Jay's sexual dysphemism: I want to punch her lungs in

[alex_front2]

Is this a guy or Geordie saying for rampant sex with a woman or is it from Jay himself?

[Suze]

Was slightly coming round to not liking Jay, but thinking he was at least a worthy housemate in that he kept us talking about him. Now gone completely off him again, and hope he is evicted Thursday now. He seems nothing but an overrated disgusting, thug/lout.

[MeMyselfAndI]

What? He said that

[Mumbles]

It's not a phrase I've ever heard, and I've heard a lot of phrases for rampant sex.

[alex_front2]

He said it in week 1 when he was talking about all the women he slept with to Maisy. And I thought I misheard him

The he said it to Louise a couple of week's back when he was telling her how much he wanted to sleep with her. Then he said it on sofas last night HL show to a clearly horrified and disgusted Alex (Loo was there).

He used other vile dysphemisms to describe sex with women too, but I don't want to iterate them here. Aaron - who's clearly bit of a male feminist -was absolutely disgusted with the constant sexist sex talk and reported in DR what Jay was saying .

[Pyramid*]

Whoa whoa whoa ......

Let's play fair here folks.

As much as I myself had a toyful play on words...... he didn't say he was going to punch her lungs in.... not quite.

it was referring to him gagging for sex ... I'm sure I don't need to be explicit about what he meant.

I'm pretty sure it's not an uncommon phrase amongst men in describing pretty rampant sex..... was it a nice thing to say? No. Should he have said it to a woman? No, not imo.

I can't stand the guy, but let's not start tarring every Geordie with this kind of brush, let's play fair.

[chuff me dizzy]

Did you hear his vile sex talk on BBBOTS ? one of his chat up lines is "Do you want me to kick you in the ****" obviously Louise laughed and maybe thought it was "Dead romantic"

[alex_front2]

Whoa whoa whoa ......

Let's play fair here folks.

As much as I myself had a toyful play on words...... he didn't say he was going to punch her lungs in.... not quite.

it was referring to him gagging for sex ... I'm sure I don't need to be explicit about what he meant.

I'm pretty sure it's not an uncommon phrase amongst men in describing pretty rampant sex..... was it a nice thing to say? No. Should he have said it to a woman? No, not imo.

I can't stand the guy, but let's not start tarring every Geordie with this kind of brush, let's play fair.

Oh so that's OK then :hmph::shrug:

Your attitude to plead clemency for Jay beggers belief. There are loads of euphemisms to describe sex or a strong yearning for sex but Geordie Ronnie Kray likens sex with women in violent terms. Is Jay's mind so warped that he can't just say 'I really want to ***** XXXX' or simply 'I am gagging for a shag, way-eye' etc


It's unacceptable and he ought to be kicked out. It's on par with BB8 Emily Parr's racial comments (no pun) or Alex BB9's gun comments.

[Pyramid*]

Did you hear his vile sex talk on BBBOTS ? one of his chat up lines is "Do you want me to kick you in the ****" obviously Louise laughed and maybe thought it was "Dead romantic"

Oh so that's OK then :hmph::shrug:

Your attitude to plead clemency for Jay beggers belief. There are loads of euphemisms to describe sex or a strong yearning for sex but Geordie Ronnie Kray likens sex with women in violent terms. It's unacceptable and he ought to be kicked out. It's on par with BB8 Emily Parr's racial comments (no pun) or Alex BB9's gun comments.

It's well documented my thoughts on Jay. But I do object to the way in which this has been put over in the opening post in respect of that particular comment.

I happen to know Geordie lads, and they could not be further removed from the likes of Jay.

No I am not sticking up for Jay - as I say, it's well documented on here, but I'm damned if I'm not going to say something when it seems like it's being thrown out of all perspective - and in rather poor attempt at tarring Geordie men while at it.

[chuff me dizzy]

It's well documented my thoughts on Jay. But I do object to the way in which this has been put over in the opening post in respect of that particular comment.

I happen to know Geordie lads, and they could not be further removed from the likes of Jay.

No I am not sticking up for Jay - as I say, it's well documented on here, but I'm damned if I'm not going to say something when it seems like it's being thrown out of all perspective - and in rather poor attempt at tarring Geordie men while at it.

I agree ,im a northerner and this is nothing to do with "Up north" this is one thugs disrespect for women

[Pyramid*]

I agree ,im a northerner and this is nothing to do with "Up north" this is one thugs disrespect for women

That's more my point...... this is Jay. I have heard guys say it on nights out and I didn't like hearing it then either but to link it to any area and to infer it may be typical of Geordies / Glaswegians / Bristolians etc: that's not fair play at all.

[alex_front2]

It's well documented my thoughts on Jay. But I do object to the way in which this has been put over in the opening post in respect of that particular comment.

I happen to know Geordie lads, and they could not be further removed from the likes of Jay.

No I am not sticking up for Jay - as I say, it's well documented on here, but I'm damned if I'm not going to say something when it seems like it's being thrown out of all perspective - and in rather poor attempt at tarring Geordie men while at it.

I apologise, but I haven't heard this phrase for sex with a woman before and (for once) was trying to understand Jay and why Jay says it eg if it were a Newcastle saying then I'd be disgusted, but it wouldn't entirely be his fault ie he's a product of his local dialect.

[Mumbles]

There are loads of euphemisms to describe sex or a strong yearning for sex but Geordie Ronnie Kray likens sex with women in violent terms. Is Jay's mind so warped that he can't just say 'I really want to ***** XXXX' or simply 'I am gagging for a shag, way-eye' etc

This particular phrase, and others like them are the sort of things lads say when they're in the pub with their (male) mates. Jay's mistake, as it has been many times this series, is that he's failed to tailor his behaviour to the environment. There's lots of things I'm sure we all say when out with friends that we wouldn't repeat in other situations, and this appears to be a life lesson Jay is yet to learn.

It's unacceptable and he ought to be kicked out. It's on par with BB8 Emily Parr's racial comments (no pun) or Alex BB9's gun comments.

I'd rather this sort of thing was shown to the public (as it has been) and let them decide if it is aceptable behaviour or not through their votes.

[Mumbles]

That's more my point...... this is Jay. I have heard guys say it on nights out and I didn't like hearing it then either but to link it to any area and to infer it may be typical of Geordies / Glaswegians / Bristolians etc: that's not fair play at all.

Whle I wouldn't generalise so much as to say it's all Geordies, there does seem to be a prevailing attitude of appaling sexism from those Geordies who grace our screens in reality shows. I'm sure that's as much down to the producers picking stereotypes, but it does make you wonder why the stereotype of Geordies is this way.*


* I am of course biased against Geordies, being from Sunderland, but the endless stream of knuckle-dragging, sexist, shallow scum that passes for Geordie men gracing our screens on reality shows over the years does make me feel a bit vindicated in viewing Geordies in a negative light all these years. It's no wonder the decent people of Newcastle feel so ashamed whenever people like Jay or the cast of Geordie Shore show their city in such a bad light.

[alex_front2]

Added my bits in bold

This particular phrase, and others like them are the sort of things lads say when they're in the pub with their (male) mates. Jay's mistake, as it has been many times this series, is that he's failed to tailor his behaviour to the environment. There's lots of things I'm sure we all say when out with friends that we wouldn't repeat in other situations, and this appears to be a life lesson Jay is yet to learn.

But why should you be speaking disrespectfully about sex with women down the pub? Don't these men have mothers? It's like racism, is it OK if the race you are insulting is not present - see Carol Thatcher on One Show


I'd rather this sort of thing was shown to the public (as it has been) and let them decide if it is aceptable behaviour or not through their votes.

So someone can be racist, sexist, aggressive and we should decide if it is acceptale? Should this be applied to life. Someone makes a racial comment and if no-one complains then it's OK?????

[Pyramid*]

Whle I wouldn't generalise so much as to say it's all Geordies, there does seem to be a prevailing attitude of appaling sexism from those Geordies who grace our screens in reality shows. I'm sure that's as much down to the producers picking stereotypes, but it does make you wonder why the stereotype of Geordies is this way.*


* I am of course biased against Geordies, being from Sunderland, but the endless stream of knuckle-dragging, sexist, shallow scum that passes for Geordie men gracing our screens on reality shows over the years does make me feel a bit vindicated in viewing Geordies in a negative light all these years. It's no wonder the decent people of Newcastle feel so ashamed whenever people like Jay or the cast of Geordie Shore show their city in such a bad light.

In the same way that Scots are portrayed as skinflints.

In the same way that Irish are portrayed as drunkards.

In the same way that Welsh are portrayed as simpletons.

In the same way that Essex girls are regarded as slappers.

*none of which happens to be true btw!!*

It's a minority of a section: but it's still a stereotype - and there's nothing quite like drawing in viewers on such shows like Geordie Shores, TOWIE etc: and making out that this is what the average person is like from such places.

I agree it might be becoming more prevailant, but it's still pretty much in the minority (imo) and again, I think it's blinkered for anyone to associate all people from the one area, are the same (not saying you are doing that, not at all...... I'm sure you know what I mean!). I totally understand your own annoyance: hell.... you just have to look at the nutjob that have been Scottish who have been on BB... the majority of Scottish housemates have been embarrassments totally.

[Mumbles]

But why should you be speaking disrespectfully about sex with women down the pub? Don't these men have mothers? It's like racism, is it OK if the race you are insulting is not present - see Carol Thatcher on One Show

Ideally, nobody should be speaking disrespectfully about anyone, but we don't live in an ideal world, and I'm pretty sure that it's not just men that indulge in sexist banter when amongst their own. Most of british humour is based on being disrespectful, and talk like this is not intended to be hurtful (hence keeping it to the confines of the pub and not broadcasting it on TV) it's just meant to be funny, based on exaggerations and bravado.

So someone can be racist, sexist, aggressive and we should decide if it is acceptale? Should this be applied to life. Someone makes a racial comment and if no-one complains then it's OK?????

It could be argued that no harm no foul. With broadcastng it on tv the chances of no harm (or at least no offence) can't be predicted so there are regulations in place to stop the broadcast of such things, or at least punish those who do broadcast such things. Applying it to life, if someone makes a sexist comment and nobody takes offence then where's the harm? It's only when such things are acted upon, or influence others to act upon them that there is a problem.

Aggression is something else altogether though, that has to be dealt with, but comments amongst like-minded mates (of either sex) is mostly harmless. It's easy to be too sensitive these days.

[Angus]

Err, he also said she would need a lung transplant after he'd finished with her.

[Pyramid*]

Err, he also said she would need a lung transplant after he'd finished with her.

Did he say lung transplant? I'm sure he said she'd need new lungs.

(the message was the same though)

[Mumbles]

In the same way that Scots are portrayed as skinflints.

In the same way that Irish are portrayed as drunkards.

In the same way that Welsh are portrayed as simpletons.

In the same way that Essex girls are regarded as slappers.

*none of which happens to be true btw!!*

It's a minority of a section: but it's still a stereotype - and there's nothing quite like drawing in viewers on such shows like Geordie Shores, TOWIE etc: and making out that this is what the average person is like from such places.

I agree it might be becoming more prevailant, but it's still pretty much in the minority (imo) and again, I think it's blinkered for anyone to associate all people from the one area, are the same (not saying you are doing that, not at all...... I'm sure you know what I mean!). I totally understand your own annoyance: hell.... you just have to look at the nutjob that have been Scottish who have been on BB... the majority of Scottish housemates have been embarrassments totally.

Yeah, I know what you mean. It would be interesting to know the origins of these stereotypes though. There must have been some kind of cultural moment for each of the areas that you listed that somehow planted the seeds of these portrayals, that were then somehow reinforced with further cultural moments until they bacame stereotypes. I'm wandering off topic again though.

[Pyramid*]

Yeah, I know what you mean. It would be interesting to know the origins of these stereotypes though. There must have been some kind of cultural moment for each of the areas that you listed that somehow planted the seeds of these portrayals, that were then somehow reinforced with further cultural moments until they bacame stereotypes. I'm wandering off topic again though.

I do know that as far as history is concerned, years ago, a Scottish pint was equal to 2 (or 2.5, 2 I think) English pints - going back to William Wallace days: so that would account for Drunken Scots.... where the miserable thing came from: No idea!

[Mumbles]

I do know that as far as history is concerned, years ago, a Scottish pint was equal to 2 (or 2.5, 2 I think) English pints - going back to William Wallace days: so that would account for Drunken Scots.... where the miserable thing came from: No idea!

Interesting, I didn't know that about the pints. That may also account for the sterotype of them being miserly as well, if the pints cost the same as English ones. :)

I think with some stereotypes, there's a tendency with some of them to try and live up to them too. Using Geordies as an example, the sterotype is one of hard drinking, fun loving, sexually promiscuous hard men, which can be seen as quite positive by some, especially teenage boys. You'd think that by the time they got to Jay's age they'd have grown out of that by now though and would want to be perceived as their own man, an individual rather than a cliche. (see how I managed to drag this back on topic there? :) )

[Pyramid*]

Interesting, I didn't know that about the pints. That may also account for the sterotype of them being miserly as well, if the pints cost the same as English ones. :)

I think with some stereotypes, there's a tendency with some of them to try and live up to them too. Using Geordies as an example, the sterotype is one of hard drinking, fun loving, sexually promiscuous hard men, which can be seen as quite positive by some, especially teenage boys. You'd think that by the time they got to Jay's age they'd have grown out of that by now though and would want to be perceived as their own man, an individual rather than a cliche. (see how I managed to drag this back on topic there? :) )


it gets worse: according to one source, it's 4 pints!! :shocked:

http://www.dsl.ac.uk/getent4.php?plen=6501&startset=29686520&dtext=snd&query=PINT


so there you go: if anyone wonders why Scots are considered drunks: that might be a clue.

But it takes us right back to the point the OP made: about not classing everyone from a certain area as being the same - although I do totally understand that the OP meant in fact: she was unsure if that was a colloquialism as far as Newcastle was concerned.

[alex_front2]

Interesting, I didn't know that about the pints. That may also account for the sterotype of them being miserly as well, if the pints cost the same as English ones. :)

I think with some stereotypes, there's a tendency with some of them to try and live up to them too. Using Geordies as an example, the sterotype is one of hard drinking, fun loving, sexually promiscuous hard men, which can be seen as quite positive by some, especially teenage boys. You'd think that by the time they got to Jay's age they'd have grown out of that by now though and would want to be perceived as their own man, an individual rather than a cliche. (see how I managed to drag this back on topic there? :) )

When BB started it didn't pander to stereotypes as much

BB1 Anna - pretty feminine (not man-hating) lesbian
BB1 Craig - hard working self-made Scouser
BB1 Nick - dishonest middle class guy

BB2 Narinda - Geordie: middle class, professional (medical sales person), British-Asian
BB2 Elizabeth - Scottish: sophisiticated, articulate and worldly, not drunkard etc
BB2 Dean: Black/ mixed: professional, intellectual and geeky, not into rap or gangster culture, not homophobic

Almost every black male since BB2 Dean (bar legend Derek BB6 and John Tickle BB4) has been a rap-loving 'urban' stereotype.

Found BB2 Brian D annoying as a camp cliche of a gay man, but I presume thered me masculine gay men in later series, never happened.

[Vicky.]

I have never heard that term before and I have lived in the northeast all my life.

The one I do hear quite often though(which I dislike intensely) is 'I'm going to smash her til she cant walk' :bored:

[Mumbles]

When BB started it didn't pander to stereotypes as much

BB1 Anna - pretty feminine (not man-hating) lesbian
BB1 Craig - hard working self-made Scouser
BB1 Nick - dishonest middle class guy

BB2 Narinda - Geordie: middle class, professional (medical sales person), British-Asian
BB2 Elizabeth - Scottish: sophisiticated, articulate and worldly, not drunkard etc
BB2 Dean: Black/ mixed: professional, intellectual and geeky, not into rap or gangster culture, not homophobic

Almost every black male since BB2 Dean (bar legend Derek BB6 and John Tickle BB4) has been a rap-loving 'urban' stereotype.

Found BB2 Brian D annoying as a camp cliche of a gay man, but I presume thered me masculine gay men in later series, never happened.

Yes, BB does like it's stereotypes. They really seem to do a disservice to black women too, with people like Charlie and that one that got kicked out for making threats.

[Pyramid*]

Yes, BB does like it's stereotypes. They really seem to do a disservice to black women too, with people like Charlie and that one that got kicked out for making threats.

I think that BB do an excellent job of picking the very worst of each and every type of stereotypical type - and I mean as in gender, sexuality, race, culture, you name it: they manage to find the very worst - and then for good measure: they throw in one or two normal everyday type people - just to see how well the 'normal everyday' ones can handle it.

Seriously.

[alex_front2]

Yes, BB does like it's stereotypes. They really seem to do a disservice to black women too, with people like Charlie and that one that got kicked out for making threats.


You mean BB9 Alex

Black/mixed women on BB

Amma BB2 - argued with Stuart the winker
BB3 Alison -likeable but evicted really early
BB3 Adele - bitchy scheming lesbian who pretended to fancy men to get air time and avoid nominations. Evicted to massive boos.
BB5 Anouska - sexy but scatty evicted week 1 shock eviction
BB6 Vanessa - no descript but bitchy
BB6 Makosi - a diva but had have some charisma. Most successful coming 3rd despite awful boos and hate filled interview with Davina
BB7 Dawn - moany mother figure who wanted to leave and apparently stank of BO
BB8 Charley - aggressive and argumentative
BB8 Kara Louise - shy forgetable new HM who added nothing to the mix
BB9 Alex - extremely aggressive and kicked out
BB9 Sylvia - snidey and bitchy
BB10 Sofia - started of likeable but got into a mega bitch war with Saffia
BB10 Noirin - sexy minx who everyone fancied but was arrogant enjoyed playing with people's emotions
BB11 Rachel W - sexy Beyone a like was evicted in first week mainly due to arguing with JJ1 and being overtly sexual
BB11 Iffy/ Gloria - likeable if a bit dull but surprisingly evicted as soon as she was up despite being quite nice
BB11 Rachael I - new HM but made little impact. People found her scouser accent annoying but was sweet.
BB11 Cougar Jo - new HM started off strongly when entering house but didn't deliver what she promised

[alex_front2]

I've been told that is actually not said in the North East

[Patricia4]

Did you hear his vile sex talk on BBBOTS ? one of his chat up lines is "Do you want me to kick you in the ****" obviously Louise laughed and maybe thought it was "Dead romantic"

She think's everything is romantic that Jay say's.

[fredmeneedle]

I have never heard that term before and I have lived in the northeast all my life.

The one I do hear quite often though(which I dislike intensely) is 'I'm going to smash her til she cant walk' :bored:

You can't lay all the blame at the doors of thuggish yoof though...Leigh Francis (a.k.a. Keith Lemon) frequently refers to "smashing the back doors in" of Holly or Fern on his show

[alex_front2]

It's called new misogyny disguised as sexual banter when it's really designed to put women in their sexual place.

[Pyramid*]

You can't lay all the blame at the doors of thuggish yoof though...Leigh Francis (a.k.a. Keith Lemon) frequently refers to "smashing the back doors in" of Holly or Fern on his show


True. But we can lay all the blame at the doors of thuggish gits...... like Jay.

[alex_front2]

True. But we can lay all the blame at the doors of thuggish gits...... like Jay.

:joker: Agree - Jay is not a youth. He's 30 in about just over 2 1/2 years

[goldielox]

yup lets be clear here. His talk about women and sex is nothing to do with being from the North East.

Keith Lemon has a lot to answer for with his smash her back doors in, it's started a whole new way in which men talk about women.