Will American celebs bother with CBB in future?

[Angus]

It's obvious to me there is a massive bias against American housemates - I doubt Ch 5 will be able to attract any big names from across the pond in future when the likes of the gobby, attention seeking, alcoholic depressive Denise can win. She's an even worse winner than Alex Reid and that's saying something:bored:

[Smithy]

Both American housemates made it to the final, even after michael was up for eviction 3 (?) times

yes, total bias against them :|

[Black Dagger]

Well Neil Patrick Harris wants to do it :wink:

Not that he will, but he wanted to xD.

[Black Dagger]

Well Neil Patrick Harris wants to do it :wink:

Not that he will, but he wanted to xD.

[Bluerang1]

They shouldn't but they will. It doesn't matter anyway. As long as they're entertaining.

[Liberty4eva]

If they're desperate enough and the price is right, sure. The price will really go up now that it's quite clear there's a bias against them.

[billy123]

A few people here act like they should win it because they are americans its pathetic they didnt win and didnt deserve to get over it.

[Niamh.]

I think the best housemate should win, regardless of their nationality and tbh some of the truly xenophobic posts I've read here tonight are really disappointing.

[Callum]

This is a fair point. There are a lot of xenophobic people in the UK who discriminate against housemates for their nationalities. They are responsible for how it all turned out tonight. Bet the BNP are pleased too that an American hasn't won the show.

Why is thread allowed to stay open yet mine was closed????

[Sophiee]

I think so. both of the american housemates made the final and survived several evictions!

[InOne]

This BB seems a really "British winner for a British show" mentality, it's ridiculous.

[Jack_]

Why are all the xenophobia threads being closed? Bit pathetic...people are entitled to their opinion. Closing the threads only adds fuel to the fire or however the saying goes...

[michael21]

It's obvious to me there is a massive bias against American housemates - I doubt Ch 5 will be able to attract any big names from across the pond in future when the likes of the gobby, attention seeking, alcoholic depressive Denise can win. She's an even worse winner than Alex Reid and that's saying something:bored:

it does not matter who win it how much you get paid

[Visage]

I don't think it's been bias at all.

It is possible that some people just don't like Michael or the twins.

Other Americans have been in the show and not won, yet they still manage to find get some in this series.

[Callum]

I don't think it's been bias at all.

It is possible that some people just don't like Michael or the twins.

Other Americans have been in the show and not won, yet they still manage to find get some in this series.

The comments on Facebook prove that there are a lot of xenophobic people in the UK who will never allow an American housemate to win this show.

[MTVN]

I hope so, they've given some great housemates over the years. I dunno, I feel this series we have seen anti-Americanism on a larger scaled, I don't seem to remember it being present against Coolio, Stephen Baldwin etc. but now it seems their nationality is something to be held against them

[King Gizzard]

Yes, I don't think they'd even do one ounce of research into what's happened before

[Visage]

The comments on Facebook prove that there are a lot of xenophobic people in the UK who will never allow an American housemate to win this show.

I don't know face book, I'm just going on what I see on here.

However that just sounds daft, but I can't really comment because I don't read what's on face book.

[Monkey Slut]

If housemates are entertaining then I don't mind where they're from. I wouldn't say "no more Irish or Welsh housemates" because Gareth and Georgia were boring. I wouldn't like people from other countries to not want to get involved because of the xenophobia from the public during this series though.

[Niamh.]

If housemates are entertaining then I don't mind where they're from. I wouldn't say "no more Irish or Welsh housemates" because Gareth and Georgia were boring. I wouldn't like people from other countries to not want to get involved because of the xenophobia from the public during this series though.

yes exactly. People should be treated as individuals, nationality shouldn't even come into it.

[King Gizzard]

It's just the new facebook culture. It's probably always been like this, we've just never had chance to see it cause social media and peoples views were never heard except the few comments the producers let to air on BBBM/BBLB etc

[Wildcat!]

Xenophobia is huge here. But the main problem is, a lot of you people dont want to accept it. i have been making the point here forever, but some of you are quick to brush it under the carpet, because no way are the uk people like that right? . When you accept that its there, you can make progress. Americans also have their issues with it, but they dont try to brush it off, because its embarrassing.

But after, this series, pretty hard to pretend it doesnt exist. Because even after some of what I have seen in the past, I have been TRUlly shocked with stuff Ive read tonight. I couldnt really comment BEing quite speechless.

[michael21]

i don't no what all the fuss is about you don't have to be British to vote

[David R]

The racism (and yes in my eyes it is total racism) towards the americans we have seen on this show both by the housemates and also on some of the discussions on BOTS I could see less of them willing to come over to be on the show.

[Jack_]

The ironic thing about all of it is that these xenophobic ***** are not welcome in this country. We are a multicultural society and anybody that opposes that or thinks it is acceptable to discriminate against anyone for any reason whatsoever can **** right off.

[US Nacho]

I'm American, and I don't feel like there's a bias towards American houseguests. The twins were just awful human beings (but great Television, good job keeping them in til the end and voting them out first on the finale) and I don't quite understand why Michael was booed as much as he was, but I don't think he should have won. I guess the same people that thought Denise would make a good winner, were the ones that didn't like Michael. I feel like if there's ever an American housemate that deserves to win and doesn't, then you might be able to make this argument, but until then, I say keep chucking them in. I at least appreciate seeing celebrities that I know who they are.

[Callum]

The racism (and yes in my eyes it is total racism) towards the americans we have seen on this show both by the housemates and also on some of the discussions on BOTS I could see less of them willing to come over to be on the show.

It's more apparant now than it ever has been before. I wouldn't blame the Americans for never wanting to take part in CBB ever again, a lot of the narrow minded public will hate them regardless of their personality.

[Wildcat!]

The ironic thing about all of it is that these xenophobic ***** are not welcome in this country. We are a multicultural society and anybody that opposes that or thinks it is acceptable to discriminate against anyone for any reason whatsoever can **** right off.

You making it sound like its imported. Its not. Its a local thing, it comes from right here.

[Niamh.]

Xenophobia is huge here. But the main problem is, a lot of you people dont want to accept it. i have been making the point here forever, but some of you are quick to brush it under the carpet, because no way are the uk people like that right? . When you accept that its there, you can make progress. Americans also have their issues with it, but they dont try to brush it off, because its embarrassing.

But after, this series, pretty hard to pretend it doesnt exist. Because even after some of what I have seen in the past, I have been TRUlly shocked with stuff Ive read tonight. I couldnt really comment BEing quite speechless.

Me too, I can't believe some of the things I've read tonight :bored:

[Jack_]

You making it sound like its imported. Its not. Its a local thing, it comes from right here.

Not entirely sure what you mean by that.

I know it exists all around the world, I just mean that in terms of it in our country...it isn't welcome here.

[MTVN]

I'm American, and I don't feel like there's a bias towards American houseguests. The twins were just awful human beings (but great Television, good job keeping them in til the end and voting them out first on the finale) and I don't quite understand why Michael was booed as much as he was, but I don't think he should have won. I guess the same people that thought Denise would make a good winner, were the ones that didn't like Michael. I feel like if there's ever an American housemate that deserves to win and doesn't, then you might be able to make this argument, but until then, I say keep chucking them in. I at least appreciate seeing celebrities that I know who they are.

Hmm I don't mind if people don't like the Twins because of their personalities but I've seen a lot of people who use their nationality against them, and this idea that Denise, Gareth and Frankie being the top 3 is somehow a victory for Britain(!) has also been said tonight, which is also ridiculous

[US Nacho]

The racism (and yes in my eyes it is total racism) towards the americans we have seen on this show both by the housemates and also on some of the discussions on BOTS I could see less of them willing to come over to be on the show.

Oh come on, it was PAINFULLY obvious that neither the twins or Michael had the slightest clue what they were doing when they went into the house. If you ever get a celebrity from America that actually knows the first thing about the format of the show or the culture surrounding it, then maybe you might have a point. But I'd imagine all they hear about the offer is "You get to go to England for 3 weeks and live in a house with other celebrities and be filmed 24/7 and get paid x amount of money. Anything beyond that is going to be lost on practically anyone from America, celebrity or not.

By the way, American is not a race. :hugesmile:

[David R]

It's more apparant now than it ever has been before. I wouldn't blame the Americans for never wanting to take part in CBB ever again, a lot of the narrow minded public will hate them regardless of their personality.

It really was so apparent especially after the pants incident (a even early on with the fighting with Micheal) that this anti american sentiment started to brew and it almost became a 'vote for a british winner or your a trator to your country' competition.

Denise winning reinforces that its right to treat people who arn't the same as you exactly as how YOU please which very insular. Her saying 'well this is how we do it where I'm from' is ridiculous, you should try and accommodate other peoples cultures and personalities. Most other housemates managed it!

[billy123]

Wheres all these Xenophobic posts? i presume lots of bans have been handed out for it?
unless of course sour grapes are affecting some peoples judgement.

The twins were bitches i didnt like them at all michael was a good housemate who finished ahead of most people in the house but was a bit grumpy which cost him votes and i wouldnt have voted for him.
does that make me a Xenophobe?

some of the slapped arse attitudes on here have been as disgusting as some of the accusations thrown around on here tonight.

[Visage]

Wheres all these Xenophobic posts?

I keep reading claims of it happening, I just haven't found any evidence so far..:laugh:

[King Gizzard]

facebook mainly, where the intellectually challenged dwell because they don't have the know how to sign up to a forum

[LessThanMe]

Lets hope they do. They should. These planks use them as a draw then paint them as villains. A big 2 fingers would be nice... then see how you do.

The favourites were obvious from day 1. Natalie got a fun task and Denise Welch was the final "big" arrival... (not the Kill Bill, Resevoir Dogs actor) the Corrie, loose women alchy. Nuff said.

[David R]

Oh come on, it was PAINFULLY obvious that neither the twins or Michael had the slightest clue what they were doing when they went into the house. If you ever get a celebrity from America that actually knows the first thing about the format of the show or the culture surrounding it, then maybe you might have a point. But I'd imagine all they hear about the offer is "You get to go to England for 3 weeks and live in a house with other celebrities and be filmed 24/7 and get paid x amount of money. Anything beyond that is going to be lost on practically anyone from America, celebrity or not.

By the way, American is not a race. :hugesmile:

All the more reason that the British housemates should be good hosts and accomodate the american personalities. The format wasnt the problem for them, it was the few insular housemates who would not except that everyone isn't like their mates down the local street or pub! Just because its OK to pull your mates pants down doesnt mean is OK to do that with everyone you have a few drinks with!

American isn't a race in the same way British isn't a race (do you know how many times this island has been invaded!) but its still considered racism when you treat foreigners in an unaccommodating way.

[LessThanMe]

*Dont i meant obviously

[Callum]

It really was so apparent especially after the pants incident (a even early on with the fighting with Micheal) that this anti american sentiment started to brew and it almost became a 'vote for a british winner or your a trator to your country' competition.

Denise winning reinforces that its right to treat people who arn't the same as you exactly as how YOU please which very insular. Her saying 'well this is how we do it where I'm from' is ridiculous, you should try and accommodate other peoples cultures and personalities. Most other housemates managed it!

Yes 100%. People were quick to defend Denise in pantsgate because of her British nature and that's when I thought she could win this. You're totally right, it did become like that and there were people on Facebook saying similar things like A vote for Denise is a vote for Britain etc. It made me feel sick. The comments only got worse from then on, accusations left right and centre of American viewers rigging the votes by using false IP addresses. People could not stomach the thought of a British person voting to save the Americans. It was utterly uncomprehensible that a person of British nationality would vote for an American.

So true and I can only see it getting worse from now on sadly. There are way too many narrow minded people in the UK who hold the view that only a British housemate should win.

[Marsh.]

Her British nature?

I sided with Denise because I didn't feel she deserved the kind of backlash she got because she didn't do what she did out of malice and apologised when she realised she'd upset Karissa. We all do stupid things when we're drunk.

It's fine to debate your point using evidence of xenophobia, but to bring up every incident that involved British and American housemates and suggest that the British party was supported on grounds of the fact that they're British is pathetic.

Apart from Jermaine and Latoya Jackson I've never liked any of the American housemates as people, does that make me a xenophobe? No. It means that all the American celebs they're signing up are people I don't like.

[LessThanMe]

So true and I can only see it getting worse from now on sadly. There are way too many narrow minded people in the UK who hold the view that only a British housemate should win.

They have to be racially abused to stand a chance. I guarantee Jade would've won had she not been... well, the real Jade. The same Jade that was a fkuking idiot in BB3.

Anyway, I was over the moon when Aaron won and that was gonna be my final series. I watched this CBB cause it was so soon after but its the same bias ****.

If C5 had their way it would've been... Katona/McKray/Welch. I see a pattern here. Well, Mr Desmond... you can shove your chavs up your a**e you utter scrotum :dance:

[David R]

@Callum

Yeah is a really sad situation when people cannot comprehend why you would support or backup anyone other than a brit.

All this sentiment kicks off them bamb the two americans go out first on final night, go figure. The way the voting suddenly swung 360 degrees in the last weeks make a mockery of the whole show. Just look how many times the twins were saved in the prior weeks and they had been just as bitchy and overconfident.

[dathadiguy]

Yes 100%. People were quick to defend Denise in pantsgate because of her British nature and that's when I thought she could win this. You're totally right, it did become like that and there were people on Facebook saying similar things like A vote for Denise is a vote for Britain etc. It made me feel sick. The comments only got worse from then on, accusations left right and centre of American viewers rigging the votes by using false IP addresses. People could not stomach the thought of a British person voting to save the Americans. It was utterly uncomprehensible that a person of British nationality would vote for an American.

So true and I can only see it getting worse from now on sadly. There are way too many narrow minded people in the UK who hold the view that only a British housemate should win.

Agreed. BOTS last night & the night before just convinced that there is something horribly wrong with this country. There was a bit where Emma Willis was interviewing Tricia Penrose (Denise's friend) and she blamed all of her friend's problems on Michael & the twins. And then at one point Pete Burns (eurrgh) just simply said 'Get the Yanks out!' to which every one in the crowd just cheered and applauded as if he were defending Britain from mass invasion. It was truly horrible.

[Jords]

£££

or should I say

$$$

[Jords]

What is all this **** about xenophobia the twins and Michael MADE THE FREAKING FINAL.

[US Nacho]

It's laughable that some people think that there are enough Americans watching (and falsely voting) to have an impact on the vote. Seriously, there just aren't that many of us. I brought it up at the last meeting and there's only like a dozen of us total.

[David R]

Agreed. BOTS last night & the night before just convinced that there is something horribly wrong with this country. There was a bit where Emma Willis was interviewing Tricia Penrose (Denise's friend) and she blamed all of her friend's problems on Michael & the twins. And then at one point Pete Burns (eurrgh) just simply said 'Get the Yanks out!' to which every one in the crowd just cheered and applauded as if he were defending Britain from mass invasion. It was truly horrible.

The way Pete burns turned on a dime really pissed me off because it you look a few night before he was loving the twins saying they were amazing serious business women and that they took no crap from anyone. Suddenly a brit gets shouted at and its get the yanks out!

Total bloody sheep, he didn't want to look unpatriotic so he changed his tune to please the audience and general public sentiment. Have some balls and stick to your conviction.

[Callum]

Her British nature?

I sided with Denise because I didn't feel she deserved the kind of backlash she got because she didn't do what she did out of malice and apologised when she realised she'd upset Karissa. We all do stupid things when we're drunk.

It's fine to debate your point using evidence of xenophobia, but to bring up every incident that involved British and American housemates and suggest that the British party was supported on grounds of the fact that they're British is pathetic.

Apart from Jermaine and Latoya Jackson I've never liked any of the American housemates as people, does that make me a xenophobe? No. It means that all the American celebs they're signing up are people I don't like.

Why are you assuming that I'm accusing you of being a xenophobe? I know you're not and it's perfectly acceptable to dislike the Americans just because you find them uninteresting but I'm talking about the people who have hate for the American housemates because of where they come from.

Lots of people did side with Denise though because of her British nature, it's the whole "she's one of us" attitude that automatically puts Denise in the right and the twins in the wrong.

[LessThanMe]

Agreed. BOTS last night & the night before just convinced that there is something horribly wrong with this country. There was a bit where Emma Willis was interviewing Tricia Penrose (Denise's friend) and she blamed all of her friend's problems on Michael & the twins. And then at one point Pete Burns (eurrgh) just simply said 'Get the Yanks out!' to which every one in the crowd just cheered and applauded as if he were defending Britain from mass invasion. It was truly horrible.

Didnt see that. How effing disgraceful.

Pete Burns... a walking barbie. Poor little thing. He's got to stay relevant somehow. Seen as the dregs of society go on that show he's right at home.

[Wildcat!]

@Callum

Yeah is a really sad situation when people cannot comprehend why you would support or backup anyone other than a brit.

All this sentiment kicks off them bamb the two americans go out first on final night, go figure. The way the voting suddenly swung 360 degrees in the last week make a mockery of the whole show. Just look how many times the twins were saved in the prior weeks.

It was the same thing when we had Coolio, and Verne Troyer. People didnt want Verne to win, he was the favorite, but everyone voted for Ulrika as the anti Verne vote.

The fact that the person who harrassed Michael for weeks, and pulled down Karissa's pants, speaks volume really.

And the anti american thing started with the face to face voting. They all gave BS reasons for the twins. I was annoyed by that, but it worked out because everone was up.

Its a shame, because this is the best series, in a long time!

[rk3388]

Americans MAke the best housemates.

To List A Few:
- Tara Reid
-Twins
-Michael
-Coolio
-Verne
-Richard (NA)
-Cairon
-Stephen Baldwin
-Dennis Rodman
ETC ETC

[Callum]

Agreed. BOTS last night & the night before just convinced that there is something horribly wrong with this country. There was a bit where Emma Willis was interviewing Tricia Penrose (Denise's friend) and she blamed all of her friend's problems on Michael & the twins. And then at one point Pete Burns (eurrgh) just simply said 'Get the Yanks out!' to which every one in the crowd just cheered and applauded as if he were defending Britain from mass invasion. It was truly horrible.

Yep the way Tricia and Pete were slagging off the Americans was disgusting. Shouldn't have been allowed to be aired. It's funny that Pete was defending the twins for most of the series but as soon as Tricia Penrose comes on and starts saying that Americans don't get our sense of humour, shouldn't be allowed on the show etc. Pete sided with her. It's the whole "she's one of us" attitude again. None of the BOTS audience seemed to disagree either which is even more worrying. Xenophobia, in particular on reality TV shows is a growing problem in the UK and it's not taken seriously.

[LessThanMe]

Coolio was a bit of a knob but it woukd'vr been lame without him. Gangsta'a Paradise is such a tune aswel. Cairon was lame tho, replace him with Darnell.

[Marsh.]

Why are you assuming that I'm accusing you of being a xenophobe? I know you're not and it's perfectly acceptable to dislike the Americans just because you find them uninteresting but I'm talking about the people who have hate for the American housemates because of where they come from.

Lots of people did side with Denise though because of her British nature, it's the whole "she's one of us" attitude that automatically puts Denise in the right and the twins in the wrong.

I didn't. Don't worry, I'm not getting personal. I'm giving reasons (my own) for why the end vote may mirror the "haters" on facebook etc. Meaning there may be xenophobes on the internet like there are a myriad of nasty people who spew venom about anyone and anything from the safety of their computers but that doesn't mean that they have any immediate bearing on the final result. There's many other reasons the vote is the way it is. The twins and Michael wouldn't be in the final if the voters as a whole were like those forumers.

Maybe we're getting more like that because of the new ways of voting online with facebook and everything but really I'm trying to say that don't be disheartened by pathetic people who's only vindication in life is the vilification and hatred of others because they really are a small, yet extremely vocal, minority.

[Marsh.]

Coolio was a bit of a knob but it woukd'vr been lame without him. Gangsta'a Paradise is such a tune aswel. Cairon was lame tho, replace him with Darnell.

Exactly, the crux of it is that the majority of the time the Americans they put in aren't likeable enough to be crowned winner.

Plus, the fact it is a British show means that statistically a Briton has a better chance of winning. Like this year 3 (or 2) American housemates with 8 or so Brits means the Americans must really stand out of the crowd in a good way. Not in an unlikeable Coolio way.

[US Nacho]

So just about every single person, celebrity or not (aside from maybe the twins) seems to say that they aren't going in the house to win, but for the experience.

Do you all just think they are all lying, or what? Because otherwise, why would the "fact" that they probably won't win change their decision to go in or not? I know if I went in, there's a 0% chance I would win, and I'd likely get in an argument with someone in the first week and be one of the first ones out, but I would still jump at the chance to go in, even for a small amount of time. Wouldn't you think that celebrities would feel the same way?

[Mac1978]

They'll go in if they're offered enough money. However I would hope that they'd get a serious warning on how different British culture is.

In America drinking is seen as the cause of bad behaviour. On the British Isles it's seen as an excuse for bad behaviour.

So if you're American you should go in, and no matter how offensive and abnormal you find the whole boozed up misbehaviour, just laugh it off and excuse it all. Do not re-act to it. If you do - you're wrong.

[vortex]

I'd even dare to say, put 5 british and add to the mix 3 americans, 2 latin americans, 2 europeans and someone from asia or australia, now that would be awesome!

[US Nacho]

I've often thought it would be great to see an international BB-All stars with housemates from all countries. I'm not sure it would be a great idea for the Celeb version though. No offense to other countries, but generally speaking there aren't too many local celebrities that are well known outside their own country (Excepting US and UK) so I think it would defeat the purpose of calling it Celebrity BB if you had people in there that were "only" local celebs.

[Angus]

Well, I've read through all of the comments and have to say that I didn't start this thread to bang on about xenophobic attitudes towards Americans. It's more that there is a kind of inverted snobbery towards Americans in particular, almost an antipathy from the moment they enter the house. They tend to be more confident and brash overall and personally I like that trait, but it doesn't seem to go down too well with the GBP. They are automatically viewed as arrogant simply because they behave as if they are in a game show and act accordingly.

I am fed up to the back teeth with people moaning about so and so "playing the game" as if it's a bad thing. For some reason, playing the game on a game show is a big no, no over here. The Americans tend to enter the house with the full intention of trying to win, whilst the Brits tend to pretend they are only there for the experience and the journey blah blah, which is total BS. Maybe therein lies the conflict, because the viewers have certain expectations of the behaviour they expect from "deserving" housemates.

It's encouraging that two Americans reached the last five, but I guarantee that if it'd had been vote to evict the Twins and Michael would have been long gone.

[crocs]

I think there should be Americans (and other nationalities as well) in in the future. The cultural differences are quite interesting and I love to see how people deal with them.

This year, I didn't like Michael's entrance at all and I thought he was going to be awful. Well, at times he was but mostly he wasn't. I'm quite intrigued by what goes on in his mind and I would have loved to hear more of it. So after the first night I started liking him but the way he continued on and on about Denise even when I thought Denise had settled down quite a lot (all in all I think Denise caused most of Michael's irritation), so he went down a bit in my books. But still, I would have liked to hear more of what went on in his mind, not about Denise that much.

Then the twins, I expected they'd be very different from me and in manner that I didn't like. That was obvious to me from the start but what surprised me was their arrogance and feeling of superiority which I cannot stand, so for me, they were even worse than I thought in the beginning. However, they had their moments but not often. :D

And I would love it Neil Patrick Harris would do it!

[SharkAttack]

The ironic thing about all of it is that these xenophobic ***** are not welcome in this country. We are a multicultural society and anybody that opposes that or thinks it is acceptable to discriminate against anyone for any reason whatsoever can **** right off.

Well said, mate. :blush::blush:

[dyfed]

Maybe the BBUK should go along the same lines as BBUSA,as they only have Americans in BBUSA ...sometimes people from over and away don't get the British sense of fun....
Well done Denise,you go girl..

[Clanger]

I don’t go on Book Face and if it’s true that there have been xenophobic posts on there then it’s not good but it’s just a fact of life. It would be exactly the same (if not worse) in any other country.

Thankfully I think the majority of us are not racist and it certainly never entered my head to even bring nationality into who I wanted to win or evict. You are always going to get small minded pond life though who will think like this but overall I think we are the least racist country out of a lot I have spent time in and that includes America.

I think however we are close enough to our American Cousins and them to us for us to have a jibe at them tongue in cheek without either side getting offended. Perhaps humour is sometimes jumped upon too quickly as being xenophobic.

I treat people as individuals. I don’t give a stuff where they are from but if they are vile like the twins I am not going to like them, end of.
.

[Kazanne]

I don't think it's been bias at all.

It is possible that some people just don't like Michael or the twins.

Other Americans have been in the show and not won, yet they still manage to find get some in this series.

Once again Visage,I agree,nothing to do with their nationality for me,i love Americans on the whole,just not all of them same as Brits or any nationality,I liked Michael,didn't like the twins,simple as.it was down to their sheer bitchiness,arrogance and hypocrisy:xyxwave: