The REAL reason why Jay hasn't been kicked out.

[MrWong]

He's already been signed up to Dirty Desmonds 'talent' agency.

Here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/mar/04/richard-desmond-talent-agency

Details on Jay's mum's Twitter account here: http://twitter.com/#!/JayMcKraysMaSue

So that's why he hasn't been booted out for violent threats and why he's had his most disgusting moments covered up.

Housemates in the past were signed up by agencies after the show. That's not the case for the knuckle dragging meathead.

[alex_front2]

Not surprised. The odd thing is Jay's mum sounds more like a desperate PR/ agent trying to spin Jay than his mum.

I hate the way she always refers to him as Jay McKray as opposed to just 'Jay' 'my son' 'my lad' etc.

[the truth]

he hasnt been kicked out because hes done absolutely nothing to anyone. hes never even argued. frustration is natural cooped in there for 70 days especially with a nightmare like aaron. jay has argued with no one hes been a peacemaker. meanwhile aaron deliberately sabotaged tasks knowing how important food was to jay (guys that size eat 2 to 3 times what women eat) to ruin jays health. before you get into the whole jay v aaron thing. think how youd feel after 10 weeks mostly on frosties and bananas on 24 hour tv when youre jays size?

[In the Drunk Tank]

Where does it say it on her twitter?

[ChristmasNeeve]

he hasnt been kicked out because hes done absolutely nothing to anyone. hes never even argued. frustration is natural cooped in there for 70 days especially with a nightmare like aaron. jay has argued with no one hes been a peacemaker. meanwhile aaron deliberately sabotaged tasks knowing how important food was to jay (guys that size eat 2 to 3 times what women eat) to ruin jays health. before you get into the whole jay v aaron thing. think how youd feel after 10 weeks mostly on frosties and bananas on 24 hour tv when youre jays size?

He shat in the freezer, he's threatened violence to Aaron and others, that would have been enough in past BBs

[Pyramid*]

Good for Jay.

all the more reason for him to get booted out tomorrow night.

How pathetic is mum though - really! It's a bit sad when you can't allow your own son to achieve things on their own merits; but have to spend 8 full weeks, tweeting everyone and the dog in a sad attempt to garner support.

[chuff me dizzy]

Not surprised. The odd thing is Jay's mum sounds more like a desperate PR/ agent trying to spin Jay than his mum.

I hate the way she always refers to him as Jay McKray as opposed to just 'Jay' 'my son' 'my lad' etc.

Or better still JUSTIN WAGGOT

[Pyramid*]

he hasnt been kicked out because hes done absolutely nothing to anyone. hes never even argued. frustration is natural cooped in there for 70 days especially with a nightmare like aaron. jay has argued with no one hes been a peacemaker. meanwhile aaron deliberately sabotaged tasks knowing how important food was to jay (guys that size eat 2 to 3 times what women eat) to ruin jays health. before you get into the whole jay v aaron thing. think how youd feel after 10 weeks mostly on frosties and bananas on 24 hour tv when youre jays size?

If I didn't know better: I'd say that you sound like Jay's mum!


As for all the above, especially the eating / food situ. He knows the script, BB has been on since he was 16/17 - if he couldn't handle it - he shouldn't have gone into the house.

He clearly can't handle it - as we have all seen, esp the last few nights.

[MrWong]

He shat in the freezer, he's threatened violence to Aaron and others, that would have been enough in past BBs

Thanks, was just about to say that.

Funny how quickly people forget. Memories like goldfish.

[fingers]

I don't see any PROOF that Desmond's new PR Agency has signed up JAY.

WHY does SUEJAYMCKRAYSMAM call herself that Isn't she Mrs Sue Wagott mother of Justin Waggott?

She does sound a bit desperate to come across as a female Max Clifford! lol

[MrWong]

Where does it say it on her twitter?

:conf:

Right under her name. Top left of her Twitter page.

[alex_front2]

he hasnt been kicked out because hes done absolutely nothing to anyone. hes never even argued. frustration is natural cooped in there for 70 days especially with a nightmare like aaron. jay has argued with no one hes been a peacemaker. meanwhile aaron deliberately sabotaged tasks knowing how important food was to jay (guys that size eat 2 to 3 times what women eat) to ruin jays health. before you get into the whole jay v aaron thing. think how youd feel after 10 weeks mostly on frosties and bananas on 24 hour tv when youre jays size?

He has put poo in freezer and would have served it in Marks tea if BB not intervened.

He has made threats to Harry and indirectly about Aaron.

So you're saying someone being aggressive like Jay is better than being reticent like Aaron. Ooooookkkay.

Jay is a peacemaker as he caused the war.

[MrWong]

I don't see any PROOF that Desmond's new PR Agency has signed up JAY.
WHY does SUEJAYMCKRAYSMAM call herself that Isn't she Mrs Sue Wagott mother of Justin Waggott?

She does sound a bit desperate to come across as a female Max Clifford! lol

Outside Management is a talent agency, part of the company Outside Organisation.

Sheesh. I didn't think i'd need to spell it out.

[Marmalite]

he hasnt been kicked out because hes done absolutely nothing to anyone. hes never even argued. frustration is natural cooped in there for 70 days especially with a nightmare like aaron. jay has argued with no one hes been a peacemaker. meanwhile aaron deliberately sabotaged tasks knowing how important food was to jay (guys that size eat 2 to 3 times what women eat) to ruin jays health. before you get into the whole jay v aaron thing. think how youd feel after 10 weeks mostly on frosties and bananas on 24 hour tv when youre jays size?


So why did he go into a show like BB then? Everyone knows how BB messes with food to try and play around with the HMs mind!

Plus it's a ridiculous excuse anyway considering they've had nothing but take-aways since the day they went in there.

Also your reference to him having nothing but bananas and frosted flakes for 10 weeks is utter BS - he was taken out and put in the crypt and given pizza, beer and goodness knows what so please don't use that excuse.

Also if food was that important to him why did he spend is split of the food budget on tobacco and beer?

The excuses just get more and more pathetic!

[fingers]

Outside Management is a talent agency, part of the company Outside Organisation.

Sheesh. I didn't think i'd need to spell it out.

Point out (humour me) WHERE it says they have signed Jay McKray?

[MrWong]

he hasnt been kicked out because hes done absolutely nothing to anyone. hes never even argued. frustration is natural cooped in there for 70 days especially with a nightmare like aaron. jay has argued with no one hes been a peacemaker. meanwhile aaron deliberately sabotaged tasks knowing how important food was to jay (guys that size eat 2 to 3 times what women eat) to ruin jays health. before you get into the whole jay v aaron thing. think how youd feel after 10 weeks mostly on frosties and bananas on 24 hour tv when youre jays size?


Errr, great. :conf:

What are your thoughts on Jay already being signed up to Dirty Desmonds agency?

[MrWong]

Point out (humour me) WHERE it says they have signed Jay McKray?

To book someone you have to go through an agency.

To book Jay you have to go through Neil Ransome of Outside Management.

If Jay wasn't with them why would bookings have to go through them?

[Doodleydo]

What on earth is wrong with you all?
All of the HMs are signed to this agency before they go in.
However, I think they dropped Heaven a week after she came out.

[Pyramid*]

PMSL.......

This is what Jay's mum is calling a romantic photo of Jay..... he looks like he's just got out of Belmarsh and nicked some roses from the local park !!

:joker:

http://p.twimg.com/Adz7fO7CMAAAFWY.jpg (http://twitter.com/JayMcKraysMaSue/status/134258602910298113/photo/1/large)

[MrWong]

What on earth is wrong with you all?
All of the HMs are signed to this agency before they go in.
However, I think they dropped Heaven a week after she came out.

Proof please that all of them have signed up.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Good for Jay.

all the more reason for him to get booted out tomorrow night.

How pathetic is mum though - really! It's a bit sad when you can't allow your own son to achieve things on their own merits; but have to spend 8 full weeks, tweeting everyone and the dog in a sad attempt to garner support.

Mother in supporting son shocker!

:conf:

Right under her name. Top left of her Twitter page.

Oh yeah sorry, I was looking for a tweet about it and didn't even look under her name :blush:

[Doodleydo]

Proof please that all of them have signed up.

It'd be part of the contract to go in. They wouldn't be able to come out and sign to any agency they wanted. Look at Mark for one, he's with the same agency, not checked the others but think about it a bit.

[Kazanne]

he hasnt been kicked out because hes done absolutely nothing to anyone. hes never even argued. frustration is natural cooped in there for 70 days especially with a nightmare like aaron. jay has argued with no one hes been a peacemaker. meanwhile aaron deliberately sabotaged tasks knowing how important food was to jay (guys that size eat 2 to 3 times what women eat) to ruin jays health. before you get into the whole jay v aaron thing. think how youd feel after 10 weeks mostly on frosties and bananas on 24 hour tv when youre jays size?

Think some people need to change usernames,how anyone can say he's done NOTHING to anyone is beyond me,blimey that makes Aaron look like a saint.

[Doodleydo]

C&Pd from another site, so don't blame me for spelling:

The Talent Management Company is called Outside Talent.

twitter : http://twitter.com/#!/outside_talent

web : http://www.outsidetalent.co.uk . Just a parked web page at moment.

email : talent@outsidetalent.co.uk.

Who are Outside Talent ? They are a Talent Management agency formed By a PR company called The Outside Organisation (Who are the PR company Channel 5 Employs) And Mr Richard Desmond owner of Express Newspapers (Daily Star etc) And Channel 5 via his Northern and Shell company.

This is the unamed Talent Management agency aluded to in this Guardian Article from April this year :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/mar/04/richard-desmond-talent-agency

Day to Day Talent agency work such as bookings etc is handled for Outside Talent by Industry Music. Why this division of work I have not figured out :

Twitter : http://twitter.com/#!/IndustryMusicMD
Web : http://industrymusicgroup.co.uk/booking-agent/big-brother/

Browse through their twitter. http://twitter.com/#!/outside_talent

[MrWong]

It'd be part of the contract to go in. They wouldn't be able to come out and sign to any agency they wanted. Look at Mark for one, he's with the same agency, not checked the others but think about it a bit.

Aaron's a conracts manager, i really can't see him signing up to an agency where you sign your life away, for a pittance.

Same with Harry.

[Pyramid*]

Mother in supporting son shocker!





No need to get all sarky MTVN. Most normal, everyday, typical working class type mothers who have aggressive, violent thugs for sons, tend not to brag about them - far less want to support them.

[Doodleydo]

Aaron's a conracts manager, i really can't see him signing up to an agency where you sign your life away, for a pittance.

Same with Harry.

What if it was a condition?

[In the Drunk Tank]

No need to get all sarky MTVN. Most normal, everyday, typical working class type mothers who have aggressive, violent thugs for sons, tend not to brag about them - far less want to support them.

I think most Mothers would be supportive of their sons, they're hardly going to denounce them because they got angry :idc:

[MrWong]

No need to get all sarky MTVN. Most normal, everyday, typical working class type mothers who have aggressive, violent thugs for sons, tend not to brag about them - far less want to support them.

Out of all the mum's it's only Jay's that's been begging for votes.

As far as i know anyway.

I see Cheryl Cole and Ant and Dec didn't get back to her :joker:

[MrWong]

What if it was a condition?

I'm not 100% but I don't think that would be allowed?

[Pyramid*]

I think most Mothers would be supportive of their sons, they're hardly going to denounce them because they got angry :idc:


I don't need to 'think'... I know. I know decent mothers who do have sons who behaved like this (remember, his own mother admitted he had punched holes in the wall of her home), and those mothers have throw them out and have little or no further contact with them.

Being angry is one thing. Being violent, aggressive and damaging property (if not people) is not angry -that's a thug.

[fingers]

Ms. Waggott has posted her son's "website" www.jaymckray.com but it justs leads back to a FaceBook page - NOT a real website at all.

[MrWong]

What if it was a condition?


It doesn't seem to be a condition.

Louise is signed to AdF Management.

Here: http://www.adfmanagement.co.uk/louisecliffe.asp

[fingers]

It doesn't seem to be a condition.

Louise is signed to AdF Management.

Here: http://www.adfmanagement.co.uk/louisecliffe.asp

She's been modelling for YEARS, no way would her present management team let her be poached.

[In the Drunk Tank]

I don't need to 'think'... I know. I know decent mothers who do have sons who behaved like this (remember, his own mother admitted he had punched holes in the wall of her home), and those mothers have throw them out and have little or no further contact with them.

Being angry is one thing. Being violent, aggressive and damaging property (if not people) is not angry -that's a thug.

I'm sorry but that is just incredibly judgemental, I'm sick of all the mock outrage on here :bored:

[connie]

he hasnt been kicked out because hes done absolutely nothing to anyone. hes never even argued. frustration is natural cooped in there for 70 days especially with a nightmare like aaron. jay has argued with no one hes been a peacemaker. meanwhile aaron deliberately sabotaged tasks knowing how important food was to jay (guys that size eat 2 to 3 times what women eat) to ruin jays health. before you get into the whole jay v aaron thing. think how youd feel after 10 weeks mostly on frosties and bananas on 24 hour tv when youre jays size?

What have you watch then, come on hungry or not he knew what to expect.

[Marmalite]

Aaron's a conracts manager, i really can't see him signing up to an agency where you sign your life away, for a pittance.

Same with Harry.


Perhaps it means obligated to go onto BBOTs etc when they first come out and if they're a hit housemate then try and convince them to do other stuff as well.

Actually tbh...... I have no idea :blush:

[InOne]

Bloody Waggot :bored:

[MrWong]

She's been modelling for YEARS, no way would her present management team let her be poached.

Yeah, that's what i thought.

So i wonder who else hasn't signed to Outside Management?

It certainly looks like Ch5 have covered up for Jay because of his contract with Outside Management. Which stinks! Imo.

[fingers]

Yeah, that's what i thought.

So i wonder who else hasn't signed to Outside Management?

It certainly looks like Ch5 have covered up for Jay because of his contract with Outside Management. Which stinks! Imo.

No one knows IF he has a contract, supposition in place of facts.

[Babschap]

Good for Jay.

all the more reason for him to get booted out tomorrow night.

How pathetic is mum though - really! It's a bit sad when you can't allow your own son to achieve things on their own merits; but have to spend 8 full weeks, tweeting everyone and the dog in a sad attempt to garner support.


Love this reply!!! So true.

[MrWong]

No one knows IF he has a contract, supposition in place of facts.

So can you answer why in order to book Jay for appearances etc.. you'd have to go through the agent Neil Ransome of Outside Management?

[Pyramid*]

I'm sorry but that is just incredibly judgemental, I'm sick of all the mock outrage on here :bored:

No it's not. What it is: is my opinion based on experience, both personal and with many others I've met through my life - mothers, sisters, even brothers who have outcast their own siblings who behave like Jay. I'm sorry, but it appears that it may not be experiences that you have encountered - but I can assure you, they are not some made up lies or judgements. That comes from real life.

I'm more sick at the mock acceptance on here.

[fingers]

So can you answer why in order to book Jay for appearances etc.. you'd have to go through the agent Neil Ransome of Outside Management?

You'd best direct that question at the desperate Ms Waggott.

[alex_front2]

What's annoying is BBOTs Jamie East keep going on that Jay is only young. He's 27, just 3 years younger than Aaron. But one the older other male HMs along with Mark.

[Kazanne]

He's already been signed up to Dirty Desmonds 'talent' agency.

Here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/mar/04/richard-desmond-talent-agency

Details on Jay's mum's Twitter account here: http://twitter.com/#!/JayMcKraysMaSue

So that's why he hasn't been booted out for violent threats and why he's had his most disgusting moments covered up.

Housemates in the past were signed up by agencies after the show. That's not the case for the knuckle dragging meathead.

I read on DS that Aaron and Harry were the only ones NOT to sign for Desmond,I wondered IF that is the reason Channel 5 have been so harsh on Aaron,does anyone know?

[alex_front2]

When Jay comes out and realises what a postive edit he got, what a negative edit Aaron got, but he still lost to Aaron he'll be livid. Wouldn't want to be Loo!

[Vicky.]

Deleted a bunch of posts from this thread. Try to keep on topic.

[MrWong]

Deleted a bunch of posts from this thread. Try to keep on topic.

Thanks Vicky :thumbs:

[MrWong]

I read on DS that Aaron and Harry were the only ones NOT to sign for Desmond,I wondered IF that is the reason Channel 5 have been so harsh on Aaron,does anyone know?

I read that too Kazanne but nothing was confirmed.

[Cromwell1900]

Yeah, that's what i thought.

So i wonder who else hasn't signed to Outside Management?

It certainly looks like Ch5 have covered up for Jay because of his contract with Outside Management. Which stinks! Imo.

Why ask a question then immediately confirm you are certain of the answer?.

I'd imagine what was said earlier is right, there all signed up to some agency, those without one as of BB are signed to a BB Partner.

[Alf]

he hasnt been kicked out because hes done absolutely nothing to anyone. hes never even argued. frustration is natural cooped in there for 70 days especially with a nightmare like aaron. jay has argued with no one hes been a peacemaker. meanwhile aaron deliberately sabotaged tasks knowing how important food was to jay (guys that size eat 2 to 3 times what women eat) to ruin jays health. before you get into the whole jay v aaron thing. think how youd feel after 10 weeks mostly on frosties and bananas on 24 hour tv when youre jays size?
the truth is talking excrement

[MrWong]

Why ask a question then immediately confirm you are certain of the answer?.

I'd imagine what was said earlier is right, there all signed up to some agency, those without one as of BB are signed to a BB Partner.

:conf:

The question i asked had nothing to do with being certain that Jay's signed to Outside Management.

If they're all signed up it would be good to get confirmation. Which is what i was asking for. Hopefully someone will come along with more info.

[MachoPoodle]

I don't need to 'think'... I know. I know decent mothers who do have sons who behaved like this (remember, his own mother admitted he had punched holes in the wall of her home), and those mothers have throw them out and have little or no further contact with them.

Being angry is one thing. Being violent, aggressive and damaging property (if not people) is not angry -that's a thug.

You don't think you're taking it a bit far? I too sometimes break things when I'm angry, kicked in a door in an old apartment some years ago, and still I bet you'd have to bribe people to find someone thinking I am a thug. People react differently to things, and as long as they're not hurting anyone that doesn't really matter. Violence towards someone isn't ok, but neither is being passive-aggressive in some situations, actually. Like when living together with a group of people.

[Pyramid*]

You don't think you're taking it a bit far? I too sometimes break things when I'm angry, kicked in a door in an old apartment some years ago, and still I bet you'd have to bribe people to find someone thinking I am a thug. People react differently to things, and as long as they're not hurting anyone that doesn't really matter. Violence towards someone isn't ok, but neither is being passive-aggressive in some situations, actually. Like when living together with a group of people.

No.

I have a very strong opinion on this, and in particular Jay and HIS behaviour. I'm not asking or expecting anyone else to be compared - all things are relative. This is my feeling on Jay. -and his ilk.

Nothing, and I mean nothing will change or dilute it. Some things I'm willing to give consideration to: this is not one of them.

[MachoPoodle]

No.

I have a very strong opinion on this, and in particular Jay and HIS behaviour. I'm not asking or expecting anyone else to be compared - all things are relative. This is my feeling on Jay. -and his ilk.

Nothing, and I mean nothing will change or dilute it. Some things I'm willing to give consideration to: this is not one of them.

Personal opinions and feelings are not hard facts though, and I think people in general should make more of an effort to make it clear when they are stating their personal views and when they are arguing somethings is beyond any doubt true. Especially on the web where there's no tone of voice, looks (as in eyes), body language etc to balance it out.

[Parmy]

He shat in the freezer, he's threatened violence to Aaron and others, that would have been enough in past BBs

They knew what they were getting when the picked him.:spin:

[Kazanne]

the truth is talking excrement

:joker::joker::joker::joker:clever:joker: