Father posts video on daughter's Facebook about her 'punishment'

[Jack_]

This is going global at insane speeds.

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If you ask me...what started out as a video which appeared to perhaps be a video with some decent underlying message, turned into a vile display of power. He has essentially just cyberbullied his own daughter. Disgusting.

But I'll leave you to make your mind up.

[Brother Leon]

Brilliant. Epic man. She was warned for something similar before aswell.


She won't be swearing on Facebook and badmouthing her parents ever again.

[Black Dagger]

I agree with this guy to be fair.

[Smithy]

That was really really retarded shooting it, he should have just sold it.

But it's not really cyber bullying, like he said, she probably won't see it :shrug:

[Ramsay]

I think its hilarious

[Novo]

What a guy :joker:

[Roy Mars III]

It's even better that he's smoking all the way through it :joker:

[Samuel.]

Bit of an asshole tbh.

No wonder she feels the need to vent on Facebook with a dad like that.

[SharkAttack]

Completely unnecessary with the public display(shame and humiliation) and then of course the gun which was well OTT. These parents don't seem to have a grip on reality and the fact that *every* kid complains about their upbringing, embellishments or not, to their friends as they probably did when they were their age. Very much disagree with the method of communication here, even if the daughter was an idiot for using FB to air her dirty laundry.

[SoBig]

:laugh3::laugh3::laugh3:

[Jack_]

But it's not really cyber bullying, like he said, she probably won't see it :shrug:

He posted it on her own Facebook wall...

[GypsyGoth]

He is a jerk. Shooting her laptop was weird, the sooner she gets away for him the better.

[Me. I Am Salman]

ok the daughter is a bit ungrateful but that dad is overreacting like hell.

[Josy]

:laugh:

[Brother Leon]

All new fathers should be shown this video the day their baby is born.

[Me. I Am Salman]

He posted it on her own Facebook wall...

But how will she access fb with no computer :L

[GypsyGoth]

But how will she access fb with no computer :L

At school, at her friends, or at a library or net cafe.

[Smithy]

He posted it on her own Facebook wall...

She doesn't have a laptop to watch it on though :crazy:

Anyway, bullying is a repeated act, this is a one off :idc:

[Jords]

I feel really sorry for her. I have seen A LOT worse written about their parents on social networking sites than what she said. All Hannah was complaining about really was the amount of work at the end of the day - which may not be a lot 'back in the day' but times and attitudes have changed. And yes we have all gotten lazier, but thats because technology allows us and I dont think its a majorly bad thing. Kids/Teens should enjoy their lives more before 40+ years of hard work. Although some young adults do take the piss with this (y'know, the Jeremy Kyle-kind) and this guy's words would be so much more use aimed at them. Let ya daughter moan its what teens do, most of us will grow out of it Im sure!

My dad goes on and on about finding a job. And although the extra money would be nice I dont scrounge and I compensate by not wasting my cash as soon as I get it (Xmas, Birthdays, EMA, little jobbys now and then). I want to enjoy my free time when Im not at school, although with A Levels Im constantly set work and it is mentally draining and you do get very cba-attitude with it sometimes. I completely get what she means about being knackered all the time though - sixth form drains me for some reason and I nap most days after it for an hour. Never did this lower school :laugh: Some parents dont appreciate the stress/amount of work the academic route gives you mind. I know my dad doesnt hes much like that dude with the job at 11 (although he got chucked out of school) blah blah you get it easy and I just wanna say FO. He doesnt really show interest in my going to uni in September either but ah well.

tbh I do have it very easy around the house as my mum is a clean freak and everything has to be top notch :laugh: But I do have respect for all the work and keep my bedroom tidy and rinse my own glasses out and small things like that. I dont make my bed though I just fold the quilt in half because I cba as I have no time in the mornings but my mum still insists on making it and moaning about it LOL. Ill get more independent at uni but still not making my bed :hmph:

This was just humiliation and of course she'll know. All her friends will have watched it and tell her. I would not be surprised if her hate for her parents for doing this manifests and seriously damages her mental health. Clearly not needed. Just sit her down and drum in and for that post what? Ban her for a week or something. I would definitely move out if I was in her position, strict-ass parents are lame. Let us enjoy being a teen then we'll grow up k?

[Smithy]

omg jords essay much

[Jords]

am angry at that tw@

[Niamh.]

I'd be well pissed off if one of my kids wrote that **** about me on FB as well, she sounds like a spoilt brat, why is it ok for her to bad mouth him like that but it's not ok for him to defend himself? Parents have feelings too :bawling:

[Josy]

Its not cyber bullying at all, she made her disrespectful rant public by posting it on fb and so did he, I agree he could have dealt with it better than that but it's clearly not bullying of any kind.

[Jords]

All the YT comments are agreeing with him, idiots :bored:

[Bollo]

Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel to eat, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

Monty Python

[Firewire]

What a nasty man.

[King Gizzard]

Wouldn't agree with his methods but it's understandable. I would be pissed off too

[Jack_]

Yes it is cyberbullying. He has basically ridiculed and humiliated his child to the entire world. Her friends, family and a large majority of the planet will have now seen this, a lot of them calling her abusive names when they don't even know her. The thought of being humiliated like this on such a huge scale is just awful, the amount of stress this could cause a young, 15 year old girl is unreal.

I'd be very amused if she walks out and never speaks to him again, as she should do. Might sound a bit morbid but perhaps if she took her own life he'll understand how much of an overreactive, pathetic moron he has been.

[Niall]

I thought the shooting at it was going a bit far, but I agree with what he's saying in the majority of the video.

If I had a daughter and she was being a disrespectful little sh!t, then I'd probably do the same thing (well sell the computer rather than break it), because sitting around and bitching about doing a little bit of house work is nothing in comparison to what her parents provide her.

[Jords]

Its not understandable at all. Everybody has ranted about their parents. OK broadcasting over social networks is a bit twatty (well anything revealing too much of the 'drama' in your life is imo, just attention seeking :bored: but its not criminal nonetheless) but shes being made like shes the only 1 thats ever had these thoughts. Shes stressed and was probably on her period when she posted that.

And seriously think of all the innocent laptops that would die if every parent did this :sad:

[King Gizzard]

He probably tried everything else but nothing was getting through to her

[Niall]

Roflmao at the posts on his Facebook omg:

http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

[Samuel.]

The fact that he's gone to these extremes suggest there was probably good reason for his daughter to feel the way she did, and she vented. She's 15. Disgraceful treating her like that.

[Jords]

I'd be well pissed off if one of my kids wrote that **** about me on FB as well, she sounds like a spoilt brat, why is it ok for her to bad mouth him like that but it's not ok for him to defend himself? Parents have feelings too :bawling:

Any parent would but communication is the answer.

The fact that he's gone to these extremes suggest there was probably good reason for his daughter to feel the way she did, and she vented. She's 15. Disgraceful treating her like that.

:worship:

[SharkAttack]

Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel to eat, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

Monty Python

:laugh3: Classic.

[Niamh.]

Any parent would but communication is the answer.



:worship:

Sounds like he already tried that though. I know it was a bit extreme of a reaction but I can understand how hurtful and maddening it would be, when as a parent you work so hard and so much for your kids and they throw it back in your face like that.

[Jack_]

Also, his overreaction to her using the words 'piss' and 'sh!t' which he describes as 'disgraceful' language or something is totally laughable.

In fact, most of what he says was totally laughable. Full of overreactions and just an attempt for him to display his supposed 'power'.

[Jords]

Sounds like he already tried that though. I know it was a bit extreme of a reaction but I can understand how hurtful and maddening it would be, when as a parent you work so hard and so much for your kids and they throw it back in your face like that.

To me its sounds like hes stuck in the past. Hes practically bullying his offspring to be a 'better' daughter rather than using appropriate discipline. Not good parenting.

[GypsyGoth]

He knowingly invades her privacy, and then shoots her laptop. I think he shouldn't be a parent.

[Jords]

And if anything recording this video to hit back in retaliation was much more childish and doesnt set a good example at all.

[Smithy]

You're all acting like he shot her :nono:

It's nowhere near as bad as that judge guy who attacked his daughter

[Jack_]

The sheer levels of stupidity displayed in the comment sections on YouTube and his Facebook are beyond comprehension.

Thankfully, amongst all of the morons spewing their ignorant bile across these sites, there was one that was able to make me laugh:

Your daughter sucks my coq while your at work...
YourMadSon 30 seconds ago

:laugh3:

[Niamh.]

To me its sounds like hes stuck in the past. Hes practically bullying his offspring to be a 'better' daughter rather than using appropriate discipline. Not good parenting.

maybe so, tbh, it's hard to even properly judge it without knowing the girl or their situation

[Jords]

You're all acting like he shot her :nono:

It's nowhere near as bad as that judge guy who attacked his daughter

nt rly were just having opinions on whats actually been done and said by him. Nobody is saying he should go to prison or anything stupid.

[GypsyGoth]

You're all acting like he shot her :nono:

It's nowhere near as bad as that judge guy who attacked his daughter

That judge guy is scum.

This guy I think is just misguided.

[Brother Leon]

All the YT comments are agreeing with him, idiots :bored:

Because he is right.


"boohoo, mummy and daddy make me do chores"


You could have alot worse to cry about on FB you fooolish bitch I say :idc:

[Benjamin]

Legend! Absolute legend! She sounds like a right, spoilt little bitch. That should put her back into her place.

[Niall]

For those going against the father, he's posted this on his Facebook, and he's made an excellent point imo:

Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?

A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.

Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.

People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.

We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:

First: As her father, I’ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.

Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.

-Agrees in full-

[Jords]

Because he is right.


"boohoo, mummy and daddy make me do chores"


You could have alot worse to cry about on FB you fooolish bitch I say :idc:

Thats exactly right. He did all that because she didnt want to do chores, who does? And she still does them anyway even with all the moaning.


f/

Over-reaction.

[Locke.]

What a great guy :worship: Deserves a medal

[Ramsay]

I gotta admire how he doesn't pussy-foot around anything..he told her if she ****ed up and posted anything about them on her facebook again he would shoot her laptop...she posted he shot it..what a guy

[Jack_]

For those going against the father, he's posted this on his Facebook, and he's made an excellent point imo:



-Agrees in full-

That's all very well and good, however...

1) You have to take into consideration whether this deranged wanker is telling the truth, considering another one of his posts on there says that he isn't allowing his daughter to essentially 'give her side of the story' to the media. Beyond controlling if true...

2) This is only going to encourage more people to follow suit and act in the same way, with this piss poor parenting. And whilst his daughter may be fine with it...who knows, someone else might be psychologically affected by it, and who knows what could happen, suicide?

If she's cool with it, great. But that doesn't shy away from the fact that this arsehole has massively overreacted to something so very little in comparison.

[Shaun]

Eh, props to him. She sounded spoilt. Glad they've kinda resolved it - not sure making it public knowledge was appropriate, but if anything it hammers his point home about the pitfalls of social networking. Anyone can read it, and see all sorts of embarrassing stuff.

[Jessica.]

I don't think he intended it to go viral tbh, looks like it was just meant for her friends/their parents to see and it got out of hand. I think he could have dealt with it in a different way, though he must have been really disappointed after upgrading the laptop and then getting treated like that, she didn't deserve the laptop at all.

[Shaun]

-wants to shoot a gun now-

edit: not at you jessica LOL, just in general

[Tom4784]

She sounds like a spoilt brat but that was the most pointless thing I've ever seen, the man's obviously desperate for his 15 minutes of fame.

What I don't get is if you're trying to teach your kid the value of money then why spend so much on a cheap stunt? It's so hypocrtical it's unreal especially when you consider the fact that he's pretty much done, in a way, the same thing she did. Not a very consistent parent.

It's just a cheap stunt to make a quick buck and I don't respect him for that.

[Kizzy]

what kid doesen't moan about chores? you know thats what diaries were for when i was a teen...if she hid it maybe it wasn't for anyones eyes, or a private message to a friend?
what a div! feel sorry for the girl

[Benjamin]

That's all very well and good, however...

1) You have to take into consideration whether this deranged wanker is telling the truth, considering another one of his posts on there says that he isn't allowing his daughter to essentially 'give her side of the story' to the media. Beyond controlling if true...

2) This is only going to encourage more people to follow suit and act in the same way, with this piss poor parenting. And whilst his daughter may be fine with it...who knows, someone else might be psychologically affected by it, and who knows what could happen, suicide?

If she's cool with it, great. But that doesn't shy away from the fact that this arsehole has massively overreacted to something so very little in comparison.

You know, your 'serious views' would be taken a lot more seriously if you didn't feel the need to pointlessly add 'wanker' and 'arsehole' into your views. And secondly, how can you even considered calling this man's parenting piss-poor? A lot of you youngsters today are a bloody spoilt generation who expect everything for nothing. To say he over-reacted, maybe he did, but I don't believe for a second he expected it to pan out the way it did. But we don't know both sides of the story.

And you say that somebody could be psychologically affected by it, which in turn could cause them to commit suicide? What a ridiculous statement, you could apply that to anything in life that could affect somebody and make them commit suicide.

[InOne]

Tommy Jordan
PS: CBS just called and offered us our own show. The ceiling of absurdity has just been reached

:joker:

[Jack_]

You know, your 'serious views' would be taken a lot more seriously if you didn't feel the need to pointlessly add 'wanker' and 'arsehole' into your views.

And why is that? Because you've bought into the notion of such words being unacceptable? :conf:

Regardless...I included them because he's infuriated me, and I believe those words correctly describe his attitude. I'm perfectly entitled to do that, I don't see how it can weaken any argument...they're words.

And secondly, how can you even considered calling this man's parenting piss-poor? A lot of you youngsters today are a bloody spoilt generation who expect everything for nothing. To say he over-reacted, maybe he did, but I don't believe for a second he expected it to pan out the way it did. But we don't know both sides of the story.

Because it is piss poor. If you can't discipline your child the way most people do, i.e. preventing them from having access to certain things, going out etc...you know, the normal, sane way of doing things, and instead have to revert to publicly humiliating your own daughter, not only in front of her friends and family, but now in front of the entire world (whether that part was intentional or not...it still happened, and there was always a chance that it could have) and shooting bullets through her laptop (I mean...even saying that sounds idiotic) then you aren't capable of being a parent. He's an aggressive, power abusing bully as far as I'm concerned. Not only that...but he is acting like she has murdered his nan. Seriously, she got a bit frustrated with her home life, as I'm sure most teenagers do at some point...and so vented at her friends on her own personal, private Facebook about it. I'm sure most people have done such things and I doubt they mean everything they say most of the time. And his reaction to her use of words like 'piss' was just, well...stupid. The entire video seemed full of overreactions to me, culminating in the biggest overreaction of them all...taking a real gun and blasting holes through her laptop. That's just...laughable.

As for 'you' youngsters, I don't really appreciate that. I don't expect everything for nothing...just because some others may do, it doesn't mean that I do, please don't assume and group us all into one category and tar us all with the same brush. I'm actually of the belief that more people (not just children) need to learn their responsibilities as well as their rights, as in doing so we'd hopefully live in a safer, fairer community. But my views on that doesn't take anything away from the fact that this man is a lunatic. A lunatic with a seemingly big obsession with power.

And you say that somebody be psychologically affected by it, which in turn could cause them to commit suicide? What a ridiculous statement, you could apply that to anything in life that could affect somebody and make them commit suicide.

Of course you could...but the stress and humiliation that this sort of thing could cause, especially on someone as young as 15 is unbelievable. She has been ridiculed and embarrassed by her own father (someone whom she should be able to look up to and love, and be one of very few people who she could trust not to do a thing like this). Maybe it's different for different people...but for me, if this happened, I would contemplate it. Millions and millions of people posting abusive messages across the internet about me, when they've never met me? Ridiculing me and all because of the fault of my own father? I'd feel like everyone was against me...I can't even begin to comprehend just how awful it would be. Essentially, whichever way you cut it, it's just one massive case of cyberbullying. It's disgusting.

[Jords]

She sounds like a spoilt brat but that was the most pointless thing I've ever seen, the man's obviously desperate for his 15 minutes of fame.

What I don't get is if you're trying to teach your kid the value of money then why spend so much on a cheap stunt? It's so hypocrtical it's unreal especially when you consider the fact that he's pretty much done, in a way, the same thing she did. Not a very consistent parent.

It's just a cheap stunt to make a quick buck and I don't respect him for that.

what kid doesen't moan about chores? you know thats what diaries were for when i was a teen...if she hid it maybe it wasn't for anyones eyes, or a private message to a friend?
what a div! feel sorry for the girl

Pleased a few adults share this view :spin:

[Kizzy]

excuse me a moment...im just going to shoot my sons lappy then i will get jezza kyles job, result!

[Jack_]

Pleased a few adults share this view :spin:

You and I both.

The rest...well, perhaps it's best if I didn't express that.

[Benjamin]

And why is that? Because you've bought into the notion of such words being unacceptable? :conf:

Regardless...I included them because he's infuriated me, and I believe those words correctly describe his attitude. I'm perfectly entitled to do that, I don't see how it can weaken any argument...they're words.



Because it is piss poor. If you can't discipline your child the way most people do, i.e. preventing them from having access to certain things, going out etc...you know, the normal, sane way of doing things, and instead have to revert to publicly humiliating your own daughter, not only in front of her friends and family, but now in front of the entire world (whether that part was intentional or not...it still happened, and there was always a chance that it could have) and shooting bullets through her laptop (I mean...even saying that sounds idiotic) then you aren't capable of being a parent. He's an aggressive, power abusing bully as far as I'm concerned. Not only that...but he is acting like she has murdered his nan. Seriously, she got a bit frustrated with her home life, as I'm sure most teenagers do at some point...and so vented at her friends on her own personal, private Facebook about it. I'm sure most people have done such things and I doubt they mean everything they say most of the time. And his reaction to her use of words like 'piss' was just, well...stupid. The entire video seemed full of overreactions to me, culminating in the biggest overreaction of them all...taking a real gun and blasting holes through her laptop. That's just...laughable.

As for 'you' youngsters, I don't really appreciate that. I don't expect everything for nothing...just because some others may do, it doesn't mean that I do, please don't assume and group us all into one category and tar us all with the same brush. I'm actually of the belief that more people (not just children) need to learn their responsibilities as well as their rights, as in doing so we'd hopefully live in a safer, fairer community. But my views on that doesn't take anything away from the fact that this man is a lunatic. A lunatic with a seemingly big obsession with power.



Of course you could...but the stress and humiliation that this sort of thing could cause, especially on someone as young as 15 is unbelievable. She has been ridiculed and embarrassed by her own father (someone whom she should be able to look up to and love, and be one of very few people who she could trust not to do a thing like this). Maybe it's different for different people...but for me, if this happened, I would contemplate it. Millions and millions of people posting abusive messages across the internet about me, when they've never met me? Ridiculing me and all because of the fault of my own father? I'd feel like everyone was against me...I can't even begin to comprehend just how awful it would be. Essentially, whichever way you cut it, it's just one massive case of cyberbullying. It's disgusting.

Your first point about the use of your words. You want a serious debate and to be taken seriously, then don't use those words. It wasn't an attack, more advice. Your opinion will be strengthened by cutting out the swear words. Using them in a debate can come across as childish.

Secondly to your point about 'you youngsters'. I actually said a lot of, not all, meaning that there are a many number of youngsters out there who do expect everything for nothing in the society in which we live today. If you take personal insult from that comment then maybe that says more about you.

Thirdly, again you are judging his actions based on what little of their lives you have seen. You don't know more about them, you can only merely speculate like the majority of us, yet you seem to make your speculation overly bias in favour of the daughter. Children and teenagers can be one of the most testing things in the world, something that most of us do not see until we grow up a bit. But to call his parenting bad; on what grounds do you base that on other than what little you know or have read from the internet?


And lastly, anything on the internet or in real life can cause psychological trauma, stress etc. I honestly think that if anyone contemplated suicide over this then they are either being overly dramatic or are in need of serious mental help. But maybe this story will wake a lot of the world up to just how volatile and unprotected the internet really is, but I sadly doubt it will.

[Scarlett.]

The fact that he's gone to these extremes suggest there was probably good reason for his daughter to feel the way she did, and she vented. She's 15. Disgraceful treating her like that.

No it's disgraceful she's treating her father like that. He puts food on her table, and buys her a laptop and spends money upgrading it, and she can't even do chores? Good on him.

[Jords]

Shes probably not treating her father in any way, just moaning about chores and being tired all the time..............

[Scarlett.]

"Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?

A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.

Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.

People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing."


Sounds like they had and still have a great relationship.

[Kizzy]

its odd, like columbo im thinking it doesen't add up, he said i found it..if he had her as a friend (which im guessing he was if monitering her facebook ) and she posted it he would just see it... whilst if he was 'fixing' her computer and it was in her deleted or private messages... This is going to have a major effect on her school life, i hope she has a thick skin to cope with all the flack from this.

[Jords]

She blocked him seeing that post and he hacked it somehow so he could view it [hes an IT expert].

Bit creepy that he checked up on her on FB. Nobody I know does that. Seems a bit too controlling.

[Scarlett.]

She blocked him seeing that post and he hacked it somehow so he could view it [hes an IT expert].

Bit creepy that he checked up on her on FB. Nobody I know does that. Seems a bit too controlling.
Or logged off and checked her profile (If it was posted public)
Or another relative spotted it and told him

I seriously doubt he 'hacked it' and if you think he did, you know nothing about hacking.

How is he supposed to punish his daughter if grounding her, confiscating items or shouting at her doesn't get through? He admits he didn't mean for the video to go viral (he used Youtube cause FB has a rubbish player), and it's not like now that it is viral that he wants to make money from it (check his FB), he just wants everyone to forget about it. It sounds like his daughter took it very well, so good on her, the way he is raising her seems to be working fine.

Edit: And seriously? What's wrong with a father checking up on what his daughter is doing? It's more responsible than these parents letting their 8 year olds play Call of Duty online.

[Jords]

Shes 15 not 8.

[Kizzy]

I have both my 15 and 18yr old on fb and have in the past been furious with the eldest for posting on her wall about petty arguments we have had, which made me look a twonk to mutual friends and family. Yet if it was a pm to a friend i wouldnt know and not be bothered by. Can you block one friend seeing a post on your wall?

[InOne]

I have both my 15 and 18yr old on fb and have in the past been furious with the eldest for posting on her wall about petty arguments we have had, which made me look a twonk to mutual friends and family. Yet if it was a pm to a friend i wouldnt know and not be bothered by. Can you block one friend seeing a post on your wall?

I think you should all log off facebook and sort your issues out over a game of scrabble.

[Scarlett.]

Shes 15 not 8.

and? It's still his responsibility to make sure she's not getting into any trouble. This is why so many kids grow up dysfunctional, they think as soon as they hit 15-16 they're adults, when quite simply, they're not, they're still irrational and emotionally unstable until they actually mature at around 19-21.

[Novo]

Anyone got a pic of the girl in question? if she's fat she is spoilt

[Jords]

and? It's still his responsibility to make sure she's not getting into any trouble. This is why so many kids grow up dysfunctional, they think as soon as they hit 15-16 they're adults, when quite simply, they're not, they're still irrational and emotionally unstable until they actually mature at around 19-21.

And the best way people learn is from experiences and mistakes. Not by being dramatically forced - only makes people rebel against it and be more reluctant.

[Scarlett.]

And the best way people learn is from experiences and mistakes. Not by being dramatically forced - only makes people rebel against it and be more reluctant.

So we just let kids run wild, so that they learn from mistakes? No matter how dangerous and stupid they are? That doesn't sound like parenting.

[Kizzy]

inone thats an odd thing to say...care to elaborate?

[Jessica.]

-wants to shoot a gun now-

edit: not at you jessica LOL, just in general

I got to hold a gun once, when I got a tour of a police station, I went with a youth club thing and I pointed it at the lady in charge, and she started covering her face with her hand and ducking, as if the gun was loaded, there was police everywhere too, I didn't even know it was illegal to point a gun at someone..

[Novo]

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[Jessica.]

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[nicole_burks]

I don't think it's disgusting tbh.


I would never post something on facebook like that especially since my parents have a facebook.
Her dad works for an IT company it's pretty obvious she's going to get caught. She's pretty dumb for posting something like that on fb, imo.

[SharkAttack]

I got to hold a gun once, when I got a tour of a police station, I went with a youth club thing and I pointed it at the lady in charge, and she started covering her face with her hand and ducking, as if the gun was loaded, there was police everywhere too, I didn't even know it was illegal to point a gun at someone..

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x398/Sharkie_Torrential/blink.gif

[lostalex]

The girl has a housekeeper and she said "you pay someone to do it anyway, why should i have to do any chores?" That is repulsive. Sounds like the epitome of spoiled.

[Pyramid*]

I'd be well pissed off if one of my kids wrote that **** about me on FB as well, she sounds like a spoilt brat, why is it ok for her to bad mouth him like that but it's not ok for him to defend himself? Parents have feelings too :bawling:

Its not cyber bullying at all, she made her disrespectful rant public by posting it on fb and so did he, I agree he could have dealt with it better than that but it's clearly not bullying of any kind.

Wouldn't agree with his methods but it's understandable. I would be pissed off too

Legend! Absolute legend! She sounds like a right, spoilt little bitch. That should put her back into her place.

I gotta admire how he doesn't pussy-foot around anything..he told her if she ****ed up and posted anything about them on her facebook again he would shoot her laptop...she posted he shot it..what a guy

No it's disgraceful she's treating her father like that. He puts food on her table, and buys her a laptop and spends money upgrading it, and she can't even do chores? Good on him.


Agree with every single one of these comments.

Shes 15 not 8.

All the YT comments are agreeing with him, idiots :bored:

Someone is not an idiot simply because you do not agree with them. They don't share your opinion - that does not make anyone an idiot.

Yes, she is 15. Still a child. Still living under her father's roof. Still being provided with luxury items by her father, and being a spoiled selfish self centred, brat - like far too many teenagers these days unfortunately. His house, his rules - if she doesn't like it .... she can leave, roam the streets and fend for herself. Let's see how much she moans then.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Agree with every single one of these comments.





Someone is not an idiot simply because you do not agree with them. They don't share your opinion - that does not make anyone an idiot.

Yes, she is 15. Still a child. Still living under her father's roof. Still being provided with luxury items by her father, and being a spoiled selfish self centred, brat - like far too many teenagers these days unfortunately. His house, his rules - if she doesn't like it .... she can leave, roam the streets and fend for herself. Let's see how much she moans then.

It's not like she is acting so spoilt. Wow she posted a facebook status. Is that it????? Can't anyone be free to just vent their feelings? I'm sure she still gets on with her chores. We all have to do things we don't like and we are allowed to speak our mind. Its our opinion for fluff sake. Does her dad expect to be all happy daisy with it?

[Pyramid*]

It's not like she is acting so spoilt. Wow she posted a facebook status. Is that it????? Can't anyone be free to just vent their feelings? I'm sure she still gets on with her chores. We all have to do things we don't like and we are allowed to speak our mind. Its our opinion for fluff sake. Does her dad expect to be all happy daisy with it?

I guess you didn't actually listen to the difference between her gross exaggerations, and her father's side of the story........ or listen to the vile comments she made about the adults in her life.

You seem to miss the fact that it is his house, his rules. She learns to abide by them or she can walk.

She got smart mouthed again, she didn't learn from previous same behaviour - the father made sure she he wouldn't allow her access again to the equipment that he paid for. Good for him. She will learn... eventually, but she's chosing the hard route for herself.

[Roy Mars III]

Some people just need to learn respect. What he did was probably drastic and over the top but I can understand it. If I had some kid I just bought a bunch of new stuff for badmouthing me because I make her wash the dishes I'd be pretty pissed to

[Jake.]

He should try acting like a 'normal' parent if he wants to get the message across. Even if he didn't mean it, she has now got 1000's of death threats just because of a stupid stunt caused by a 'mature, loving parent'.

[Pyramid*]

He should try acting like a 'normal' parent if he wants to get the message across. Even if he didn't mean it, she has now got 1000's of death threats just because of a stupid stunt caused by a 'mature, loving parent'.

It wouldn't have happened if she'd not been the spoilt jumped up brat that she was - and if she'd paid heed to his warning. After all, it wasn't the first time she'd done this.

[Jake.]

It wouldn't have happened if she'd not been the spoilt jumped up brat that she was - and if she'd paid heed to his warning. After all, it wasn't the first time she'd done this.

I can admit I have acted spoilt at times... doesn't mean that my dad throws my phone at a brick wall. Noone knows the ins and outs of their relationship. He could treat her like sh*t which causes her to complain. We just don't know.

[Pyramid*]

I can admit I have acted spoilt at times... doesn't mean that my dad throws my phone at a brick wall. Noone knows the ins and outs of their relationship. He could treat her like sh*t which causes her to complain. We just don't know.


I doubt he treats her like sh*t. Otherwise he would not be spending his hard earned money buying her luxury items, laptops, cameras, purchasing upgrades and spending his own time upgrading ........ not quite the actions of a parent who treats their kid like sh*t really.

[Jake.]

I doubt he treats her like sh*t. Otherwise he would not be spending his hard earned money buying her luxury items, laptops, cameras, purchasing upgrades and spending his own time upgrading ........ not quite the actions of a parent who treats their kid like sh*t really.

What about the actions of uploading a video of him hulmiliating her for the world to see, where because of this she has death threats pouring out of her ears? Are they the actions a good parent?

[Pyramid*]

What about the actions of uploading a video of him hulmiliating her for the world to see, where because of this she has death threats pouring out of her ears? Are they the actions a good parent?

did you listen to the reasons he gave for him making that decision to deal with it in the way he did? I did, and yes, some may find it OTT, personally I didn't. It looked and sounded like a father who had been pushed to the limits by a facetious, foul mouthed, spoiled child.

I'd far rather see that happening than the parent lifting their hands to the child.

[Jake.]

did you listen to the reasons he gave for him making that decision to deal with it in the way he did? I did, and yes, some may find it OTT, personally I didn't. It looked and sounded like a father who had been pushed to the limits by a facetious, foul mouthed, spoiled child.

I'd far rather see that happening than the parent lifting their hands to the child.

But we live in a world were most realise that it is wrong to use violence against their kids anyways. I get why he is pis*ed. I will never deem his reaction as acceptable

[Pyramid*]

But we live in a world were most realise that it is wrong to use violence against their kids anyways. I get why he is pis*ed. I will never deem his reaction as acceptable

and I do. That's it in a nutshell.

[Ammi]

I've just watched the video...firstly I would have liked to have known more about the 'previous incident' and how it was handled by the parents, but as I don't....
I'm guessing, as dad had spent time and money on the laptop only the previous day, the daughter had posted this 'letter' before he did this......I would guess...when she was in a p*ssy mood' about something involving her parents.....that's hurtful to the parents..but...it's normal...it happens....It probably wouldn't be healthy for me to know what my kids have said about me everytime I've p*ssed them off...and I don't think it would be a good indication of what their feelings were in general. Teenagers can 'hit out' against the world sometimes...It's just a kneejerk reaction to how they're feeling at that moment.
...anyway, what she said was hurtful, spiteful, spoiled and ungrateful....yes....but in my opinion, dad totally invalidated all of this with his 'retaliation'.....two wrongs do not make a right....and he is the adult here. Imo, a young adult will never respond to being told they are disrespectful, lazy, spoiled, ungrateful etc.......but they can respond to you sitting them down LIKE AN ADULT and explaining, calmly, why you feel their actions are unacceptable and how the effects hurt others..including the 'cleaning lady'.
Tbh....he has just wiped out any sympathy I SHOULD feel for him
...I'll edit that...any sympathy I would have liked to have felt

[Me. I Am Salman]

He should try acting like a 'normal' parent if he wants to get the message across. Even if he didn't mean it, she has now got 1000's of death threats just because of a stupid stunt caused by a 'mature, loving parent'.

Exactly, he was just seeking attention. If he knows so much about computers then he would know that this would be prone to becoming viral and resulting into deaththreats. The attention seeker. Parenting skills of a doughnut.

[Ammi]

Exactly, he was just seeking attention. If he knows so much about computers then he would know that this would be prone to becoming viral and resulting into deaththreats. The attention seeker. Parenting skills of a doughnut.

Salman, I'm missing something here...where is the 'death threat' info coming from

[Pyramid*]

I've just watched the video...firstly I would have liked to have known more about the 'previous incident' and how it was handled by the parents, but as I don't....
I'm guessing, as dad had spent time and money on the laptop only the previous day, the daughter had posted this 'letter' before he did this......I would guess...when she was in a p*ssy mood' about something involving her parents.....that's hurtful to the parents..but...it's normal...it happens....It probably wouldn't be healthy for me to know what my kids have said about me everytime I've p*ssed them off...and I don't think it would be a good indication of what their feelings were in general. Teenagers can 'hit out' against the world sometimes...It's just a kneejerk reaction to how they're feeling at that moment.
...anyway, what she said was hurtful, spiteful, spoiled and ungrateful....yes....but in my opinion, dad totally invalidated all of this with his 'retaliation'.....two wrongs do not make a right....and he is the adult here. Imo, a young adult will never respond to being told they are disrespectful, lazy, spoiled, ungrateful etc.......but they can respond to you sitting them down LIKE AN ADULT and explaining, calmly, why you feel their actions are unacceptable and how the effects hurt others..including the 'cleaning lady'.
Tbh....he has just wiped out any sympathy I SHOULD feel for him
...I'll edit that...any sympathy I would have liked to have felt

Now.... given all of what you say above: that's very true -because we don't know how the previous behaviour was dealt with so I can understand why you're saying what you are, and why you feel the father was in the wrong.

Personally: I'm taking the view that since father said she'd done this before to the point that she had been grounded, had her pc taken away and had her mobile taken away: I'm inclined to take the view that the usual punishments simply are not having any real effect (otherwise she'd not have written what she did again on FB) - hence the reason that I agree with the father.

[Pyramid*]

Exactly, he was just seeking attention. If he knows so much about computers then he would know that this would be prone to becoming viral and resulting into deaththreats. The attention seeker. Parenting skills of a doughnut.

Good god. How can anyone know what will or will not attract death threats. To suggest the father has some extra sensory powers to allow him to see into the future, is ludicrious.

[Ammi]

Now.... given all of what you say above: that's very true -because we don't know how the previous behaviour was dealt with so I can understand why you're saying what you are, and why you feel the father was in the wrong.

Personally: I'm taking the view that since father said she'd done this before to the point that she had been grounded, had her pc taken away and had her mobile taken away: I'm inclined to take the view that the usual punishments simply are not having any real effect (otherwise she'd not have written what she did again on FB) - hence the reason that I agree with the father.

Yes, and I do see your stance...from the fathers viewpoint and her own facebook post she would appear to be ungrateful and disrespectful...but imo, he didn't 'address it'...he retaliated...tit for tat...it's just not a style of parenting I personally have ever found effective...and it brings him down to a teenage level himself, rather than educate her on the 'bigger picture' of what her role in the house, the family is and why it's important that she contribute

[arista]

Yes watched it FoxNewsHD



America - Land of the Gun

[Pyramid*]

Yes, and I do see your stance...from the fathers viewpoint and her own facebook post she would appear to be ungrateful and disrespectful...but imo, he didn't 'address it'...he retaliated...tit for tat...it's just not a style of parenting I personally have ever found effective...and it brings him down to a teenage level himself, rather than educate her on the 'bigger picture' of what her role in the house, the family is and why it's important that she contribute


Does this mean that you've tried it, and when you realised it didn't work - and therefore opten for alternative ways that you found were more effective. Only reason I'm asking is that if so, perhaps that was the point that the father had reached at that stage.

[lostalex]

But we live in a world were most realise that it is wrong to use violence against their kids anyways. I get why he is pis*ed. I will never deem his reaction as acceptable

wait, so you think this is VIOLENCE?? really?

get a grip.

If this is your idea of "violence" then you are a very naive and ignorant person.

[lostalex]

Yes watched it FoxNewsHD



America - Land of the Gun

Yes, land of the free. Where citizens are trusted to have the same power as the government. It's called LIBERTY. Look it up.

Or maybe you think only the government should be allowed to have weapons? Tell me how that is liberty?

[Me. I Am Salman]

Even the father thinks what he did was stupid and OTT.
Never again in my entire life will I ever do anything that garnishes this much attention, both positive and negative. - direct quote from his facebook http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

So Pyramid*, i don't know how you can disagree anymore.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Even the father thinks what he did was stupid and OTT.
Never again in my entire life will I ever do anything that garnishes this much attention, both positive and negative. - direct quote from his facebook http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

So Pyramid*, i don't know how you can disagree anymore.

[Pyramid*]

wait, so you think this is VIOLENCE?? really?

get a grip.

If this is your idea of "violence" then you are a very naive and ignorant person.

In fairness to JH95, the violence comment was in reply to my previous comment that I'd far rather see this (dad destorying her laptop etc) - than the father lifting his hands to her ...... and what you quoted there, was in reply to the 'lifting hands to her' .... I'm pretty sure anyway that's where JH95 was coming from.

[lostalex]

Even the father thinks what he did was stupid and OTT.
- direct quote from his facebook http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

So Pyramid*, i don't know how you can disagree anymore.

He's clearly apologizing for the spectacle that's been made(by the media), not for his actions.

[Roy Mars III]

Even the father thinks what he did was stupid and OTT.
- direct quote from his facebook http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

So Pyramid*, i don't know how you can disagree anymore.

He didn't think it would get attention like this, not that he think what he did is wrong

[lostalex]

In fairness to JH95, the violence comment was in reply to my previous comment that I'd far rather see this (dad destorying her laptop etc) - than the father lifting his hands to her ...... and what you quoted there, was in reply to the 'lifting hands to her' .... I'm pretty sure anyway that's where JH95 was coming from.

oh okay, i misread, thanks for clarifying.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I'm ok with you picking on me. And I'm ok with you picking on my posts, but I'm NOT ok with you picking on my kid. Yes, I've already dealt with the local police, who by the way said "From our entire department, Kudo's to you, sir."

Now I'm letting my daughter have her interview with Social Services, so they too can be satisfied that I don't yell at her, beat her, traumatize her, lock her in a closet without food, deprive her of basic human rights, make her cut the grass with scizzors, hunt for her meals in the wild with only a spork, or otherwise fail to provide for my daughter.

taken from his facebook.

see what this has all led to. social services and taunts to the kid etc.
bad parenting indeed.

[lostalex]

I'm ok with you picking on me. And I'm ok with you picking on my posts, but I'm NOT ok with you picking on my kid. Yes, I've already dealt with the local police, who by the way said "From our entire department, Kudo's to you, sir."

Now I'm letting my daughter have her interview with Social Services, so they too can be satisfied that I don't yell at her, beat her, traumatize her, lock her in a closet without food, deprive her of basic human rights, make her cut the grass with scizzors, hunt for her meals in the wild with only a spork, or otherwise fail to provide for my daughter.

taken from his facebook.

see what this has all led to. social services and taunts to the kid etc.
bad parenting indeed.

bad parenting? really? i think you mean BAD MEDIA.

[Roy Mars III]

It was a somewhat silly thing to do, sure, but he obviously didn't think it would get out of hand. Not really bad parenting though

[Pyramid*]

Even the father thinks what he did was stupid and OTT.
- direct quote from his facebook http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

So Pyramid*, i don't know how you can disagree anymore.

Are you unable to understand what those words you just quoted meant because that is NOT what he says.

Never again in my entire life will I ever do anything that garnishes this much attention, both positive and negative.

That does not say the father thinks what he did was stupid or OTT. It says about it garnishing so much attention: both positive and negative.

That means he had people for and against his behaviour. He does not say he regrets it - it is the attention that it brought that he is commenting about.

[Me. I Am Salman]

bad parenting? really? i think you mean BAD MEDIA.

but that's sorta the point. responsible parents wouldnt humiliate their children on the big wide web, cos the internet is a risky place.

[Ammi]

Does this mean that you've tried it, and when you realised it didn't work - and therefore opten for alternative ways that you found were more effective. Only reason I'm asking is that if so, perhaps that was the point that the father had reached at that stage.

LOL..well not the exact same scenario, with the gun but I'm sure I have at some point been guilty of 'tit for tat' behaviour when, as you say, I've been very disappointed. I would have liked to have knowledge on 'previous' behaviour and consequences to know if the parents had 'tried everything'. I'm probably not the most objective person to comment on this because, working with young people for most of my adult life, I have very definitive training on 'positive assertive' approaches to difficult or anti social behaviour, which I have also practised in parenting and I have found it to be very effective. To make someone feel empathy for others and the effect their behaviour has on others imo is often the most effective. Of course, nothing is 100 per cent proven and there are always people who are 'bad seeds', if you like....but I don't get the feeling this daughter is one of them...but we've only seen the dad's viewpoint and her posting.
.....btw Pyramid, where is the 'death threats' part...I'd like to see the repercussions

[Pyramid*]

I'm ok with you picking on me. And I'm ok with you picking on my posts, but I'm NOT ok with you picking on my kid. Yes, I've already dealt with the local police, who by the way said "From our entire department, Kudo's to you, sir."

Now I'm letting my daughter have her interview with Social Services, so they too can be satisfied that I don't yell at her, beat her, traumatize her, lock her in a closet without food, deprive her of basic human rights, make her cut the grass with scizzors, hunt for her meals in the wild with only a spork, or otherwise fail to provide for my daughter.

taken from his facebook.

see what this has all led to. social services and taunts to the kid etc.
bad parenting indeed.


FGS Salman. Seriously. If you cannot understand why the social services comment has been made, you really aren't understanding much of what is going on.

I note you've chosen NOT to highlight in bold the comment the father had from the local police..... "kudos to you" (ie; well done to the father). Didn't that particular comment suit your agenda.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Aside from the video what parent blatantly shows their child that they carry a gun let alone shoot their child's posessions?? Is he leading an example??? That is no doubt bad parenting.

[lostalex]

Lazy journalism is the problem with the story, not lazy parenting.

[Pyramid*]

He's clearly apologizing for the spectacle that's been made(by the media), not for his actions.

Thank God you saw and read what is blindingly obvious too.

[lostalex]

Aside from the video what parent blatantly shows their child that they carry a gun let alone shoot their child's posessions?? Is he leading an example??? That is no doubt bad parenting.


He clearly lives in a rural area and did not display any dangerous activity with his gun.

Only a pathetic propagandized person would be so disturbed by just the sight of a gun.

[Pyramid*]

Lazy journalism is the problem with the story, not lazy parenting.

Media hype ....... I agree.

[Pyramid*]

LOL..well not the exact same scenario, with the gun but I'm sure I have at some point been guilty of 'tit for tat' behaviour when, as you say, I've been very disappointed. I would have liked to have knowledge on 'previous' behaviour and consequences to know if the parents had 'tried everything'. I'm probably not the most objective person to comment on this because, working with young people for most of my adult life, I have very definitive training on 'positive assertive' approaches to difficult or anti social behaviour, which I have also practised in parenting and I have found it to be very effective. To make someone feel empathy for others and the effect their behaviour has on others imo is often the most effective. Of course, nothing is 100 per cent proven and there are always people who are 'bad seeds', if you like....but I don't get the feeling this daughter is one of them...but we've only seen the dad's viewpoint and her posting.
.....btw Pyramid, where is the 'death threats' part...I'd like to see the repercussions


ha... ya daftie. I didn't mean with a gun! God forbid ! :shocked:

No, I mean as in the way you've explained - you've tried it youself and found that it wasn't the best way, it didn't work and found another option.

I'm thinking that the father has tried the 'other option' before and has been left with no alternative but to go down this route now (if you get what I mean).

Death threats... no idea, I believe it was JH95 (I think, cba checking back) that brought that comment into play. :conf:

[lostalex]

The man was clearly really pissed off, but he found a way that he thought would be humorous, he clearly had a tongue in his cheek the entire time. The man doesn't seem mean or horrible at all when i watch it.

I've seen mean people, and this man does not seem mean to me. he seemed frustrated sure, but he channeled that frustration in a creative way, and i don't think he was being mean or trying to "bully" or "humiliate" his daughter. He was actually being really creative. And i garuntee you his daughter will see the funny side a few years from now.

[Pyramid*]

I'm ok with you picking on me. And I'm ok with you picking on my posts, but I'm NOT ok with you picking on my kid. Yes, I've already dealt with the local police, who by the way said "From our entire department, Kudo's to you, sir."

Now I'm letting my daughter have her interview with Social Services,so they too can be satisfied that I don't yell at her, beat her, traumatize her, lock her in a closet without food, deprive her of basic human rights, make her cut the grass with scizzors, hunt for her meals in the wild with only a spork, or otherwise fail to provide for my daughter.

taken from his facebook.

see what this has all led to. social services and taunts to the kid etc.
bad parenting indeed.

Just to point something out to you Salman. The bit below (taken from what you quoted above, coming from the father's fb comments. See the words in RED


I'm ok with you picking on me. And I'm ok with you picking on my posts, but I'm NOT ok with you picking on my kid. Yes, I've already dealt with the local police, who by the way said "From our entire department, Kudo's to you, sir."


Explain to me Salman, how a father sticking up for his child, making it very public that he is NOT ok with people picking on his daughter: explain to me why you think that is bad parenting.

[Roy Mars III]

He obviously didn't expect more than her friends and such to see it. It was proabably a silly thing to do, but he had probably tried other forms of punishment which didn't work and was desperate to try to find something that did. That I can understand.

Hopefully through all this the spoiled brat learned some respect

[Pyramid*]

The man was clearly really pissed off, but he found a way that he thought would be humorous, he clearly had a tongue in his cheek the entire time. The man doesn't seem mean or horrible at all when i watch it.

I've seen mean people, and this man does not seem mean to me.

I saw a father who was absolutley incensed, very angry, unbelievably disappointed and at the end of his tether with his very ungrateful and spoiled daughter's behaviour.

He explained why he was now feeling he had no other option than to get his message over to her in this manner - a way in which the daughter understood - by airing it all in public - becauase all other previous punishments were not having any effect of her - she was still doing it.

[Lee.]

Hahaha... brilliant. The cheeky spoilt little brat may have to get a job to buy a new laptop now!

[Pyramid*]

Aside from the video what parent blatantly shows their child that they carry a gun let alone shoot their child's posessions?? Is he leading an example??? That is no doubt bad parenting.

Parents who lives in areas and countries whereby it is legal, allowed and possibly necessary.

You know nothing about the reasons for him having a firearm.

[Ammi]

ha... ya daftie. I didn't mean with a gun! God forbid ! :shocked:

No, I mean as in the way you've explained - you've tried it youself and found that it wasn't the best way, it didn't work and found another option.

I'm thinking that the father has tried the 'other option' before and has been left with no alternative but to go down this route now (if you get what I mean).

Death threats... no idea, I believe it was JH95 (I think, cba checking back) that brought that comment into play. :conf:

Ok thanks, I'll look back through the thread to see if I've missed a link.

.....I do understand the dad's frustration and his disappointment and as a parent I can relate to it...there are good and valid points in what he says...I just wish he hadn't invaldated these imo, by 'dealing' with it at the same level as his daughters viewpoint.....It would be better to 'educate' her as to where he was coming from...well, I know he kind of did by telling her what her duties were...but he didn't do it calmly and he didn't explain why it was important that she did them and how valued her input would make her....I'm aware this seems like a bit of a 'soppy' approach, but I can't help it because I know chilren and young people can 'behave badly'...but I also see that how an adult gets them to reflect on that behaviour and it's effects is all important to the way forward

[CharlieO]

Exactly, he was just seeking attention. If he knows so much about computers then he would know that this would be prone to becoming viral and resulting into deaththreats. The attention seeker. Parenting skills of a doughnut.

Knowing about computers doesn't mean you know about the media and society and how people can respond to certain things.

[arista]

Yes, land of the free. Where citizens are trusted to have the same power as the government. It's called LIBERTY. Look it up.

Or maybe you think only the government should be allowed to have weapons? Tell me how that is liberty?


I do not need to
I have Worked in California.

[Pyramid*]

From the father's fb 3 hours ago.


Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.


I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.

That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter.

[Pyramid*]

Ok thanks, I'll look back through the thread to see if I've missed a link.

.....I do understand the dad's frustration and his disappointment and as a parent I can relate to it...there are good and valid points in what he says...I just wish he hadn't invaldated these imo, by 'dealing' with it at the same level as his daughters viewpoint.....It would be better to 'educate' her as to where he was coming from...well, I know he kind of did by telling her what her duties were...but he didn't do it calmly and he didn't explain why it was important that she did them and how valued her input would make her....I'm aware this seems like a bit of a 'soppy' approach, but I can't help it because I know chilren and young people can 'behave badly'...but I also see that how an adult gets them to reflect on that behaviour and it's effects is all important to the way forward

The other point is: what works for some, doesn't work for others. It's a fine balance with any parent/child relationship...... and as I'm sure you'll be able to speak from experience even when you find that balance: out of the blue - suddenly what used to work, doesn't. Moreso I think when kids start hitting puberty and all hell is breaking lose inside their bodies that they have no control over either.

Not easy being a kid, sure as hell aint for the parents either !!

By the sounds of things though, the father, mother and daughter are all honkey dorey with it all anyway.

[CharlieO]

She sounds like a spoilt little **** tbh

[Pyramid*]

She sounds like a spoilt little **** tbh

Thing is: many of us older ones on here know that this is how it feels when you are a teenager: that's what the teenage years bring (for both the kids and the parents). Teenagers think they've really got a hard life, and are really hard done by: parents know that's not the case and like her father, compared what she has at her age, with his life when he was her age: and she had nothing to be bitching about.


And I agree with Lee... this will be one of those brilliant family stories that come out at Weddings etc and will provide lots of laughs years down the line.

[Ammi]

The other point is: what works for some, doesn't work for others. It's a fine balance with any parent/child relationship...... and as I'm sure you'll be able to speak from experience even when you find that balance: out of the blue - suddenly what used to work, doesn't. Moreso I think when kids start hitting puberty and all hell is breaking lose inside their bodies that they have no control over either.

Not easy being a kid, sure as hell aint for the parents either !!

By the sounds of things though, the father, mother and daughter are all honkey dorey with it all anyway.

Indeed...and as he says...they're the ones that matter
I absolutely understand why he feels as he does and his frustrations and it was right for him to respond...but that doesn't make his response right imo. He started off with a very valid point and instead of diffusing..he escalated it...it's a shame...I did want to be supportive of him...but I can't. I do think that somehow he thought he was doing the right thing though, and that makes him, in his way a caring parent...unfortunately, I think he missed the mark

[Pyramid*]

Indeed...and as he says...they're the ones that matter
I absolutely understand why he feels as he does and his frustrations and it was right for him to respond...but that doesn't make his response right imo. He started off with a very valid point and instead of diffusing..he escalated it...it's a shame...I did want to be supportive of him...but I can't. I do think that somehow he thought he was doing the right thing though, and that makes him, in his way a caring parent...unfortunately, I think he missed the mark

Having seen the laptop, I think on the contrary, he hit the mark and 7 times I believe - and spot on! :D

[Ammi]

Having seen the laptop, I think on the contrary, he hit the mark and 7 times I believe - and spot on! :D

...LOL...so he did

[Pyramid*]

...LOL...so he did

tee hee...

I get the feeling that the whole family are possibly laughing at all of this right now. I did happen to like very much the fact that father put it over very clearly that it wasn't okay for people to be picking on his daughter....... that puts a lot of it into perspective for me.

[Ammi]

tee hee...

I get the feeling that the whole family are possibly laughing at all of this right now. I did happen to like very much the fact that father put it over very clearly that it wasn't okay for people to be picking on his daughter....... that puts a lot of it into perspective for me.

...absolutely, and although I do think he escalated the situation, he has taken steps to amend it....I think he is attempting to be a good parent and the 'impulse' of both there actions and the repercussions will hopefully give them both food for thought

[Pyramid*]

...absolutely, and although I do think he escalated the situation, he has taken steps to amend it....I think he is attempting to be a good parent and the 'impulse' of both there actions and the repercussions will hopefully give them both food for thought

No one ever said life was easy........ methinks all concerned are more than aware of that now eh! LOL.

[Me. I Am Salman]

...absolutely, and although I do think he escalated the situation, he has taken steps to amend it....I think he is attempting to be a good parent and the 'impulse' of both there actions and the repercussions will hopefully give them both food for thought

I guess thats true

[Jack_]

Your first point about the use of your words. You want a serious debate and to be taken seriously, then don't use those words. It wasn't an attack, more advice. Your opinion will be strengthened by cutting out the swear words. Using them in a debate can come across as childish.

That's because, as I said, you have bought into the idea that they're such awful words and 'unacceptable' and must be avoided. I haven't however...because they're just words. A few letters stuck together that some person has given some 'bad' meaning thousands of years ago, so what? Doesn't actually mean it is bad. And not swearing/swearing doesn't change my point at all. A few words inserted inside of sentences that I've used to describe what I think of this man doesn't exactly change the way my point reads, it's all the same.

Secondly to your point about 'you youngsters'. I actually said a lot of, not all, meaning that there are a many number of youngsters out there who do expect everything for nothing in the society in which we live today. If you take personal insult from that comment then maybe that says more about you.

That's fair enough then, I apologise for jumping to conclusions.

Thirdly, again you are judging his actions based on what little of their lives you have seen. You don't know more about them, you can only merely speculate like the majority of us, yet you seem to make your speculation overly bias in favour of the daughter. Children and teenagers can be one of the most testing things in the world, something that most of us do not see until we grow up a bit. But to call his parenting bad; on what grounds do you base that on other than what little you know or have read from the internet?

I'm sorry but neither you or anyone else can accuse me of judging his actions and passing comments on him because the large majority of you have done exactly the same thing with his daughter. You're all sitting there making remarks like 'spoilt little brat' etc...when, as you say, you haven't met her, and don't actually know what she's like? If I can't make comments on those grounds, neither can anyone else really. But...I'd have thought, considering we can actually get some sort of an idea as to what this man is like from the video, that's at least more evidence than speculating and passing comment on what his daughter is like, when no one has even seen a picture of her, let alone a video. At least we've seen the man.

And I base his bad parenting on what I've seen in the video. The video itself is bad parenting, that's the point. He has publicly humiliated his own daughter to the entire world. Any instances where a parent has to embarrass or humiliate their children are wrong, if you ask me. That, whichever way you cut it, is a form of bullying. Just how it would be the same if someone else attempted to embarrass and humiliate you. There's no excuses for it. Doing things like that can seriously effect some people's self-esteem - and from your own father? Totally unacceptable.

And lastly, anything on the internet or in real life can cause psychological trauma, stress etc. I honestly think that if anyone contemplated suicide over this then they are either being overly dramatic or are in need of serious mental help. But maybe this story will wake a lot of the world up to just how volatile and unprotected the internet really is, but I sadly doubt it will.

That seems very ignorant to me, I'm sorry. You might agree with his actions, but to say that something like this couldn't cause psychological trauma or the like, seriously? She's been humiliated in front of the entire world by her own father. We all know how bad it is to be humiliated or embarrassed in front of a few people, but in front of millions? Seriously? Knowing that so many people are passing judgement on her when they've never even met her, abusing her etc. That's just...I can't even begin to contemplate how I'd feel. Some people may be strong enough to deal with that...but others certainly wouldn't be.

[Z]

Oh, Jack's multi quoting, ****'s getting serious.

I applaud this man. Does anyone who disapproves of this seriously think he would have done this if she hadn't pushed him to it? He clearly explains why he's going to do what he's about to do. She humiliated him on a public forum for all to see - why shouldn't he take serious action in response? She'll certainly never do it again. His points about us being a lazy generation are so on point, and it says a lot that so many of the people taking the daughter's side in this are the same age as her. We, that includes me, do not appreciate the value of money. We get given so much and actually come to expect it from our parents, we don't ever stop to think about how it's a luxury that we get nice things from them. My iPhone is having sound problems at the moment. I would like a new one. I didn't buy this phone, it used to be my dad's, and there's no way I have the money to just go out and buy a new one. In the past, I would have just expected my parents to pick up the bill for me, but now I've come to accept that I am an adult and have been for years - it is not their responsibility to look after me, it's their choice to. That girl should not have posted such a thing about her parents online. She knows what her father is like better than anyone here and if he's to be believed, he had given her plenty of warning about this before, and I don't doubt that because he's stated it in a video that has now gone viral and has been INVESTIGATED by authorities. She should have known better - and this video is perhaps the wake up call that she, and our generation, needs. Jack, Jords etc you are shocked that he went that far. That says a lot. You feel sympathy for the daughter because he's used intimidation, right? He didn't have to buy her that laptop, or spend all day upgrading it for her. It's his money, not hers. He's taken a luxury away from her. As the parent, that's his right, and I don't see how you can argue against that. His house, his rules, we all need to learn some respect for what our parents had to work for, and just because the world's a changing place doesn't mean we get to be ungrateful as a result of it.

[Jack_]

His points are fair but his methods are wrong, it's that simple really. You do not humiliate your own daughter at all, let alone in front of the entire world.

[Lee.]

Oh, Jack's multi quoting, ****'s getting serious.

I applaud this man. Does anyone who disapproves of this seriously think he would have done this if she hadn't pushed him to it? He clearly explains why he's going to do what he's about to do. She humiliated him on a public forum for all to see - why shouldn't he take serious action in response? She'll certainly never do it again. His points about us being a lazy generation are so on point, and it says a lot that so many of the people taking the daughter's side in this are the same age as her. We, that includes me, do not appreciate the value of money. We get given so much and actually come to expect it from our parents, we don't ever stop to think about how it's a luxury that we get nice things from them. My iPhone is having sound problems at the moment. I would like a new one. I didn't buy this phone, it used to be my dad's, and there's no way I have the money to just go out and buy a new one. In the past, I would have just expected my parents to pick up the bill for me, but now I've come to accept that I am an adult and have been for years - it is not their responsibility to look after me, it's their choice to. That girl should not have posted such a thing about her parents online. She knows what her father is like better than anyone here and if he's to be believed, he had given her plenty of warning about this before, and I don't doubt that because he's stated it in a video that has now gone viral and has been INVESTIGATED by authorities. She should have known better - and this video is perhaps the wake up call that she, and our generation, needs. Jack, Jords etc you are shocked that he went that far. That says a lot. You feel sympathy for the daughter because he's used intimidation, right? He didn't have to buy her that laptop, or spend all day upgrading it for her. It's his money, not hers. He's taken a luxury away from her. As the parent, that's his right, and I don't see how you can argue against that. His house, his rules, we all need to learn some respect for what our parents had to work for, and just because the world's a changing place doesn't mean we get to be ungrateful as a result of it.
Excellent post Greg... I agree with all your points. :)

So many kids have no respect for anyone anymore... its good to see a parent taking a stand as I reckon a lot just accept their kids are disrespectful, ungrateful and spoiled as a sign of the times.

I blame the Disney Channel :hmph:

[Lee.]

His points are fair but his methods are wrong, it's that simple really. You do not humiliate your own daughter at all, let alone in front of the entire world.

When I was a kid, cheek or insolence resulted in a slapped arse. Humiliating, but I have ended up a respectful being who is endlessly thankful for how my mum brought me up.

[Z]

His points are fair but his methods are wrong, it's that simple really. You do not humiliate your own daughter at all, let alone in front of the entire world.

But it's okay for her to humiliate her parents on Facebook? And hey, it's not like he hasn't been humiliated either by this going viral - perhaps they've both learned a lot from this experience. He's got people thinking he'll kill his daughter or something and she's got people thinking she's the most spoiled brat in existence.

[Ammi]

...Oh, I see Jack's already posted what I was going to say
Zee, I am not the girl's age, I have children older than the girl myself, so I see it from the young persons viewpoint and from a parents. I think he has very valid points, I don't think that can be argued with. But he didn't just take the computer away from her, did he. I think he would be justified to do that. For me, he has invalidated his reasoning by his actions. Sometimes we may feel so p*ssed off and frustrated by someone's ingratitude that we feel like getting down to their level in our actions...we mat feel like it and people wouldn't necessarily blame us...but it doesn't make it right. Two wrongs never make a right.
I do think he's probably a good parent though...but that was a display of bad parenting though

[Ammi]

But it's okay for her to humiliate her parents on Facebook? And hey, it's not like he hasn't been humiliated either by this going viral - perhaps they've both learned a lot from this experience. He's got people thinking he'll kill his daughter or something and she's got people thinking she's the most spoiled brat in existence.

No it's not....but imo he didn't act very maturely either.
...but I agree, I hope they've both learned from this....I think they both acted badly

[Z]

...Oh, I see Jack's already posted what I was going to say
Zee, I am not the girl's age, I have children older than the girl myself, so I see it from the young persons viewpoint and from a parents. I think he has very valid points, I don't think that can be argued with. But he didn't just take the computer away from her, did he. I think he would be justified to do that. For me, he has invalidated his reasoning by his actions. Sometimes we may feel so p*ssed off and frustrated by someone's ingratitude that we feel like getting down to their level in our actions...we mat feel like it and people wouldn't necessarily blame us...but it doesn't make it right. Two wrongs never make a right.
I do think he's probably a good parent though...but that was a display of bad parenting though

But clearly taking it away from her in the past didn't work, because of the rant she posted about him online for all her friends to see. That's why I agree with his actions, more than anything. This is a man who was pushed into taking a more serious stance, it's just that we, the audience online, have only seen him at this stage and so it's quite easy to assume he must be like that all the time.

[Kizzy]

only in the land of the yee haws...haha no offence Americans but if that happened here ther would be Social Services, an armed response, local and national news, several MPs and one of the loose women round within 5 minutes.

[Ammi]

But clearly taking it away from her in the past didn't work, because of the rant she posted about him online for all her friends to see. That's why I agree with his actions, more than anything. This is a man who was pushed into taking a more serious stance, it's just that we, the audience online, have only seen him at this stage and so it's quite easy to assume he must be like that all the time.

...but that's the whole point....we've only been given a small part of the picture, so I'm not assuming anything. From the father's point of view (and we haven't been given a balance to that), I would agree with and understand the points he is making in terms of what they provide from her and what is expected in return. I would like to know how the 'previous incident' he referred to was dealt with. I'd like to know whether it was one strike then I'll bow the s*it out of your laptop or whether she has continually and consistantly disrespected her parents and everything they do for her...I'm not assuming anything, there's so much we don't know. What we do know, from his information only, is that it appears a punishment was required...I do not feel that punishment was in anyway mature or showed to me a parent who had firm control of a situation. Apart from anything else, he paid for it with his hard earned dollars......not the brightest thing to do imo

[Jack_]

When I was a kid, cheek or insolence resulted in a slapped arse. Humiliating, but I have ended up a respectful being who is endlessly thankful for how my mum brought me up.

And when I was a kid I wasn't (well, maybe a couple of times), and I certainly haven't ever had my laptop blown apart by a gun. And I've turned out fine...

But it's okay for her to humiliate her parents on Facebook? And hey, it's not like he hasn't been humiliated either by this going viral - perhaps they've both learned a lot from this experience. He's got people thinking he'll kill his daughter or something and she's got people thinking she's the most spoiled brat in existence.

She hardly humiliated him, she's entitled to her opinion. Her dad, you and most people are forgetting that most teenagers vent their frustration at their parents to their friends and online on sites like Facebook and Twitter, I don't know about you but I see it all the time. It's all part of growing up...it's puberty, you get annoyed and frustrated at the tiniest of things. You trick yourself into believing that your parents are the worst, most annoying people in the world. But they're not, and deep down you know they're not...and one day you realise how stupid you were for getting so annoyed, but during that time you can't help it. It happens. People go through it and parents should just let it pass, I hardly doubt she means it, she's just got a bit annoyed and stressed with her life that's all. Yeah, she might not have it that hard...but to her she does, and she doesn't understand the difference. That doesn't make it right for her dad to embarrass her in front of the world and take a gun to her laptop.

There are plenty of other avenues in which he could have ventured down to get his problem across. Perhaps if he'd sat her down and explained to her in great detail his upset, then she might have got he message. I know from experience that when my mum used to get upset at how I behaved during puberty, I felt really bad and changed my ways. It's a learning curve. But if my parents had humiliated me in such a way, and done that to my laptop...I'd have never spoken to them again.

[Ammi]

And when I was a kid I wasn't (well, maybe a couple of times), and I certainly haven't ever had my laptop blown apart by a gun. And I've turned out fine...



She hardly humiliated him, she's entitled to her opinion. Her dad, you and most people are forgetting that most teenagers vent their frustration at their parents to their friends and online on sites like Facebook and Twitter, I don't know about you but I see it all the time. It's all part of growing up...it's puberty, you get annoyed and frustrated at the tiniest of things. You trick yourself into believing that your parents are the worst, most annoying people in the world. But they're not, and deep down you know they're not...and one day you realise how stupid you were for getting so annoyed, but during that time you can't help it. It happens. People go through it and parents should just let it pass, I hardly doubt she means it, she's just got a bit annoyed and stressed with her life that's all. Yeah, she might not have it that hard...but to her she does, and she doesn't understand the difference. That doesn't make it right for her dad to embarrass her in front of the world and take a gun to her laptop.

There are plenty of other avenues in which he could have ventured down to get his problem across. Perhaps if he'd sat her down and explained to her in great detail his upset, then she might have got he message. I know from experience that when my mum used to get upset at how I behaved during puberty, I felt really bad and changed my ways. It's a learning curve. But if my parents had humiliated me in such a way, and done that to my laptop...I'd have never spoken to them again.

I don't agree parents should let bad or selfish behaviour 'pass' Jack...Under reacting would be as bad as over reacting imo. It's a parents responsibility, I think, to have a conversation with their kids if they observe any selfish or bad behaviour and point out how it effects others and if that doesn't work and the behaviour persists...other punishments...withdrawing privelages would be condsidered...I just think this particular act and the public way in which he did it were extreme and all he proved to me was that he can get fairly p*ssed off too....what does that tell me....like father like daughter perhaps

[Z]

She hardly humiliated him, she's entitled to her opinion. Her dad, you and most people are forgetting that most teenagers vent their frustration at their parents to their friends and online on sites like Facebook and Twitter, I don't know about you but I see it all the time. It's all part of growing up...it's puberty, you get annoyed and frustrated at the tiniest of things. You trick yourself into believing that your parents are the worst, most annoying people in the world. But they're not, and deep down you know they're not...and one day you realise how stupid you were for getting so annoyed, but during that time you can't help it. It happens. People go through it and parents should just let it pass, I hardly doubt she means it, she's just got a bit annoyed and stressed with her life that's all. Yeah, she might not have it that hard...but to her she does, and she doesn't understand the difference. That doesn't make it right for her dad to embarrass her in front of the world and take a gun to her laptop.

There are plenty of other avenues in which he could have ventured down to get his problem across. Perhaps if he'd sat her down and explained to her in great detail his upset, then she might have got he message. I know from experience that when my mum used to get upset at how I behaved during puberty, I felt really bad and changed my ways. It's a learning curve. But if my parents had humiliated me in such a way, and done that to my laptop...I'd have never spoken to them again.

She hardly humiliated him? What? She bitched him out over Facebook to all of her friends. She tried to prevent him from seeing it by blocking him from reading her updates - so clearly she knew what she was doing wasn't smart or clever, but she wanted to post it online for some kind of applause from her friends. Not most teenagers, some teenagers, and that's only nowadays. Our parents didn't have the internet. They knew better than to advertise their bad mouthing in places where their parents could find out about it. And that one day of realising you were stupid, for this girl, was the day she found out about what her dad had done and when things escalated to the point of social services getting involved. How's that for consequences? I would put money on her never doing anything like this again, it'll make her grow up and change her attitude towards her parents. Isn't that precisely what her father wanted? That's a brilliant outcome if you ask me. But clearly sitting her down and talking to her hasn't worked, you don't go and shoot up a laptop if you haven't already tried talking sense to the girl, I refuse to believe that he wasn't pushed into doing something drastic. You'd have never spoken to your parents again for breaking your laptop? Doesn't that say a lot about how we place so much importance on material goods? A laptop is a piece of technology that we have as a luxury, families are what make us who we are. If you'd rather value a laptop over your family, then clearly you'll never see the point of this father's message.

Can we also bear in mind the fact he mentions that the mother of the girl agrees with him, she asked him to put a bullet in the laptop too? I'd have thought the views of two people would somewhat reinforce the fact that the daughter's pushed them to the limit.

[arista]

No it's not....but imo he didn't act very maturely either.
...but I agree, I hope they've both learned from this....I think they both acted badly


Enough to get on all US TV News
for sure

[Jack_]

I don't agree parents should let bad or selfish behaviour 'pass' Jack...Under reacting would be as bad as over reacting imo. It's a parents responsibility, I think, to have a conversation with their kids if they observe any selfish or bad behaviour and point out how it effects others and if that doesn't work and the behaviour persists...other punishments...withdrawing privelages would be condsidered...I just think this particular act and the public way in which he did it were extreme and all he proved to me was that he can get fairly p*ssed off too....what does that tell me....like father like daughter perhaps

I guess so, and I suppose what I said there contradicts what I said at the end of my post.

However, is it really selfish? I don't know. She does the chores...she just got stressed and expressed her frustration about it online, as most young people do. We all had to do things we didn't want to when younger, and complained about them and got upset over them, but it doesn't mean we actually mean it. Looking back I'm embarrassed about how I acted some times. I'd get annoyed/upset over the most pointless of things, I snapped at my parents over nothing. But it's all part of growing up, my parents didn't like it and occasionally pulled me up on it, but a lot of the time they just let me get on with it because they knew it was just part of puberty. And I've not turned out bad as a result of that. I don't know...it's a difficult one.

His methods of 'discipline' were unacceptable though, that's the bottom line of it. So I agree there.

[Kizzy]

I think you should all log off facebook and sort your issues out over a game of scrabble.

anyone fancy a game of scrabble?:conf:

[Jack_]

She hardly humiliated him? What? She bitched him out over Facebook to all of her friends. She tried to prevent him from seeing it by blocking him from reading her updates - so clearly she knew what she was doing wasn't smart or clever, but she wanted to post it online for some kind of applause from her friends. Not most teenagers, some teenagers, and that's only nowadays. Our parents didn't have the internet. They knew better than to advertise their bad mouthing in places where their parents could find out about it. And that one day of realising you were stupid, for this girl, was the day she found out about what her dad had done and when things escalated to the point of social services getting involved. How's that for consequences? I would put money on her never doing anything like this again, it'll make her grow up and change her attitude towards her parents. Isn't that precisely what her father wanted? That's a brilliant outcome if you ask me. But clearly sitting her down and talking to her hasn't worked, you don't go and shoot up a laptop if you haven't already tried talking sense to the girl, I refuse to believe that he wasn't pushed into doing something drastic. You'd have never spoken to your parents again for breaking your laptop? Doesn't that say a lot about how we place so much importance on material goods? A laptop is a piece of technology that we have as a luxury, families are what make us who we are. If you'd rather value a laptop over your family, then clearly you'll never see the point of this father's message.

Can we also bear in mind the fact he mentions that the mother of the girl agrees with him, she asked him to put a bullet in the laptop too? I'd have thought the views of two people would somewhat reinforce the fact that the daughter's pushed them to the limit.

But teenagers do that, it doesn't mean they mean what they say...their hormones are all over the place (not to mention she's a girl...periods), they'll get angry over the tiniest of things. My younger brothers have reached that stage now and they get frustrated over such small things that me or my parents do, but I just accept it because I went through that stage once, and know how it felt, and know how I didn't mean anything I said. I don't think it's humiliation at all myself, and, the fact that he went out of his way to try and find out what she'd been 'hiding' is just creepy if you ask me. That's like trying to read your children's diary or texts, just on a different medium. Why would you do that?

Clearly though they weren't trying hard enough. Just because they haven't got through to her once, or twice, it doesn't mean that they can embarrass her in front of the world. I made a point earlier in this thread about how such actions could severely affect someone's self-esteem, and it's true...it's unacceptable, especially from her own parents. There's plenty of traditional methods that have worked for years when you keep trying, but going out of your way to embarrass your own daughter is just disgusting, whether it's to a few people, or in this case...the whole world.

And no, maybe that part of my post was a bit confusing. The laptop...I'd be a bit upset about. But the fact that I had been publicly humiliated on such an extraordinarily large scale would be my biggest problem. Millions of people around the world judging me, abusing me and laughing at me. That's awful, I can't even begin to comprehend how I'd feel, it'd be like the entire world was against you. Some people may be fine with that, others wouldn't, and I'm one of that. I would never forgive them. Parents are the only people in the world that you should be able to trust not to do things like this, and to have them do it...that's just awful.

[Ammi]

She hardly humiliated him? What? She bitched him out over Facebook to all of her friends. She tried to prevent him from seeing it by blocking him from reading her updates - so clearly she knew what she was doing wasn't smart or clever, but she wanted to post it online for some kind of applause from her friends. Not most teenagers, some teenagers, and that's only nowadays. Our parents didn't have the internet. They knew better than to advertise their bad mouthing in places where their parents could find out about it. And that one day of realising you were stupid, for this girl, was the day she found out about what her dad had done and when things escalated to the point of social services getting involved. How's that for consequences? I would put money on her never doing anything like this again, it'll make her grow up and change her attitude towards her parents. Isn't that precisely what her father wanted? That's a brilliant outcome if you ask me. But clearly sitting her down and talking to her hasn't worked, you don't go and shoot up a laptop if you haven't already tried talking sense to the girl, I refuse to believe that he wasn't pushed into doing something drastic. You'd have never spoken to your parents again for breaking your laptop? Doesn't that say a lot about how we place so much importance on material goods? A laptop is a piece of technology that we have as a luxury, families are what make us who we are. If you'd rather value a laptop over your family, then clearly you'll never see the point of this father's message.

Can we also bear in mind the fact he mentions that the mother of the girl agrees with him, she asked him to put a bullet in the laptop too? I'd have thought the views of two people would somewhat reinforce the fact that the daughter's pushed them to the limit.

Even if I accept that his daughters behaviour was so extreme that drastic measures were called for (and I'm not assuming anything as all I've seen is this few minute video and one persons viewpoint). I would certainly say the 'lesson' to teach her would involve depriving her of the lapto,p as it is appropriate with the fact that she used the laptop to 'attack' her parents but I will never feel that destroying an expensive possession and giving her a smug 'commentary' while doing it is either mature or intelligent. As I've said, all it shows me is they can both get p*ssed off with stuff...and if a parent is trying to teach a child that getting p*ssed off and posting disrespectful stuff isn't clever....it's a fairly screwed way to do it imo

[Jords]

Ammi :worship: :worship: :worship:

[Visage]

I'll never understand why a lot of parents seem to get off on humiliating their children as a form of discipline, and then wonder why they turn out to be messed up adults. This should have been handled privately and in a less extreme manner.

Instead, the father chose to publicly humiliate his daughter and is getting tons of praise in the process. Obviously the daughter was being disrespectful, but how does he expect her to become mature and respectful when his style of parenting is to act like some gangster?

While I'll never pretend to know the answers on parenting, I can only go on how I was raised and how I have brought my daughter up.


I also think Kids today are more disrespectful BECAUSE of the parents, not because they're inherently rotten. Who bought the kid her iPod, laptop, cell phone, etc? Not her apparently. And by not reinforcing that to live in a materialistic society you have to actually earn things, they created their own monster who rants on facebook.

[Jords]

But teenagers do that, it doesn't mean they mean what they say...their hormones are all over the place (not to mention she's a girl...periods), they'll get angry over the tiniest of things. My younger brothers have reached that stage now and they get frustrated over such small things that me or my parents do, but I just accept it because I went through that stage once, and know how it felt, and know how I didn't mean anything I said. I don't think it's humiliation at all myself, and, the fact that he went out of his way to try and find out what she'd been 'hiding' is just creepy if you ask me. That's like trying to read your children's diary or texts, just on a different medium. Why would you do that?

Clearly though they weren't trying hard enough. Just because they haven't got through to her once, or twice, it doesn't mean that they can embarrass her in front of the world. I made a point earlier in this thread about how such actions could severely affect someone's self-esteem, and it's true...it's unacceptable, especially from her own parents. There's plenty of traditional methods that have worked for years when you keep trying, but going out of your way to embarrass your own daughter is just disgusting, whether it's to a few people, or in this case...the whole world.

And no, maybe that part of my post was a bit confusing. The laptop...I'd be a bit upset about. But the fact that I had been publicly humiliated on such an extraordinarily large scale would be my biggest problem. Millions of people around the world judging me, abusing me and laughing at me. That's awful, I can't even begin to comprehend how I'd feel, it'd be like the entire world was against you. Some people may be fine with that, others wouldn't, and I'm one of that. I would never forgive them. Parents are the only people in the world that you should be able to trust not to do things like this, and to have them do it...that's just awful.

Spot on Jack.

I think a few members feel all grown up now theyre no longer teens and are no longer willing to understand. I mean Im not a great moaner, and people like the girl would probably piss me off tbh. However I can relate to the tiredness and even though yeah shed get on my nerves and I disagree with how she voiced her opinion that doesnt make what her dad did automatically right. I can see where shes coming from to a degree and imo what he did was a lot uncalled for and contradicting.

And if parents got humilated everytime their children moaned and bitched about them no parent would ever show their face :joker:
Parents will not give a damn what school friends think of them, and if they do theyre certainly not very mature.

[Marc]

I agree with this guys frustrations. I had chores when I was a kid and I might have thought they were harsh when I was younger but now looking back on them, they were nothing!! Hardly any effort at all.

Well played to this guy for doing what he's done. She sounds like a spoilt brat who's parents have just had enough.

[Ammi]

I'll never understand why a lot of parents seem to get off on humiliating their children as a form of discipline, and then wonder why they turn out to be messed up adults. This should have been handled privately and in a less extreme manner.

Instead, the father chose to publicly humiliate his daughter and is getting tons of praise in the process. Obviously the daughter was being disrespectful, but how does he expect her to become mature and respectful when his style of parenting is to act like some gangster?

While I'll never pretend to know the answers on parenting, I can only go on how I was raised and how I have brought my daughter up.


I also think Kids today are more disrespectful BECAUSE of the parents, not because they're inherently rotten. Who bought the kid her iPod, laptop, cell phone, etc? Not her apparently. And by not reinforcing that to live in a materialistic society you have to actually earn things, they created their own monster who rants on facebook.

That is a very appropriate point...to shower your children with every current technology and then be appalled by their lack of gratitude does not make sense at all to me.

[Jords]

I agree with this guys frustrations. I had chores when I was a kid and I might have thought they were harsh when I was younger but now looking back on them, they were nothing!! Hardly any effort at all.

Well played to this guy for doing what he's done. She sounds like a spoilt brat who's parents have just had enough.

She will most likely think this too, looking back.
Just not now.

f/

[Jords]

I'll never understand why a lot of parents seem to get off on humiliating their children as a form of discipline, and then wonder why they turn out to be messed up adults. This should have been handled privately and in a less extreme manner.

Instead, the father chose to publicly humiliate his daughter and is getting tons of praise in the process. Obviously the daughter was being disrespectful, but how does he expect her to become mature and respectful when his style of parenting is to act like some gangster?

While I'll never pretend to know the answers on parenting, I can only go on how I was raised and how I have brought my daughter up.


I also think Kids today are more disrespectful BECAUSE of the parents, not because they're inherently rotten. Who bought the kid her iPod, laptop, cell phone, etc? Not her apparently. And by not reinforcing that to live in a materialistic society you have to actually earn things, they created their own monster who rants on facebook.

Very good post Visage.

[Marc]

Who are you f/ing?

She totally disrespected her parents on Facebook and clearly doesn't show any gratitude for the stuff her parents do for her. This girl, Hannah, got what she deserved.

[Ammi]

I agree with this guys frustrations. I had chores when I was a kid and I might have thought they were harsh when I was younger but now looking back on them, they were nothing!! Hardly any effort at all.

Well played to this guy for doing what he's done. She sounds like a spoilt brat who's parents have just had enough.

Oh, I totally relate to his frustrations and feeling something had to be done....he could either escalate the whole situation by adding further to the wrong or he could behave like an adult and apply himself to parenting his daughter....whether 'all's ended well' or not...the end does not always justify the means imo

[Harry!]

All I could think was while watching in that video: "Only in America..."

[Ammi]

Who are you f/ing?

She totally disrespected her parents on Facebook and clearly doesn't show any gratitude for the stuff her parents do for her. This girl, Hannah, got what she deserved.

..there's two ways to look at it though Marc...they have an ungrateful, disrespectful, lazy daughter....yet they keep showering her with gifts and dad takes time off work to fix her laptop...and they thought that would make her a better person :shrug:

...he better pace himself if he's going to get through the next 4 teen years...otherwise he'll run out of bullets....maybe he'll grenade her first car
...the car he'll probably buy her....even though she's an ungrateful daughter

[Jords]

All I could think was while watching in that video: "Only in America..."

:laugh2:

They love being dramatic.

[Marc]

..there's two ways to look at it though Marc...they have an ungrateful, disrespectful, lazy daughter....yet they keep showering her with gifts and dad takes time off work to fix her laptop...and they thought that would make her a better person :shrug:

Yeah but they've not realised how ungrateful she is until now. After he saw Hannah's post on Facebook. That's when the penny dropped and he realised she needs to be reprimanded.

This may seem extreme but it sends a great message of parents' frustrations and dismay at their childrens ungratefulness. I don't care if some people don't agree with me on this one.

[MTVN]

Meh I've not read this whole thread but seems to me that the daughter's a bit of a brat and the Dad's a bit of a prick. We don't really know everything but he does seem like a bit of an OTT strict parent, and him doing that would just make me resent him more.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

In africa you disobey and your parents hit you with a hard plastic hose repeatedly or you have to stick your hand out and they repeatedly hit the hard part of your hand. Shooting her laptop is not that much of a horror. spoiled kids of this generation need a bit of harsh parenting in their life.


He's hot though with that southern accent :amazed:

[Ammi]

Yeah but they've not realised how ungrateful she is until now. After he saw Hannah's post on Facebook. That's when the penny dropped and he realised she needs to be reprimanded.

This may seem extreme but it sends a great message of parents' frustrations and dismay at their childrens ungratefulness. I don't care if some people don't agree with me on this one.
..It sends me a great message too...don't choose to buy your kids all this stuff in the first place unless they've earned it and then publicly let them know how disappointing as offspring they have been.


Meh I've not read this whole thread but seems to me that the daughter's a bit of a brat and the Dad's a bit of a prick. We don't really know everything but he does seem like a bit of an OTT strict parent, and him doing that would just make me resent him more.

You didn't need to read it.....that about sums it up perfectly

[Marc]

..It sends me a great message too...don't choose to buy your kids all this stuff in the first place unless they've earned it and then publicly let them know how disappointing as offspring they have been.

Oh I can see that they have a fault on that behalf but that just doesn't happen in this day and age. Her parents are divorced and it's obviously hard on the girl when that happened so it's not as if the father can just do nothing, so he brought her stuff. I sure as hell don't know what it's like when parents split up as mine are still happily married but my experiences of growing up I know that kids can act spoilt and ungrateful and I have done so myself, and punishment is a great way of learning from those lessons in life.

[Marc]

MTVN sums it up well. But if I were to pick a side I would definitely pick the fathers.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

..It sends me a great message too...don't choose to buy your kids all this stuff in the first place unless they've earned it and then publicly let them know how disappointing as offspring they have been.





He probably wouldn't have made the problem public if she didn't. :joker: Oh well. Big thumbs up sir. Reminds everyone a parent is not suppose to be a friend you're supposed to be a PARENT doggonit!!

[Patrick]

What a guy. :love:

That was really really retarded shooting it, he should have just sold it.

That was the best part..

[Patrick]

LOL I was going to add his daughter on Facebook just to see if she was hot, but then realized she wouldn't be able to accept. :(

[Marc]

He probably wouldn't have made the problem public if she didn't. :joker: Oh well. Big thumbs up sir. Reminds everyone a parent is not suppose to be a friend you're supposed to be a PARENT doggonit!!

Very true!

[Jords]

LOL I was going to add his daughter on Facebook just to see if she was hot, but then realized she wouldn't be able to accept. :(

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Ammi]

Oh I can see that they have a fault on that behalf but that just doesn't happen in this day and age. Her parents are divorced and it's obviously hard on the girl when that happened so it's not as if the father can just do nothing, so he brought her stuff. I sure as hell don't know what it's like when parents split up as mine are still happily married but my experiences of growing up I know that kids can act spoilt and ungrateful and I have done so myself, and punishment is a great way of learning from those lessons in life.

Well, even in a divorced situation, 'buying' your children is never the answer and only creates what the father is complaining the daughter has become. I'm not questioning that there should be a punishment...only the punishment he chose. He needs to take a step back, take a deep breath and think about what his contribution is in what his daughter has become.....and they need to do some serious work to resolve that...preferably one that doesn't involve bullets and laptops. America is the home of therapists...I'm sure they'll figure it out

[MTVN]

I also think Kids today are more disrespectful BECAUSE of the parents, not because they're inherently rotten. Who bought the kid her iPod, laptop, cell phone, etc? Not her apparently. And by not reinforcing that to live in a materialistic society you have to actually earn things, they created their own monster who rants on facebook.

Yeah good point, reminds me of that quote "those who criticise our generation forget who raised it"

[Ammi]

He probably wouldn't have made the problem public if she didn't. :joker: Oh well. Big thumbs up sir. Reminds everyone a parent is not suppose to be a friend you're supposed to be a PARENT doggonit!!

'Public' is how some young people do things.....Parents can choose a different route...if they want to

[Marc]

Well, even in a divorced situation, 'buying' your children is never the answer and only creates what the father is complaining the daughter has become. I'm not questioning that there should be a punishment...only the punishment he chose. He needs to take a step back, take a deep breath and think about what his contribution is in what his daughter has become.....and they need to do some serious work to resolve that...preferably one that doesn't involve bullets and laptops. America is the home of therapists...I'm sure they'll figure it out

True true.. but this guy seems to be used to guns and stuff, I can't question his social upbringing and how he sees punishment. All I can see is that punishment SHOULD be made. And he only posted it on Fbook because his daughter posted her stupid comments on Fbook.

[Jake.]

In fairness to JH95, the violence comment was in reply to my previous comment that I'd far rather see this (dad destorying her laptop etc) - than the father lifting his hands to her ...... and what you quoted there, was in reply to the 'lifting hands to her' .... I'm pretty sure anyway that's where JH95 was coming from.

Thank you Pyramid, that was what I was originally referring to :)

[Z]

Spot on Jack.

I think a few members feel all grown up now theyre no longer teens and are no longer willing to understand. I mean Im not a great moaner, and people like the girl would probably piss me off tbh. However I can relate to the tiredness and even though yeah shed get on my nerves and I disagree with how she voiced her opinion that doesnt make what her dad did automatically right. I can see where shes coming from to a degree and imo what he did was a lot uncalled for and contradicting.

And if parents got humilated everytime their children moaned and bitched about them no parent would ever show their face :joker:
Parents will not give a damn what school friends think of them, and if they do theyre certainly not very mature.

I take it this is aimed at me. Your perspective on things change with your circumstances. At the moment I am living off my own money, by myself, in a foreign country, so I've grown up a lot and my views on my parents and my relationship with them is very different to the one I had before I moved away. I don't really appreciate the dig. It's not that I'm not willing to understand - it's that I'm far more understanding of the father now that I've been living my own life and have a better understanding of the value of money now that I live off the money I make.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

'Public' is how some young people do things.....Parents can choose a different route...if they want to

Seems to me he did before innit, yet she did it again. So he thought ok, ima embarrass ya in front of your "friends" too then suga.

[Jack_]

I wonder what he'd do if she did actually defy the odds and be 'disrespectful' again.

Perhaps he'd burn all her clothes, light a stick of dynamite in her room, or have her hung, drawn and quartered on live TV.

[Ammi]

True true.. but this guy seems to be used to guns and stuff, I can't question his social upbringing and how he sees punishment. All I can see is that punishment SHOULD be made. And he only posted it on Fbook because his daughter posted her stupid comments on Fbook.

...copying his teenage childrens behaviour....that'll get him far....LOL

[Patrick]

I wonder what he'd do if she did actually defy the odds and be 'disrespectful' again.

Perhaps he'd burn all her clothes, light a stick of dynamite in her room, or have her hung, drawn and quartered on live TV.

Or more likely, shoot her.

[Ammi]

I take it this is aimed at me. Your perspective on things change with your circumstances. At the moment I am living off my own money, by myself, in a foreign country, so I've grown up a lot and my views on my parents and my relationship with them is very different to the one I had before I moved away. I don't really appreciate the dig. It's not that I'm not willing to understand - it's that I'm far more understanding of the father now that I've been living my own life and have a better understanding of the value of money now that I live off the money I make.

I think though Zee, when he reels off all the things he has bought for his daughter, it doesn't actually come across that he has helped to teach her the value of anything or that it has to be earned and you don't always get what you want. He has contributed to make her the person she is then he has publicly declared how disappointing she is...I'm sure he thinks his actions are correct....but imo they are far from it

[Ammi]

I wonder what he'd do if she did actually defy the odds and be 'disrespectful' again.

Perhaps he'd burn all her clothes, light a stick of dynamite in her room, or have her hung, drawn and quartered on live TV.

...or maybe...just stop buying her the stuff in the first place until he's assured she's more appreciative...save him a fortune in pyrotechnics

[Marc]

Very valid point Greg.

It's entirely down to personal situations and experiences that we can have views on this. I was brought up to respect my parents and everything they do for me so I see this as a good video showing deserving punishment

[Lee.]

I wonder what he'd do if she did actually defy the odds and be 'disrespectful' again.

Perhaps he'd burn all her clothes, light a stick of dynamite in her room, or have her hung, drawn and quartered on live TV.
Nah.. I don't think he would. He actuall comes across as quite a reasonable fella to me and he carried out her punishment in a calm and collected fashion.

I think punishing kids is all about "hitting them where it hurts" (i don't mean that literally) This dad has obviously tried other ways of punishing her before but has worked out that to destroy her laptop would get to her more than a grounding.

I've tried everything with my daughter from banning games consoles to naughty steps but nothing works. Eventually I realised how much she loves Brownies so if she's cheeky or disrespectful I don't allow her to go. I don't like doing it as she cries for about an hour but but it scares me to think what she'll grow into if I just let bad behaviour go unpunished.

Parenting isn't easy... its a struggle sometimes, but I get pissed off by the molly-cuddling, nanny pamby culture we live in where kids have no respect because discipline is more or less frowned upon from parents, teachers, police etc.

[Visage]

Yeah good point, reminds me of that quote "those who criticise our generation forget who raised it"

Never heard that before, it's an excellent quote.

[Livia]

LOL... excellent. What a disrespectful little gromit his daughter is. If I'd spoken about my parents like that I'd probably still be grounded now. He's an example to parents of know-it-all, mouthy, lazy teenagers everywhere.

The only thing I have to say on the negative is that, with a .45 at that range, his grouping could have been a little tighter.

[Lee.]

LOL... excellent. What a disrespectful little gromit his daughter is. If I'd spoken about my parents like that I'd probably still be grounded now. He's an example to parents of know-it-all, mouth, lazy teenagers everywhere.

The only thing I have to say on the negative is that, with a .45 at that range, his grouping could have been a little tighter.
-is all of a sudden slightly wary of Livid-

:joker:

[Marc]

LOL... excellent. What a disrespectful little gromit his daughter is. If I'd spoken about my parents like that I'd probably still be grounded now. He's an example to parents of know-it-all, mouthy, lazy teenagers everywhere.

The only thing I have to say on the negative is that, with a .45 at that range, his grouping could have been a little tighter.

:laugh2:

[Jords]

I take it this is aimed at me. Your perspective on things change with your circumstances. At the moment I am living off my own money, by myself, in a foreign country, so I've grown up a lot and my views on my parents and my relationship with them is very different to the one I had before I moved away. I don't really appreciate the dig. It's not that I'm not willing to understand - it's that I'm far more understanding of the father now that I've been living my own life and have a better understanding of the value of money now that I live off the money I make.

You didnt need public humiliation or bullets in your laptop, nor does she. Its the process of growing up.

Nothing a month ban from the laptop and a month ban of 'parent transport' preventing her going out would start making her realize the value of luxuries and parents. This just inevitably builds-up a hidden resentment which she'll play it down to come across 'good' so nothing worsens, in a sort of threatened fear.

She may be saying to her dad, its k its just a laptop, but to her friends he will be a tosser. And he will be 1 for a long time. A month ban would make him a tosser for a month, and when shed get the laptop/parent transport back, hed be appreciated and she'll be telling her friends 'hes not a bad dad really' and she will have learned respect. Thats what good suitable discipline does.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

To be honest just shooting her laptop isn't harsh. Extreme parents would have done worst than shoot her laptop which anybody with a life shouldn't have much time to be on anyway.

Have you you guys seen this one ? :(


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[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

You didnt need public humiliation or bullets in your laptop, nor does she. Its the process of growing up.

Nothing a month ban from the laptop and a month ban of 'parent transport' preventing her going out would start making her realize the value of luxuries and parents. .
hmm not so sure. With todays kids the response to that would be "fine. just suspended, in a month ill do it again." it sort of how it was when he caught her doing again after the first time. Shooting makes it final and send the clear message, I aint playing gal!! Now she's going to go around thinking about her parents before she does stuff thinking, **** I can't afford not to be under their roof, if I do this what kind of punishment will they give me this time. I better be careful. Until I can make my own money and leave, i'll be good..

[Jack_]

To be honest just shooting her laptop isn't harsh. Extreme parents would have done worst than shoot her laptop which anybody with a life shouldn't have much time to be on anyway.

Have you you guys seen this one ? :(


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What morons (the parents that is).

[Jords]

Nah.. I don't think he would. He actuall comes across as quite a reasonable fella to me and he carried out her punishment in a calm and collected fashion.

I think punishing kids is all about "hitting them where it hurts" (i don't mean that literally) This dad has obviously tried other ways of punishing her before but has worked out that to destroy her laptop would get to her more than a grounding.

I've tried everything with my daughter from banning games consoles to naughty steps but nothing works. Eventually I realised how much she loves Brownies so if she's cheeky or disrespectful I don't allow her to go. I don't like doing it as she cries for about an hour but but it scares me to think what she'll grow into if I just let bad behaviour go unpunished.

Parenting isn't easy... its a struggle sometimes, but I get pissed off by the molly-cuddling, nanny pamby culture we live in where kids have no respect because discipline is more or less frowned upon from parents, teachers, police etc.

No thats really good! You didnt 'destroy' Brownies so she could never go in the foreseeable, but she will slowly learn she has to be good to be rewarded and be able to go every week or whatever.

All he had to do is take away that laptop for a month. Repeated offence another month. Again? Another month. She would soon learn especially when coursework comes up and she has to spend weekends in the libary if he refused to give it back even for work.

If every parent public himilated their children when they acted spoilt it wouldnt be a very nice world tbh

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

No thats really good! You didnt 'destroy' Brownies so she could never go in the foreseeable, but she will slowly learn she has to be good to be rewarded and be able to go every week or whatever.

All he had to do is take away that laptop for a month. Repeated offence another month. Again? Another month. She would soon learn especially when coursework comes up and she has to spend weekends in the libary if he refused to give it back even for work.

If every parent public himilated their children when they acted spoilt it wouldnt be a very nice world tbh

Because it's such a nice world already teehehee

[Jords]

hmm not so sure. With todays kids the response to that would be "fine. just suspended, in a month ill do it again." it sort of how it was when he caught her doing again after the first time. Shooting makes it final and send the clear message, I aint playing gal!! Now she's going to go around thinking about her parents before she does stuff thinking, **** I can't afford not to be under their roof, if I do this what kind of punishment will they give me this time. I better be careful. Until I can make my own money and leave, i'll be good..

imo to get the message really sunk in you have to give the opportunity of repeated offence. With severer punishment each time, 1 month ban, 2 month ban, 3 month ban (with banning of going out or something). She would soon learn. Theres no point taking away the opportunity because in the real world people are always presented with situations to act selfish and rude. They need to learn not to be in them scenarios.

[Jords]

Because it's such a nice world already teehehee

It could be worse :shrug:

[Ammi]

Nah.. I don't think he would. He actuall comes across as quite a reasonable fella to me and he carried out her punishment in a calm and collected fashion.

I think punishing kids is all about "hitting them where it hurts" (i don't mean that literally) This dad has obviously tried other ways of punishing her before but has worked out that to destroy her laptop would get to her more than a grounding.

I've tried everything with my daughter from banning games consoles to naughty steps but nothing works. Eventually I realised how much she loves Brownies so if she's cheeky or disrespectful I don't allow her to go. I don't like doing it as she cries for about an hour but but it scares me to think what she'll grow into if I just let bad behaviour go unpunished.

Parenting isn't easy... its a struggle sometimes, but I get pissed off by the molly-cuddling, nanny pamby culture we live in where kids have no respect because discipline is more or less frowned upon from parents, teachers, police etc.

Yes but locking the laptop in his gun cabinet indefinately would have equally 'hit her were it hurts'. I don't think this has anything to do with being unable or unwilling to discipline..that's a seperate issue, her parents bought her the stuff and then complain she is ungrateful...well duh! If I'd paid several hundred pounds for a laptop for my child, which I never have, I certainly wouldn't put a bullet in it...nor would I have sunk to her level of public sniping...he's just as immatue as her imo

[Lee.]

No thats really good! You didnt 'destroy' Brownies so she could never go in the foreseeable, but she will slowly learn she has to be good to be rewarded and be able to go every week or whatever.

All he had to do is take away that laptop for a month. Repeated offence another month. Again? Another month. She would soon learn especially when coursework comes up and she has to spend weekends in the libary if he refused to give it back even for work.

If every parent public himilated their children when they acted spoilt it wouldnt be a very nice world tbh
Wait till you're a parent yourself... kids can really push you to the limit. I have a feeling this guy has probably tried everything before. She may at least become a little more appreciative now and will maybe even go get herself a job to pay for a new laptop.

[Marc]

My god it's only a laptop. You can buy another one. And when she does she'll appreciate the meaning of money because right now she's clearly not.

[Jords]

Its not the laptop its the video. But of course shooting it was also lameeeeee

[Ammi]

Wait till you're a parent yourself... kids can really push you to the limit. I have a feeling this guy has probably tried everything before. She may at least become a little more appreciative now and will maybe even go get herself a job to pay for a new laptop.

I am a parent..of two grown up sons, mostly my OH worked away and teenage boys can be a nightmare. I'm lucky I still have hair on my head.....I still think he acted like a p*ick. I would have donated the laptop to a school or something...I wouldn't have a problem if she never got it back, if her behaviour is repeatedly bad. There's a much better way of denying her the laptop and achieving the same result

[Lee.]

Yes but locking the laptop in his gun cabinet indefinately would have equally 'hit her were it hurts'. I don't think this has anything to do with being unable or unwilling to discipline..that's a seperate issue, her parents bought her the stuff and then complain she is ungrateful...well duh! If I'd paid several hundred pounds for a laptop for my child, which I never have, I certainly wouldn't put a bullet in it...nor would I have sunk to her level of public sniping...he's just as immatue as her imo

I don't want to argue about this with you Ammi.. I like you too much :) However I have to say I thought what this guy did was brilliant! I know the gun thing deems really extreme, especially to us who don't own guns, but I have to say, I'll bet he's brought her down a peg or two.

[Ammi]

I don't want to argue about this with you Ammi.. I like you too much :) However I have to say I thought what this guy did was brilliant! I know the gun thing deems really extreme, especially to us who don't own guns, but I have to say, I'll bet he's brought her down a peg or two.

...Ha, I don't argue Lee..it's only different opinions...as I've said early on in the thread, I so wanted to support him myself as I totally relate to his frustrations...it's only his methods I think are wrong.

[Pyramid*]

You didnt need public humiliation or bullets in your laptop, nor does she. Its the process of growing up.

Nothing a month ban from the laptop and a month ban of 'parent transport' preventing her going out would start making her realize the value of luxuries and parents. This just inevitably builds-up a hidden resentment which she'll play it down to come across 'good' so nothing worsens, in a sort of threatened fear.

She may be saying to her dad, its k its just a laptop, but to her friends he will be a tosser. And he will be 1 for a long time. A month ban would make him a tosser for a month, and when shed get the laptop/parent transport back, hed be appreciated and she'll be telling her friends 'hes not a bad dad really' and she will have learned respect. Thats what good suitable discipline does.

I'm guessing Jords that you did not actually LISTEN to the father?

Perhaps go watch (and listen) to the father. It has completely bypassed your notice that he has already met out these type of punishments (and for longer than a month) and still she did not learn.

[Jords]

Persistence.


btw Im not saying shes not acting like a spoilt prat and being ungrateful. Clearly she is. But Im with Ammi his methods are ridiculous and contradicting.

Just imagine if YT was filled with parents publically humilating their children :o

[Lee.]

...Ha, I don't argue Lee..it's only different opinions...as I've said early on in the thread, I so wanted to support him myself as I totally relate to his frustrations...it's only his methods I think are wrong.

I've seen worse methods tbh... I don't think every parent agrees on discipline methods, but as long as they don't involve aggression or violence and they teach the kid a lesson, then I say go for it!

[Jords]

I've seen worse methods tbh... I don't think every parent agrees on discipline methods, but as long as they don't involve aggression or violence and they teach the kid a lesson, then I say go for it!

Shooting is aggression. Not on her but it might set an example that she can behave aggressive towards things and smash em up.

[Lee.]

Persistence.


btw Im not saying shes not acting like a spoilt prat and being ungrateful. Clearly she is. But Im with Ammi his methods are ridiculous and contradicting.

Just imagine if YT was filled with parents publically humilating their children :o

I remember being grounded as a teenager and climbing out my bedroom window so I could go hang out down the park... I'd only been there 5 mins when I saw my mum's car pull up.. she was yelling and literally hauled me to the car by the scruff of the neck. I was mortified/humiliated beyond belief! Was my mum wrong to embarrass me like that?

[Jack_]

At the end of the day, if you can't control and discipline your children, so much so that you have to resort to publicly humiliating them, then you are not fit to be a parent.

I'd have thought one of the basic understandings of being a parent would be to not humiliate your children, or allow them to be humiliated.

[Pyramid*]

Persistence.


btw Im not saying shes not acting like a spoilt prat and being ungrateful. Clearly she is. But Im with Ammi his methods are ridiculous and contradicting.

Just imagine if YT was filled with parents publically humilating their children :o

It would be hilarious - I'm all for that !!! Lol. :joker:

On a more serious note: Maybe it would shut half of their ungrateful gobby mouths from spouting off, when they have not a thing to moan about.

[Ammi]

I don't think I'll ever think that the methods he used were mature or good parenting...although he may have thought they were. It would be interesting to know if his daughter is a 'reformed' girl..if he will buy her another laptop in the future as a reward...he could have saved himself some money by just confiscating it. I don't think in general, it's a good thing to act in anger or frustration and for a parent it's even more important to take a deep breath and in his case, think more about his own contribution to her ungrateful behaviour. Others are going to feel differently and think he's a legend..c'est la vie....there's nothing left for me to say that I haven't already said, so I will leave this thread now...in case I'm tempted to put a bullet through my laptop

[Pyramid*]

At the end of the day, if you can't control and discipline your children, so much so that you have to resort to publicly humiliating them, then you are not fit to be a parent.

I'd have thought one of the basic understandings of being a parent would be to not humiliate your children, or allow them to be humiliated.

Now Jack, this is the opposite argument you used in another thread about teenagers: you stated very clearly in another thread discussing children having sex, that parents cannot be held responsible for them 24/7 - they cant be with the child every hour of the day to watch what they are doing or getting up to.

[Jords]

I remember being grounded as a teenager and climbing out my bedroom window so I could go hang out down the park... I'd only been there 5 mins when I saw my mum's car pull up.. she was yelling and literally hauled me to the car by the scruff of the neck. I was mortified/humiliated beyond belief! Was my mum wrong to embarrass me like that?

No because the scale was a lot smaller and her goal was to make you fulfil your punishment and learn. You sorta humilated yourself because you probably thought 'she might come get me...' and you still took that risk. This dad used humilation as 1 of her punishments for all her FB friends to see (including people she doesnt like and could rip right into her) and their parents. She didnt analyse your behaviour for loads of people to hear either.

[Jords]

It would be hilarious - I'm all for that !!! Lol. :joker:

On a more serious note: Maybe it would shut half of their ungrateful gobby mouths from spouting off, when they have not a thing to moan about.

Says more about you if youd get off to it soz Pyra!
Slightly sadistic.

I don't think I'll ever think that the methods he used were mature or good parenting...although he may have thought they were. It would be interesting to know if his daughter is a 'reformed' girl..if he will buy her another laptop in the future as a reward...he could have saved himself some money by just confiscating it. I don't think in general, it's a good thing to act in anger or frustration and for a parent it's even more important to take a deep breath and in his case, think more about his own contribution to her ungrateful behaviour. Others are going to feel differently and think he's a legend..c'est la vie....there's nothing left for me to say that I haven't already said, so I will leave this thread now...in case I'm tempted to put a bullet through my laptop

Im going to join you :joker:
Ive enjoyed debating it though.

[Jack_]

Now Jack, this is the opposite argument you used in another thread about teenagers: you stated very clearly in another thread discussing children having sex, that parents cannot be held responsible for them 24/7 - they cant be with the child every hour of the day to watch what they are doing or getting up to.

Perhaps I shouldn't have included the world control in my post then...seeing as really, there's nothing in this entire story that requires any 'control', it's just more disciplinary action.

But my point still stands. If you can't discipline your child without resorting to publicly humiliating them, you're not fit to be a parent.

[Ammi]

I remember being grounded as a teenager and climbing out my bedroom window so I could go hang out down the park... I'd only been there 5 mins when I saw my mum's car pull up.. she was yelling and literally hauled me to the car by the scruff of the neck. I was mortified/humiliated beyond belief! Was my mum wrong to embarrass me like that?

...my mum's done stuff similar to me too...it's funny...well now. If I for get the 'shooting' for a now....just telling your child how disappointed you are in her is, or was for me, the only 'kick' I would need...those words were like a dart through my heart....but if she had said it with an audience....It wouldn't have 'taught' me anything...I would have been destroyed

[Ammi]

Says more about you if youd get off to it soz Pyra!
Slightly sadistic.



Im going to join you :joker:
Ive enjoyed debating it though.

LOL....I would stay longer...but I think I'm going crosseyed

[Jack_]

...my mum's done stuff similar to me too...it's funny...well now. If I for get the 'shooting' for a now....just telling your child how disappointed you are in her is, or was for me, the only 'kick' I would need...those words were like a dart through my heart....but if she had said it with an audience....It wouldn't have 'taught' me anything...I would have been destroyed

I agree with this completely.

I always found that being told how I'd upset my mum by my mum herself made me think about my actions and behaviour, just as how being told I'd upset anyone would. Now if she'd done that in front of other people, i.e. intending to humiliate me, chances are I'd have ended up resenting her for days and weeks to come. There's a big difference.

[InOne]

inone thats an odd thing to say...care to elaborate?

Tell me what odd about it and I'll gladly elaborate

[Pyramid*]

Says more about you if youd get off to it soz Pyra!
Slightly sadistic.

.

It shows that I wouldn't put up with any shi*t like this from a teenage brat.

Perhaps I shouldn't have included the world control in my post then...seeing as really, there's nothing in this entire story that requires any 'control', it's just more disciplinary action.

But my point still stands. If you can't discipline your child without resorting to publicly humiliating them, you're not fit to be a parent.


The daughter was disciplined previously for doing the same thing and a less drastic measure didn't work: (as it clearly didn't) because many teenagers to still think they rule the roost and that their word is law - this time father did something that treated her the way she treated him, her mother and their lady friend. Let's her see how it feels when she has to take a dose of her own medicine....... as well as losing her priviledges.

More power to him.

[InOne]

anyone fancy a game of scrabble?:conf:

Only if you think you can handle it. I'm pretty good...

[Pyramid*]

for those of you who do not have FB.

Here's father's reply to a series of questions from the media



Media Response to Anita Li, from the Toronto Star

Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I’ll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You’ll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.

Your questions were:
Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?

A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it’s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people… originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.

Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?

A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn’t remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought “Well, I’ll just wait it out and I’ll get it back eventually.” Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won’t ever forget and it’ll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she’ll remember it and wish she hadn’t done what she did.

The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don’t give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it’s like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you’re young. Most of the things she has that are “cool” were bought or gifted that way. She’s always asked for very few things, but they’re always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That’s not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it’s not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)

She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she’s got parents. It’s not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she’ll NEVER leave it outside at night. She’ll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She’ll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.

Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She’s known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you’re too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I’m certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.

Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?

A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.

Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.

People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.

We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:

First: As her father, I’ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.

Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings

[Lee.]

for those of you who do not have FB.

Here's father's reply to a series of questions from the media



Media Response to Anita Li, from the Toronto Star

Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I’ll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You’ll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.

Your questions were:
Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?

A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it’s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people… originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.

Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?

A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn’t remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought “Well, I’ll just wait it out and I’ll get it back eventually.” Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won’t ever forget and it’ll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she’ll remember it and wish she hadn’t done what she did.

The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don’t give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it’s like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you’re young. Most of the things she has that are “cool” were bought or gifted that way. She’s always asked for very few things, but they’re always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That’s not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it’s not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)

She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she’s got parents. It’s not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she’ll NEVER leave it outside at night. She’ll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She’ll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.

Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She’s known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you’re too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I’m certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.

Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?

A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.

Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.

People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.

We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:

First: As her father, I’ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.

Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings



Still seems reasonable to me

[Angus]

TBH I would have handled it differently simply because public humiliation of a child to their peers is kind of irreversible and unforgiveable. I would have definitely confiscated the laptop/mobile/ipod or whatever and they would have had to have been "earned" back by additional chores etc. They would also have been grounded for a period of time.
I always disciplined my kids, but I never wanted to crush their spirit. I must have done something right, because they turned out great.

[Ammi]

TBH I would have handled it differently simply because public humiliation of a child to their peers is kind of irreversible and unforgiveable. I would have definitely confiscated the laptop/mobile/ipod or whatever and they would have had to have been "earned" back by additional chores etc. They would also have been grounded for a period of time.
I always disciplined my kids, but I never wanted to crush their spirit. I must have done something right, because they turned out great.

I agree with this Angus...it's a shame the father didn't perservere to find a way to comunicate and get through to her, which he obviously can, before he resorted to this. Of course, in the video as well as his replies to the media, we've only ever had his 'words' in this......maybe his daughter's locked in the cellar...*joke*

[Angus]

I agree with this Angus...it's a shame the father didn't perservere to find a way to comunicate and get through to her, which he obviously can, before he resorted to this. Of course, in the video as well as his replies to the media, we've only ever had his 'words' in this......maybe his daughter's locked in the cellar...*joke*

She's 15 - I bet she's gone into hiding. I know she's probably a spoiled brat, but I feel sorry for her. I imagine a lot of what she posted was just to try and impress, all teens go through that phase, it's a rite of passage. She will get a lot of stick from her so called "friends" on facebook as well as at school etc. That's some sh*t to deal with at that age.

[Jack_]

It shows that I wouldn't put up with any shi*t like this from a teenage brat.

And that in turn shows that you like humiliating people, and watching people being humiliated, especially children. Therefore from that, we can conclude that you are sadistic and most probably were or still are a bully, and probably condone such actions.

The daughter was disciplined previously for doing the same thing and a less drastic measure didn't work: (as it clearly didn't) because many teenagers to still think they rule the roost and that their word is law - this time father did something that treated her the way she treated him, her mother and their lady friend. Let's her see how it feels when she has to take a dose of her own medicine....... as well as losing her priviledges.

More power to him.

But you're missing the point - public humiliation, no matter what the circumstances, whether to two people or to two million, is unacceptable. The repercussions of such actions can turn out to be quite severe. As I have already pointed out, it can affect someone's self-esteem. If you advocate that and think that is an acceptable form of punishment, then as Jords says, it says more about you than it does anyone else.

[Pyramid*]

And that in turn shows that you like humiliating people, and watching people being humiliated, especially children. Therefore from that, we can conclude that you are sadistic and most probably were or still are a bully, and probably condone such actions.



But you're missing the point - public humiliation, no matter what the circumstances, whether to two people or to two million, is unacceptable. The repercussions of such actions can turn out to be quite severe. As I have already pointed out, it can affect someone's self-esteem. If you advocate that and think that is an acceptable form of punishment, then as Jords says, it says more about you than it does anyone else.

Given that you are one of the most rude, constantly patronising members on here who offers up personal insults almost in every single post, such a comment coming from you is hilarious!!! :joker:

I'm not missing any point Jack. I don't agree with you. Whether you like that or not isn't my problem, you will however have to accept that I don't agree with you.

[Ammi]

She's 15 - I bet she's gone into hiding. I know she's probably a spoiled brat, but I feel sorry for her. I imagine a lot of what she posted was just to try and impress, all teens go through that phase, it's a rite of passage. She will get a lot of stick from her so called "friends" on facebook as well as at school etc. That's some sh*t to deal with at that age.

Yes I know..and it's ok saying 'it's fine, it's sorted' but tbh...I don't think it's possible to say yet whether she'll be fine or not..if she is, that's great but I can't really accredit that to his actions. The whole thing sits uneasy with me. I'm sure she won't dare step out of line for a long time, she may be terrified of doing so and that will make him feel he did the right thing. I would worry that it wasn't only the laptop destroyed, it can be replaced...but her spirit too.

[Pyramid*]

Yes I know..and it's ok saying 'it's fine, it's sorted' but tbh...I don't think it's possible to say yet whether she'll be fine or not..if she is, that's great but I can't really accredit that to his actions. The whole thing sits uneasy with me. I'm sure she won't dare step out of line for a long time, she may be terrified of doing so and that will make him feel he did the right thing. I would worry that it wasn't only the laptop destroyed, it can be replaced...but her spirit too.


YOU..... Get out........ now.

:D

[Jack_]

Given that you are one of the most rude, constantly patronising members on here who offers up personal insults almost in every single post, such a comment coming from you is hilarious!!! :joker:

I disagree...but even so, that wouldn't be humiliating anyone anyway. If I were to humiliate someone I'd post personal information about them and then make fun, that's humiliating someone.

And let's be honest...you can hardly call anyone 'patronising'. Come on.

I'm not missing any point Jack. I don't agree with you. Whether you like that or not isn't my problem, you will however have to accept that I don't agree with you.

Yes you are.

Answer this question then - do you agree with people being publicly humiliated in front of millions of people?

[Kizzy]

toys are being projected from prams now, heres a newsflash kids dont like rules and being told what to do...wether its about when to have sex,or what ime to go to bed, or what constitutes as a marriage they will kick off about absoloutly anything. And parents are not born parents! its a learning curve some times you get it right and sometimes you get it spectacularly wrong ...suck it up kid haha

[Pyramid*]

I disagree...but even so, that wouldn't be humiliating anyone anyway. If I were to humiliate someone I'd post personal information about them and then make fun, that's humiliating someone.

And let's be honest...you can hardly call anyone 'patronising'. Come on.



Yes you are.

Answer this question then - do you agree with people being publicly humiliated in front of millions of people?

You cannot post on any thread without offering up personal insults - that is a form of bullying. It is a form of attempting to mock, berate and humiliate - whether you acknoweldge your own behaviour as being that or not - the reality is: that is what it is.

The daughter felt it was appropriate, the father gave her a taste of her own medicine. I do not see the problem.