grace...racist?

[georgie121uk]

Its reported that grace had said the following:
grace: Aisleyen is a 'wigger', a 'wigger' is a 'white n****r', all she is, is a black ghetto hochie'
mikey: You cant say that

http://www.sky.com/showbiz/article/0,,50001-1223819,00.html

[sol]

Thats not racist, its just saying that a white person is acting like a black person, it can be perceived as racist, bit I dont think it is.

[georgie121uk]

but she is saying that white people should act in a certain way.....and the same with blck people
it doesnt make sense that black and white people should act differently as we are both the same
aisleyne is acting herself

[MarkWaldorf]

I can see how it is seen as racist but I dont think Grace meant as being racist

[sol]

Originally posted by georgie121uk
but she is saying that white people should act in a certain way.....and the same with blck people
it doesnt make sense that black and white people should act differently as we are both the same
aisleyne is acting herself

Thats exactly why I said it could be perceived as racist, but its not exactly direct racism.

[Edwin]

wasn't there a massive discussion about this a while ago..
its not racist, get over it.

[BB-Rocks]

It sonuds racist and anti Grace people will think this is racist but tis not really and thats coming from a non Grace fan

[georgie121uk]

but using the term 'white n****r' IS........

[JC]

It's ok, racism doesn't work both ways anyway.* Black people can call each other n***er with relative impunity, so presumably it's ok for white people to call each other wigger.

I mean, it's only fair isn't it?

*Which is why I believe it will always exist.

[georgie121uk]

Originally posted by JC
It's ok, racism doesn't work both ways anyway.* Black people can call each other n***er with relative impunity, so presumably it's ok for white people to call each other wigger.

I mean, it's only fair isn't it?

*Which is why I believe it will always exist.

fair point.......
which is why i put a wuestion mark after the question "grace racist..?" i see you point of view
but my personal opinon is that she isnt a racist person but i fill that that comment was racist

[Chrizzle]

Wigger isnt a racist term
Thats fact

[GlitterEyes]

I think it is possible for her to be racist, ageist and pretty much anythingist lol. With it being reported that her father was racist to police also doesn't help.

[Lance]

Every year, without fail, we go through these racism claims.:bored:

[JenA]

Whether the person is black or white, or any other race Grace must think black ghetto hochie are the worst. Im not sure but I think Aisleyne might be cultured.

[jamest519]

Of course it's racist. A ****** is a derogatory term for a black man, and she is speaking about Aisleyen in a derogatory fashion - using a modification of the term '******' to make her point.

If someone called a black man a ****** they would be called racist, so how can using or modifying the term to use against someone else in a derogatory fashion not be racist?

[stella]

Originally posted by jamest519
Of course it's racist. A ni**er is a derogatory term for a black man, and she is speaking about Aisleyen in a derogatory fashion - using a modification of the term '******' to make her point.

If someone called a black man a ni**er they would be called racist, so how can using or modifying the term to use against someone else in a derogatory fashion not be racist?

So why is it ok for 2 black ppl to call each other ni**er but when a white person does its racism???

[JenA]

just because 2 black people call each other the N word doesnt mean all black people think its ok.

[stella]

im not saying all black ppl think its ok but i tend to find the black ppl that call each other ni**ers are the ones that scream racial discrimination when they get called it by a white person

[abbashop79]

yes, calling people a w**** n***** is racist, and calling them a w***** is also racist. These terms are racist despite what other people try and fool you into believing. It does not however mean that Grace is racist, as such, she may only be 99% racist.

[JenA]

"i tend to [find] the [black people] that [call each other ni**ers]"

Isn’t that racial biased. You can’t select people within a race to create a blanket conclusion. I learned that from Social Studies class.

Grace: Aisleyen is a 'wigger', a 'wigger' is a 'white n****r', all she is, is a black ghetto hochie'

What is Grace really saying? So Aisleyen isn’t only a ghetto hochie but a black ghetto hochie. Was Grace just really angry and that’s how she made herself feel better?

Most people who are racist don’t know they are, and when they're told they're racist its really difficult for them to accept it and change.

[lambruscokid]

Originally posted by georgie121uk
Its reported that grace had said the following:
grace: Aisleyen is a 'wigger', a 'wigger' is a 'white n****r', all she is, is a black ghetto hochie'
mikey: You cant say that

http://www.sky.com/showbiz/article/0,,50001-1223819,00.html

That's close, but it's not the correct quote. The exact quote was "We're ****ing normal, and they've put in a ****ing he/she and a wigger. That's what we've got to share a ****ing house with."

It was when Sam and Ash first came in.

She never said the "N" word, but in my mind she still was way out of line.

I've gotten to like having Grace in the house more lately, but when she gets evicted, I really hope they play that quote back at her, because she needs to see what it looks like when she talks like that.

[Foebane100]

I saw a program about the N word and a young black rapper was looking into the origins of the word and why it was okay for black people to use it.
He met a historian who specialised in the slave trade and she explained the origins of the word and after the young rapper said he would no longer use it and would explain to others why he thought they should stop using it as it is derogatory and demeaning.

People shouldn't use words they don't understand and know the meaning of.

Generally people will run for the hills when someone accuses them of racism, they are so afraid of it they try so hard not to appear racist but they actually are.

[albie]

Of course it's bloody racist, Edwin. She's using black people as something that's bad.

If I called you a wigger you would assume that I thought being black was a bad thing.

I'm really sick to death of all the Grace fans excusing her bad actions.

AND I GET WARNINGS?

[Smeggypants]

Well I'm a Gracist :wink:

But wigger isnt' racist, it just describes a white person who acts like a black person.

Far too much ridiculous Politcal Correctness in here for christ's sake

[JenA]

Hi Smeggypants,

Not everyone who's name is Grace is as horrable as that Grace on TV. Please if you meet someone who's name is Grace, please give them a chance before hating them.

If wigger isnt' racist, do you think white people should only act white, (listen to white music, eat only white people food, ect)? Should black people only act as a N word?

For christ's sake I think racism is ridiculous.

[Sidrat2006]

Race is as usual being used wrongly. If Grace has an anti colour thing going on then she is being racist. The term "******" or "wigger", can be both a term of endearment and a slur. It depends how it's used, by and too whom it's being directed at.

If we remember there is only the human race on Earth (except New York taxi drivers), it comes down to a prejudicial viewpoint based on colour of the skin.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by georgie121uk
but she is saying that white people should act in a certain way.....and the same with blck people
it doesnt make sense that black and white people should act differently as we are both the same


So how do you explain 'black culture' ? Thats not a racist term. However, that is also saying that whites and blacks act in a different way to each other.

Everyone, stop being so PC. A wigger is a white person trying to fit in with black culture. That is all. There's nothing racist about it.

The way it is meant as an insult/derrogatory term is because someone is trying to be something they arent - it's not meant in a way thats slating to black people.

[abbashop79]

Originally posted by Blanket&Crib
Originally posted by georgie121uk
but she is saying that white people should act in a certain way.....and the same with blck people
it doesnt make sense that black and white people should act differently as we are both the same


So how do you explain 'black culture' ? Thats not a racist term. However, that is also saying that whites and blacks act in a different way to each other.

Everyone, stop being so PC. A wigger is a white person trying to fit in with black culture. That is all. There's nothing racist about it.

The way it is meant as an insult/derrogatory term is because someone is trying to be something they arent - it's not meant in a way thats slating to black people.


Clearly some people on this forum find the word w*gger offensive... I myself feel it is racist. Perhaps you have never been picked on for something someone else deems as a "fault", it's not very nice. I can't stand people telling me what I can and cannot be and labelling me with whatever label.

People taking liberties with foolish words like w*gger, it's quite frankly shocking, to think that people think they can use language like this without hurting people, and potentially getting very badly hurt themselves.

To anybody using language like this, .....WAKE UP, it's OFFENSIVE, some people DO NOT LIKE IT, and they MAY BEAT YOU SENSELESS FOR SAYING IT, and many including myself, would not stop them from doing this to you, because you'd deserve it.

Oh yes and if you think it's political correctness that's "trying to make" calling people names, wrong, ...think again. You just think how p.c. the punch in the face that you recieve in exchange for your insult, is. hmm.... not very p.c. after all eh?

Don't anger people unless you're willing to deal with the consequences. It really is common sense, which some of you seem to be badly lacking, especially since you're old enough to operate a computer and find this forum!

Calling people names, it's not the way forward... is it?

[lambruscokid]

Words mean nothing until they are used in context. If people percieve a word as racist, then it is.

If people started using the word "carrot" as a perjorative against a race, then it could become a bad word in some contexts.

Where I grew up, "wigger" was indeed a racist term, because it was generally used by people who thought white people shouldn't adopt so-called "black" styles of dress and speech.

You might not personally think it's a racist term, but I'd be damn sure you know who you're talking to before using it, because a lot of people are going to have a lower opinion of you if they hear a word like that. You're best off avoiding it altogether.

For that matter, why would you even feel the need to use a word that meant someone was acting "black" or whatever? Maybe it's better to have a think about why that bothers you in the first place.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by BB06
I can see how it is seen as racist but I dont think Grace meant as being racist

Not racist no, but rude and ignorant, yes.

[Bells]

Nah she's not racist.

[Foebane100]

It's just racist no matter who uses it.

It is just used in ignorance, and to copy celebs and be "cool".

It is not reclaiming it and taking it's power away it is propagating it and spreading it.

[jo_aboo]

yep she's racist :mad: and not only that but she calls other housemates "mooses" and yet fails to see her own ugliness and that of her own family...wish i could be a fly on the wall at her first night out lol

[booty-full]

Oh my god.....I hate the world today. The few Black people that do, shouldn't call each other the N word as it encourages others to use it. Political Correctness has gotten things out of hand....it's stupid. All of that aside, Grace was wrong according to the outside world. But it is so hard now-a-days to tell if something is acceptable. Some people call eachother the W word all of the time, others are offended by it. Some people likewise call each other the N word, others are offended. How do you judge it??? I find alot of things offensive that are now socially acceptable, yet I do not find children's ryhmes like baa baa black sheep and humpty dumpty offensive when the government seem to think that they should be banned. It is all so damn mixed up!!!If only none of these labels were used anymore........!!! Even if Grace wasn't deemed racist by some, what she said was still hurtful and meant maliciously so either way it can't be right??? Can it???

[Smeggypants]

Originally posted by JenA
Hi Smeggypants,

Not everyone who's name is Grace is as horrable as that Grace on TV. Please if you meet someone who's name is Grace, please give them a chance before hating them.


Don't be ridiculous :)

Of course I dont hate someone just because they are called Grace.



If wigger isnt' racist, do you think white people should only act white, (listen to white music, eat only white people food, ect)? Should black people only act as a N word?

For christ's sake I think racism is ridiculous.

I hate racism with a vengence. It's more than ridiculous.

White people can act and live black culture if they wish. I'ev had friends who did just that. Wigger is just a descriptive term. It's not derogatary.

[Smeggypants]

Originally posted by lambruscokid
Words mean nothing until they are used in context. If people percieve a word as racist, then it is.

If people started using the word "carrot" as a perjorative against a race, then it could become a bad word in some contexts.

For sure!

For that matter, why would you even feel the need to use a word that meant someone was acting "black" or whatever? Maybe it's better to have a think about why that bothers you in the first place.

What's being bothered about it ( or not ) got to do with anything?

As I said in my last post, I've had white friends who acted 'black', simply becuase they adored the culture.

Why should any descriptive word, whether that be "wigger", "carrot" or whatever, be automatically deemed a derogatory term??

[xGemmax]

I have always thought Aisleyne was a wigger but i did not mean it in a racist way - i have black friends. I mean i hate the way she always tries to act like she is from the hood - like some sort of gheto princess - i find it sooo irritating i dont know how anyone could stand her:rolleyes:

[booty-full]

lol no offence to you, and please do not take this the wrong way, but I always feel amused at the fact that when people say something about a taboo subject they always try to reinforce the fact that they aren't being racist/prejudice/sexist by saying that they have friends that are black/gay/female/male/lesbian/asian etc

[xGemmax]

Originally posted by booty-full
lol no offence to you, and please do not take this the wrong way, but I always feel amused at the fact that when people say something about a taboo subject they always try to reinforce the fact that they aren't being racist/prejudice/sexist by saying that they have friends that are black/gay/female/male/lesbian/asian etc
What im saying is that if i was racist i would not have black friends. Thats simple enough, isnt it?

[EmilyJ]

Ash thinks shes black so Grace isn't in the wrong saying this. Did you hear her last night say it was her song. When asked by lea if that was her favourite song she said well it's black!

[xGemmax]

Originally posted by EmilyJ
Ash thinks shes black so Grace isn't in the wrong saying this. Did you hear her last night say it was her song. When asked by lea if that was her favourite song she said well it's black!
God, theres actually someone here with a brain! Totally agree with you! Its only the truth what Grace said - as Aisleyene proved when she said it was her song because it was 'black'.

[Noopie]

Aisleyne likes black music... OH MY GOD HUUUUUUUUGE DEAL!!!! Why do people judge other people by what kind of music they like?

[booty-full]

lol ok but saying if you were racist you wouldn't have black friends is wrong in itself. Using your black friends as proof that you are not a racist. hmm.

Oh and someone here with a brain??? Unsure who you are referring to as I cannot see one!!