So Jay techically speaking isn't even a Geordie

[alex_front2]

He comes from a leafy part of rural Durham and his mum's wealthy - despite MaMa McKray claiming on Harry's eviction that her son is a 'humble working class Geordie, hard working plumber' etc. Jay's probably posher than Aaron :joker: but not as posh as Harry (probably why Harry was chosen so he'd be the posho).

You see a "Geordie" accent hides a multitude of 'sins' (ie real class background etc)

Now I understand why he was annoyed that real Geordie Alex was in the house and hardly spoke to her for ages (she ruined his 'down to earth' Geordie USP).

Now I understand why he was able to afford a £50K car and a rather swanky flat, Armani T-shirts and jeans (despite claiming to be a humble plumber struggling for work). :joker:

[MTVN]

Depends how wide an area your definition of Geordie encompasses, he's only from a few miles away from Newcastle

[alex_front2]

So he's not a Geordie then!

He said he was from Newcastle. Lies.

[WCR1942]

"he's only from a few miles away from Newcastle "
Try saying that to all the makems in Sunderland.

[MTVN]

So he's not a Geordie then!

He said he was from Newcastle. Lies.

Geordie doesn't have to only apply to people specifically born within the City, a lot of my family live up in Northumberland and would say they were Geordies even though they're about 20 minutes from the city. Plus people often give the name of their nearest City to say where they're from, I'd say I was from Bristol even though it's 20/30mins away from where I live

[Pyramid*]

Geordie doesn't have to only apply to people specifically born within the City, a lot of my family live up in Northumberland and would say they were Geordies even though they're about 20 minutes from the city. Plus people often give the name of their nearest City to say where they're from, I'd say I was from Bristol even though it's 20/30mins away from where I live

I live 30 mins away from both Edinburgh and Glasgow, but I don't say I'm from either place.

I say I am from the town that I actually live in - I think most people tend to do that, unless of course, they are trying to hide where they actually come from (either through trying to play it up - or down).

[MTVN]

I live 30 mins away from both Edinburgh and Glasgow, but I don't say I'm from either place.

I say I am from the town that I actually live in - I think most people tend to do that, unless of course, they are trying to hide where they actually come from (either through trying to play it up - or down).

Good for you.. nobody would have heard of where I actually live, it's likely that the nearest place to me that they'd know is Bristol, so I either use that or say Gloucestershire :nono:

[WCR1942]

Sunderland is not a small place near Newcastle; it has 200,000 population.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I live 30 mins away from both Edinburgh and Glasgow, but I don't say I'm from either place.

I say I am from the town that I actually live in - I think most people tend to do that, unless of course, they are trying to hide where they actually come from (either through trying to play it up - or down).

Geordie is commonly used for people up North it does not mean they have to be born in the city.

He is from just outside and his accent is very very very much Geordie.

This Jay bashing is becoming very tedious now. Yes his mother has money but he has worked as a plumber making him working class he aint no millionaire.

[Pyramid*]

Geordie is commonly used for people up North it does not mean they have to be born in the city.

He is from just outside and his accent is very very very much Geordie.

This Jay bashing is becoming very tedious now. Yes his mother has money but he has worked as a plumber making him working class he aint no millionaire.

Weegie is a term for folk from Glasgow - and I would never regard myself as such, because I don't come from Glasgow.

We are discussing how someone can claim they live and come from a particular type of background and area: when in fact, the truth is: they don't.

That's not Jay bashing, that's called a fairly reasonsable topic for conversation and discussion.

[MTVN]

Sunderland is not a small place near Newcastle; it has 200,000 population.

Jay's not from Sunderland?

[Pyramid*]

Good for you.. nobody would have heard of where I actually live, it's likely that the nearest place to me that they'd know is Bristol, so I either use that or say Gloucestershire :nono:

Many would not know the town I live in either...therefore when I say I live in XXXX , I confirm that it is 'near' to.... or say most times, "It's between Glasgow and Edinburgh".... I dont pretend to live somewhere that I don't.

No need for the wagging fingers btw.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Weegie is a term for folk from Glasgow - and I would never regard myself as such, because I don't come from Glasgow.

We are discussing how someone can claim they live and come from a particular type of background and area: when in fact, the truth is: they don't.

That's not Jay bashing, that's called a fairly reasonsable topic for conversation and discussion.



It makes me laugh how you all call Jay a liar and condemn him for decieving viewers yet celebrate Aaron who admitted he lied throughout the auditions and used to think of one liners to say in the diary room to please viewers. (Whish he admitted to on last nights show).

Baffles me.

[Mumbles]

Geordie doesn't have to only apply to people specifically born within the City, a lot of my family live up in Northumberland and would say they were Geordies even though they're about 20 minutes from the city. Plus people often give the name of their nearest City to say where they're from, I'd say I was from Bristol even though it's 20/30mins away from where I live

If he's from Durham then his nearest city is Sunderland, Not Newcastle. The definition of a Geordie is someone born on the banks of the Tyne. Historically, Newcastle was part of Northumberland and Sunderland was part of County Durham, so I can see why your family might refer to themselves as Geordies, but that doesn't apply to people from Durham.

However, as a Mackem, I'd say the Geordies are welcome to him. :)

Alex isn't a Geordie either, she's from South Shields, making her a Sand Dancer.

[Vicky.]

Alex wasnt a geordie either.

Thing with Jay is though, he is from Whichkham now, which isnt far at all from Newcastle, its pretty much on the edge of Gateshead(people from Gateshead class themselves as Geordies too). I bet people who arent from here wouldnt even know where Whichkham was...so its easier to say hes from Newcastle. He DID live in Byker at one point, so if he had lived there most of his live he would probably class himself as a geordie. Or even if he spends the majority of his time in Newcastle.

[BBfan6418]

He comes from a leafy part of rural Durham and his mum's wealthy - despite MaMa McKray claiming on Harry's eviction that her son is a 'humble working class Geordie, hard working plumber' etc. Jay's probably posher than Aaron :joker: but not as posh as Harry (probably why Harry was chosen so he'd be the posho).

You see a "Geordie" accent hides a multitude of 'sins' (ie real class background etc)

Now I understand why he was annoyed that real Geordie Alex was in the house and hardly spoke to her for ages (she ruined his 'down to earth' Geordie USP).

Now I understand why he was able to afford a £50K car and a rather swanky flat, Armani T-shirts and jeans (despite claiming to be a humble plumber struggling for work). :joker:

How do you know where he comes from?

[Mumbles]

Sunderland is not a small place near Newcastle; it has 200,000 population.

Indeed. It's actually bigger than Newcastle in both size and population.

[Pyramid*]

Jay's not from Sunderland?


*cough*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Durham

Historically, Sunderland encompasses Durham and other areas....


County Durham / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)d (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)ʌr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)m (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English) is a ceremonial county (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_counties_of_England)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Durham#cite_note-BCfE-1) and (smaller) unitary district in North East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_East_England) England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England). The county town (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_town) is Durham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham). The largest settlement in the ceremonial county (in its own unitary Borough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlington_(borough))) is the town of Darlington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlington).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Durham#cite_note-imperial-2) The county has a mixture of mining and farming heritage, as well as a heavy railway industry, particularity in the southwest of the county in Darlington, Shildon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shildon) and Stockton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockton-on-Tees). Its economy was historically based on coal and iron mining.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Durham#cite_note-durham_heritage-3) It is an area of regeneration and promoted as a tourist destination.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Durham#cite_note-durham_heritage-3)

[Vicky.]

I am a Mackem to people up here...as they know where Durham is, and Ouston is a part of County Durham.

But when elsewhere, I usually just say Geordie, as its much easier...plus I lived in Newcastle for like 6 years...and spend more time there than here now. If you say Durham...9 times out of 10 people say 'where?' and you end up saying near Newcastle anyway, easier to just skip that part of the convo :laugh:

[Pyramid*]

I am a Mackem to people up here...as they know where Durham is, and Ouston is a part of County Durham.

But when elsewhere, I usually just say Geordie, as its much easier...plus I lived in Newcastle for like 6 years...and spend more time there than here now. If you say Durham...9 times out of 10 people say 'where?' and you end up saying near Newcastle anyway, easier to just skip that part of the convo :laugh:

Which is reasonable if it's general quick convo with strangers...., but so too, is not 'skipping that part of the conversation'.... not certainly it's a bit dubious, when you're actually living with people 24/7 in a house for 64 days to continue the pretence.

Unless of course:

(1) Jay didn't mention it quite deliberately or

(2) BB simply decided to ensure the edits shown, were giving the impression that he was just a simple, hard working, down to earth, no trapping, no wealth, type run of the mill average family lad, from 'Newcah ssuullll like'.

[Mumbles]

I am a Mackem to people up here...as they know where Durham is, and Ouston is a part of County Durham.

But when elsewhere, I usually just say Geordie, as its much easier...plus I lived in Newcastle for like 6 years...and spend more time there than here now. If you say Durham...9 times out of 10 people say 'where?' and you end up saying near Newcastle anyway, easier to just skip that part of the convo :laugh:


I'm a Mackem too, living down south. and regardless of who I speak to, if they ask then I'll tell them I'm a Mackem. I'd never say Geordie, ever. Quite often the opening question on hearing my accent is "Geordie or Mackem" so people do know the difference outside of the North East, and if they don't then how long does it take to explain where Durham is - "it's near Sunderland". A lot of people have heard of Durham anyway, it's not like it's some little village in the middle of nowhere.

[MTVN]

Many would not know the town I live in either...therefore when I say I live in XXXX , I confirm that it is 'near' to.... or say most times, "It's between Glasgow and Edinburgh".... I dont pretend to live somewhere that I don't.

No need for the wagging fingers btw.

Ok so you insist on being specific about where you live, do you want a medal for that or something? I don't "pretend" to be from somewhere I'm not, it's just for convenience's sake I'll give the name of the nearest City

If he's from Durham then his nearest city is Sunderland, Not Newcastle. The definition of a Geordie is someone born on the banks of the Tyne. Historically, Newcastle was part of Northumberland and Sunderland was part of County Durham, so I can see why your family might refer to themselves as Geordies, but that doesn't apply to people from Durham.

However, as a Mackem, I'd say the Geordies are welcome to him. :)

Alex isn't a Geordie either, she's from South Shields, making her a Sand Dancer.

Ah right, I just wikipedia'd the town his Mum's from and it said it's "approximately 5 miles to the south-west of the city of Newcastle upon Tyne" so I presumed that was his nearest City

[alex_front2]

This Jay bashing is becoming very tedious now. Yes his mother has money but he has worked as a plumber making him working class he aint no millionaire.

Your plea to stop Jay bashing would have a million % more credibility if you also plead to stop Aaron bashing, as Aaron gets a much rawer deal! :joker::joker:

[Vicky.]

Which is reasonable if it's general quick convo with strangers...., but so too, is not 'skipping that part of the conversation'.... not certainly it's a bit dubious, when you're actually living with people 24/7 in a house for 64 days to continue the pretence.

Unless of course:

(1) Jay didn't mention it quite deliberately or

(2) BB simply decided to ensure the edits shown, were giving the impression that he was just a simple, hard working, down to earth, no trapping, no wealth, type run of the mill average family lad, from 'Newcah ssuullll like'.

I cant believe I am sticking up for Jay here...but I dont really see what the big deal is. Whichkam is NOT far from Newcastle at all. And he grew up in Byker...so he is a geordie.

If you grew up in scotland, then moved to england when you were, for example, 16...you would still tell people you were scottish no?

And maybe he didnt say he was from Whickham because he didnt want people stalking out his flat. (as they have managed to do anyways :laugh: ) Whickham aint that big. maybe there was some other reason...maybe he just wanted people to think he was from Newcastle, maybe the housemates didnt discuss their hometowns...or maybe BB just didnt show it, who knows. But its hardly the deception of the century.

[Pyramid*]

Ok so you insist on being specific about where you live, do you want a medal for that or something? I don't "pretend" to be from somewhere I'm not, it's just for convenience's sake I'll give the name of the nearest City

Ah right, I just wikipedia'd the town his Mum's from and it said it's "approximately 5 miles to the south-west of the city of Newcastle upon Tyne" so I presumed that was his nearest City


I'd appreciate if you could not be so rude MTVN. There is absolutely no need for it, at all.

To clarify this .... said that I (not you), I did not pretend where I come from, when I am asked - and I was referring that specifically to Jay - not you, or indeed anyone else on this forum - and I'd have thought that was obvious, however I am taking this opportunity to make that very clear here and now.

You made assumptions regarding Sunderland/Durham, you were given links to show the lay of the land, quite literally. I'd have thought that was more helpful to allow you to understand why people are commenting as they are.

[Mumbles]

Ah right, I just wikipedia'd the town his Mum's from and it said it's "approximately 5 miles to the south-west of the city of Newcastle upon Tyne" so I presumed that was his nearest City

No worries, the curse of Wiki strikes again. I don't think there's a huge amount of difference between Sunderland-Durham and Newcastle-Durham anyway, though ironically, despite the historic connections it's actually easier to get to Newcatle from Durham than it is to get to Sunderland from Durham.

To add to the discussion, you do find that outside of Sunderland and Newcastle, there is a lot of variation in the outlying areas of the 2 cities, so people from some of the places in Durham or South Shields are just as likely to call themselves Mackems as they are Geordies. Those people calling themselves Geordies in these places are usually referred to by people from Sunderland as "Plastic Geordies".

[Pyramid*]

I cant believe I am sticking up for Jay here...but I dont really see what the big deal is. Whichkam is NOT far from Newcastle at all. And he grew up in Byker...so he is a geordie.

If you grew up in scotland, then moved to england when you were, for example, 16...you would still tell people you were scottish no?

And maybe he didnt say he was from Whickham because he didnt want people stalking out his flat. (as they have managed to do anyways :laugh: ) Whickham aint that big. maybe there was some other reason...maybe he just wanted people to think he was from Newcastle, maybe the housemates didnt discuss their hometowns...or maybe BB just didnt show it, who knows. But its hardly the deception of the century.


We all have different opinions. I fully believe that Jay has deliberately been duplicitious - and this is yet another example of why - and I have explained in detail, why I think that.

That doesn't negate my point - and neither does yours, negate yours.

To answer you: my accent would tell them I was from Scotland, however I would say, "I live in Hastings" but come from... XYZ. If I had been sharing a house with those same people, 24/7: you can bet they would know exactly where I came from originally, where I lived now, when I moved etc.....

It is afterall, a place whereby opinions will not alway be shared, and this appears to be one of them.

[Locke.]

I am from a place 5 minutes from Liverpool but if I was asked I would say I am a scouser. No big deal.

[Vicky.]

I fully believe that Jay has deliberately been duplicitious

But what would he stand to gain though, by saying he was from Newcastle instead of saying he was '5 mins outside of Newcastle'? I dont get this at all.

Its LESS deceptive than previous 'geordies' on the show. Liam was presented to us as a geordie, yet was from lanchester. Anthony was apparently a geordie, but he was from Consett. Alex was a geordie, yet she was from Shields.

[Mumbles]

I cant believe I am sticking up for Jay here...but I dont really see what the big deal is. Whichkam is NOT far from Newcastle at all. And he grew up in Byker...so he is a geordie.

If you grew up in scotland, then moved to england when you were, for example, 16...you would still tell people you were scottish no?

I think we should all just agree he's Plastic Geordie and move on. I agree, it's not a massive deception and not an uncommon one for people from Durham, but it's a deception of sorts but no worse than Alex not fessing up to being a Sand Dancer. It's a question of how cynical a move it was on each of their parts though. Were they saying they were Geordies in order to try and attract votes from the barcode sheep from Newcstle? Possibly. Didn't work though, so doesn't really matter either.

[Pyramid*]

I am from a place 5 minutes from Liverpool but if I was asked I would say I am a scouser. No big deal.

Bit of a difference living 5 minutes away from Liverpool.....and living approx 30mins drive from Liverpool - which is the driving time between Durham and Newcastle.

Same as where I am compared to Glasgow / Edinburgh.

[Vicky.]

I think we should all just agree he's Plastic Geordie and move on. I agree, it's not a massive deception and not an uncommon one for people from Durham, but it's a deception of sorts but no worse than Alex not fessing up to being a Sand Dancer. It's a question of how cynical a move it was on each of their parts though. Were they saying they were Geordies in order to try and attract votes from the barcode sheep from Newcstle? Possibly. Didn't work though, so doesn't really matter either.

:joker:

I have never heard that term about geordies. I do however, know a Plastic Paddy :D

[fruit_cake]

I live in a city but if I didn't I'd probably just pick the nearest one and say that, it makes sense to avoid having to explain it every time

[Locke.]

Bit of a difference living 5 minutes away from Liverpool.....and living approx 30mins drive from Liverpool - which is the driving time between Durham and Newcastle.

Same as where I am compared to Glasgow / Edinburgh.

There is no difference, I am sure if I lived on the opposite side of the county I'm from then it would be a 30 minute drive, but it would still be the same county and right next to Liverpool.

[Vicky.]

Bit of a difference living 5 minutes away from Liverpool.....and living approx 30mins drive from Liverpool - which is the driving time between Durham and Newcastle.

Same as where I am compared to Glasgow / Edinburgh.

Jay is not a 30 mins from Newcastle though.

Jay lives in Whickham, probably about 5/10 mins from Newcastle. Its on the borders of gateshead, which is just over the other side of the Tyne.

Jays MOTHER lives in Ouston, which is probably closer to about 20/30 mins away.

[Pyramid*]

But what would he stand to gain though, by saying he was from Newcastle instead of saying he was '5 mins outside of Newcastle'? I dont get this at all.

Its LESS deceptive than previous 'geordies' on the show. Liam was presented to us as a geordie, yet was from lanchester. Anthony was apparently a geordie, but he was from Consett. Alex was a geordie, yet she was from Shields.

I don't agree Vicky..... given his whole persona of being just a normal, hard working, no real money, wants to give his mam money - he made out on the show that he wasn't from a priviledged background: when clearly he has got trappings of wealth, and that is funded by a wealthy family.

Now nothing wrong with the wealthy family, or where he lived.....but it is the duplicitious nature and maner in which he portrayed himself (constantly) as being some regular Joe, struggling to make ends meet type thing.

[Vicky.]

I don't agree Vicky..... given his whole persona of being just a normal, hard working, no real money, wants to give his mam money - he made out on the show that he wasn't from a priviledged background: when clearly he has got trappings of wealth, and that is funded by a wealthy family.

Now nothing wrong with the wealthy family, or where he lived.....but it is the duplicitious nature and maner in which he portrayed himself (constantly) as being some regular Joe, struggling to make ends meet type thing.

But thats nothing to do with where he lives though. I do get your point about him making out he had nowt...but I dont see the connection between him saying he was from newcaslte instead of '5 mins outside of newcastle' or 'just over the river'

[Pyramid*]

Jay is not a 30 mins from Newcastle though.

Jay lives in Whickham, probably about 5/10 mins from Newcastle. Its on the borders of gateshead, which is just over the other side of the Tyne.

Jays MOTHER lives in Ouston, which is probably closer to about 20/30 mins away.

Okay, fair enough. I'll accede to that point. but see my last post before this: he portrayed himself to be something he is not in respect of his lifestyle/background etc....... that's the bit that's sheer duplicity..

[Pyramid*]

But thats nothing to do with where he lives though. I do get your point about him making out he had nowt...but I dont see the connection between him saying he was from newcaslte instead of '5 mins outside of newcastle' or 'just over the river'

See my last post... !! We are crossing over in postings.

it's to do with him pretending he is something he's not.

[Vicky.]

He comes from a leafy part of rural Durham and his mum's wealthy - despite MaMa McKray claiming on Harry's eviction that her son is a 'humble working class Geordie, hard working plumber' etc. Jay's probably posher than Aaron :joker: but not as posh as Harry (probably why Harry was chosen so he'd be the posho).

You see a "Geordie" accent hides a multitude of 'sins' (ie real class background etc)

Now I understand why he was annoyed that real Geordie Alex was in the house and hardly spoke to her for ages (she ruined his 'down to earth' Geordie USP).

Now I understand why he was able to afford a £50K car and a rather swanky flat, Armani T-shirts and jeans (despite claiming to be a humble plumber struggling for work). :joker:

This bit makes me laugh too.

Alex wasnt a geordie, far from it. Jay was closer to a 'real' geordie than Alex was :joker:

[Mumbles]

There is no difference, I am sure if I lived on the opposite side of the county I'm from then it would be a 30 minute drive, but it would still be the same county and right next to Liverpool.

Newcastle's not, and never has been in the same county as Durham though, unlike Sunderland which is closer to Durham than Newcastle and was part of the same county until about 30 years ago (possibly slightly longer, can't be arsed to look it up).

His choice though, he can either be a Mackem or a Plastic Geordie.

This clamoring to be a Geodie is nothing new though, even the cast of Geordie Shore weren't all Geordies. There was a girl from Sunderland, who didn't really mention that, and there was a girl from Middlesbrough who tried to claim she was a Geordie and not a Smoggy, despite the fact you have to drive through, or at least past, Sunderland to get to Newcastle from Boro.

[Vicky.]

Newcastle's not, and never has been in the same county as Durham though, unlike Sunderland which is closer to Durham than Newcastle and was part of the same county until about 30 years ago (possibly slightly longer, can't be arsed to look it up).

His choice though, he can either be a Mackem or a Plastic Geordie.

This clamoring to be a Geodie is nothing new though, even the cast of Geordie Shore weren't all Geordies. There was a girl from Sunderland, who didn't really mention that, and there was a girl from Middlesbrough who tried to claim she was a Geordie and not a Smoggy, despite the fact you have to drive through, or at least past, Sunderland to get to Newcastle from Boro.

Is Whickham classed as County Durham? Would have thought it was Tyne and Wear :S

[Mumbles]

:joker:

I have never heard that term about geordies. I do however, know a Plastic Paddy :D

Same deal I'm sure. A lot of it stems from football loyalties, with fans from the sticks opting for the city of whichever team's doing the best at the time, so loads claimed to be Geordies during the Keegan era, less when they got relegated a couple of years ago.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Your plea to stop Jay bashing would have a million % more credibility if you also plead to stop Aaron bashing, as Aaron gets a much rawer deal! :joker::joker:

I actually think Aaron was an awesome housemate.

You know you can like a housemate without hating another or hating the members of the forum for supporting another housemate.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Oh and im from a tiny village in Wales called Pontlottyn but because no one knows where it is i say im from Cardiff. This means i am decieving people and must be punished :rolleyes:

[Pyramid*]

I actually think Aaron was an awesome housemate.

You know you can like a housemate without hating another or hating the members of the forum for supporting another housemate.

First part I agree with - I can and do like some housemates and don't need to hate other ones.

The Bib though, what has this got to do with the discussion....we are discussing housemates..not our feelings for or towards other forum members.

[Mumbles]

Is Whickham classed as County Durham? Would have thought it was Tyne and Wear :S

Whickham's Tyne and Wear, but where his mum's from is in county Durham. Just living somewhere doesn't necessarily make you the same categorisation as others who were born there though. I've been down south for over 20 years now, but I'm still a mackem as I was born in Sunderland, so I guess it depends on where Jay was born, which we don't really know do we?

Re: Alex not being a Geordie, she does actually have more claim to being a Geordie than Jay, if Jay was actually born in Durham that is, as South Shields is actually on the banks of the Tyne.

[Pyramid*]

Oh and im from a tiny village in Wales called Pontlottyn but because no one knows where it is i say im from Cardiff. This means i am decieving people and must be punished :rolleyes:

Were you on the show this year -saying this? Which housemate were you because I can't recall you ? :conf:

I ask because I thought we were discussing housemates and where they live/come from/ their background.....

[Pyramid*]

Is it fair to say that as far as being regarded as a true Geordie....that the opinion is, Jay is not?

Perhaps a Plastic Geordie, but what one regards as true Geordie in the true nature and understanding of the term?

[Mumbles]

Oh and im from a tiny village in Wales called Pontlottyn but because no one knows where it is i say im from Cardiff. This means i am decieving people and must be punished :rolleyes:

How long does it take to explain what you've just written there - that you're from a village called Pontlottyn which is near Cardiff? It surely can't take more than a second more than saying you're from Cardiff.

[Vicky.]

Whickham's Tyne and Wear, but where his mum's from is in county Durham. Just living somewhere doesn't necessarily make you the same categorisation as others who were born there though. I've been down south for over 20 years now, but I'm still a mackem as I was born in Sunderland, so I guess it depends on where Jay was born, which we don't really know do we?

Re: Alex not being a Geordie, she does actually have more claim to being a Geordie than Jay, if Jay was actually born in Durham that is, as South Shields is actually on the banks of the Tyne.

Jay grew up in Byker. His mother is now from Ouston, Jay is now from Whickham.

Unsure where he was born though, but he lived in Byker for quite a while

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Were you on the show this year -saying this? Which housemate were you because I can't recall you ? :conf:

I ask because I thought we were discussing housemates and where they live/come from/ their background.....

Erm im saying that im not from cardiff but say i am as its the closest place to where im from that people will know of and i lived there for 4 years.

This is in relation to the thread as im backing up Jay calling himself Geordie even though he does live outside there but has lived in Newcastle.

Stop nit picking.

And you talked about yourself being from near Glasgow so you're doing the same thing.

[Pyramid*]

Jay grew up in Byker. His mother is now from Ouston, Jay is now from Whickham.

Unsure where he was born though, but he lived in Byker for quite a while


he's verging on dating one too by the sounds of Louise....

(sorry sorry).

[Mumbles]

Is it fair to say that as far as being regarded as a true Geordie....that the opinion is, Jay is not?

Perhaps a Plastic Geordie, but what one regards as true Geordie in the true nature and understanding of the term?

Jay certainly fits all the cliches of Geordies - vain, superficial, ignorant, ill-mannered, shallow, sexist, aggressive, etc. all Geordie traits if we're generalising. In the name of balance and fairness though, there's a few less negative cliched Geordie traits too that he fits the stereotype for I suppose - party animal, has a way with the ladies, etc.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

How long does it take to explain what you've just written there - that you're from a village called Pontlottyn which is near Cardiff? It surely can't take more than a second more than saying you're from Cardiff.

Erm no actually because people are allways like "what, where?, how do you spell that? is that near Cardiff?"

So its easier for me to say im from Cardiff or Merthyr which are places most people have heard of and not that far from where i lived when i was younger but have lived in all 3 places.

[Vicky.]

Is it fair to say that as far as being regarded as a true Geordie....that the opinion is, Jay is not?

Perhaps a Plastic Geordie, but what one regards as true Geordie in the true nature and understanding of the term?

No. Depends where he was born and grew up. Which we dont know.

On the 'where you were born thing' I wouldnt say that matters as much as where you spent the majority of your childhood. I mean, my Gav was born in Manchester, but literally when he was about a week old his mother moved to newcastle. So he classes himself as a geordie. Whether this is right or wrong I dont know, but it seems a bit daft to consider yourself from manchester just because you were born in a hospital there :laugh:

[Mumbles]

Jay grew up in Byker. His mother is now from Ouston, Jay is now from Whickham.

Unsure where he was born though, but he lived in Byker for quite a while

Maybe he is a proper Geordie then. His accent is definitely more Geordie than Mackem. As I said at the beginning of this though, the Geordies are welcome to him. :)

[Vicky.]

Maybe he is a proper Geordie then. His accent is definitely more Geordie than Mackem. As I said at the beginning of this though, the Geordies are welcome to him. :)

:joker:

[Pyramid*]

Oh and im from a tiny village in Wales called Pontlottyn but because no one knows where it is i say im from Cardiff. This means i am decieving people and must be punished :rolleyes:

Were you on the show this year -saying this? Which housemate were you because I can't recall you ? :conf:

I ask because I thought we were discussing housemates and where they live/come from/ their background.....

Erm im saying that im not from cardiff but say i am as its the closest place to where im from that people will know of and i lived there for 4 years.

This is in relation to the thread as im backing up Jay calling himself Geordie even though he does live outside there but has lived in Newcastle.

Stop nit picking.

And you talked about yourself being from near Glasgow so you're doing the same thing.

Please see the run of replies above. This is about Jay and whether HE has given deceitful information in which to persuade the public about his background/trappings.

I made it very clear in posts that this is not about fms here and how they choose to explain what they are regarded as.....as this has no bearing on JAY and in JAY making out he is something that he is not.

[BBfan6418]

Is it fair to say that as far as being regarded as a true Geordie....that the opinion is, Jay is not?

Perhaps a Plastic Geordie, but what one regards as true Geordie in the true nature and understanding of the term?

Probably more fair to say no one knows what he is. The guy is 27 years old. How do you know he didn't live in newcastle for 20 years? Most of you are speculating what he is by where he lives now.

[mizzy25]

im from newcastle and im old lol theres an old saying that says to be a proper geordie u have to be born within 5 miles of the banks of the river tyne on the newcastle side. these days that wud mean the quayside. i was born in heaton about 2 miles from there so im a *proper* geordie. cheryl cole is a *proper* geordie joe mcelderry is not. jay unless he was born within 5 miles of tha banks of the river tyne is not a *proper* geordie.

[Pyramid*]

No. Depends where he was born and grew up. Which we dont know.

On the 'where you were born thing' I wouldnt say that matters as much as where you spent the majority of your childhood. I mean, my Gav was born in Manchester, but literally when he was about a week old his mother moved to newcastle. So he classes himself as a geordie. Whether this is right or wrong I dont know, but it seems a bit daft to consider yourself from manchester just because you were born in a hospital there :laugh:

I was born in a hospital outwith where I live, I don't say I come from where that hospital is: that's daft, I agree....!! If we are going down that line, the joke is;

"So where d'you come from"
"My mother"

:D


I thought we have agreed that he has been deceptive in respect of his 'have nowt' background - and has been very economical with the truth, and has used his 'ah just a normal Geordie' type - to reinforce his not so humble background/lifestyle - which is in essence, is the heart of the matter.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Please see the run of replies above. This is about Jay and whether HE has given deceitful information in which to persuade the public about his background/trappings.

I made it very clear in posts that this is not about fms here and how they choose to explain what they are regarded as.....as this has no bearing on JAY and in JAY making out he is something that he is not.

Im fully aware of this.

Im backing up Jay saying that just because he calls himself Geordie but lives outside there does not mean he is decieving fans but that he classes himself as Geordie.

I am very much on topic as you were when YOU were talking about where you are from.

Do you finally understand or shall i repeat it for the fourth time?

[mizzy25]

jay without a doubt had a string geordie accent more so than a mackem wud (person from sunderland)

[Mumbles]

Erm no actually because people are allways like "what, where?, how do you spell that? is that near Cardiff?"

So its easier for me to say im from Cardiff or Merthyr which are places most people have heard of and not that far from where i lived when i was younger but have lived in all 3 places.


How much more difficult is it to say "I'm from a village called Pontlottyn which is near Cardiff" than it is is to say "I'm from Cardiff"? I know Welsh is a difficult language to speak but there must be less than a seconds difference to say the first sentence rather than the not quite true second one. And if anyone knows Cardiff then their next question might well be "Where abouts in Cardiff" at which point you've then got to backtrack and explain you're not really from Cardiff, but actually from a village just outside Cardiff called Pontlottyn. That's got to take longer than just being truthful to start with. :)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

How much more difficult is it to say "I'm from a village called Pontlottyn which is near Cardiff" than it is is to say "I'm from Cardiff"? I know Welsh is a difficult language to speak but there must be less than a seconds difference to say the first sentence rather than the not quite true second one. And if anyone knows Cardiff then their next question might well be "Where abouts in Cardiff" at which point you've then got to backtrack and explain you're not really from Cardiff, but actually from a village just outside Cardiff called Pontlottyn. That's got to take longer than just being truthful to start with. :)

Mate get over it.

Im speaking from personal experience. It gets very annoying when you have to explain for the millionth time where Pontlottyn is and how to spell it and people giggling as its the back of beyond so i just simplify it to Cardiff where i did live for 4 years and isnt to far which cuts the conversation as they have heard of it.

End of discussion.

[Vicky.]

I thought we have agreed that he has been deceptive in respect of his 'have nowt' background - and has been very economical with the truth, and has used his 'ah just a normal Geordie' type - to reinforce his not so humble background/lifestyle - which is in essence, is the heart of the matter.

He HAS been 'economical with the truth' about having nothing etc.

But not (as far as we can tell without knowing his full address history since birth) about actually being a geordie...

[Mumbles]

Mate get over it.

Im speaking from personal experience. It gets very annoying when you have to explain for the millionth time where Pontlottyn is and how to spell it and people giggling as its the back of beyond so i just simplify it to Cardiff where i did live for 4 years and isnt to far which cuts the conversation as they have heard of it.

End of discussion.


Lol. consider me over it. I do now know where Pontlottyn is though (it's near Cardiff apparently) so it's not been a totally wasted afternoon. :)

[Mystic Mock]

This bit makes me laugh too.

Alex wasnt a geordie, far from it. Jay was closer to a 'real' geordie than Alex was :joker:

South Shields is 2 minutes away from Newcastle where as Sunderland is a little bit further away isnt it?

[MTVN]

Newcastle's not, and never has been in the same county as Durham though, unlike Sunderland which is closer to Durham than Newcastle and was part of the same county until about 30 years ago (possibly slightly longer, can't be arsed to look it up).

His choice though, he can either be a Mackem or a Plastic Geordie.

This clamoring to be a Geodie is nothing new though, even the cast of Geordie Shore weren't all Geordies. There was a girl from Sunderland, who didn't really mention that, and there was a girl from Middlesbrough who tried to claim she was a Geordie and not a Smoggy, despite the fact you have to drive through, or at least past, Sunderland to get to Newcastle from Boro.

Haha I was going to mention that, the others weren't too happy when she admitted it, according to her being a Geordie is a "lifestyle" though :crazy:

[Vicky.]

South Shields is 2 minutes away from Newcastle where as Sunderland is a little bit further away isnt it?

I think you may find you are very much mistaken there.

Took me 40 mins on the metro to get to shields :laugh: Takes about 20-30 mins by car as far as I am aware, though I have never counted.

And Jay isnt from Sunderland.

[Pyramid*]

He HAS been 'economical with the truth' about having nothing etc.

But not (as far as we can tell without knowing his full address history since birth) about actually being a geordie...

Okay. that sound feasible!

BTW Mumbles: Smoggy? That's a new one - I'm scared to ask about that through fear of it starting off again.

[Vicky.]

Smoggy = teeside

[Pyramid*]

Lol. consider me over it. I do now know where Pontlottyn is though (it's near Cardiff apparently) so it's not been a totally wasted afternoon. :)

:laugh2:

But true.

[Pyramid*]

Smoggy = teeside

Ah..., thanks! I'm not going to ask for clarification as to that being as in Tyne and Wear......... I'm not doing it. Not going there. Nope. Not been drawn into it.

The one thing that this has been great for: is how people do view where they live and seeing all the different opinions etc.

Now....shall we tackle Cockney's? Just for sheer hell of it?

nah... maybe not.

[Vicky.]

Ah..., thanks! I'm not going to ask for clarification as to that being as in Tyne and Wear......... I'm not doing it. Not going there. Nope. Not been drawn into it.


:laugh2:

I dont actually know much about Teeside (Im a terrible north east person :D )

But I think its a county...Durham, Tyne And Wear, Teeside... My sisters boyfriend reckons hes a smoggy and hes from Middlesborough.

All the different names confuse me a lot at times. :joker:

[Mumbles]

Okay. that sound feasible!

BTW Mumbles: Smoggy? That's a new one - I'm scared to ask about that through fear of it starting off again.

A Smoggy (or Smog Monster) is the name given to those from Middlesbrough, due to the neaby ICI chemical works that casts a cloud of horrible smog over the town when the wind blows the wrong way. I lived there for nearly a year and some mornings I'd wake up with a layer of grey dust covering everything if I'd left the bedroom window open. Horrible, place. When Sunderland used to play Boro, some fans would turn up in full chemical warfare suits to take the mick. :)

[Pyramid*]

:laugh2:

I dont actually know much about Teeside (Im a terrible north east person :D )

But I think its a county...Durham, Tyne And Wear, Teeside... My sisters boyfriend reckons hes a smoggy and hes from Middlesborough.

All the different names confuse me a lot at times. :joker:

Unfortunately.... I know the drive down there all to well..... can do it with my eyes shut just about.

The Scotch corner hotel gives me that false sense of belief I've only got a wee half hour to go before I'm nearly home, when it's about 5 times that.

[Pyramid*]

A Smoggy (or Smog Monster) is the name given to those from Middlesbrough, due to the neaby ICI chemical works that casts a cloud of horrible smog over the town when the wind blows the wrong way. I lived there for nearly a year and some mornings I'd wake up with a layer of grey dust covering everything if I'd left the bedroom window open. Horrible, place. When Sunderland used to play Boro, some fans would turn up in full chemical warfare suits to take the mick. :)

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[MachoPoodle]

Quite educational, this thread. Never thought I'd learn this much geography on this forum. :hugesmile:

I gotta say though, as far as the humble background is concerned, do we really know anything about how Jay grew up? One way or the other? If he started working at 15, there were probably an economical reason behind it. A lot of years have passed since then, so what he has and how he lives now doesn't really change anything.

I also find it a bit strange that some seem to automatically view having a company as posh. I used to have one, and never have I been so poor as during that time. Long hours, never able to put aside even the equivalent to minimum pay for myself, and certainly nowhere near as much as I would've gotten working all those hours somewhere else. Granted mine was small, but even middle sized companies can sometimes struggle.

[BBfan6418]

Quite educational, this thread. Never thought I'd learn this much geography on this forum. :hugesmile:

I gotta say though, as far as the humble background is concerned, do we really know anything about how Jay grew up? One way or the other? If he started working at 15, there were probably an economical reason behind it. A lot of years have passed since then, so what he has and how he lives now doesn't really change anything.

I also find it a bit strange that some seem to automatically view having a company as posh. I used to have one, and never have I been so poor as during that time. Long hours, never able to put aside even the equivalent to minimum pay for myself, and certainly nowhere near as much as I would've gotten working all those hours somewhere else. Granted mine was small, but even middle sized companies can sometimes struggle.


Agree, All the speculation came about because of a link to his moms employment that only dates back to 2003 or so. Amazing the crap people can come up with, with so little information.

[Pyramid*]

Quite educational, this thread. Never thought I'd learn this much geography on this forum. :hugesmile:

I gotta say though, as far as the humble background is concerned, do we really know anything about how Jay grew up? One way or the other? If he started working at 15, there were probably an economical reason behind it. A lot of years have passed since then, so what he has and how he lives now doesn't really change anything.

I also find it a bit strange that some seem to automatically view having a company as posh. I used to have one, and never have I been so poor as during that time. Long hours, never able to put aside even the equivalent to minimum pay for myself, and certainly nowhere near as much as I would've gotten working all those hours somewhere else. Granted mine was small, but even middle sized companies can sometimes struggle.

I don't deny any of what you have put forward, as some or indeed, all of it could indeed apply. Harry (apparently) set up his first Company at 17 years old (IIRC) with a mere £100. (that's another story altogether - Blake's Concierge.com)

However. Jay stated that he really could not read or write well. (let's say that was due to dyslexia). he also said he hated school.

Bear with me here.

Here's the link to his parents' website - and below, a brief extract from it.

http://www.goodlifehomes.co.uk/aboutus.html

The Good Life Group of Companies are owed by husband and wife, Sue and Dean Harding and Steve Neil. Good Life was established in 2000, initially as a specialist mortgage and finance broking business.

In 2003, we opened our first estate agency office covering Sunderland City area. Our objective was simply to treat people in the way we would expect to be treated ourselves and to modernise the marketing techniques used within, what we felt, was a tired estate agency industry

We expanded into new premises on Ryhope Road in January 2006 and established ourselves as one of the three largest estate agents in the area fairly quickly and the leading agent in the City for service, approachability and professionalism.

In February 2007 we opened our second office in Whitburn Village which gave us a balanced presence for residential sales north and south of the City and along the coast from Roker, to Whitburn and Marsden and inland to Harton, Cleadon and Boldon.

.

Jay is 27. They established the company in 2000, 11 years ago when Jay was 15/16 (depending on the month of business start up/his birthday). I'd say it was a higher probability that that was the reason he started work at aged 15.

Since then, since 2000, they have their intial company, and now have a group of companies, and have expanded.

Now, I will not say that that is not a faboulous achievement, because it is.

But to pretend that his lifestyle and background (since he was 15 - ie; when the parents first set up shop), has been very humble: very much suggests to me, that THAT was where he may have started work - and he has been very selective in making no reference to how well his family have done for themselves.

Not saying it is, but I think highly probable. The remaining years since then, the company and the family have flourished.

All this was never ever mentioned by Jay - certainly not as far as HL's was concerned, nor from what any of the housemates perception of Jay - again, since not one of them referred to it in HLs. Now either Jay kept that all quiet, or BB kept it quiet.

[exoticrosebud]

>>>> Is from near Birmingham....and id rather cut my throat than be called a BRUMMIE !! Lol.....have never and never intend to speak like Tom.....am rather posh actually...well..not posh exactly....not so drug up as some lol..

[Pyramid*]

>>>> Is from near Birmingham....and id rather cut my throat than be called a BRUMMIE !! Lol.....have never and never intend to speak like Tom.....am rather posh actually...well..not posh exactly....not so drug up as some lol..

Let me get this right. If I called you a Brummie, you'd cut your throat? does that mean that I get some nice buds to fill me vases with?....:flowers:

[exoticrosebud]

Let me get this right. If I called you a Brummie, you'd cut your throat? does that mean that I get some nice buds to fill me vases with?....:flowers:

bloody typical !! i aint even gone yet and somebody wants me bits !!! hmmm! cheek ! lol....

[Pyramid*]

bloody typical !! i aint even gone yet and somebody wants me bits !!! hmmm! cheek ! lol....

Hey..... if you don't ask....ye don't get.

:hmph:

[MachoPoodle]

However. Jay stated that he really could not read or write well. (let's say that was due to dyslexia). he also said he hated school.

What does that have to do with anything? :conf:


Jay is 27. They established the company in 2000, 11 years ago when Jay was 15/16 (depending on the month of business start up/his birthday). I'd say it was a higher probability that that was the reason he started work at aged 15.

Since then, since 2000, they have their intial company, and now have a group of companies, and have expanded.


I've already looked at that site when the link was first posted. You're leaving out some parts. Sue didn't join the company until 2003, and there are 3 owners, not just her and her husband. It also does not say anywhere that Jay has any involvement in this business, so it doesn't really mean anything when it comes to him, this is his mum's livelihood, not his.

Unless you've got some real financial reports to go on, you can't really know how well the company is actually doing. On their own site they're bound to blow their own trumpet, all companies do. If it is going well, one reason may actually be that they concern themselves more with investing in it than they do withdrawing large piles of money from it.

But all that aside, I think anyone who grew up very modestly would claim they had a humble background. We barely had food on the table sometimes when I was a kid (raised by a single mum), and although my mum re-married when I was 13 and could live quite well from then on (compared to what had been before), I'd still say I come from a humble background. It shapes you as a person.

[Pyramid*]

What does that have to do with anything? :conf:



I've already looked at that site when the link was first posted. You're leaving out some parts. Sue didn't join the company until 2003, and there are 3 owners, not just her and her husband. It also does not say anywhere that Jay has any involvement in this business, so it doesn't really mean anything when it comes to him, this is his mum's livelihood, not his.

Unless you've got some real financial reports to go on, you can't really know how well the company is actually doing. On their own site they're bound to blow their own trumpet, all companies do. If it is going well, one reason may actually be that they concern themselves more with investing in it than they do withdrawing large piles of money from it.

But all that aside, I think anyone who grew up very modestly would claim they had a humble background. We barely had food on the table sometimes when I was a kid (raised by a single mum), and although my mum re-married when I was 13 and could live quite well from then on (compared to what had been before), I'd still say I come from a humble background. It shapes you as a person.

I think it's very clear what it has 'to do with anything'. I made it very clear in my earlier post why it may have everything to do with him starting work at 15.

I'm entitled to give my opinion - as are you, and I have given it, and very plausible reasons why I have the opinion I have.

[exoticrosebud]

stop !!!! DONT GO OFF THE TOPIC !! where am i......what thread am i in......spinning dizzly round room........hellllllllllllppppp !!

[MTVN]

What does that have to do with anything? :conf:



I've already looked at that site when the link was first posted. You're leaving out some parts. Sue didn't join the company until 2003, and there are 3 owners, not just her and her husband. It also does not say anywhere that Jay has any involvement in this business, so it doesn't really mean anything when it comes to him, this is his mum's livelihood, not his.

Unless you've got some real financial reports to go on, you can't really know how well the company is actually doing. On their own site they're bound to blow their own trumpet, all companies do. If it is going well, one reason may actually be that they concern themselves more with investing in it than they do withdrawing large piles of money from it.

But all that aside, I think anyone who grew up very modestly would claim they had a humble background. We barely had food on the table sometimes when I was a kid (raised by a single mum), and although my mum re-married when I was 13 and could live quite well from then on (compared to what had been before), I'd still say I come from a humble background. It shapes you as a person.

Good post :thumbs:

[BBfan6418]

I think it's very clear what it has 'to do with anything'. I made it very clear in my earlier post why it may have everything to do with him starting work at 15.

I'm entitled to give my opinion - as are you, and I have given it, and very plausible reasons why I have the opinion I have.


Not plausible if sue didn't go over to the company until 2003. Jay would have been 18-19 at the time. Unless your suggesting Jay started the company at 15 in 2000 and got it up and running for his mother to take over in 2003.