same 'social obligation' that says you should communicate honestly and clearly to the group you have made an agreed plan with before changing your part in that plan?

Why do you insist on 'social obligations' from others but not from Aaron?

[Jamsey]

Ofc they didn't. Wheres the 'social obligation' that says that a person has to tell another person if they are buying a friend a present? Especially if the first person has said no already, repeatedly.

Aaron stated TWICE prior he didn't want to spend any of his money on Alex/Tom... Why on earth would anyone ask him a third time or include him in their plans... His feelings were clear.

Even if they had told him he probably would have said he felt 'emotionally blackmailed' but was going to 'stick by his principles' or some other victim drivel.

The end result wouldn't have changed. He still would have ruined the birthdays, simply for camera time.


Also, you avoided my question... I asked; The same 'social obligation' that says you should communicate honestly and clearly to the group you have made an agreed plan with before changing your part in that plan?

Why do you insist on 'social obligations' from others but not from Aaron?

Both Jay and Louise agreed with him there not to spend any money, they should have told him when they decided to spend their money to avoid him feeling guilty or embarresed when they appeared with expensive gifts and he had nothing.

The example I gave aboves sums up what I meant very clearly.

As for what would have happend next, neither of us are mindreaders, so who knows?

I avoided your other question as;

A. I dont know what you are reffering too.
B. Even if I did I have a feeling it hasnt got much to do with our discussion.

I look foward to your reply, but I can't respond till tommorow, nighty night.

[the truth]

jay and louise made a few harmless misjudgements tonight. aaron though broke his word and a group agreement theyd all put each other up for nomination the previous week
he breaks the agreement without even telling them. that was disgraceful. that basically showed him to be a dishinest person. he of course manipulated it to try and look good. BUT all he had to do was tell the group before hand and not agree to the group voting in the first place.

[Cromwell1900]

Not sure what you are saying.

Just so you are aware i am having a discussion on one part of the present-gate saga and not the whole thing, so that may be why I don't understand.

Oh yes i realize that,

I just think Jay probably tried to gain the upperhand over Aaron on this one, perhaps because he see's Aaron as a Gameplayer.

Social Obligation's are for Social situations, and not to be aplied imo where two people are playing games with each other in BB.

[Tribal Spaceman]

Oh whatever. Aaron IS Big Brother this year.

[vesavius]

Aaron, 'If you two want to, carry on, you take the glory"

He actually gives them the go ahead and makes it extremely clear he doesn't want to get involved.

I have no idea why Aaronites are making out that it was then somehow sneaky of Jay and Lou to do exactly what he told them to do.

It is all just so clear, and yet it's still twisted and rationalised by the 'faithfull'.

[jet]

Both Jay and Louise agreed with him there not to spend any money, they should have told him when they decided to spend their money to avoid him feeling guilty or embarresed when they appeared with expensive gifts and he had nothing.

You forget that Aaron said to them in the DR to go ahead and buy gifts if they wanted the glory, but that he was out. That was a very cynical thing to say and after that Jay and Lou had no obligation to tell him anything.

Further...Aaron saw Jay and Lou go into the DR and he knew full well they had decided to buy the gifts because when they came out he shook his head and said 'silly people' under his breath.
If he was concerned about being embarrassed or felt guilty he could easily have approached them and decided to contribute his share or bought a gift of his own. But he decided not to - instead he twisted things to his own advantage to get camera time, sulk, and play the poor hard done by victim (again!)

[rk3388]

this is ridiculous. :rolleyes:
If aaron did it and jay and louise moaned all night about it and ruining tom and alexs birthday, people would be saying opposite.

People have to admit when their favourite is wrong really

[vesavius]

You forget that Aaron said to them in the DR to go ahead and buy gifts if they wanted the glory, but that he was out. That was a very cynical thing to say and after that Jay and Lou had no obligation to tell him anything.

Further...Aaron saw Jay and Lou go into the DR and he knew full well they had decided to buy the gifts because when they came out he shook his head and said 'silly people' under his breath.
If he was concerned about being embarrassed or felt guilty he could easily have approached them and decided to contribute his share or bought a gift of his own. But he decided not to - instead he twisted things to his own advantage to get camera time, sulk, and play the poor hard done by victim (again!)

Exactly.

[Jamsey]

Aaron, 'If you two want to, carry on, you take the glory"

He actually gives them the go ahead and makes it extremely clear he doesn't want to get involved.

I have no idea why Aaronites are making out that it was then somehow sneaky of Jay and Lou to do exactly what he told them to do.

It is all just so clear, and yet it's still twisted and rationalised by the 'faithfull'.

That was said at the offer of £1000 gifts AND Aaron was still sitting there after he said it, this would mean, if they had bought presents then and there he would definatly have known about it.

You forget that Aaron said to them in the DR to go ahead and buy gifts if they wanted the glory, but that he was out. That was a very cynical thing to say and after that Jay and Lou had no obligation to tell him anything.

Further...Aaron saw Jay and Lou go into the DR and he knew full well they had decided to buy the gifts because when they came out he shook his head and said 'silly people' under his breath.
If he was concerned about being embarrassed or felt guilty he could easily have approached them and decided to contribute his share or bought a gift of his own. But he decided not to - instead he twisted things to his own advantage to get camera time, sulk, and play the poor hard done by victim (again!)

As I said above, he said that in the first visit to the diary room which was a different situation in two ways.

I wasnt talking about whether or not Aaron knew they were going into the diary room or whether he wanted to buy or contribute to a gift (which he probably wouldnt have tbh) I was talking about Jay and Louise's social obligation (there it is again) to tell him they were buying the presents.

[fruit_cake]

I'm definitely on Aaron's side. I noticed that Alex and Tom had no problem accepting the gifts!

[Pyramid*]

100% Aaron.

Why? because all three of them were saying no - both times that they were called into the diary room.

One stuck to his principles. The other 2 saw an opportunity to try to win votes.

The fact that they then didn't even say to Aaron, "Look mate, we've changed our minds, I know all 3 of us said both times, no, but we are going to pick something to the value of £500"..... and give him the option- but nope: the pair of them sat at the table making out as though Aaron simply didn't agree with it right off...... what both Jay and Louise failed to mention was that THEY TOO said they weren't interested in the gift purchase, not once, but both times they were all called into the diary room.

[fruit_cake]

Louise is the worst of the three for me..her gameplan is so transparent no wonder she never says anything of interest

[Pyramid*]

Oh yes i realize that,

I just think Jay probably tried to gain the upperhand over Aaron on this one, perhaps because he see's Aaron as a Gameplayer.

Social Obligation's are for Social situations, and not to be aplied imo where two people are playing games with each other in BB.

And there was me thinking that the entire concept of Big Brother comes off the back of a SOCIAL experiment.

Silly me.

[Pyramid*]

Louise is the worst of the three for me..her gameplan is so transparent no wonder she never says anything of interest

FC - I never thought I'd see the day but I am in 100% agreement with you.

She was wetting herself to tell how much 'us two' had spent - and kept banging on about it all bloody night about £500 each.

Then was very manipulative in not mentioning that all 3 of them had said NO - not once, but twice in the diary room - and that she and Jay went behind Aaron's back to sneakily to in,having thought more about it - that it could work in their favour. Reality check Louise: it worked in Aaron's favour pet.

[Rawrbear]

Aaron new what they was doing calling them idiots kind of shows he knew they just bought the presents, and still he should not of been a P**** on Alex and Tom's Birthday

[BJ]

I'm on Aaron's side.

I think the way Jay and Louise, after discussing it in the bathroom, went straight in to speak to BB without telling Aaron was calculated and underhand.

[JTM45]

Aaron all the way!!!!

Everything he said about the whole debarcle was spot-on.
You could just see the realization appearing (very slowly) on Jay and Louise's faces when it was sinking in that Aaron had figured them out 100%.

Louise even said to Alex when her and Tom came back from the diary room "did they say that it was really nice of us to spend £500 on presents for you and Tom Alex ?"

So bloody transparent!!!!

[rSlavenx]

How anyone can take Aaron's side is beyond me. He was nothing but selfish, £500 out of £10,000 isn't much when he's lucky to have anything in the first place. What makes it worse is he's trying to twist the situation completely so he doesn't look bad.

[Cherry Christmas]

Louise even said to Alex when her and Tom came back from the diary room "did they say that it was really nice of us to spend £500 on presents for you and Tom Alex ?"

So bloody transparent!!!!

They were a bit gutted when Aaaron wasnt mentioned....:joker: what were they expecting...Big Brother to have a diary room rant about Aarons non participation...:devil:

[Pyramid*]

How anyone can take Aaron's side is beyond me. He was nothing but selfish, £500 out of £10,000 isn't much when he's lucky to have anything in the first place. What makes it worse is he's trying to twist the situation completely so he doesn't look bad.

Oh... I must have missed the bit where the housemates have actually been given this agreed £10k ... is it in their hip pockets/bank accounts yet? NOPE.

Any one of them can turn around and do what Jay and Louise did last night: ie: change their minds and not tell everyone that's involved that they have changed their mind. ;)

They have won NO money as yet. ;)

[JTM45]

How anyone can take Aaron's side is beyond me. He was nothing but selfish, £500 out of £10,000 isn't much when he's lucky to have anything in the first place. What makes it worse is he's trying to twist the situation completely so he doesn't look bad.

How can anyone not see what a lame attempt it was by Jay and Louise to garner favour from the viewing (and of course 'voting') public ?

Basically they all agreed it was ridiculous to spend £500 on them each but then, without even telling Aaron, Jay and Louise went back to the diary room and did it in a lame attempt to make themselves look like the 'lovely thoughtful couple' to the viewers and to Alex and Tom while making Aaron look like the selfish, spiteful one.............and you fell for it.:joker:

[G1dds]

Aaron all the way


edited to add: Jay/Loo imo, deliberately excluded Aaron from their reversed decision to make him look bad. Loo couldn't wait to tell Alex & Tom that her & jay spent £500 on each of them. _ I reckon that they thought BB would keep bringing them in with offers of presents for lower & lower amounts, and couldn't risk Aaron agreeing to buying one of them

[Pyramid*]

As for Jay saying "We came in with nothing, so it doesn't matter"

Funny that he didn't share the same sentiments when BB suggested gifts in the £1000 bracket eh!!

Suddenly he wasn't so assured of his "We came in with nothing, so it doesn't matter", train of thought when it was a grand they were asked to cough up.

What a two faced lying git he is - amongst all other things.
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[Roy Mars III]

BBUKLive Big Brother Live
1021: Aaron feels 'very disappointed in you [Jay] and Louise', and feels the 'whole situation was done very sneakily

Aaron telling them how it is right now.

[Pyramid*]

BBUKLive Big Brother Live
1021: Aaron feels 'very disappointed in you [Jay] and Louise', and feels the 'whole situation was done very sneakily

Aaron telling them how it is right now.


Posted this on another thread on same subject;


The crucial point that many who are slating Aaron appear to be missing is this:

The housemates agreed to split the money into £10k each.

Jay, Louise and Aaron all agreed not to spend money on the gifts.

Jay and Louise opted to break that agreement, to change their mind, without discussing it further with Aaron - despite them all agreeing.

Who therefore is to say that Jay and Louise will not do the same with the supposed agreement to equally share the £10k? Who is to say they wont' change their minds then.......without discussing this change of mind - despite them having agreed.

If anything - I'd say this puts them in an even worse light: that their word means nothing - and that there is every chance they will do the same regarding the agreed split on the £50k. ;) Why? Because both of them have now shown that a mutual group agreement means nothing and that they cannot be trusted as their word being their bond.

Own goal methinks !
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[fruit_cake]

FC - I never thought I'd see the day but I am in 100% agreement with you.

She was wetting herself to tell how much 'us two' had spent - and kept banging on about it all bloody night about £500 each.

Then was very manipulative in not mentioning that all 3 of them had said NO - not once, but twice in the diary room - and that she and Jay went behind Aaron's back to sneakily to in,having thought more about it - that it could work in their favour. Reality check Louise: it worked in Aaron's favour pet.

yup..I mis-judged Louise I think, I was a big fan for ages. It was because I felt she was a bit dull because she was shy.. now it seems to me to be the case that the minute she opens her mouth the whole world knows just how devious she is.

Louise needs to learn that in a closed mouth, flies don't get it!

[HBB1508]

I'm with Aaron on this one. Jay and Louise have shown their true colours and I thought this might happen once Faye left - they are going to try and exclude Aaron as much as they can to make him look bad imo. They are a nasty couple and I'm sure Alex will be able to afford her own designer shoes once she is out as imo there is no way she is going to share her £30k just as Jay and Louise won't share theirs.

[Pyramid*]

yup..I mis-judged Louise I think, I was a big fan for ages. It was because I felt she was a bit dull because she was shy.. now it seems to me to be the case that the minute she opens her mouth the whole world knows just how devious she is.

Louise needs to learn that in a closed mouth, flies don't get it!

but she likes sh*t remember, and we know what flies like too... :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

Aaron was 100% in the right ,he refuses to asslick for votes ,thats what makes him the only WORTHY winner,it showed as clear as day the reason behind doing it when the village idiot repeated over and over £500

[FILFUNGI]

100% Aaron in the right!

[Jedwardhater]

Aaron 100%


I know what £500 would mean to my daughter and sister and no way would I spend that kind of money on people I've only just met, especially when I know that once i was out of that house I wouldn't be bothering with them.

:worship:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Aarons for definite. I mean fair enough if Jay and Louise wanted to spend that stupid amount of money on people they don't even know that well, but A : I think if they had held off for a bit BB would have lowered the amount again and B : the 3 of them said no, If they had a change of heart they could have atleast told Aaron that and gave him the chance to be involved instead of sneaking off to the diary room behind his back and not even warning him

[Pyramid*]

The poll very much appears to be showing what many of us already knew: Aaron displays the behaviours that most of us hold in high regard.

[fruit_cake]

The poll very much appears to be showing what many of us already knew: Aaron displays the behaviours that most of us hold in high regard.

it's a very high responce too, around 200 voters so far so it's obviously a very important issue for people!

[ChristmasNeeve]

The poll very much appears to be showing what many of us already knew: Aaron displays the behaviours that most of us hold in high regard.

Exactly pyramid! Normal, everyday people would not spend that kind of money on birthday presents. Aaron is behaving how any of us would but is getting slated for it :bored:

[chuff me dizzy]

From official site ,Louise,Jay turn up the spite against Aaron http://apps.facebook.com/bigbrother-uk/article/Day-61-Present-gate-comes-to-a-head/

[fruit_cake]

Exactly pyramid! Normal, everyday people would not spend that kind of money on birthday presents. Aaron is behaving how any of us would but is getting slated for it :bored:

that's so true..! you've already managed to write down what I reckon many of us have only just got round to thinking there Niamh

[Pyramid*]

it's a very high responce too, around 200 voters so far so it's obviously a very important issue for people!

Exactly pyramid! Normal, everyday people would not spend that kind of money on birthday presents. Aaron is behaving how any of us would but is getting slated for it :bored:

Yep - given the amount of responses as you say FC, it's something that is important.

When the push comes to shove: people don't like back stabbers - and I have to say: it's quite heartening to see the poll going the way it is going.

And yep Niahm, I can say that with one exception only in my life - it's pretty normal to not spend that kind of money on one gift for a person you've only known 2 months - unless of course, you have millions in the bank. Far as I'm aware: most of us on here (and in the house) ...don't.

Kinda restored a wee bit of my faith seeing the poll going the way it is tbh.

[Pyramid*]

From official site ,Louise,Jay turn up the spite against Aaron http://apps.facebook.com/bigbrother-uk/article/Day-61-Present-gate-comes-to-a-head/


Long may they continue Chuff........ it will ensure they are booted out the door.

In fact, I'd kinda like Jay to be the first booted out: with Louise thinking she's onto a winner, and then her being announced as the next one out the door.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Exactly pyramid! Normal, everyday people would not spend that kind of money on birthday presents. Aaron is behaving how any of us would but is getting slated for it :bored:

Normal, everyday people don't get a free £10,000 from Big Brother though

[ChristmasNeeve]

Normal, everyday people don't get a free £10,000 from Big Brother though

Aaron has £990, he doesn't know whether or not Alex or Jay will stick to the agreement, I'd be pretty doubtful about it if I were him and even if does have £10000 why would he want to give hundreds of it away to relative strangers when he could be spending it on his son and his family?

[Pyramid*]

Normal, everyday people don't get a free £10,000 from Big Brother though

But they haven't got it. That's the point.

Jay and Louise have shown that their word is not their bond.

if they could break a group agreement for the sake of £500.... you don't think they will break their agreement when it comes to £000's!!

Come on MTVN...surely you can see why it puts them in a very dubious light as far as them sticking to verbal group agreements is concerned.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Aaron has £990, he doesn't know whether or not Alex or Jay will stick to the agreement, I'd be pretty doubtful about it if I were him and even if does have £10000 why would he want to give hundreds of it away to relative strangers when he could be spending it on his son and his family?

Well if he has trust issues then that's different but I think Jay had a point when he said they've come in here with nothing and now have 10k which isn't really their money, it's Big Brother's, why not spend a bit of it on making your housemates birthday more enjoyable when you're gonna be spending the day with them :shrug:

[In the Drunk Tank]

But they haven't got it. That's the point.

Jay and Louise have shown that their word is not their bond.

if they could break a group agreement for the sake of £500.... you don't think they will break their agreement when it comes to £000's!!

Come on MTVN...surely you can see why it puts them in a very dubious light as far as them sticking to verbal group agreements is concerned.

No not really and I don't particularly see much point in trying to draw comparisons between this and splitting the prize money, they didn't all sit down and swear on their mothers lives that none of them were going to buy a present, Aaron immediately ruled himself out before Jay and Louise and told them to go ahead if they wanted to.

That said, yes they should have told him but Aaron's reaction was a little over the top imo and Jay did try and apologise to him for it

[chuff me dizzy]

Long may they continue Chuff........ it will ensure they are booted out the door.

In fact, I'd kinda like Jay to be the first booted out: with Louise thinking she's onto a winner, and then her being announced as the next one out the door.

My dream too Jay out Thursday !!!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Well if he has trust issues then that's different but I think Jay had a point when he said they've come in here with nothing and now have 10k which isn't really their money, it's Big Brother's, why not spend a bit of it on making your housemates birthday more enjoyable when you're gonna be spending the day with them :shrug:

I don't think doubting whether or not people who you're not exactly close to and most likely will never socialize with again will hand you over £10000 when they don't have to, qualifies as having "trust issues" and of course it will be their money so why not spend it more wisely then on ridiculously over priced gifts for people who aren't even that important to you? :conf: If I won £10000 I wouldn't even buy myself shoes for £500, it's a sickening amount of money to waste on something like that imo.

[Pyramid*]

No not really and I don't particularly see much point in trying to draw comparisons between this and splitting the prize money, they didn't all sit down and swear on their mothers lives that none of them were going to buy a present, Aaron immediately ruled himself out before Jay and Louise and told them to go ahead if they wanted to.

That said, yes they should have told him but Aaron's reaction was a little over the top imo and Jay did try and apologise to him for it

I'm not saying I don't believe that you cannot see the comparison - I do find it hard that you don't however.

As for swearing on mothers lives: well after Anton - we saw how much that nugget means - and Jay didn't have any issue with Anton using the same promise when he knew Anton was lying.....

It's all semantics anyway: Jay's not going to win - so he can keep his £14, 500 - or £10k share if he doesnt decide to change his mind like he did in Giftgate.

[Patricia4]

Agree with Aaron

[MachoPoodle]

I don't think doubting whether or not people who you're not exactly close to and most likely will never socialize with again will hand you over £10000 when they don't have to, qualifies as having "trust issues" and of course it will be their money so why not spend it more wisely then on ridiculously over priced gifts for people who aren't even that important to you? :conf: If I won £10000 I wouldn't even buy myself shoes for £500, it's a sickening amount of money to waste on something like that imo.

It's not really about the money or the gifts, but about Aaron's absurd reaction. He needs to take some responsibility for what he say and do too, and he never seem to, just blame everyone else. In the DR he didn't exactly seem willing to discuss anything with Lou and Jay, he put on a silly display, he told them to go ahead by themselves if they wanted to etc He then went on to not even go halfway and accept or really listen to Jay's explanation/apology or whatever it was meant to be, but instead chose to insult the guy whom has been spending quite some time lately trying to get along with Aaron and put aside past differences. Not to mention the sheer audacity to say something like that (true or false) when he himself is putting on a display for the cameras whenever it suits him.

I don't like some aspects of how Lou and Jay handled it, despite being quite partial to them both most of the time, but it does matter that Aaron's strop is part 358 of his never ending soap opera 'Me, myself and I', and it's getting really, REALLY tiresome.

[jet]

It's not really about the money or the gifts, but about Aaron's absurd reaction. He needs to take some responsibility for what he say and do too, and he never seem to, just blame everyone else. In the DR he didn't exactly seem willing to discuss anything with Lou and Jay, he put on a silly display, he told them to go ahead by themselves if they wanted to etc He then went on to not even go halfway and accept or really listen to Jay's explanation/apology or whatever it was meant to be, but instead chose to insult the guy whom has been spending quite some time lately trying to get along with Aaron and put aside past differences. Not to mention the sheer audacity to say something like that (true or false) when he himself is putting on a display for the cameras whenever it suits him.

I don't like some aspects of how Lou and Jay handled it, despite being quite partial to them both most of the time, but it does matter that Aaron's strop is part 358 of his never ending soap opera 'Me, myself and I', and it's getting really, REALLY tiresome.

Yes, that.

[Pyramid*]

It's not really about the money or the gifts, but about Aaron's absurd reaction. He needs to take some responsibility for what he say and do too, and he never seem to, just blame everyone else. In the DR he didn't exactly seem willing to discuss anything with Lou and Jay, he put on a silly display, he told them to go ahead by themselves if they wanted to etc He then went on to not even go halfway and accept or really listen to Jay's explanation/apology or whatever it was meant to be, but instead chose to insult the guy whom has been spending quite some time lately trying to get along with Aaron and put aside past differences. Not to mention the sheer audacity to say something like that (true or false) when he himself is putting on a display for the cameras whenever it suits him.

I don't like some aspects of how Lou and Jay handled it, despite being quite partial to them both most of the time, but it does matter that Aaron's strop is part 358 of his never ending soap opera 'Me, myself and I', and it's getting really, REALLY tiresome.

Yes, that.

I think you will find that almost 70% of people on here disagree with you both - looking at the poll stats.

[twistedsista]

Louise couldn't wait to tell Alex and Tom how much those presents cost. She came across as vulgar. Is she so obsessed with Jay that she cannot think for herself any more? 'I'm not shady me' - well you were last night love. As for Jay - he completely misunderstood Aaron when he told him 'you are still real though' in response to Jay saying 'It's not real in here'.

With Aaron 100% of the way - as are most of the general public.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I totally agreed with Aaron lastnight, that was far to much money to spend on someone, that you have only known for 8 weeks.

Jay & Louise only did this for the cameras, also they Louise kept going on about the cost, was out of order.

[Kazanne]

Long may they continue Chuff........ it will ensure they are booted out the door.

In fact, I'd kinda like Jay to be the first booted out: with Louise thinking she's onto a winner, and then her being announced as the next one out the door.

Any ideas why the clip has now been removed?perhaps they need to do an editing job on it!!!

[In the Drunk Tank]

I don't think doubting whether or not people who you're not exactly close to and most likely will never socialize with again will hand you over £10000 when they don't have to, qualifies as having "trust issues" and of course it will be their money so why not spend it more wisely then on ridiculously over priced gifts for people who aren't even that important to you? :conf: If I won £10000 I wouldn't even buy myself shoes for £500, it's a sickening amount of money to waste on something like that imo.

Well maybe not trust issues exactly but being hesitant to trust them. And I think it was a spur of the moment kind of thing, I think Jay and Louise probably have few responsibilities in life and haven't had to be as careful with money as someone like Aaron who's been married, separated, had a kid etc. so they just suddenly saw they had a free 10k and thought "why not?"

[MachoPoodle]

I think you will find that almost 70% of people on here disagree with you both - looking at the poll stats.

And this matters why? There are a lot of Aaron fans on here, and only a handful seem to be able to be critical of anything he does ever. The same results with more of the level headed Aaronites and it'd be somewhat more relevant. I know there are some that go overboard in findng faults with him as well, but there's so few of them it doesn't really leave a ripple. I don't care how many disagrees, especially not in such a small pond as an online forum. It's not a very reasonable basis for changing one's opinion in a matter. Just completely fail to see what your above statement added to the discussion.

[MachoPoodle]

With Aaron 100% of the way - as are most of the general public.

And that's not in any way a sweeping assumption, you think? What do you base this on?

[Pyramid*]

And this matters why? There are a lot of Aaron fans on here, and only a handful seem to be able to be critical of anything he does ever. The same results with more of the level headed Aaronites and it'd be somewhat more relevant. I know there are some that go overboard in findng faults with him as well, but there's so few of them it doesn't really leave a ripple. I don't care how many disagrees, especially not in such a small pond as an online forum. It's not a very reasonable basis for changing one's opinion in a matter. Just completely fail to see what your above statement added to the discussion.


There are a lot of Aaron supporters - who were here, posting on this forum, long before BB12 started. It's not as though there was suddenly a call from of wild, through webland, asking Aaron supporters to find their way to Tibbs you know!

Many of us were already here, before Aaron was even a twinkle in BB12's eye.

I think you just lost your point.
:D

[Kazanne]

Aaron was 100% in the right ,he refuses to asslick for votes ,thats what makes him the only WORTHY winner,it showed as clear as day the reason behind doing it when the village idiot repeated over and over £500

Not a very good 'GAME' he's playing is it Chuff?otherwise he would have gone along with that to look good.:xyxwave:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Well maybe not trust issues exactly but being hesitant to trust them. And I think it was a spur of the moment kind of thing, I think Jay and Louise probably have few responsibilities in life and haven't had to be as careful with money as someone like Aaron who's been married, separated, had a kid etc. so they just suddenly saw they had a free 10k and thought "why not?"

I take your point on that, I do think that they handled it badly though, they really should have went up to him and said : look we really want to do this, If you want to be involved we're going to tell BB now. Atleast if Aaron had declined then he would be prepared for the gifts arriving and not feel like such a lemon

[MachoPoodle]

There are a lot of Aaron supporters - who were here, posting on this forum, long before BB12 started. It's not as though there was suddenly a call from of wild, through webland, asking Aaron supporters to find their way to Tibbs you know!

Many of us were already here, before Aaron was even a twinkle in BB12's eye.

I think you just lost your point.
:D

I think it's more a matter of you not getting what my point was.

[Pyramid*]

I think it's more a matter of you not getting what my point was.
Nah, I have to say: that my opinion is: you didn't have a point.

I see the scores are still getting higher.

That call of the wild seems to be gathering momentum eh!:joker:

[MachoPoodle]

Nah, I have to say: that my opinion is: you didn't have a point.

I see the scores are still getting higher.

That call of the wild seems to be gathering momentum eh!:joker:

*shakes head* This is getting silly. Can't you at least try to discuss w/o resorting to nonsense? Or are the laughing smileys your wolf pack?

[Wheazy04]

I'm on Aaron's side as I have been in a similar postion. Only it was we promised to only spend a £30 on a gift for a friend and a few of my friends went behind my back and spent over £100 each on this other friend and I know its not about how much you spend but you kinda look like a miser and a scrooge when someone does this!!! So I can kinda see where Aaron is coming from, However I didn't strop with the people or shouted about it I just felt a little upset. At the same time my situation wasn't in the BB house and I didn't only just know the person. I personally think Louise is the most sly one in this situation rather than Jay... the reason for this Jay didn't announce how much the presents were and does seem to be sorry about not clueing Aaron in on the change of mind!!!

[Cromwell1900]

And there was me thinking that the entire concept of Big Brother comes off the back of a SOCIAL experiment.

Silly me.

Your thinking of BB in it's first few years when it was a Social experiment. Where "playing the game" as Nick Bateman did was seen as villany. Things have changed more is the pity imo.

We are all aware this year in particular folk defend Hm's actions not in the context of normal social situations, but by the notion "It's a game" Are you declaring you view BB as a Social Experiment or as a Game Show?

Anton tries to get Aaron out - his fans say so what it's a game
Aaron manipulates people to nom a certain way - so what it's a game

Before anyone can expect Jay to treat Aaron with Social grace's you need to ask does Jay think Aaron is "gaming" if Yes then there is no Social Obligation to inform Aaron of anything, if No then the Social Obligation stands imo. The reason i say that is the decision to say no, i viewed as a joint decision made by all three.

The problem with the whole concept of BB being viewed as a game show, is someone will justify a behavior that they like as simply being part of the game, and then criticize a behavior they don't like as a social/morale Rule Brake. Present-gate highlights, and nutshells this quite vividly imo.

[Pyramid*]

*shakes head* This is getting silly. Can't you at least try to discuss w/o resorting to nonsense? Or are the laughing smileys your wolf pack?


I'll reply how I feel, as long as I don't resort to insulting members. That's kinda how the forum trundles along. ;)

[Pyramid*]

Your thinking of BB in it's first few years when it was a Social experiment. Where "playing the game" as Nick Bateman did was seen as villany. Things have changed more is the pity imo.

We are all aware this year in particular folk defend Hm's actions not in the context of normal social situations, but by the notion "It's a game" Are you declaring you view BB as a Social Experiment or as a Game Show?

Anton tries to get Aaron out - his fans say so what it's a game
Aaron manipulates people to nom a certain way - so what it's a game

Before anyone can expect Jay to treat Aaron with Social grace's you need to ask does Jay think Aaron is "gaming" if Yes then there is no Social Obligation to inform Aaron of anything, if No then the Social Obligation stands imo. The reason i say that is the decision to say no, i viewed as a joint decision made by all three.

The problem with the whole concept of BB being viewed as a game show, is someone will justify a behavior that they like as simply being part of the game, and then criticize a behavior they don't like as a social/morale Rule Brake. Present-gate highlights, and nutshells this quite vividly imo.


it still is very much a social concept. Otherwise it would defeat the purpose of housemates living in such confined quarters, and placed in such dilemmas which challenge social norms and socially accepted behaviourss. Game or not, all of that still remains.

[Dastardley]

Aaron all the way!!!!

Everything he said about the whole debarcle was spot-on.
You could just see the realization appearing (very slowly) on Jay and Louise's faces when it was sinking in that Aaron had figured them out 100%.

Louise even said to Alex when her and Tom came back from the diary room "did they say that it was really nice of us to spend £500 on presents for you and Tom Alex ?"

So bloody transparent!!!!

My thoughts exactly...Well said!

[Pyramid*]

Nice to see the Poll is still gaining in the right direction: sitting at just over 72% with 162 / 49/ 23.

Good stuff folks!

[Dastardley]

I'm on Aaron's side as I have been in a similar postion. Only it was we promised to only spend a £30 on a gift for a friend and a few of my friends went behind my back and spent over £100 each on this other friend and I know its not about how much you spend but you kinda look like a miser and a scrooge when someone does this!!! So I can kinda see where Aaron is coming from, However I didn't strop with the people or shouted about it I just felt a little upset. At the same time my situation wasn't in the BB house and I didn't only just know the person. I personally think Louise is the most sly one in this situation rather than Jay... the reason for this Jay didn't announce how much the presents were and does seem to be sorry about not clueing Aaron in on the change of mind!!!

The only thing Jay is sorry about is the fact that Aaron saw right through his and louise's 'presents for votes' scheme and stated so publicly for the viewers to hear.....The look on Jay's face said it all...when he realised how he and Louise would look to the public after Aaron's pointed it out to him. :dance:

[sandra floyd]

you are so right I agree with you, Aaron is a tiresome little weasel!!

[sandra floyd]

why do you defend this awful weasel, Aaron all the time, He's odious!!

[sandra floyd]

rubbish

[Vicky.]

Can I just add that in no way did Aaron wreck the party :laugh:

Alex and Tom werent even bothered about Aaron being off on his own, and I would think Jays big blowup in FRONT of them caused more of an atmosphere than Aaron having a little sulk in another room.

Also what the HLs failed to show was Aaron getting involved in the party, having a dance, and having fun.

[Pyramid*]

rubbish

Are you referring to your last two posts before this post above?

If so, I might just agree with you.

:D

[Pyramid*]

Can I just add that in no way did Aaron wreck the party :laugh:

Alex and Tom werent even bothered about Aaron being off on his own, and I would think Jays big blowup in FRONT of them caused more of an atmosphere than Aaron having a little sulk in another room.

Also what the HLs failed to show was Aaron getting involved in the party, having a dance, and having fun.

How right you are. How embarrassing for Alex and Tom - so much for Jay not wanting to ruin their birthday (as he said in the bedroom earlier on - didn't he say, "I'll tell yaaz the morra like, i'll not ruin yaar biifffday like"

typical hypocritical Jay though: says one thing, does another. he's been like that for weeks....no change there then eh!

[Suze]

*shakes head* This is getting silly. Can't you at least try to discuss w/o resorting to nonsense? Or are the laughing smileys your wolf pack?

What a rude post, I hope you feel you need to apologise to Mids for that.

[Pyramid*]

What a rude post, I hope you feel you need to apologise to Mids for that.

Ach not to worry Suze, it's only a wee poodle. :D

No harm done.

[MachoPoodle]

What a rude post, I hope you feel you need to apologise to Mids for that.

I certainly do not. There are different views on what is rude. Also pot/kettle, have seen several posts of yours I would call rude.