Europe : Euro Crisis & Greece Votes (17th) & Spain

[arista]

The PM just spoke Live on Worldwide Media.

The Veto was justified as they (Germany/France)
want UK out of their way
while the 27members split into 17members tighter control Euro Club.


The PM is glad we are not in the Euro
as those nations in the New 17 Euro section
will have to go under a single control on more areas.

Of Course the 17 New Deal Nations can still fall into the Sea
and at least we in the UK will not be Dragged down with them
as its the Euro that can Crash.


Sorry Eire
but you were tricked into the Dodgy Euro,


Many want to Vote on this in the UK
but the PM will not allow that - and thats good.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/08/article-2071356-0F1BA5AF00000578-725_634x286.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/12/8/1323385639382/Steve-Bell-9.12.2011-002.jpg
The Great Artist Steve Bell.

Ref : SkyNewsHD,
Bloomberg, CNBC, BBCNews, and FoxBusiness News.


Sign Of The Times



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I changed the title : Same Greece problem

[joeysteele]

At some point in the future though, the UK has to have its voice heard again on the European issue, it has to be debated with the UK citizens not just telling them what is going to be.

One of the problems is that Govts believe,only from polling,that the British people are against being in Europe or at least most things EU, no party wants to be the one that really badly collides with the EU and on its own causes full dysfunction with the EU, so it has to come one day that the British people are consulted on the European issue,only then after a long and well informed debate 'with' the people can future Govts then truly act in accordance with the UKs voters wishes as to all things EU.

This PM is hampered badly as to the EU by the Lib Dems, this is not strong Govt at all, yes they have the numbers when they agree on what will be voted for in the commons but a main part of the Govt and the PM having to constantly consult and look over their shoulders at the smaller part of the coalition doe not make strong Govt, in fact it makes for weaker Govt.

The EU problem is not going to go away, it will re-surface year on year, sadly this Govt. cannot effectively act as to the EU crisis and future problems because there is so much internal division in the coalition Govt. as to all things EU connected.

Most of the Conservative party have the right idea as to Europe and our relations with same, Labour is all over the place still on it and the Lib Dems will do anything to pacify Europe.
Fight an election now on the issue with promised referendum on the matter and Cameron could get a surprise win I think, however he has sold away, for the support of the Lib Dems,his right to call an election now before May 2015, the problem is not just with the EU as to losing rights and true democracy, that problem is more at home in the current Lib Dem party who have one aim only, to be in Govt in some way for the maximum time they can this Parliament.

[arista]

Of Course the EU is not going away
it is going to have 17 nation remix
that can still sink in sea.


The French can get Stuffed

[Kazanne]

Good on David Cameron on his stance on this.

[arista]

Good on David Cameron on his stance on this.


Yes far better than New Labours Brown
who would have sold us down the sewer
at this event,

[Niamh.]

Sorry Eire
but you were tricked into the Dodgy Euro,

You can say that again Arista :bored:

[Livia]

....Fight an election now on the issue with promised referendum on the matter and Cameron could get a surprise win I think, however he has sold away, for the support of the Lib Dems,his right to call an election now before May 2015....

Firstly - NO! Please don't have them call a general election, I've not totally receovered from the last one yet!

There wasn't a promised referendum on the EU Constitution by the Tories. Well before the last election they promised a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. By the time they got into power, the Lisbon Treaty had already been ratified so holding a referendum would have been a very expensive but totally pointless exercise.

David Cameron seems to have done the right thing by this country last night. However, one swallow does not a summer make. It isn't enough to fight a general election on, in my opinion.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/09/article-2072061-0F1DAC4800000578-377_634x352.jpg
The French Leader Refused to shake hands with our PM

France Bollocks to You

[Livia]

The French Leader Refused to shake hands with our PM

France Bollocks to You

Awww I bet he stamped his little foot.

Pillock.

[Scarlett.]

Ya know what, well done Cameron, I'm a Labour voter usually but no Labour PM would have had the balls to basically stick the middle finger upto France and Germany.

[Shasown]

Ya know what, well done Cameron, I'm a Labour voter usually but no Labour PM would have had the balls to basically stick the middle finger upto France and Germany.

It wasnt the middle finger, it was the old english two fingers, used to give it to the frenchies in the hundred years war you know, they bloody hate it the french, english archers and all that what ? Pip pip!!

[Scarlett.]

It wasnt the middle finger, it was the old english two fingers, used to give it to the frenchies in the hundred years war you know, they bloody hate it the french, english archers and all that what ? Pip pip!!

Haha :hugesmile:

[arista]

Ya know what, well done Cameron, I'm a Labour voter usually but no Labour PM would have had the balls to basically stick the middle finger upto France and Germany.


Yes hated Labour Leader Miliband
keeps going on today saying - What has he Done? Blah Fecking Blagh....
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgIGgh7FcmSUENL7AIjWyTgyi5L3orc Diyau6EeH9qRBWLjZ1cQA
Your Future, Milliband is Tied to Browns Europe Mess


Enough is Enough
you German Pig and French Onion Rotten Stinkers,
Sink and do not drag us with you.

They are even now trying to get Greece Expelled.




I was up Early this morning
this was Bliss to hear it all Live Uncut.


Even Capt. Remy of TIBB hates that Fecking Deadly Euro.

[Scarlett.]

The Euro was undoubtable the most stupid idea ever, imagine Europe today if the Euro didn't exist

[arista]

The Euro was undoubtable the most stupid idea ever, imagine Europe today if the Euro didn't exist



Corruption
but it helped Germany Alone get Rich
she does not inform her people that.

For Example
Switzerland is not in the Euro
and yet it trades well.


If Labour keep going on and on about there vision of Europe
then voters could hate them even more.
Last Night on Question Time the Puplic got Angry at the current Labour Leader.


Of Course many Labour Gravy Train Euro Jobs are in a Panic.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/09/article-2071952-0F1CF8A600000578-514_634x735.jpg

[joeysteele]

Firstly - NO! Please don't have them call a general election, I've not totally receovered from the last one yet!

There wasn't a promised referendum on the EU Constitution by the Tories. Well before the last election they promised a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. By the time they got into power, the Lisbon Treaty had already been ratified so holding a referendum would have been a very expensive but totally pointless exercise.

David Cameron seems to have done the right thing by this country last night. However, one swallow does not a summer make. It isn't enough to fight a general election on, in my opinion.

I think the Conservatives could do better than even they think in an election,exposing the weaknesses of Labour and also getting free from the Lib Dem parasites.

However, I take on board your points,I fully agree with the Conservatives and you yourself that a referendum on the Lisbon treaty would have beem pointless by the time they came into office.

I don't think time is going to be kind to the coalition Govt. Their aims not met by the time the next election comes around.

However,as I said, I still believe the European issue needs to be resolved with some endorsement from the British people, not an assumed but a known endorsement.
In any event, this Parliament has to run until 2015 anyway now, Cameron cannot call an election so my point as to an election now was a vain hope of one.

I fear the next election will see Labour take power again,I do feel the best chance for the Conservatives is the next 6 months or so,a referendum on European issues would go a long way to hauling voters back in.
By 2015,the problems and hardship in force over the next 3 years will only ensure a backlash against the coalition,hopefully though it will see the Lib Dems reduced to less than 20 seats.

[arista]

"I fear the next election will see Labour take power again,"


But at this Time the Leader of Labour is Hated by Labour Voters
in a big way.


2015 is far away
lets see if Labour change their bad leader first.

[joeysteele]

"I fear the next election will see Labour take power again,"


But at this Time the Leader of Labour is Hated by Labour Voters
in a big way.


2015 is far away
lets see if Labour change their bad leader first.

Sadly though arista, as I have learned from watching old elections and also talking to people a lot older than myself who have seen many changes of Govts; sometimes it doesn't matter who is leader of a party, also usually it is Govts. who 'lose' elections not oppositions who 'win' them.

From history and all I have heard and read,Margaret Thatcher was a hated leader as opposewd to James Callaghan but she won an election and more of them too, Ted Heath was far more disliked than Wilson but beat Wilson in 1970 just to give 2 instances.

This Govt is going to be solely judged on the economy and the deficit reduction promise, all pundits and economists now say they have no chance to succeed there by the next election or even 2 years beyond it.
Europe may be the only saving grace the Conservatives can haul in support for.

If that is the scenario at the next election and nothing much has even been achieved further as to the EU issue,then sadly in my view at this time, it won't matter who is leading Labour, they will stay ahead in the polls as they are at this time, the problem is that it will be by 2015 a more cemented lead and no matter who leads them they will likely scrape in.

I am not a Conservative, I have no party allegiance at all,if I was the Conservative leader at this moment. though I would be capitalising on the EU issue which is one of the few areas that the Conservatives have the overwhelming support likely of voters on.
Politics is about lost chances and bad timing, had Gordon Brown called an election not long after he became PM, he would have likely got back in albeit with a further reduced majority.

The economic state we are in at this time and the reformation of the EU in the pot too is likely the best it will get for the Conservatives and I fear this will go down in history as another political opportunity missed,another bad judgement also from the PM too that has allowed the Lib Dems to make it that he cannot call an election at a time of his choosing,it has to be May 2015.

Sieze the day, worry about the years later.

[Livia]

I don't agree joey. Eighteen months into a term is just too soon. There are no plans, as far as I know, for the Conservatives to call a snap election even if the LibDems were in agreement. Plus all the time that Labour have Miliband as leader, he's more or less the greatest weapon the Tory's have.

Having said I don't agree... a couple of great posts joey. Eloquent and well thought-through arguments.

[joeysteele]

I don't agree joey. Eighteen months into a term is just too soon. There are no plans, as far as I know, for the Conservatives to call a snap election even if the LibDems were in agreement. Plus all the time that Labour have Miliband as leader, he's more or less the greatest weapon the Tory's have.

Having said I don't agree... a couple of great posts joey. Eloquent and well thought-through arguments.

Oh I agree with you as well overall,I love our mini debates on here. I just think from my perspective that this may be the only good time for the Conservatives to come for a long while.

I am fully aware that no election is even planned or could be called anyway with the new rule that has been applied to this parliament.
Which I am sure you know is that 55% of MPs would have to vote for an election for one to be called and failing that, the PM cannot himself call one until May 2015 under the Lib Dems proposals put in place earlier.

I understand and again I am sure you will know if I am right or wrong on this, that the Lords agreed to support those measures but only for this parliament and so not make it binding on future Govts or Prime Ministers.

I agree Miliband may be a liability to Labour but once over this intricate crisis, it would not surprise me for Labour to change their leader again,3 years is a long time indeed in politics and if Labour is given enough time it could well work more in their favour than for the Conservatives.

[Livia]

Do you want a job, joey? You'd be a shoe-in. I work with people who aren't as in touch with this stuff as you are.

[joeysteele]

Do you want a job, joey? You'd be a shoe-in. I work with people who aren't as in touch with this stuff as you are.

:joker:You are very kind Livia, who knows after I finish Uni.:joker:

[MTVN]

I'm not sure if it is the right move from a pragmatic point of view, but I do hold a smidgen of respect for him for standing up to Sarkozy and Merkel and living up to his word

Ah well, we might have lost the support of the Eurozone but at least we can rely on Hungary!

Edit - Oh I've just realised that they haven't vetoed it as was earlier thought, but they're referring it to their Parliaments along with Sweden and the Czech Republic, it really is just us atm then :p

[lostalex]

The EU is basically on par with the AU(african union) at this point. It's just a bunch of politicians trying to save face with their electorates by acting tough within this toothless organization.

[lostalex]

I'm not sure if it is the right move from a pragmatic point of view, but I do hold a smidgen of respect for him for standing up to Sarkozy and Merkel and living up to his word

Ah well, we might have lost the support of the Eurozone but at least we can rely on Hungary!

Edit - Oh I've just realised that they haven't vetoed it as was earlier thought, but they're referring it to their Parliaments along with Sweden and the Czech Republic, it really is just us atm then :p


ummm he stood up to them??? no he didn't, he just walked away. how is that standing up??? lol

"standing up to them" would mean he actually had some kind of power and leadership or atleast the slightest bit of INFLUENCE over the whole thing... clearly that is not the case...

[arista]

I'm not sure if it is the right move from a pragmatic point of view, but I do hold a smidgen of respect for him for standing up to Sarkozy and Merkel and living up to his word

Ah well, we might have lost the support of the Eurozone but at least we can rely on Hungary!

Edit - Oh I've just realised that they haven't vetoed it as was earlier thought, but they're referring it to their Parliaments along with Sweden and the Czech Republic, it really is just us atm then :p

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And the the Guardian views it like this

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Dec/Week2/16127360.jpg


Markets work in the UK on a International Basis
which includeds Europe.


Even LibDem Clegg said the PM
went with a fair deal but the Euro New Gang do not want the UK.

Well French Frogg and German Sausage - Up Yours, I tell you.

[Scarlett.]

Sarkozy did not refuse shaking Cameron's hand

lN_djN8wZJg

[arista]

"Sarkozy did not refuse shaking Cameron's hand"

On that Video he Did Not Shake Hands

[Scarlett.]

Because he was already shaking hands with another guy, and Cameron didn't even go for a handshake

[arista]

Because he was already shaking hands with another guy, and Cameron didn't even go for a handshake


But in other places the French Onion Seller
could have shaken his hand.


But the Stinking French and German
were ready to set us afloat.

Which is great as we have been Polluted by Euro Corruption
from the former New Labour power.

Of Course in Secret
the PM and the French Leader get on well.
But the French Leader has a Election and it looks great when he snubs the UK PM.
And the Euro Nations in trouble are in need of Massive Loans
which Germany seems to think it can wait 5 years for that.


And on Friday 3 French Banks were Downgraded
those in the markets are well aware of this.

[MTVN]

ummm he stood up to them??? no he didn't, he just walked away. how is that standing up??? lol

"standing up to them" would mean he actually had some kind of power and leadership or atleast the slightest bit of INFLUENCE over the whole thing... clearly that is not the case...

You do realise that both Sarkozy and Merkel have been meeting with Cameron over the last few weeks, intent to try and persuade him of the treaty's merits? Clearly they hoped, and expected, him to vote in favour of it, him vetoing is a big kick in the teeth to them

[Livia]

You do realise that both Sarkozy and Merkel have been meeting with Cameron over the last few weeks, intent to try and persuade him of the treaty's merits? Clearly they hoped, and expected, him to vote in favour of it, him vetoing is a big kick in the teeth to them

I fear you are wasting your well-informed breath, MTVN.

[MTVN]

I fear you are wasting your well-informed breath, MTVN.

I may well be :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

bOgtEBhV4DE

[arista]

Nigel is Not in Power of the UK
so not a problem.


Today in America the IMF Woman
said no Nation in immune
from the Euro Crisis - We know that honey.


But France is now due to lose its AAA rating soon
So Sarko (who could lose his election) - Do not be Rude about Our PM

[Shasown]

..The Czech Republic and Hungary have said they will not sign the new European Union pact unless tax harmonisation plans are dropped.

The announcement comes less than one week after the EU summit hailed as bringing unity to all but one of its member nations.

In Brussels, 26 of the 27 members of the EU backed new fiscal rules to keep budgets in line, with only the UK abstaining.

Neither Hungary or the Czech Republic uses the euro, and tax harmonisation plans were not explicitly discussed as part of the changes at the summit.

Nonetheless Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban and his Czech counterpart Petr Necas said they wanted to take active roles in negotiations, adding they are concerned the pact may take away their independence on tax policy.

Mr Necas said: "We support the solutions which result in the stabilisation of the eurozone.


"But we are convinced that tax harmonisation would not mean anything good for
us."

Stock markets dipped following the news, but the major European indices remained in positive territory.

Sky's economics editor Ed Conway said the announcements from Budapest and Prague underlined the fact that Britain was not the only nation uncomfortable with the treaty - and that it is not a done deal yet.

"It's not just those two countries that have issues with it," he said.

"Whether you look across at Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Ireland - a number of countries' representatives have gone back to their parliaments and have examined what's in front of them and have said they're not 100% pleased with what they've signed up to in some cases."

Negotiations are due to continue until March, with the next EU summit expected at the end of January or early February.


Meanwhile, the eurozone is likely to slip back into recession next year, according to a report by Ernst & Young.

The audit firm said it expects the economies of the 17 member countries to shrink in the first two quarters of 2012.

The report predicts growth of just 0.1% for the whole of the year and warns unemployment in the eurozone is unlikely to fall below 10% before 2015.

The warning was backed up by economic data from Markit suggesting output continued to contract across the 17-nation bloc over the past month.

Although the headline Purchasing Managers Index (PMI) figure rose slightly, at 47.9 it remained below 50 which separates economic growth from a slowdown.

The survey compiler said the slight improvement was down to strength in France and Germany, with peripheral eurozone economies still struggling.


"The reforms agreed at the summit on December 9 were a step in the right direction and the response seems to have been mildly positive," Ernst & Young said.

It added: "Investors remain very concerned about the commitment and ability of eurozone governments to implement reforms quickly."

However, the leading economist and chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management has expressed his confidence in the single currency.

Jim O'Neill told Sky's Jeff Randall Live that European leaders would not give up easily, despite the continuing crisis in the eurozone.

Meanwhile, the head of Britain's armed forces, General Sir David Richards, has said the eurozone crisis is of "huge importance" to defence chiefs as well as the City.


In a lecture to the Royal United Services Institute in London, he said: "I am clear that the single biggest strategic risk facing the UK today is economic rather than military.

"Over time, a thriving economy must be the central ingredient in any UK grand strategy.

"This is why the eurozone crisis is of such huge importance, not just to the City of London, but rightly to the whole country, and to military planners like me."

He added: "The country's main effort must be the economy. No country can defend itself if bankrupt."

Ernst & Young agreed that problems in the eurozone have impacted the UK but said the worst may be over for Britain.

Marie Diron told Sky News: "The eurozone is the main trading partner for the UK so it is in the interest of the UK that the eurozone is stable and growing and what we see is that the UK will probably see weak growth next year, although the bulk of the pain has probably already gone through."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/eurozone-heading-another-recession-055759863.html



The falling out has begun already

[arista]

"The falling out has begun already "


Yes and more to follow.
The Problem is still Greece who needs to be removed
from the Euro Club.

And the Longer they do not do that
the worse it can become.


It would send some banks down
but I say sooner is better than later.

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/12/21/1324499035848/Steve-Bell-22.12.2011-001.jpg


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02084/debt-crisis-dec-14_2084121c.jpg

[arista]

Euro on the brink: Greece WILL be forced to hold a second election as Hollande meets Merkel to discuss fate of single currency

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144714/Euro-crisis-Germanys-GDP-growth-sees-eurozone-dodge-double-dip-recession.html#ixzz1uxPwzAC7

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/15/article-2144714-11F10044000005DC-902_634x403.jpg



They are still trying to get Greece
out of the €uro without a panic.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/15/article-2144714-1318D130000005DC-763_306x423.jpg
New French President is meeting Merkel
making sure his France is protected .

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/home/interactive-graphics/igfx-eurozone-crisis

interactive graphics

[arista]

Greece is to have a 2nd Election in around 4 weeks
if a Left wing power wins it
they can blackmail Germany
by saying they will leave the €uro
unless Germany agree's to their new deal.


Of course Germany should Eject them
time will tell.


Sources: Bloomberg and SkyNewsHD

[MTVN]

I think Syriza will get into power and they'll be a bit of a stand off between them and Germany for a while; Greece will think the Eurozone can't afford for them to leave but I can't see any more bailout money being given if they reject austerity measures. Greece will probably leave the Euro by the end of the year in any case

[arista]

I think Syriza will get into power and they'll be a bit of a stand off between them and Germany for a while; Greece will think the Eurozone can't afford for them to leave but I can't see any more bailout money being given if they reject austerity measures. Greece will probably leave the Euro by the end of the year in any case


Yes they better Word it Right
As I would say No Greece
You Are Now Ejected from the €uro
Forever.

Set a Date 6 weeks ahead
allowing banks to adjust the losses.
better to be Done than let the Sinking Ship of Greece
take everyone down with them .



Also just on Ch4News Report from Greece
the locals are taking out Billions of €uro's
as the fear they not last the next 4 weeks.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/16/article-2145139-1320BA8D000005DC-581_634x278.jpg

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2012/May/Week3/16229566.jpg

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Labours Ed Balls
kept saying yesterday that our PM
should rush out to Germany.

Feck Off Balls
Our PM is on the Phone 24/7
you are the feckers that nearly got us in
the Deadly €uro.
The one thing UnElected Brown
got right - not to join the €uro.

[joeysteele]

The problem for ourselves is that if Greece really fell and was out of the Euro, that 'may' then set the precedent for other Nations such as Spain who get into deep trouble to also have to possibly leave.

That uncertainty and re-organisation will inevitably have a major knock on effect tp the rest of Europe and despite the UK not being in the Euro could badly affect us too.

Great uncertainty ahead and I now believe none of the Politicians have any idea what is likely to happen or what the real consequences wiil be for the UK.
Somehow,I hope Greece is kept on board in Europe but I also cannot see patience with Greece holding much longer.

What does happen though will for sure affect the economies of all the European Nations,as much the UK too as well as hitting other Nations too.

[arista]

The problem for ourselves is that if Greece really fell and was out of the Euro, that 'may' then set the precedent for other Nations such as Spain who get into deep trouble to also have to possibly leave.

That uncertainty and re-organisation will inevitably have a major knock on effect tp the rest of Europe and despite the UK not being in the Euro could badly affect us too.

Great uncertainty ahead and I now believe none of the Politicians have any idea what is likely to happen or what the real consequences wiil be for the UK.
Somehow,I hope Greece is kept on board in Europe but I also cannot see patience with Greece holding much longer.

What does happen though will for sure affect the economies of all the European Nations,as much the UK too as well as hitting other Nations too.


No Germany can Eject the Greece
and say no other Nation will leave the €uro.

Greece can then devalue their own money,
and be free from German Control then.

And sure other Nations
Banks will get Hurt
but they will stay alive.

Its far better to Not
to keep the Greece ship afloat
hit it with bombers.

[thesheriff443]

a bit of insider info people are working flat out printing the old currencies of the countries that joined the euro its only a matter of time before the euro collapses.

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/5/15/1337043503965/15.05.12-Steve-Bell-on-th-005.jpg
The Great Steve Bell Artist

[Kizzy]

Am I the only one to be freaked out by the collapse of the euro.. If Europe becomes fragmented how secure are we?...There is safety in numbers.

[arista]

What we need
is a News Station with a Panel
of Public People
German , Greek ,French, Spanish, Irish

And a warning Any fighting with Fists
means ejection from the panel.


Well the Bloated BBC - ain't got the balls for that.


So
SkyNewsHD , CNN, France24, Ch4news Special,
RT, Bloomberg, CNBC, Al Jazeera English, NHK World HD,
EuroNews, NDTV 24x7, CCTV News, CNC World
and FoxNewsHD
could all do this.

[arista]

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Here We Go again

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/5/18/1337380654043/Martin-Rowson-001.jpg

The Great Artist Martin Rowson

[lostalex]

The EU should sell Greece to Saudi Arabia or Turkey or maybe even China. how much do you think they could get for it? i think they could get a decent price.

Speaking of Turkey, hasn't Turkey been tryna get into the EU for a long time now? i wonder how this whole mediterranean crisis affects their chances of getting in?

[arista]

The EU should sell Greece to Saudi Arabia or Turkey or maybe even China. how much do you think they could get for it? i think they could get a decent price.

Speaking of Turkey, hasn't Turkey been tryna get into the EU for a long time now? i wonder how this whole mediterranean crisis affects their chances of getting in?


Yes no date Yet

The 2nd Greece Election holds all the keys
to then German Bank Deals
or the Entry to their bog.

[arista]

Today in Ireland they Vote Yes or No
on the EU Treaty.

If they vote Yes - they are locked in (europe bank control) hard times

If they vote No - it means they are more free but still in hard times.


and Also

Euro break-up fears escalate as borrowing costs in Spain and Italy soar

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-2152384/Euro-break-fears-escalate-borrowing-costs-Spain-Italy-soar.html#ixzz1wS6s5f3M

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/06/cameron-obama-merkel-eurozone-crisis

Cameron and Obama increase pressure on Merkel over eurozone crisis
Following phone call with US president, British PM will tell German chancellor eurozone has just weeks to act decisively

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/06/eurozone-crisis-ecb-interest-rates

Now Spanish Banks are worse than Greece.
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2012/Jun/Week1/16241982.jpg


This €uro money system can not work
One size does not fit all


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/6/6/1339022243899/Steve-Bell-07.06.2012-002.jpg

[arista]

"Debt crisis: Spain requests bailout to save banks
Spain is asking for an international bailout to rescue its debt-laden banking sector, its finance minister announced tonight, as sources suggested the package could total £81bn. "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9321157/Debt-crisis-Spain-requests-bailout-to-save-banks.html


Link for Kizzy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/09/spain-bank-bailout-eurozone-crisis


Spain has said they do not
want money from the IMF only from from the EU.

Ref : SkyNewsHD & Ch4News.

[Iceman]

They're picky about who they want to stabilise their economy eh?

[arista]

They're picky about who they want to stabilise their economy eh?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/commercial/2012/6/9/1339196664296/Martin-Rowson-cartoon-09.-001.jpg


Yes and it could change the election result this Sunday
in Greece as the left wing groups
also want that deal.

[arista]

The First Exit Poll of the Greece Election

Has the New Democracy in tiny lead.
of course the Full result is in 2 or 3 hours.

Ref: SkyNewsHD, CNN, France24, RT , BBC

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/17/article-2160530-13A7F005000005DC-858_634x444.jpg
New Democracy Wins It.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/17/article-2160530-13A63308000005DC-265_306x423.jpg
New Democracy party leader, Antonis Samaras

[Scarlett.]

I'm really uncomfortable with the way the EU is going these days, I really am starting to think we'd be better off out of it.